Giselbert de Lorraine I

• Preferred Name: Giselbert de Lorraine I^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21]}
  
• Gender: M
  
• FSID: L87F-P2T
  
• Occupation: Count in the Maasgau
  
• Birth: 830 in Hainaut, Belgium at LATI: N0.5 LONG: E0.8333
  
• Nickname:
  
• Burial: SEP 855 in Reims, Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France at LATI: N9.2546 LONG: E0.0313
  
• Death: BET 6 SEP 885 AND 892 in Reims, Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France at LATI: N9.2546 LONG: E0.0313
  
• Occupation: Graf in Bidgau
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  geni.com
  Giselbert de Lorraine, comte de Maasgau
  English (default): Giselbert, comte de Maasgau, French: Giselbert de Lorraine, comte de Basse-Lorraine
  Also Known As: "Gilbert", "aka Gislebert I von TOXANDRIEN; vom MASSGAU", "Gilbert von Maasgau", "Gilbert de Moselle", "Gislebert", "Giselbert /de Hainaut/", "Giselbert Of The /Maasgau/", "(Gijsbrecht)", "Giselbert", "Darnau", "the Meuse", "Von Barnau Zu Maasgau Count Of Brabant"
  Birthdate: 830
  Death: 892 (61-62)
  Rheims, Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France
  Immediate Family:
  
  Husband of NN poss Ermengarde de Tours
  
  Father of
  Adalbert von Maasgau, I and
  Reginar I "Longneck", Duke of Lorraine and Count of Hainault
  
  Occupation: Comte de Brabant, comte en Maasgau, comte de Lomme, graaf in de Lommengouw vv.846-849, graaf van de Darnau 863, Duc, de Hesbaye, Comte, de Mansuarie, de Lomegau, de Brabant, de Basse-Lorraine, Comte de Maasgau, Count of Brabant, Count of Darnau
  
  Gilbert (Giselbert), Count of Maasgau was a Frankish noble in what would become Lotharingia, during his lifetime in the 9th century. The Carolingian dynasty created this "middle kingdom" and fought over it, and he was is mentioned as playing a role on both sides.
  
  After the death of Louis the Pious in 840, Gilbert was a vassal of Charles the Bald in the western kingdom which later became France, but he switched sides to join Charles' brother Lothar I, who would become first king of the future Lotharingia. Gilbert later offered to switch sides again.
  
  Various proposals have been made about his family connections and exact titles, though most of these are considered uncertain.
  
  Based upon a contemporary description of him as "comes Mansuariorum", it is proposed that he held the Maasau [nl] on the lower Meuse.
  He is sometimes seen as a count who held the Pagus Lomacensis, which included the pagus of Darnau.
  He is believed to be a likely ancestor or close relative of Reginar I and the Reginarid dynasty
  Gilbert's background is not known. The similarity of his apparent son's name to the name "Ragnar" has been used as an argument to suggest a Viking connection.[9] Another possibility is that he was related to a man named Reginar, son of Meginhere (a nobleman from the court of Charlemagne).
  
  Rösch suggests that Gilbert's wife was named Ermengarde, but there is no conclusive evidence that this is correct.[10]
  
  Children may include:
  
  Reginar I (c. 850–916). There is no primary source unequivocally stating that Reginar was Gilbert's son.
  Albert is mentioned as a brother of Reginar, probably Reginar I or a relative.[11]
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert,_Count_of_the_Maasgau
  
  Giselbert, wife and 2 children
  https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#_ftnref1500
  
  GISELBERT [I], son of --- (-after 14 Jun 877, maybe after 6 Sep 885). Giselbert's origin is unknown. However, Vik
  
  === Name Prefix: Count
  REFN: HWS125194 ===
  Name Prefix: Count
  REFN: HWS125194
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  === Moselle also known as Maasgau ===
  Moselle also known as Maasgau
  
  === https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert,_Count_of_the_Maasgau ===
  .
  
  === 839-842 Count in the Massgau. [Ancestra ===
  839-842 Count in the Massgau. [Ancestral Roots]
  
  === Giselbert was Count of Darnau from 846 ===
  Giselbert was Count of Darnau from 846 until 863.
  
  === Giselbert, Count in the valley of the Me ===
  Giselbert, Count in the valley of the Meuse, ruling Masau/Maasgau in whatis now Belgium; married 846 Irmgard, daughter of the Holy Roman EmperorLothair (grandson of Charlemagne), who granted his son-in-law theCountship of Darnau 863. [Burke's Peerage]
  
  846-863 Count of Darnau. [Ancestral Roots]
  
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  The following was given in a post-em by Curt Hofemann,curt_hofemann@yahoo.com:
  
  A little flw-up info:
  Gislebert II von TOXANDRIEN, Count in the Maasgau & Scheldegau. This istranslated from the flwg (well researched) website:
  
  Graf im Maas- und Scheldegau [Ref:http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cousin/html/d0009/g0000902.html#I7898citing Mittelalterliche Genealogie im Deutschen Reich bis zum Ende derStaufer, Url: http://www.genealogie-mittelalter.de/] Research note: whereor what is Toxandrien?
  
  Comte de Mansurie [Ref:http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cousin/html/d0009/g0000902.html#I7898citing Deux Mille Ans D'Histoire, Edition: Editions Universitaires ( DeuxMille ) publication: Les Presses de Belgique, 163, Rue du Trone,Bruxelles, 1946] Note: is Mansurie French for Maasgau or somewhere else?
  
  Regards,
  Curt
  
  aka Giselbert II of Lorraine; Gilbert II; Gilbert Darnau Brabant.
  
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1. Reginar de Hainaut I, b. 25 OCT 850 in Verdun, France     d. 15 JAN 916 in Meersen, Limburg, Netherlands

1. Title: Wikipedia, Giselbert Graf im Maasgau
   Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert,_Count_of_the_Maasgau;
   
2. Title: Giselbert I van De Maasgau
   Publication: Name: https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-1-258982741-2-2558/giselbert-i-van-de-maasgau-in-myheritage-family-trees?fspid=LTM6-64B;
   
3. Title: Adelgunde d'Auxerre von Maasgau (born de Bourgogne), 'MyHeritage Family Trees'
   Author: MyHeritage Family Trees MyHeritage.com [online database], MyHeritage Ltd. Gallas Web Site, managed by jennifer Gallas
   Publication: Name: https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-1-596122881-1-555693/adelgunde-dauxerre-von-maasgau-born-de-bourgogne-in-myheritage-family-trees;
   Note: Adelgunde D'auxerre Von Maasgau (born De Bourgogne) Birth: Circa 860 - Bourgogne, France Death: Circa 902 Husband: Ehrenfried Von Maasgau (Born Graf Im Bliesgau Und Keldachgau), I, Count In The Bliesgau, The Keldachgau And Of Charmois Son: Eberhard Van Bliesgau (Born Von Lebarten), I, Count Von Keldachgau Und Bliesgau
   
4. Title: Giselbert I, Graf van Maasgau, Reginar I, Comte de Hainaut, and Giselbert II, Duke of Lorraine (Lotharingia), in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~http://shop.fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#ReginarIdied915A
   Publication: Name: http://shop.fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#ReginarIdied915A;
   Note: Giselbert I, Graf van Maasgau, Reginar I, Comte de Hainaut, and Giselbert II, Duke of Lorraine (Lotharingia), in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~http://shop.fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#ReginarIdied915A [See document in the Memories section]
   Page: Giselbert I, Graf van Maasgau, Reginar I, Comte de Hainaut, and Giselbert II, Duke of Lorraine (Lotharingia), in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~http://shop.fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#ReginarIdied915A
   
5. Title: Wikipedia, Reginarids
   Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginarids;
   
6. Title: Giselbert I van De Maasgau
   Publication: Name: https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-1-258982741-2-2558/giselbert-i-van-de-maasgau-in-myheritage-family-trees?fspid=LTM6-64B;
   
7. Title: Giselbert I, Graf van Maasgau, and Reginar I, Count de Hainaut, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~http://shop.fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#Giselbertdied939 [See document in the Memories section]
   Publication: Name: http://shop.fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#Giselbertdied939;
   Note: Giselbert I, Graf van Maasgau, and Reginar I, Count de Hainaut, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~http://shop.fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#Giselbertdied939 [See document in the Memories section]
   
8. Title: Giselbert I, Graf van Maasgau, Reginar I, Comte de Hainaut, and Giselbert II, Duke of Lorraine (Lotharingia), in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~http://shop.fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#ReginarIdied915A
   Publication: Name: http://shop.fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#ReginarIdied915A;
   
9. Title: MEDIEVAL LANDS Website
   Author: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/Search.htm
   Publication: Name: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/Search.htm;
   Note: This source takes one to the Medlands search page. Medlands is a comprehensive compilation of original Latin, Greek and other languages of ancient 300-1500AD records into English. It is very well sourced, and if patrons can find these original records from the quoted sources, it would be great to have the very originals themselves posted here at FS. Please be advised, that the Medlands site is continually updated, and one should take a look for any updates. Please add the specific source and excerpts from Medlands to the reason statement when adding this source to any specific PID.
   Page: daughter ([825/30]-). The Gesta Francorum records that "Gisalbertus, vassallus Karoli" abducted "filiam Hlotharii imperatoris" and took her to Aquitaine where they were married[21]. The Annales Fuldenses also record that "Gisalbertus vassallus Karoli" abducted "filiam Hlotharii imperatoris" and married her in Aquitaine in 846[22]. The Annales Mettenses also date this event in 846[23]. Settipani states that the emperor recognised the marriage in 849[24]. Rösch says that this daughter is often named Ermengarde in secondary sources but that there is no contemporary proof that this is correct[25]. m (Aquitaine 846) GISELBERT Graf von Maasgau, son of --- (-after 14 Jun 877)
   
10. Title: Giselbert I, Graf van Maasgau; Reginar I, Comte de Hainaut; Giselbert Duke of Lotharingia; and Gerberga of Germany in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#ReginarIdied915A
    Publication: Name: https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/143151499;
    Note: Giselbert I, Graf van Maasgau; Reginar I, Comte de Hainaut; Giselbert Duke of Lotharingia; and Gerberga of Germany in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#ReginarIdied915A [See document in the Memories section]
    Page: Giselbert I, Graf van Maasgau; Reginar I, Comte de Hainaut; Giselbert Duke of Lotharingia; and Gerberga of Germany in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#ReginarIdied915A
    
11. Title: Wikipedia, Reginarids
    Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginarids;
    
12. Title: Wikipedia, Reginarids
    Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginarids;
    
13. Title: Wikipedia, Giselbert Graf im Maasgau
    Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert,_Count_of_the_Maasgau;
    
14. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Giselbert DeLorraine -
    Author: Ancestry Family Trees, Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com. Original data: Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members., Page number: Ancestry Family Trees
    
15. Title: Giselbert I van De Maasgau
    Publication: Name: https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-1-258982741-2-2558/giselbert-i-van-de-maasgau-in-myheritage-family-trees?fspid=LTM6-64B;
    
16. Title: Giselbert I de Lorraine, comte de Maasgau, 'MyHeritage Family Trees'
    Author: MyHeritage Family Trees MyHeritage.com [online database], MyHeritage Ltd. Gallas Web Site, managed by jennifer Gallas
    Publication: Name: https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-1-596122881-1-555694/giselbert-i-de-lorraine-comte-de-maasgau-in-myheritage-family-trees;
    Note: Giselbert I De Lorraine, Comte De Maasgau Birth: 825 - Maasgau, Meuse Valley, Austrasia (now Belgium) Death: 892 - Rheims, Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France Parents: Lothair I Der Franken, Ermengarde Countess Of De Tours Siblings: Louis Ii "le Jeune" D'italie (Born Carolingian Dynasty), Emperor Of Italy And Of The Franks, Helletrude (Hiltrude) De Lorraine, Princess Ermengarde De Lorraine (born Des Francs De Germanie * Der Karolingers), Bertha De Avenay, Gisela Dei Carolingi (born De Lorraine), Lothair Unknown, Rotrude Di Italia, Charles Der Franken, Unknown, De Lorraine Wife: Ermengarde De Lorraine (born Des Francs De Germanie * Der Karolingers) Children: Adalbert Von Maasgau, I, Ehrenfried Von Maasgau (Born Graf Im Bliesgau Und Keldachgau), I, Count In The Bliesgau, The Keldachgau And Of Charmois, Unknown
    
17. Title: Giselbert I, count of Maasgau
    Publication: Name: https://www.geni.com/people/Giselbert-I-count-of-Maasgau/6000000002043195487;
    Page: about Giselbert de Lorraine
    
18. Title: Wikipedia, Giselbert Graf im Maasgau
    Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert,_Count_of_the_Maasgau;
    
19. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Giselbert DeLorraine -
    Author: Ancestry Family Trees, Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com. Original data: Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members., Page number: Ancestry Family Trees
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20. Title: Giselbert I, Graf van Maasgau, Reginar I, Comte de Hainaut, and Giselbert II, Duke of Lorraine (Lotharingia), in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~http://shop.fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#ReginarIdied915A
    Publication: Name: http://shop.fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#ReginarIdied915A;
    
21. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Giselbert DeLorraine -
    Author: Ancestry Family Trees, Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com. Original data: Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members., Page number: Ancestry Family Trees