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Ida von Braunschweig Of Elsdorf



Preferred Parents:
Father: Liudolf Of Brunswick Margrave Of Frisia, b. 16 JUL 1003 in Braunschweig, Niedersachsen, Deutschland   d. 23 APR 1038 in Braunschweig, Niedersachsen, Deutschland
Mother: Gertrude von Eguisheim, b. ABT 998 in Schwaben, Kelhein, Bayern   d. 21 JUL 1077 in Braunschweig, Niedersachsen, Deutschland

Family 1: Leopold von Babenberg,    b. 1025 in Of, Melk, Niederoesterreich, Austria    d. 9 DEC 1073 in Ingelheim, Ingelheim am Rhein, Mainz-Bingen, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany
Family 2: Etheler Graf in Dithmarschen,    b. 1005 in Chernihiv, Chernihivs'ka oblast Ukraine    d. 1059
  1. Richenza von Dithmarschen, b. 1044 in Dithmarschen, Dithmarschen, Schleswig, Deutschland     d. 1134 in Oldenburg, Niedersachsen, Deutschland
  2. Iaroslav Rurikides,     d. 1129 in Europe
  3. Cecilia von Dithmarschen, b. 1023 in Novgorod, Alexandrovsk, Yekaterinoslav, Russian Empire     d. 1060 in Novgorod, Novgorod, Russia, Soviet Union
Sources:
  1. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Ida Brunswick Countess -
    Author: Ancestral File (R), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Copyright (c) 1987, June 1998, data as of 5 January 1998, Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, Utah 84150 USA
    Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2030203070
  2. Title: Ancestry Family Trees
    Author: Database online.
    Publication: Name: https://search.ancestry.de/collections/1030/records/12599000217;
  3. Title: Ancestry Family Trees
    Author: Database online.
    Publication: Name: https://search.ancestry.de/collections/1030/records/-1732929515;
  4. Title: Ancestry Family Trees
    Author: Database online.
    Publication: Name: https://search.ancestry.de/collections/1030/records/42289184790;
  5. Title: Ancestry Family Trees
    Author: Database online.
    Publication: Name: https://search.ancestry.de/collections/1030/records/-1591826180;
  6. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Ida Brunswick Countess -
    Author: Ancestral File (R), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Copyright (c) 1987, June 1998, data as of 5 January 1998, Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, Utah 84150 USA
    Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2676700743
  7. Title: Ancestry Family Trees
    Author: Database online.
    Publication: Name: https://search.ancestry.de/collections/1030/records/5019975822;
  8. Title: Ancestry Family Trees
    Author: Database online.
    Publication: Name: https://search.ancestry.de/collections/1030/records/-1808237522;
  9. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Mrs- Etheler Dithmarschen -
    Author: Ancestral File (TM), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, June 1998 (c), data as of 5 JAN 1998, Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, UT 84150 USA
    Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:3243695014
  10. Title: Ancestry Family Trees
    Author: Database online.
    Publication: Name: https://search.ancestry.de/collections/1030/records/-1732929515;
  11. Title: Wikipedia
    Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gertrude_the_Elder_of_Brunswick;
  12. Title: Ancestry Family Trees
    Author: Database online.
    Publication: Name: https://search.ancestry.de/collections/1030/records/-992147382;
  13. Title: Ancestry Family Trees
    Author: Database online.
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  14. Title: Ancestry Family Trees
    Author: Database online.
    Publication: Name: https://search.ancestry.de/collections/1030/records/1625161401;
  15. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Ida Countess Of Brunswick -
    Author: Ancestral File (TM), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, June 1998 (c), data as of 5 JAN 1998, Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, UT 84150 USA
    Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:3243695014
  16. Title: Web: Niederlande, GenealogieOnline Stammbaumindex, 1000-2015
    Publication: Name: https://www.genealogieonline.nl/en/stamboom-petra-limburg/P13130.php;
  17. Title: Ancestry Family Trees
    Author: Ancestry Family Tree
  18. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Countess Ida of Stade -
    Author: Ancestral File (TM), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, June 1998 (c), data as of 5 JAN 1998
    Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2737222797
  19. Title: Foundation for Medieval Genealogy
    Publication: Name: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BRUNSWICK.htm#IdaMLiutpoldOstmark;
    Note: [IDA "von Elstorf" (-before 4 May 1082). The Annales Stadenses name "Ida nobilis femina de Suevia nata, in villa Elsthorpe" as "filia fratris imp. Heinrici III, filia quoque sororis Leonis papa qui et Bruno"[33]. It is probable that “fratris imp. Heinrici III” was Liudolf von Braunschweig, the only known [half-]brother of Emperor Heinrich III whose wife is not otherwise recorded in other primary sources. If that is correct, the reference to Ida’s Swabian origin (“de Suevia nata”) is difficult to explain, unless it was intended to indicate the Alsacian origin of her maternal family. Dobertin considers it “credible” (“glaubhaft”) that Ida was the step-daughter, rather than daughter, of Liudolf[34]. However, the need to add the phrase “filia fratris imp. Heinrici III” in the Annales Stadenses is not obvious if this statement was factually incorrect. In any case, the chronology is not ideal for Ida to have been born from either an otherwise unrecorded earlier or later marriage of her mother: in the case of an earlier marriage, Ida would have been old to have given birth to [three] children by her second/third husband, and if a later marriage the chronology appears tight for her to have had two children by her first husband (assuming that his death is correctly dated as shown below). Elstorf is located west of Hamburg near Buxtehude, south-east of Stade. No other reference has been found in primary sources to Elstorf being linked to any medieval noble family. The significance of “von Elstorf” in this extract from the Annales Stadenses has not been ascertained. In particular it is not known whether it represents property inherited by Ida from either her paternal or maternal family or from one of her husbands. After her death, Ida’s properties passed to the family of the Grafen von Stade (see the document SAXONY NOBILITY) under unusual circumstances as will be explained. The Annales Stadenses records that Ida [von Elstorf] had "filium Ecbertum comitem" who was killed by "primus Udo marchio...cognatus suus" at “Wistede prope Elstorpe”, adding that Ida found herself without heirs (“orbata heredibus”), visited “avunculum suum papam Leonem” (therefore before Apr 1054), and following his recommendation adopted “ipsum Udonem” as her son and appointed him as her heir (listing properties which she granted him during her lifetime), a later passage clarifying that “predictum Udonem marchionem primum” was Ida’s successor after she died (“Ida ergo mortua...”)[35]. This text presents chronological difficulties. A literal interpretation of “primus Udo marchio” would indicate Lothar Udo [II] Graf von Stade, who succeeded as Markgraf der Nordmark in 1056 and died the following year so could not have been appointed by Ida as her heir. Presumably therefore his son Lothar Udo [III], who succeeded his father as Lothar Udo II Markgraf der Nordmark and died in 1082, was intended. However, that interpretation is inconsistent with Ida von Elstorf taking advice from her uncle Pope Leo IX (who died in Apr 1054). That part of the report must be factually incorrect, the only safe conclusion being that Ekbert predeceased his mother some time before 1082. This passage in the Annales Stadenses specifies that Ida predeceased Markgraf Lothar Udo, therefore died before 4 May 1082.] m firstly LUITPOLD Graf von Stade, son of --- & his wife Glismode --- (-[before 1055]). The Annales Stadenses name "Lippoldo filio domine Glismodis" as husband of "Ida [de Elsthorpe]", specifying that they were parents of "Odam sanctimonialem de Rinthelen"[36]. He is identified in Europäischen Stammtafeln[37] as Liutpold der Ostmark, son of Adalbert "der Siegreiche" Markgraf der Ostmark [of Austria] & his first wife --- (-Ingelheim 9 Dec 1043, bur Trier)[38]. Presumably this is based firstly on the Annales Stadenses which name "Lippoldo filio domine Glismodis" as husband of "Ida [de Elsthorpe]"[39], and secondly on the Vita Meinwerci which names "Thiedericum, Meinwercum, Glismod et Azelam" as children of Immed & Athela, specifying that Glismod married "nobilis principis in Baioaria"[40], although there is no evidence linking the second with the first. The fact that Ida von Elstorf had children by her first husband, if correct, also indicates that that this co-identity cannot be right[41]. m secondly ([1055]) DEDO Graf von Dietmarschen, son of ---. The Annales Stadenses name "comitem Dedonem et comitem Ethelerum Album" as the two husbands of Ida after "Lippoldo filio domiine Glismodis", specifying that both were killed "in Thietmarschia"[42]. m thirdly ([1058]) ETHELER Graf von Dietmarschen, son of ---. The Annales Stadenses name "comitem Dedonem et comitem Ethelerum Album" as the two husbands of Ida after "Lippoldo filio domiine Glismodis", specifying that both were killed "in Thietmarschia"[43]. Ida & her [second/third] husband had [three] children: i) RICHEZA (-1108 or after). The Annales Stadenses name "Rikencem" as the daughter of Ida by her second or third husband, specifying that she married "comes Eilmarus de Aldenburg"[44]. "Eigilmarus comes in confinio Saxonie et Frisie…et…eius coniuge Richeza" promised donations to Aldenburg St Marie in Iburg, with the consent of "duobus eorum filiis Christino…et Egilmaro necnon et filia Gertrude" by charter dated 1108[45]. m EGILMAR [I] Graf von Oldenburg, son of --- (-1108 or after). ii) BURCHARD . The Annales Stadenses name "Burchardus, Treverensis maior prepositus" as son of Ida, without specifying by which husband, specifying he was later elected archbishop (without specifying the archbishopric)[46]. The Annales Sancti Diibodi record that "Hermannus de Winzenburg" killed "Burchardum de Lochenheim" in 1130[47]. iii) [daughter . Baumgarten refers to the marriage of "[Kilikia] de Dithmarschen, fille du Comte Etheler" and Sviatoslav II Grand Prince of Kiev, adding that she was a different person from "Oda von Stade" who married Sviatoslav´s brother Vladimir and whom he identifies as Ida von Elstorf’s daughter by her first marriage (see the document SAXONY)[48]. The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not been identified. m SVIATOSLAV Iaroslavich, son of IAROSLAV I "Mudriy/the Wise" Grand Prince of Kiev & his [second] wife Ingigerd Olafsdottir of Sweden (1027-27 Dec 1076, bur Chernigov, Church of the Redeemer).]
  20. Title: Ancestry Family Trees
    Author: Database online.
    Publication: Name: https://search.ancestry.de/collections/1030/records/-1591826180;

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