Guigues d'Albon III "Le Vieux" , vetus

• Preferred Name: Guigues d'Albon III "Le Vieux" , vetus^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]}
  
• Alternate Name: Guiques II Domnus Sire de Vion
  
• Alternate Name: Domnus Guigues Ii De Vion Sire
  
• Alternate Name: Guigues II Albon
  
• Alternate Name: Guigo Sire de Vion II
  
• Alternate Name: Domnus Guiges II Sire de Vion ®64
  
• Alternate Name: Domnus Guigues of Vion II
  
• Alternate Name: Domnus Guigues d'Albon II
  
• Alternate Name: Sire De Vion Guigues Ii II
  
• Alternate Name: DOMNUS GUIGUES II Sire of Vion
  
• Alternate Name: Domnus Guigues II Vion
  
• Alternate Name: Seigneur de Vion Guigues II Domnus
  
• Alternate Name: Domnus Guigues Seigneur Of Vion II
  
• Alternate Name: Guigo De Vion II
  
• Alternate Name: Domnus Guigues
  
• Alternate Name: Domnus Guisnes II van Vion
  
• Alternate Name: Domnus Guiges II Sire de Vion
  
• Alternate Name: Guiques De Sire Vion
  
• Alternate Name: Domnus Guisnes de Vion
  
• Alternate Name: Domnus Guigues Vion
  
• Alternate Name: Domnus Guigues II Sire de Vion
  
• Alternate Name: Domnus Guisnes de Vion
  
• Alternate Name: Guigues de Vion Sire II
  
• Gender: M
  
• Occupation: Comte d'Albon(26) et Grenoble(38)
  
• Birth: ABT 1001 in Saint-Rambert-d'Albon, Drôme, Rhône-Alpes, France at LATI: N5.2908 LONG: E0.8142
  
• Temple+Ordinances: with note: Description: Completed
  
• Alt.+Birth: 1001 in St Rambert, D'Albine, Isere, Rhoner-Alpes, France at LATI: N5.1667 LONG: E0.8333
  
• Burial: APR 1075 in Cluny, Saône-et-Loire, Burgundy, France at LATI: N6.453 LONG: E0.6286
  
• FSID: G95D-VPB
  
• Death: 22 APR 1075 in Cluny, Saône-et-Loire, Bourgogne-Franche-Comté, France at LATI: N6.453 LONG: E0.6286
  
• Alt.+Birth: 1001 in Saint-Rambert-d'Albon, Drôme, Rhône-Alpes, France at LATI: N5.2908 LONG: E0.8142
  
• http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Sire
  
• MilitaryService: Comte d'Albon (cerca 1075 - 9 de Janeiro de 1106), Comte de Grenoble (cerca 1075 - 9 de Janeiro de 1106), Seigneur de Chevrières , Seigneur de Clérieux , Seigneur de Moras , Seigneur de Serves , Seigneur de Vals , Seigneur de Cornillon , Seigneur d'Uriol , Seigneur de Varces , Seigneur de Briançon
  
• NFS ID: with note: Description: LHKP-TPX NFS
  
• http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Comte d'Albon (cerca 1035-cerca 1075), Moine (cerca 1075
  
• http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: comte d'Albon
  
• http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Count Of Grecivodan and Briancon1070
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  geni.com
  
  Guigues d'Albon
  Also Known As: "Guigues Vetus d'Albon", "Guigues Veteris d'Albon", "Vetus", "Vieux d'Albon"
  Birthdate: before 1020
  Death: circa April 22, 1075
  Cluny, Saône-et-Loire, Burgundy, France
  Immediate Family:
  Son of Guigues d'Albon and Gothelène de Clerieu
  Husband of Adelaide (Alix) d'Albon and Inès de Barcelone, comtesse consort d'Albon
  Father of Adélaïde d'Albon; Humbert d'Albon, bishop of Grenoble; Guigues II d'Albon, "Pinguis" and Guigues Raymond, comte d'Albon
  Brother of Humbert d'Albon, bishop of Valence
  Occupation: Comte 1034, prince de Graisivaudan
  
  Guigues I (born c. 1000, died in 1070 at Cluny), was Count of Oisans, Grésivaudan, and Briançonnais. He was the son of Guigues d'Albon and Gotelana de Clérieux.
  
  Biography Edit
  
  The official history written by George de Manteyer has caused him to be known as the first Dauphin of Viennois, despite this designation only appearing a century later. Guiges was an ambitious minor noble who extended his domain between the Rhone and the Alps. In 1016, he is called "count" in a charter concerning his possessions in Moirans. Thereafter, he was a landowner in Champsaur (1027), in Oisans with the title of count (1035), Grésivaudan (around 1050), Briançonnais (around 1053), and in the valley of Oulx (1070).
  
  From 1035, he was always dignified with the title of "count". It is not known how Guigues took possession of the lands, but his power enabled him to install family members as bishop. Guy's uncle de Guigues was bishop of Grenoble, and succeeded Isarn. The episcopate then passed to a cousin, Mallen. His brother was bishop of Valence and the archbishop's palace at Vienne, attached to the most prestigious church of the province, was in the hands of a cousin by marriage.
  
  He married Adelaide, who seems to be of the family of the counts de Turin, and had a son, Guigues II (1025–1079), who succeeded him. His elder son, Humbert, was dedicated to becoming bishop.
  
  At the end of his life, Guigues retired to Cluny in Burgundy where he died in 1070.
  
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  Guigues I of Albon
  Male
  1000 – 22 April 1070
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  Added: 12 December 2020
  Guigue I "The Old" Count Of Albon
  Male
  about 1001 – 22 April 1075
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  Added: 29 April 2019
  Life Sketch
  Life Sketch
  Life Sketch
  Guigues I st of Albon said the Elder (Veteris), born about 1000, died April 22, 10701 in Cluny, was count in Oisans, Grésivaudan and Briançonnais, as well as in the valley of Oulx, territories located in the Alps (the first correspond to territories located in thecurrent French Alps, the last is in the current Italian Alps). Count of Albon, he is one of the ancestors of the future dolphins of Viennese.
  
  «b»Biography«/b»
  He was the son of a Guigues d'Albon and a Gotelana (or Gotelene, or Gotelinde) of Clerieux .
  
  The "official" story of the French historian Georges de Manteyer had made it the first Dauphin , even if that name only appears a century later.
  
  Some recent historical research now make him an ambitious man who extends his domain between the Rhone and alpine passes: as early as 1016, he calls himself a count in a charter concerning property he owns in Moirans. Subsequently, it is discovered owner in Champsaur (1027), in Oisans with the title of count (1035), Grésivaudan (towards 1050), Briançonnais (towards 1053) and in valley of Oulx (1070). From 1035his dignity is always associated with him.
  
  It is not known how the Guigues took possession of these lands, but their nascent power already allows them to impose their family members as bishops, and thus to plunder and alienate church property for their benefit: uncle de Guigues is bishop of Grenoble and succeeds Bishop Isarn. The episcopate will then pass to his cousin Mallen. His brother is bishop of Valencia and the archdiocese of Vienna, charge of the most prestigious church of the province, is in the hands of a cousin by marriage.
  
  Throughout the xi th century, it is always the eldest son, named Humbert, who is destined to become a bishop; the second son, always named Guigues, is him destined to inherit the property lay. Mallen is probably the one who systematized the transfer of church property to his cousin Guigues.
  
  The other lay lords do not seem able to oppose Guigues' expansion policy. At the end of his life, Guigues retired to Burgundy , to Cluny, where he died in 1070 .
  
  «b»Marriage and descent«/b»
  He married Adélaïde de Turin, perhaps Count Humbert's daughter "aux Blanches Mains" (also called Humbert de Maurienne or Humbert I of Savoy); they had a son, Guigues II , who will succeed his father.
  
  geni.com
  
  Guigues d'Albon
  Also Known As: "Guigues Vetus d'Albon", "Guigues Veteris d'Albon", "Vetus", "Vieux d'Albon"
  Birthdate: before 1020
  Death: circa April 22, 1075
  Cluny, Saône-et-Loire, Burgundy, France
  Immediate Family:
  Son of Guigues d'Albon and Gothelène de Clerieu
  Husband of Adelaide (Alix) d'Albon and Inès de Barcelone, comtesse consort d'Albon
  Father of Adélaïde d'Albon; Humbert d'Albon, bishop of Grenoble; Guigues II d'Albon, "Pinguis" and Guigues Raymond, comte d'Albon
  Brother of Humbert d'Albon, bishop of Valence
  
  Occupation: Comte 1034, prince de Graisivaudan
  
  BIO
  BIO: Count of Albon and Grenoble, 1063-1080; Sire de Vion. Witnessed a charter with his brother Humbert, 20 Aug 1034.
  
  ** from http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BURGUNDY%20Kingdom.htm#Mathildedied1145
  
  BIO
  BIO: from http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BURGUNDY%20Kingdom.htm#GuiguesIdied1075B as of 3/16/2016
  
  GUIGUES [III] "Vetus/Vieux", son of GUIGUES [II] & his wife [Gotelene ---] ([995/1000]-Cluny 22 Apr
  
  Blasonnement
  De sable à la croix d'or
  
  === Sources: RC 196; Kreantzler 1185, 1187. ===
  Sources: RC 196; Kreantzler 1185, 1187. RC: Guigues VI, Count of Albon and Grenoble, Sire de Vion. Died amonk. K-1185: Guigues III, Count d'Albon and Grenoble, Dauphin de Viennois. K-1187: Guigues II, "le Vieux," Count d'Albon.
  
  === Sources: RC 196; Kraentzler 1187.. RC: G ===
  Sources: RC 196; Kraentzler 1187.. RC: Guigues V, Count of Albon, with the territory around Grenoble;Sire de Vion. K: Guigues II, Count d'Arlon (sic).
  
  === Guigues d' ALBON 1er du nom dit "le Viei ===
  Guigues d' ALBON 1er du nom dit "le Vieil + ca 1063
  
  === !#552-v3-t732; ===
  !#552-v3-t732;
  
  === BETHAMIS GENEALOGICAL TABLES (GS NUMBER ===
  BETHAMIS GENEALOGICAL TABLES (GS NUMBER Q929.2 B465G) TAB 573; NOTE:BETHAMIS GENEALOGICAL TABLES LISTS HIS FATHER AS A RUDOLPH;
  
  === facts ===
  Guigues I (born c. 1000, died in 1070 at Cluny), was Count of Oisans, Grésivaudan, and Briançonnais. He was the son of Guigues d'Albon and Gotelana de Clérieux.
  
  Biography Edit
  
  The official history written by George de Manteyer has caused him to be known as the first Dauphin of Viennois, despite this designation only appearing a century later. Guiges was an ambitious minor noble who extended his domain between the Rhone and the Alps. In 1016, he is called "count" in a charter concerning his possessions in Moirans. Thereafter, he was a landowner in Champsaur (1027), in Oisans with the title of count (1035), Grésivaudan (around 1050), Briançonnais (around 1053), and in the valley of Oulx (1070).
  
  From 1035, he was always dignified with the title of "count". It is not known how Guigues took possession of the lands, but his power enabled him to install family members as bishop. Guy's uncle de Guigues was bishop of Grenoble, and succeeded Isarn. The episcopate then passed to a cousin, Mallen. His brother was bishop of Valence and the archbishop's palace at Vienne, attached to the most prestigious church of the province, was in the hands of a cousin by marriage.
  
  He married Adelaide, who seems to be of the family of the counts de Turin, and had a son, Guigues II (1025–1079), who succeeded him. His elder son, Humbert, was dedicated to becoming bishop.
  
  At the end of his life, Guigues retired to Cluny in Burgundy where he died in 1070.
  
  === !Royalty for Commoners 196:34. ===
  !Royalty for Commoners 196:34.
  
  === Guigues er est le neveu de l'évêque de V ===
  Guigues er est le neveu de l'évêque de Valence, père d'un évêque de Grenoble. Ses liens de parenté expliquent pourquoi il fut en 1029 l'un des deux bénéficiaires de l'inféodation du Viennois qui fut l'acte de naissance du Dauphiné.
  
  === !Paul Theroff ===
  !Paul Theroff
  
  === Died in Cluny. ===
  Died in Cluny.
  
  === 1 DEAT 2 DATE 1075 2 PLAC Alternate d ===
  1 DEAT 2 DATE 1075 2 PLAC Alternate date of death as a monk in Cluny 2 SOUR S034123 3 PAGE http://www.charweb.org/gen/rjones/d0004/g0000008.htm#I2093

1. Guigues IV of Albon , b. ABT 1025 in Albon-d'Ardeche, Departement de l'Ardèche, Rhône-Alpes, France     d. 1079 in Albon-d'Ardeche, Departement de l'Ardèche, Rhône-Alpes, France
2. Adelaide d'Albon and Grenoble, b. 1021 in Albon- d'Ardèche, Ardèche, Rhône-Alpes, France     d. 27 DEC 1091 in Canischio, Torino, Piémont, Italie

1. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Guidues V d'Albon Count - birth-name: Guigues V de Vion
   Author: Internet
   Note: birth-name: Guigues V de Vion
   Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2620740850
   
2. Title: Guigues II of Albon, "Find A Grave Index"
   Author: "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK1V-2WGW : 14 April 2023), The Fat, ; Burial, Saint-Etienne, Departement de l'Isère, Rhône-Alpes, France, Centre Hospitalier Alpes-Isere; citing record ID 144632789, Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.
   Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK1V-2WGW;
   
3. Title: Notas individuais Fit donation, en 1079, à Cluny de l'église de Saint-Priest en Vallée et de la chapelle de la Mure, en présence de Guigues-Raymond, de Richard et d'Armand ses frères. Fontes Pessoa: http://gw.geneanet.org/zardoz?lang=fr&p=guigues&n=d+al
   
4. Title: Foundation for Medieval Genealogy - GUIGUES [III] "Vetus/Vieux" ([995/1000]-Cluny 22 Apr [1074/75])
   Author: FMG Projects/MedLands
   Publication: Name: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkvien.htm#GuiguesIdied1075A;
   Note: b) GUIGUES [III] "Vetus/Vieux" ([995/1000]-Cluny 22 Apr [1074/75]). "Rodolfus rex" jointly with "Agiltrude regina coniuge nostra nec non archiepiscopo Burchardo fratre nostro et comitibus Rodulpho et Uberto" gave the castle of Moras to "Umberto episcopo eiusque matri domine Freburgie et nepotibus eius, Wigonis bone memorie filiis, Umberto Wigoni Willelmo" by charter dated 6 Jun 1009[168]. His birth date range, estimated consistent with the birth date ranges estimated for the other members of this family, means that Guigues was probably still a child at the date of this charter. Comte d’Albon.
   Page: Source record for GUIGUES [III] "Vetus/Vieux" ([995/1000]-Cluny 22 Apr [1074/75]).
   
5. Title: Guigues I Of Albon, "Find A Grave Index"
   Author: "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVGN-FVPF : 3 April 2023), Guigues I Of Albon, ; Burial, , ; citing record ID 122494583, Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.
   Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVGN-FVPF;
   
6. Title: Foundation for Medieval Genealogy - GUIGUES [III] "Vetus/Vieux", son of GUIGUES [II] & his wife [Gotelene ---] ([995/1000]-Cluny 22 Apr [1074/75])
   Author: FMG Projects/MedLands
   Publication: Name: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkvien.htm#GuiguesIVdied1106A;
   Note: GUIGUES [III] "Vetus/Vieux", son of GUIGUES [II] & his wife [Gotelene ---] ([995/1000]-Cluny 22 Apr [1074/75]). "Rodolfus rex" jointly with "Agiltrude regina coniuge nostra nec non archiepiscopo Burchardo fratre nostro et comitibus Rodulpho et Uberto" gave the castle of Moras to "Umberto episcopo eiusque matri domine Freburgie et nepotibus eius, Wigonis bone memorie filiis, Umberto Wigoni Willelmo" by charter dated 6 Jun 1009[177]. His birth date range, estimated consistent with the birth date ranges which are estimated for the other members of this family, means that Guigues was probably still a child at the date of this charter. "…Wigonis et Umberti filiorum fratris eius…" signed the charter dated 1012 under which "Umbertus Grationopolensis ecclesiæ præsul" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Chaffre[178]. Comte d’Albon. "Wigo comes filius Gotelenne" donated "ecclesiam de Visilia" to Cluny by undated charter, subscribed by "Wigonis filii sui, Ainardi de Domena, duobus de fratribus suis Attanulfi Wigonis, Bermundi de Aurel, Humberti nepotis sui"[179]. This charter is dated to [1090] in the compilation of Cluny charters. The document refers to Hugues abbot of Cluny, who is named in documents between 1048 and 1090. If [1090] is the correct date, it would have been signed towards the end of the lives of all three of the Domène brothers who subscribed the document: they are named in charters for Domène between [1027] and [1085][180]. It is therefore possible that the document dates from earlier in the abbacy of Hugues, in which case the donor could be Guigues [III] "Vetus". If this was correct, it would also resolve the problem of the identity of Gotelene. Chorier’s Histoire de Dauphiné suggests that "Gotelenne" was a corruption derived from the word "Catalonia" and therefore that this charter refers to Guigues [III]’s son by Ines de Barcelona[181]. This seems an unlikely explanation as the name "Catalonia" has not been observed in contemporary charters to describe Barcelona and adjacent counties collectively (see the document CATALONIA). A charter dated 29 Apr 1050 records the donation by "Guigoni…maiori, qui postea effectus est monachus…et Adelai comitissæ, et alii Guigoni, filio illius Guigonis…et uxori eius Petronillæ" to Saint-Pierre de Vienne[182]. "…Guigo comes et filius eius Guigo…" witnessed the charter dated 27 Jan 1052 which records an agreement between the archbishop of Vienne and the canons of the church of Romans[183]. "Vuigo comes" donated property "in parrochia Heroneii" to Domène by undated charter which names "dominus Hugo Prior de Domina" (whose priorship is dated to [1058] to [1072], indicating that the donor was Guigues [III] "Vetus")[184]. "Guigo comes qui nomine vocor senex atque filius meus Guigo pinguis" donated property to Oulx by charter dated 1063[185]. “Wigo” (signed “Wigonis comitis”) granted “sponse mee…Agnetis” various properties “in dotalitio”, including “castellum Albionem…Moratum…et Vallem…in comitatu Viennensis” by charter dated “VI Id Mai, luna XXma VIa regnante Henrico rege”, subscribed by “Pontii episcopi”[186], the date corresponding to the year 1070. He became a monk at Cluny. The necrology of the Priory of Saint-Martin-des-Champs records the death "X Kal Mai" of "Wigo comes"[187]. The necrology of the priory of Saint-Robert records the death "X Kal Mai" of "Guigo comes qui cognominatus est Vetus"[188]. No document has yet been found which identifies the year of his death. However, considering the date of his second marriage, and the birth of his son by his second wife, it is likely that he died in [1074/75]. He was dead by 12 Nov 1076, the date of the testament of his father-in-law Ramon Berenguer Comte de Barcelona which provides for the reversion of the testator’s county to "filium Guigonis de Albion quem habuit de filia sua Agnes" in case of extinction of his descendants in the male line[189]. This wording implies that both Ines and Guigues were deceased at the time. Prudhomme distinguishes two individuals in place of "Guigues [III]"[190]. He states that the older Guigues died in 1034, married "Gotelenne", and that his son was the second person, Guigues "Vetus". He cites no primary source in support of his theory, in particular no document which indicates that one of the counts Guigues died in 1034. The division of this person into two seems unnecessary to explain the primary sources. The family relationships shown in this document leave no primary source reference unexplained. In any case, it seems appropriate that Guigues "Vetus" should be identified with Guigues [III] as he would have well merited his nickname, assuming that his birth date is correctly estimated as shown above. m firstly ADELSINDIS, daughter of --- (-after 29 Apr 1050). "Malleni episcopi Gratianopolitani et Wigonis comitis et uxoris eius Adelsendis, filiorumque suorum Umberti et Wigonis" signed a charter dated 26 Aug 1035 relating to the donation of four churches in Vico to the abbey of Saint-Chaffre[191]. According to Europäische Stammtafeln[192], the first wife of Guigues [III] was "Gotelana de Clérieux". It appears that this hypothesis must be based on the charter dated [1090] under which "Wigo comes filius Gotelenne" donated property to Cluny[193]. However, as noted above, a better interpretation of the documentation is that "Gotelenne" was the mother of Guigues [III] not his wife. A charter dated 29 Apr 1050 records the donation by "Guigoni…maiori, qui postea effectus est monachus…et Adelai comitissæ, et alii Guigoni, filio illius Guigonis…et uxori eius Petronillæ" to Saint-Pierre de Vienne[194]. m secondly (10 May 1070) INES de Barcelona, daughter of RAMON BERENGUER I "el Viejo" Comte de Barcelona & his third wife Almodis de la Marche ([1055/56]-[before 12 Nov 1076]). “Wigo” (signed “Wigonis comitis”) granted “sponse mee…Agnetis” various properties “in dotalitio”, including “castellum Albionem…Moratum…et Vallem…in comitatu Viennensis” by charter dated “VI Id Mai, luna XXma VIa regnante Henrico rege”, subscribed by “Pontii episcopi”[195], the date corresponding to the year 1070. Her parentage is confirmed by the publication of the testament of "comitis Barchinone…Raimundi Berengarii" dated 12 Nov 1076 includes a residuary provision that, in case of the death of his three other children, his counties would revert to "filium Guigonis de Albion quem habuit de filia sua Agnes"[196]. The wording of the testament implies that both Ines and her husband were deceased at the time. Guigues [III] & his first wife had two children: 1. HUMBERT ([1025/30]-[1080]). 2. GUIGUES [IV] "Pinguis" ([1025/30]-19 Jan [1106], bur Priory of Saint-Robert). Guigues [III] & his second wife had one child: 3. GUIGUES dit Raymond ([1074/75]-5 Dec after 1096). Guigues [III] had two [probably illegitimate] children by [an unknown mistress]: 4. RICHARD (-after 1079). 5. ARMAND (-after 1079).
   Page: Source record for GUIGUES [III] "Vetus/Vieux", son of GUIGUES [II] & his wife [Gotelene ---] ([995/1000]-Cluny 22 Apr [1074/75]).