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Thibaud l'Ancien de Blois
- Preferred Name: Thibaud l'Ancien de Blois[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19]
- Alternate Name: Thibault Viscount De Blois
- Alternate Name: de Blois
- Alternate Name: Thibault de Blois
- Gender: M
- Nickname:
- Death: 954 in Troyes, Aube, Champagne, France at LATI: N8.3055 LONG: E0.0715
- Birth: 890 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Centre-Val de Loire, France at LATI: N7.5939 LONG: E0.3281
- Burial: 954 in Saint-Martin-des-Champs, Bretagne, França at LATI: N8.5784 LONG: E3.8612
- FSID: GMSP-9XR
- Notes:
=== Life Sketch ===
Thibaud dit l'Ancien (né en 890 - mort en 943), vicomte de Blois en 906, vicomte de Tours en 908, puis comte de Tours et comte de Blois vers 940.
Arrivé sur les bords de la Loire inférieure au début du Xe siècle, il serait de haute extraction franco-bourguignonne, apparentée au bosonide Hugues d'Arles, devenu roi d'Italie, et au père de celui-ci Thibaud d'Arles. Il est le fondateur de la dynastie des Thibaldiens.
Il épousa Richilde de Bourges, connue aussi sous le nom de Richilde du Maine ((v.890-† ap.942), fille de Roger du Maine et de Rothilde (v.871-v.928), fille de Charles le Chauve et de Richilde d'Ardennes).
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thibaud_l%
Thibaud dit l'Ancien (born in 890 - died in 943), Viscount of Blois in 906, Viscount of Tours in 908, then Count of Tours and Count of Blois around 940.
Arrived on the banks of the lower Loire at the beginning of the 10th century, he would be of high Franco-Burgundian extraction, related to the bosonide Hugues d'Arles, who became king of Italy, and to his father Thibaud d'Arles. He is the founder of the Thibaldian dynasty.
He married Richilde de Bourges
=== aka Thibaut de Troyes; Thibault; Thibaut ===
aka Thibaut de Troyes; Thibault; Thibaut de Tours.
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=== M L Call: The Royal Ancestry Bible Vol ===
M L Call: The Royal Ancestry Bible Vol 2 Chart 1918
=== Confusion in many historical records concerning Thibaud l'Ancien and Thibaut le Tricheur ===
It appears that many older records confuse the two individuals named Thibaut l'Ancien (Thibaut the Old) and Thibaut le Tricheur (Thibaut the Cheat or Thibaut the Trickster) [See documents in the Memories section]. It appears, from careful reading of the oldest records and comparing reported dates of birth, they are actually father and son, but many records seem to have combined them into one person. Thibaut l'Ancien is reportedly married to Richilde de Bourges and Thibaut le Tricheur is married to Liutgarde de Vermandois. A number of records call the son both Thibaut l'Ancien and Thibaut le Tricheur, but from dates and marriages they cannot be the same person. The most likely explanation for the ancestry of Thibaut le Tricheur is that he is the son of Thibaut l'Anicen and Richlide de Bourges. There appears to be no disagreement in the records that Thibaut le Tricheur was married to Liutgarde de Vermandois.
=== Custom Field:<_FA#> COUNT de BOURGES
Cus ===
Custom Field:<_FA#> COUNT de BOURGES
Custom Field:<_FA#> VICOUNT de TROYES
Preferred Parents:
Father: Eudes de Blois de Chartres II, b. 860 in Tours, Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France d. 3 JAN 898 in La Fère, Laon, Aisne, Picardie, France
Mother: Theodrata de Troyes, b. 860 in Chartres, Eure-et-Loir, Centre, France d. 908 in See, Sulzbach-Rosenberg, Amberg-Sulzbach, Bavaria, Germany
Family 1: Richilde de Bourges, b. 892 in Bourges, Alsace, France d. 946 in Valois, Rhône, Rhône-Alpes, France
- m. 909 in Bourgogne, France
Family 2: Unknown ,
- Thibaut De Blois I, b. 21 JAN 913 in Blois, Loir-et-Cher, Centre, France d. 16 JAN 976 in Blois, Loir-et-Cher, Centre, France
Sources:
- Title: Thibaut l'Ancien and Thibaut le Tricheur in The Ancestry of Donald Macomber, Ethel Jaynes Macomber and Harriet Seaver Macomber, pg. 28 [See document in the Memories section]
Author: The Ancestry of Donald Macomber, Ethel Jaynes Macomber and Harriet Seaver Macomber, pg. 28
Note: Thibaut l'Ancien and Thibaut le Tricheur in The Ancestry of Donald Macomber, Ethel Jaynes Macomber and Harriet Seaver Macomber, pg. 28 [See document in the Memories section]
Page: Thibaut l'Ancien and Thibaut le Tricheur in The Ancestry of Donald Macomber, Ethel Jaynes Macomber and Harriet Seaver Macomber, pg. 28 [See document in the Memories section]
- Title: Thibaut l'Ancien, Thibaut le Tricheur and Liutgarde de Vermandois in Johnson - Stedman and Allied Families, pg. 85 [See document in the Memories section]
Author: Johnson - Stedman and Allied Families, pg. 85
Note: Thibaut l'Ancien, Thibaut le Tricheur and Liutgarde de Vermandois in Johnson - Stedman and Allied Families, pg. 85 [See document in the Memories section]
Page: Thibaut l'Ancien, Thibaut le Tricheur and Liutgarde de Vermandois in Johnson - Stedman and Allied Families, pg. 85 [See document in the Memories section]
- Title: Foulques d’Anjou, Comte d’Anjou, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~http://shop.fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ANJOU,%20MAINE.htm#FoulquesIIdied958B [See document in the Memories section]
Publication: Name: http://shop.fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ANJOU,%20MAINE.htm#FoulquesIIdied958B;
Note: Foulques d’Anjou, Comte d’Anjou, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~http://shop.fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ANJOU,%20MAINE.htm#FoulquesIIdied958B [See document in the Memories section]
Page: Foulques d’Anjou, Comte d’Anjou, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~http://shop.fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ANJOU,%20MAINE.htm#FoulquesIIdied958B [See document in the Memories section]
- Title: Thibaud l'Ancien and Thibaud le Tricheur in Histoire du Diocese et de la Ville de Chartres, pg. 104-105 [See document in the Memories section]
Author: Histoire du Diocese et de la Ville de Chartres, pg. 104-105
Note: Thibaud l'Ancien and Thibaud le Tricheur in Histoire du Diocese et de la Ville de Chartres, pg. 104-105 [See document in the Memories section]
Page: Thibaud l'Ancien and Thibaud le Tricheur in Histoire du Diocese et de la Ville de Chartres, pg. 104-105 [See document in the Memories section]
- Title: Thibaut de Blois, Richilde and Thibaut le Tricheur in Eudes, Comte de Blois, de Tours, de Chartres, de Troyes at de Meaux, pg 14-16 [See document in the Memories section]
Author: Eudes, Comte de Blois, de Tours, de Chartres, de Troyes at de Meaux, pg 14-16
Note: Thibaut de Blois, Richilde and Thibaut le Tricheur in Eudes, Comte de Blois, de Tours, de Chartres, de Troyes at de Meaux, pg 14-16 [See document in the Memories section]
Page: Thibaut de Blois, Richilde and Thibaut le Tricheur in Eudes, Comte de Blois, de Tours, de Chartres, de Troyes at de Meaux, pg 14-16 [See document in the Memories section]
- Title: Thibaut I “l’Ancien”, Vicomte de Tours, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~http://shop.fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CENTRAL%20FRANCE.htm#dauThibautM1AlainBrittany [See document in the Memories section]
Publication: Name: http://shop.fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CENTRAL%20FRANCE.htm#dauThibautM1AlainBrittany;
Note: Thibaut I “l’Ancien”, Vicomte de Tours, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~http://shop.fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CENTRAL%20FRANCE.htm#dauThibautM1AlainBrittany [See document in the Memories section]
Page: Thibaut I “l’Ancien”, Vicomte de Tours, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~http://shop.fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CENTRAL%20FRANCE.htm#dauThibautM1AlainBrittany [See document in the Memories section]
- Title: Thibaut le Tricheur, his father Thibaut and mother Richilde in Histoire des Ducs et Comtes de Champagne, pg. 68-71 [See document in the Memories section]
Author: Histoire des Ducs et Comtes de Champagne, pg. 68-71
Note: Thibaut le Tricheur, his father Thibaut and mother Richilde in Histoire des Ducs et Comtes de Champagne, pg. 68-71 [See document in the Memories section]
Page: Thibaut le Tricheur, his father Thibaut and mother Richilde in Histoire des Ducs et Comtes de Champagne, pg. 68-71 [See document in the Memories section]
- Title: Richard de Blois, Archbishop of Bourges, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~http://shop.fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/Bourges.htm#RichardBourgesdied969 [See document in the Memories section]
Publication: Name: http://shop.fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/Bourges.htm#RichardBourgesdied969;
Note: Richard de Blois, Archbishop of Bourges, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~http://shop.fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/Bourges.htm#RichardBourgesdied969 [See document in the Memories section]
Page: Richard de Blois, Archbishop of Bourges, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~http://shop.fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/Bourges.htm#RichardBourgesdied969 [See document in the Memories section]
- Title: Thibaud l'Ancien and Thibuat le Tricheur in Widner - Dunton - Elkins - Broomall and Allied Families, pg. 564-565 [See document in the Memories section]
Author: Widner - Dunton - Elkins - Broomall and Allied Families, pg. 564-565
Note: Thibaud l'Ancien and Thibuat le Tricheur in Widner - Dunton - Elkins - Broomall and Allied Families, pg. 564-565 [See document in the Memories section]
Page: Thibaud l'Ancien and Thibuat le Tricheur in Widner - Dunton - Elkins - Broomall and Allied Families, pg. 564-565 [See document in the Memories section]
- Title: Thibaut, first of the name, and Thibaut le Tricheur in Historie Generale, Civile et Religieuse de la Cite des Carnutes et du Pays Chartrain, First Volume, pg. 188 footnote [See document in the Memories section]
Author: Historie Generale, Civile et Religieuse de la Cite des Carnutes et du Pays Chartrain, First Volume, pg. 188 footnote
Note: Thibaut, first of the name, and Thibaut le Tricheur in Historie Generale, Civile et Religieuse de la Cite des Carnutes et du Pays Chartrain, First Volume, pg. 188 footnote [See document in the Memories section]
Page: Thibaut, first of the name, and Thibaut le Tricheur in Historie Generale, Civile et Religieuse de la Cite des Carnutes et du Pays Chartrain, First Volume, pg. 188 footnote [See document in the Memories section]
- Title: Thibaut I “l’Ancien” and Thibaut II "le Tricheur", Counts of Blois, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CENTRAL%20FRANCE.htm#_Toc4742196 [See document in the Memories section]
Publication: Name: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CENTRAL%20FRANCE.htm#_Toc4742196;
Note: Thibaut I “l’Ancien” and Thibaut II "le Tricheur", Counts of Blois, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CENTRAL%20FRANCE.htm#_Toc4742196 [See document in the Memories section]
Page: add source
- Title: Thibaut l'Ancien, Thibaut le Tricheur and Luitgarde de Vermandois in Descendancy of Adam, pgs. 623 and 696 [See document in the Memories section]
Author: Descendancy of Adam, pgs. 623 and 696
Note: Thibaut l'Ancien, Thibaut le Tricheur and Luitgarde de Vermandois in Descendancy of Adam, pgs. 623 and 696 [See document in the Memories section]
Page: Thibaut l'Ancien, Thibaut le Tricheur and Luitgarde de Vermandois in Descendancy of Adam, pgs. 623 and 696 [See document in the Memories section]
- Title: Eudes, Thibaut and Thibaut le Tricheur in Memoires de la Societe Archeologique d'Eure et Loir, Vol. VII, pgs. 66-68, 73-74 [See document in the Memories section]
Author: Memoires de la Societe Archeologique d'Eure et Loir, Vol. VII, pgs. 66-68, 73-74
Note: Eudes, Thibaut and Thibaut le Tricheur in Memoires de la Societe Archeologique d'Eure et Loir, Vol. VII, pgs. 66-68, 73-74 [See document in the Memories section]
Page: Eudes, Thibaut and Thibaut le Tricheur in Memoires de la Societe Archeologique d'Eure et Loir, Vol. VII, pgs. 66-68, 73-74 [See document in the Memories section]
- Title: Counts of Blois in Ataviae Regiae, pg. 28 [See document in the Memories section]
Author: Ataviae Regiae, pg. 28
Note: Counts of Blois in Ataviae Regiae, pg. 28 [See document in the Memories section]
Page: Counts of Blois in Ataviae Regiae, pg. 28 [See document in the Memories section]
- Title: Thibaut le Tricheur and his father Thibaut in Le Moyen Age, pg. 174-176 [See document in the Memories section]
Author: Le Moyen Age, pg. 174-176
Note: Thibaut le Tricheur and his father Thibaut in Le Moyen Age, pg. 174-176 [See document in the Memories section]
Page: Thibaut le Tricheur and his father Thibaut in Le Moyen Age, pg. 174-176 [See document in the Memories section]
- Title: Thibaut le Tricheur and Liutgarde de Vermandois in Chrysler - Forker and Allied Families, pg. 189-190 [See document in the Memories section]
Author: Chrysler - Forker and Allied Families, pg. 189-190
Note: Thibaut le Tricheur and Liutgarde de Vermandois in Chrysler - Forker and Allied Families, pg. 189-190 [See document in the Memories section]
Page: Thibaut le Tricheur and Liutgarde de Vermandois in Chrysler - Forker and Allied Families, pg. 189-190 [See document in the Memories section]
- Title: Thibaud l'Ancien and Thibaut le Tricheur in The Ancestral Families of Hazel Ruth Keyes, pg. 151 [See document in the Memories section]
Author: The Ancestral Families of Hazel Ruth Keyes, pg. 151
Note: Thibaud l'Ancien and Thibaut le Tricheur in The Ancestral Families of Hazel Ruth Keyes, pg. 151 [See document in the Memories section]
Page: Thibaud l'Ancien and Thibaut le Tricheur in The Ancestral Families of Hazel Ruth Keyes, pg. 151 [See document in the Memories section]
- Title: Leutgard (Luitgardis) de Vermandois in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#Luitgarddiedafter977 [See document in the Memories section]
Publication: Name: https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/139559582;
Note: Leutgard (Luitgardis) de Vermandois in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#Luitgarddiedafter977 [See document in the Memories section]
Page: Leutgard (Luitgardis) de Vermandois in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#Luitgarddiedafter977 [See document in the Memories section]
- Title: Thibaut II “le Tricheur”, son of Thibaut I “l’Ancien” in Wikipedia ~https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theobald_I,_Count_of_Blois [See document in the Memories section]
Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theobald_I,_Count_of_Blois;
Note: Thibaut II “le Tricheur”, son of Thibaut I “l’Ancien” in Wikipedia ~https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theobald_I,_Count_of_Blois [See document in the Memories section]
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