Béatrice DE MONTFERRAT-DE BABENBERG

• Preferred Name: Béatrice DE MONTFERRAT-DE BABENBERG^{[1] [2] [3]}
  
• Alternate Name: D'ALBON
  
• Alternate Name: Albon
  
• Gender: F
  
• http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Countess of Albon and Grenoble
  
• FSID: G9Y4-YFV
  
• Nickname:
  
• Birth: 1142 in Montferrato, Asti, Piedmont, Italy at LATI: N4.9521 LONG: E0.2074 with note: GEDCOM data
  
• Death: ABT 1228 in Grenoble, Isère, Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes, France at LATI: N5.0833 LONG: E0.8333 with note:
  
• Burial: in Grenoble, Isère, Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes, France at LATI: N5.0833 LONG: E0.8333 with note: inhumée dans la cathédrale Notre-Dame de Grenoble
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  geni.com
  
  Beatrice Aleramici, del Monferrato
  Also Known As: "La Dama del Monferrato", "Bel Cavaller"
  Birthdate: circa 1142
  Birthplace: Parodi Ligure, Piedmont, Italy
  Death: 1228 (81-90)
  France
  Place of Burial: Notre Dame, Grenoble, Isere, Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes, France
  Immediate Family:
  Daughter of William V Aleramici, "the Old" marquess of Montferrat and Judith of Babenberg
  
  Wife of Guigues V Dauphin, comte d'Albon et de Grenoble; marchese Enrico I del Vasto, "il Guercio" de Carreto and Alberto Malaspina, il Moro
  
  Mother of Alix (D'Aubergne) du Puy, Princess Dauphine; Beatrice d'Albon, Dauphine du Viennois, comtesse d'Albon & du Grésivaudan; Maria de Vienne; Marquise d'Albon; Enrico II del Carretto, marchese di Savona; Ottone del Carretto, marquis of Dego & Roccaverano; Bonifacio del Carretto, vescovo; Isabella del Carretto; Ambrogio del Carretto, bishop of Savona and Caracosa di Gavi « less
  Sister of William "Longsword" of Montferrat, count of Jaffa & Ascalon; Conrad I de Montferrat, king of Jerusalem; Boniface I, marquess of Montferrat, 1st king of Thessalonica; Agnes Guidi, of Montferrat; Alasia Aleramici, del Monferrato; Caesar Renier Aleramici, of Montferrat and Frederick Aleramic of Montferrat, bishop of Alba « less
  
  Mariage ([1155]) avec Guigues VII d'Albon
  Béatrix, fille de --- (- bur Notre-Dame de Grenoble). L'épouse de Guigues VII est nommée Beatrix dans les sources secondaires mais la source principale qui confirme que c'est correct n'a pas encore été identifiée. Son origine a fait l'objet d'une controverse considérable. La Vita Margaritæ Albonensis comitissæ rapporte que le fils de Marguerite de Viennois a épousé " Imperatore… consanguineam " [1] .
  L' Aymari Rivalli De Allobrogibus enregistre que « Guigo tertius » a épousé « neptem… primi Federici imperatoris » [2] .
  L' histoire de Dauphiné de Chorier la nomme Beatrice di Monferrato, fille de Guglielmo V Marchese di Monferrato et de son épouse Judith d'Autriche, déclarant que sa filiation est confirmée par des lettres de l'empereur Friedrich I, datées de 1168, adressées à " Guigoni Dalphino " qui la qualifient de " filia Guillelmi comitis Montisferrati " [3 ] . Ce document n'a pas été trouvé lors d'une recherche dans la compilation MGH des diplômes de l'empereur Friedrich. Usseglio suggère que l'hypothèse de Chorier est basée sur une interprétation erronée d'une charte de l'empereur Friedrich II, datée du 12 mars, qui est adressée à " Beatricis filiæ quondam Guillelmi Marchionis Montisferrati " (qui était la fille de Guglielmo VI Marchese di Monferrato, et veuve de Dauphin André),[4] .
  Les liens familiaux de l'empereur Friedrich I sont si nombreux qu'il ne semble pas utile de spéculer sur la filiation correcte de Beatrix. SelonEuropäische Stammtafeln [5] , Béatrice a épousé deuxièmementEnrico Marchese di Caretto. Cependant, la seule source primaire qui suggèrece second mariage semble être la fin13ème / 14ème siècleVidadu poète Raimbaut de Vaqueiras qui la décrit comme sœur de Bonifazio Marchese di Monferrato etqu'elleépousé «Enric del Caret» [6] .
  Cependant, Raimbaut de Vaqueiras lui-même l'appelle "filha del marques" dans le célèbre 'Carros', 'Truan, mala guerra», composée en [1200/01], qui souligne sa jeunesse [7] , qui semble suggérer que la Béatrice en question devait être la fille et non la sœur de Marchese Bonifazio. Un mariage avec Dauphin Guigues serait donc chronologiquement impossible. Guigues VII et sa femme ont eu deux enfants.
  
  Sources :
  [1] Ex vita Margaritæ Albonensis comitissæ, RHGF XIV, p. 428.
  [2] De AllobrogibusVIII, p. 422.
  [3] Chorier Histoire de DauphinéTome I, p. 616 (qui ne cite pas la source).
  [4] Usseglio (1926), vol. I, pp. 167-9, citantMonumenta Aquensia, Pars II, cols. 529 et 570, informations fournies par le Dr Marianne Gilchrist dans un e-mail privé à l'auteur daté du 9 août 2008.
  [5] ES III 738.
  [6] Linskill (1964), pp. 67-9, informations fournies par le Dr Marianne Gilchrist dans un e-mail privé à l'auteur daté du 10 février 2007.
  [7] Linskill (1964), n ° XVIII, pp. 204-15, informations fournies par le Dr Marianne Gilchrist dans un courrier électronique privé à l'auteur daté du 10 février 2007.
  
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  Peter Stewart in the following posting suggests that Beatrix de Monferrat was not a daughter of William (Guillermo) de Monferrat and Judith von Babenburg:From: Peter.Stewart@crsrehab.gov.au ("Stewart, Peter")Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medievalSubject: RE: MontferratDate: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 03:26:55 +0000 (UTC)I think Tom was perhaps asking about the Beatrice who married Guigues V d'Albon, last male ruler of his line, becoming maternal grandmother to the first Burgundian Guigues d'Albon whose (third?) wife, Beatrice de Montferrat, Sally mentioned.This earlier Beatrice is often named "de Montferrat" too, but actually that was her mother's family. Her father was Alberto di Parodi, margrave of Gavi & her mother was Matilda de Montferrat. She married firstly ca 1155 Guigues V, dauphin of Viennois & count of Albon (died in July 1162) and secondly of Enrico, marquis of Caretto.Her daughter was another Beatrix, sometimes called la grande daupine (died 15 December 1228), who married first before 1179 Albéric Taillefer, count of Saint-Gilles (died ca 1183); secondly in September 1183 (as his second wife) Hugues III, duke of Burgundy (died on crusade at Acre 25 August 1192) by whom she was ancestress of the later dauphins, including her son whom Sally had in mind; and thirdly in 1193 Hugues I, seigneur of Coligny-le-Neuf (died September 1205).Peter StewartHowever, he does not say how he had arrived at this discovery. In searching on Rootsweb the following entry was discovered in the file 'zella' (Kathie Weigel
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  === BETHAMIS GENEALOGICAL TABLES (GS NUMBER ===
  BETHAMIS GENEALOGICAL TABLES (GS NUMBER ESQ929.2 B465C) TAB 283, 573;THE PLANTAGENET ANCESTRY (GS NUMBER Q940 D2T) P.61, 110, 177;
  
  === M L Call: Cht 11953 ===
  M L Call: Cht 11953
  
  === PED OF AUGUSTINE H. AYERS ===
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  === == Biography == ===
  == Biography ==
  
  === Name ===
  : Also called Beatrice of Montferrat.
  === Birth ===
  :: ABT 1140
  
  
  
  === From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 5 J ===
  From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 5 JAN 1998.
  
  === Still Living. ===
  Still Living.
  
  === !NOTE: The Church of Jesus Christ of Lat ===
  !NOTE: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Ancestral File (TM); ; June 1998 (c), data as of 5 JAN 1998; ; , Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, UT 84150 USA
  
  === Dame de Saint-Bonnet. ===
  Dame de Saint-Bonnet.

• m. 1155

1. Beatrice d'Albon Dauphine du Viennos Comtesse d'Albon du Gresivaudan-DE MONTFERRAT, b. 29 DEC 1162 in Vizille, Isère, Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes, France     d. 15 DEC 1228 in Vizille, Isère, Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes, France

• m. ABT 1160 in Italy

1. Title: Foundation for Medieval Genealogy - [BEATRICE (-bur Notre Dame de Grenoble)
   Author: FMG Projects/MedLands
   Publication: Name: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MONFERRATO,%20SALUZZO,%20SAVONA.htm#BeatriceMonferratoMEnricoICarrettoSavona;
   Note: 2. [BEATRICE (-bur Notre Dame de Grenoble). Marchese Guglielmo´s supposed daughter Beatrice is shown in many secondary sources but it is possible that she never existed. The wife of Dauphin Guigues [VII] is named Beatrix in secondary sources but the primary source which confirms that this is correct has not yet been identified. Her origin has been the subject of considerable controversy. The Vita Margaritæ Albonensis comitissæ records that the son of Marguerite de Viennois married "Imperatore…consanguineam"[108]. The Aymari Rivalli De Allobrogibus records that "Guigo tertius" married "neptem…primi Federici imperatoris"[109]. Chorier´s Histoire de Dauphiné names her Beatrice, daughter of Guglielmo V Marchese di Monferrato & his wife Judith of Austria, stating that her parentage is confirmed by letters from Emperor Friedrich I, dated 1168, addressed to "Guigoni Dalphino" which refer to her as "filia Guillelmi comitis Montisferrati"[110]. This document has not been found in a search of the MGH compilation of diplomas of Emperor Friedrich. Usseglio suggests that Chorier´s hypothesis is based on a misinterpretation of a charter of Emperor Friedrich II, dated Mar 1238, which is addressed to "Beatricis filiæ quondam Guillelmi Marchionis Montisferrati" (who was the daughter of Guglielmo VI Marchese di Monferrato, and widow of Dauphin André), and confirms privileges granted to Dauphin Guigues [VII] in 1155[111]. According to Europäische Stammtafeln[112], Beatrice married secondly Enrico Marchese di Caretto. However, the only primary source which suggests this second marriage appears to be the late 13th/14th century Vida of the poet Raimbaut de Vaqueiras which describes her as sister of Bonifazio Marchese di Monferrato and states that she married "Enric del Caret"[113]. However, Raimbaut de Vaqueiras himself calls her "filha del marques" in the famous 'Carros', 'Truan, mala guerra', composed in [1200/01], which emphasises her youth[114], which seems to suggest that the Beatrice in question must have been the daughter not sister of Marchese Bonifazio. A marriage with Dauphin Guigues would therefore be chronologically impossible. m [firstly] ([1155]) GUIGUES [VII] Dauphin de Viennois Comte d'Albon, son of GUIGUES [VI] Dauphin de Viennois & his wife Clémence [Marguerite] de Mâcon [Bourgogne-Comté] (-Château de Vizille 29 Jul 1162, bur Notre Dame de Grenoble). [m secondly ENRICO [I] del Carretto Marchese di Finale "il Guercio", son of BONIFAZIO Marchese del Vasto & his wife Agnès de Vermandois (Clavesana [1115]-Finale 1184).]
   Page: Source record for [BEATRICE (-bur Notre Dame de Grenoble).
   
2. Title: Nobiliaire burgondie albon
   Publication: Name: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkvien.htm#Marquisedied1196;
   
3. Title: Beatrice del Monferrato - Wikipedia
   Publication: Name: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatrice_del_Monferrato;