Yves de Creil I

• Preferred Name: Yves de Creil I^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15]}
  
• Alternate Name: de Creil
  
• Alternate Name: Yves De Creil De Belleme Comte D'Alençon Governor Of Crei
  
• Gender: M
  
• Occupation: Bishop of Sees with note: Same person
  
• Occupation: Balistier de Louis IV with note: updateEventReason
  
• FSID: L187-NYR
  
• Fact: NOT MARRIED with note: Description: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yves_de_Bell%C3%AAme
  
• LifeSketch: with note: Description: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMAN%20NOBILITY.htm
  
• Fact: with note: Description: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yves_de_Bell%C3%AAme
  
• Fact: NOT MARRIED with note: Description: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/50350945/yves-de_creil
  
• Fact: with note: Description: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/50350945/yves-de_creil
  
• Title (Nobility): with note: Description: Seigneur de Bellême
  
• Alt.+Birth: 880 in Criel sur Mer, Seine-Maritime, Normandie, France at LATI: N0.0167 LONG: E0.3183
  
• Noble Family: with note: Description: House of Bellême
  
• The+de+Massey+surname+seems+to+suggest+that+Herve+Montagne+was+an+heir+to+Giselbert+Von+Maasgau+II.: with note: Description: Giselbert Von Maasgau II may be Herve Montagne's adoptive father or step-father, rather than his biological father.
  
• Herve+Montagne+is+Lotharingen+and+Carolingian: with note: Description: A descendant of King Lothair through his mother, Ermengard van Lotharingen
  
• Death: 945 in Alençon, Orne, Normandy, France at LATI: N8.4306 LONG: E0.0836
  
• http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: with note: Description: Lord
  
• Death: 983 in Alençon, Orne, Lower Normandy, France at LATI: N8.5833 LONG: E0.1667
  
• Birth: 885 in Belleme, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France at LATI: N8.3767 LONG: E0.5597
  
• http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: with note: Description: Lord of Belleme
  
• Burial: in France with note: GEDCOM Data Notre-Dame-de-Belleme, Orne, France
  
• http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Seigneur of Creil & Alençon
  
• http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: 1st Seigneur de Bellême
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  geni.com Yves de Creil, comte d'Alençon Also Known As: "Yves de Creil", "Governor of Creil" Birthdate: circa 940 Birthplace: Creil, Oise, Picardie, France Death: circa 1005 (56-74) Alencon, Orne, Normandy, France Immediate Family: Son of Fulcuin de Belleme, Count Of Cordoba and Rothais de Corbonais Husband of Godehilde Father of Mgr. Avesgaud de Bellême, Évêque du Mans; Renaud de Creil, I; Yves III de Bellême de Château Gontier; Guillaume I, 'Talvas' de Belleme, seigneur d'Alençon; Godehildis de Bellême; and Hildeburge de Bellême « less Brother of Bilehendis de Creil and Eremburgis de Creil Occupation: Balistier, de Louis IV, Comte, de Bellême, Sieur, d'Alençon, de Sées, de Domfront, du Roi, de Château-Gontier, Seigneur de Creil and Belleme, Comte d'Alencon, Count of
  About Yves de Creil, seigneur de Bellême
  From Medlands
  (this link is not active)
  http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMAN%20NOBILITY.htm
  IVES de Creil (-1005 or after). [Guillaume of Jumièges records that Louis IV King of the West Franks, after the death of Richard´s father, marched on Rouen, was received by “Rodulphus et Bernardus atque Anslech totius Normannici ducatus tutores”, and captured Richard, who was taken to Laon but was freed by “Osmundus...consilio cum Yvone patre Willelmi de Belismo” and taken to “Silvanectis” where “Bernardus...comes” protected “nepotem suum Richardum”[82]. If correctly reported, this event must be dated to [942/43]. It seems unlikely that Ives, father of Guillaume de Bellême, could have been involved considering his survival until the early years of the following century.] "Ivo…in castro meo Bellismo" founded the chapel of l'Abbayette, with the consent of "duarum…sororum mearum Billehendis atque Eremburgis…duorum avunculorum, Seinfredi episcopi et Guillelmi, atque cognatorum Guillelmi clerici, Roberti, Sutsardi, rursusque Guillelmi laïci", for the souls of "patris mei Fulconii et matris meæ Rothais" by charter dated 12 Oct 997, witnessed by "Hugonis comitis, Radulfi vicecomitis"[83]. Seigneur de Bellême {Mortagne, Orne}, du Saosnais, du Passais et de Sées. "Ivo" founded Notre-Dame de Bellême, for the souls of himself "conjugisque mee Godehildis, sive filiis meis vel genitoribus meis", by undated charter[84]. m GODEHILDIS, daughter of ---. "Ivo" founded Notre-Dame de Bellême, for the souls of himself "conjugisque mee Godehildis, sive filiis meis vel genitoribus meis", by undated charter, confirmed after his death by "Willelmus et Godehildis mater mea"[85]. Ives & his wife had five children:
  i) GUILLAUME de Bellême (-[1031]). Guillaume of Jumièges records that Robert II Duke of Normandy besieged “Willelmus Belesmensis, Yvonis filius...ex castro Alentio quod beneficio tenebat iure”, who had rebelled, and forced his submission (although he rebelled again later)[86]. Seigneur de Bellême. Sire d'Alençon.
  
  - see below.
  
  ii) IVES de Bellême (-after [1031]). "Avesgaudus…Cenomannensium presul, meusque frater Ivo" donated property to Saint-Vincent du Mans by charter dated to [995/1032][87]. "Rotberti filii Wilelmi, Ivo suus avunculus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by undated charter[88]. Abelin lists his donations of property at Le Mans to Marmoutier by charter dated [1064/10 May 1065], naming "Ivonis de Belismo [et] filiis illius Guilelmo, Avesgaudo præsule atque Ivone"[89].
  
  iii) AVESGAUD de Bellême (-Verdun 27 Oct 1035). Abelin lists his donations of property at Le Mans to Marmoutier by charter dated [1064/10 May 1065], naming "Ivonis de Belismo [et] filiis illius Guilelmo, Avesgaudo præsule atque Ivone"[90]. Bishop of Le Mans [997]. The Actus pontificum Cenomannis records the installation of "Avesgaudus, nepos ipsius" as Bishop of Le Mans after the death of "Segenfrido" (in [997])[91]. "Avesgaudus…Cenomannensium presul, meusque frater Ivo" donated property to Saint-Vincent du Mans by charter dated to [995/1032][92]. Bishop Gervais names "avunculi mei Avesgaudi…genitoris cum genetrice mea Haimonis et Hildeburga" in his testament dated [1040/47], which also specifies that "avunculi mei domini Avesgaudi episcopi" died "apud Verdunis VI Kal Nov" on returning from Jerusalem, that "sororis eius, matris mee Hyldeburge" died the same day that "patris mei Haimonis" died "XVIII Kal Feb", and that he was ordained "XIV Kal Jan"[93].
  
  iv) HILDEBURGIS de Bellême (-27 Oct ----). Avesgaud Bishop of Le Mans gave the church of Parigné-l'Evèque and Loué to "unam Hildeburgi sorori suæ primogenitæ et alteram Godehilde germanæ suæ secundæ" by charter dated [1000][94]. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified. Bishop Gervais names "avunculi mei Avesgaudi…genitoris cum genetrice mea Haimonis et Hildeburga" in his testament dated [1040/47][95]. m (1006 or before) HAMON [Hamelin] de Château-du-Loir, son of --- (-15 Jan [1030]).
  
  v) GODEHILDIS de Bellême . Avesgaud Bishop of Le Mans gave the church of Parigné-l'Evèque and Loué to "unam Hildeburgi sorori suæ primogenitæ et alteram Godehilde germanæ suæ secundæ" by charter dated [1000][96]. The primary source which confirms her first marriage has not yet been identified. "Rodulfus…Cenomannus vicecomes…mee bone coniugis Godehelt…filio Rodulfo" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Victeur du Mans by charter dated to [994][97]. No direct proof has been identified that this is the same Godehildis, but it appears likely to be correct. m [firstly] ALBERT [I] de la Ferté-en-Beauce {la Ferté-Vidame, Eure-et-Loir}, son of ---. [m secondly RAOUL [II] Vicomte du Maine, son of --- (-before 1014).] Godehildis & her [first] husband had one child:
  
  (a) ALBERT [II] de la Ferté-en-Beauce . Motey names Albert as son of Godehildis and her first husband, stating that he became a monk at Jumièges after his wife died and was elected abbé de Saint-Etienne et de Saint-Mesmin near Orléans, but cites no primary source[98]. Abbot at Micy. m (before 989) --- de Châteaudun, daughter of HUGUES Vicomte de Châteaudun & his wife Hildegarde du Perche. The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. Albert & his wife had one child:
  
  (1) ARNOUL de la Ferté-en-Beauce (-1053). "Arnulphus ex nobili Alençoniorum et Bellismensium comitum genere, nepos Avesgaudi et consobrinus Gervasii" was elected archbishop of Tours[99]. Archbishop of Tours 1023.
  
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  See "My Lines"
  http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p330.htm#i12263 )
  from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA
  
  http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm )
  http://armidalesoftware.com/issue/full/Thaler_847_main.html#N1
  
  Generation One
  
  1. COUNT FULK1 DE CORBONAIS was born between 827 and 983, and died between 887 and 1093. He married ROLAIS. [3]
  
  Child: + 2 i. IVRES I2 DE BELESME, d. in 997; m. GODCHILDE.
  
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  Generation Two
  
  2. IVRES I2 DE BELESME (Fulk de CORBONAIS1), son of (1) Count Fulk1 and Rolais, was born between 887 and 983, and died in 997[3]. He married GODCHILDE. [3]
  
  Child: + 3 i. COUNT GUILLAUME I3 DE ALENCON, d. in 1028; m. MAUD.
  
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  Generation Three
  
  3. COUNT GUILLAUME I3 DE ALENCON (Ivres I de BELESME2, Fulk de CORBONAIS1), son of (2) Ivres I2 and Godchilde BELESME, was born between 918 and 998, and died in 1028[3]. He married MAUD. [3]
  
  Child: + 4 i. WILLIAM4 TALVAS, d. in 1070; m. HILDEBURGE.
  
  La Maison de la Jaille, par le Marquis de Brisay:
  
  "C'est au règne de Charles le Simple en France, qu'il faut remonter pour trouver l'origine de la famille dont nous écrivons l'histoire. Ce prince avait pour résidence l'ancienne cité royale des Mérovingiens, Compiègne, où son aïeul avait fondé la célèbre abbaye de Saint-Corneille. Un des dignitaires de la cour de Charles, portant le nom d'une localité voisine, Yves de Creil, obtint du monarque l'inféodation de la partie méridionale du Perticensis pagus, où il éleva dès 940 la forteresse de Bellême, centre d'une juridiction bientôt étendue à la totalité du Perche, exception faite de Mortagne reprise par les rois. Les conquêtes personnelles du premier comte de Bellême, la faveur résultant des services qu'il rendit à la couronne lui permirent de s'étendre jusqu'à Alençon, où il fixa sa puissance par la construction d'un château dont il reste de curieux vestiges.
  
  Yves de Creil, comte de Bellême et d'Alençon, en 948, fut confirmé dans ses possessions à titre héréditaire par Richard II, duc de Normandie, et par Lothaire, roi de France, qui en donnèrent l'investiture à son fils aîné Guillaume, présenté par acte authentique en pleine possession, l'an 997. Les descendants de celui-ci formèrent la première Maison des comtes d'Alençon et de Bellême, dont les membres très puissants furent, au dire de certains auteurs «fameux par leurs méfaits».
  
  D'une femme appelée Godehilde, Yves de Creil avait eu plusieurs enfants. Le troisième de ses fils, Yves ou Yvon, est connu par l'attestation qu'il donna à une fondation faite en faveur de l'église Saint-Vincent du Mans par,l'évêque Avesgaud, son frère. Yves ou Yvon serait, au dire de plusieurs historiens, la tige des sires de Châteaugontier, ce que rend probable la faveur dont lui-même et les siens paraissent avoir joui auprès des comtes d'Anjou, possesseurs d'une partie du Maine. Yves fut, en effet, comme l'attestent plusieurs titres, un des fidèles de Geoffroy Grisegonnelle et de Foulques Nerra (958-1040).
  
  Le père Anselme dit que les seigneurs de Châteaugontier sont « vraisemblablement » puînés de Bellême, Yves, troisième fils d'Yves de Creil, étant « cru avec quelqu'espèce de probabilité » l'auteur de cette Maison. Ménage paraît le croire aussi en maintenant une réserve prudente. Bry de la Clergerie n'ose pas l'affirmer, mais il ne soutient pas l'opinion contraire. Les contradicteurs de cette donnée généralement admise, ont argué d'un texte émanant du cartulaire particulier de Philippe-Auguste, où
  
  His parentage is unknown but by his name he was associated with Creil, a small town in the territory belonging to Bernard, Count of Senlis. It is known that he served king Louis IV d'Outremer about 94
  
  About
  Ives I de Creil was regis balistarius to the King of France, in the 10th century.
  
  Life
  His parentage is unknown but by his name he was associated with Creil, a small town in the territory belonging
  
  Preserving My Version of Yves de Creil, seigneur de Bellême
  I don't know why, but some people are determined to destroy this line. It's pretty clear on geni.com how it's supposed to work.
  
  https://www.geni.com/people/Yves-de-Creil-seigneur-de-Bell%C3%AAme/600
  
  Yves de Bellême Seigneur de Bellême, SON of Fulcuin
  Yves de Bellême Seigneur de Bellême, SON of Fulcuin
  
  Yves de Creil, seigneur de Bellême
  Yves de Creil, comte d'Alençon
  Also Known As: "Yves de Creil", "Governor of Creil"
  
  Birthdate: circa 940 (65)
  Bi
  
  Yves de Creil, the First One
  Yves de Creil I
  
  https://www.geni.com/people/Yves-de-Creil/6000000004270563407
  
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  PLEASE DO NOT DELETE THIS RELATIONSHIP. IF YOU DISAGREE WITH IT, ADD ANOTHER PARENT, ANOTHER SPOUSE, OR ANOTHER CHIL
  
  SON of Fulcuin, Yves de Creil, comte d'Alençon
  Yves 2nd de Belleme at the Cruel Front
  Yves 2nd de Creil, comte d'Alençon
  
  https://syntropy.site/Yves-de-Belleme-at-the-Cruel-Front
  
  --
  
  The information at geni.com seems to be wrong, so I went with g
  
  Yves de Creil, BROTHER of Fulcuin de Belleme, DOES NOT EXIST
  Yves de Creil, BROTHER of Fulcuin de Belleme, DOES NOT EXIST.
  
  I noticed that Yves the BROTHER of Fulcoin always ended up having the same wife as Yves 2nd, the SON of Fulcoin.
  
  That told me that they
  
  === INFO FROM (OCT 1995): Patrick James Navi ===
  INFO FROM (OCT 1995): Patrick James Navin 866 Collins Denton, Texas 76201 (817) 591-9613 Internet: PATRI3504L@AOL.COM
  
  === INFO FROM (OCT 1995): Patrick James Navi ===
  INFO FROM (OCT 1995): Patrick James Navin 866 Collins Denton, Texas 76201 (817) 591-9613 Internet: PATRI3504L@AOL.COM
  
  === https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yves_de_Bell%C3%AAme ===
  Geoffrey H. White, The First House of Bellême, Transactions of the Royal Historical Society, Fourth Series, Vol. 22 (1940), p. 73Jump up^ The Gesta Normannorum Ducum of William of Jumieges, Orderic Vatalis, and Robert of Torigni, Vol. I, ed. & trans. Elisabeth M.C. van Houts (Clarendon Press, Oxford, 1992) pp. 103, 105
  
  === It is not certain that Yves de Creil was ===
  It is not certain that Yves de Creil was the father of Yves deBelleme, though there is circumstantial evidence for it. See thediscussion in the Transactions of the Royal Historical Society, Vol.22:67-88. In about 945 he held the post of 'regis balistarius' [officer incharge of the royal siege train] to the King of France. From Transactions of the Royal Historical Society, Vol 22:69: "At this time [i.e., about 945] the little duke Richard I of Normandywas living in the castle of Laon, in theory as the king's ward, butpractically as a prisoner of state. According to the Normanhistorians, Louis IV intended either to murder or to mutilate the boy,then about twelve years of age; but Yves de Creil betrayed the plot toOsmund, the duke's tutor and squire. After consulting Yves, Osmundarranged that Richard should feign illness, in order to throw theroyal officers off their guard. This ruse proved successful, and oneevening Osmund, muffling the boy in a russet cloak, carried him out,rode off with him after sundown, and brought him safely to the castleof Coucy, which was held by Bernard, count of Senlis. As Creil was inthe domains of Bernard, there can be little doubt that the count wasinvolved in the plot to rescue Richard, if indeed he did not originateit."
  
  === DATA ===
  Ives deCreil
  FamilySearch Family Tree
  Birth: Between Jan 6 1000 and Jan 6 1001 - Creil, Oise, Picardie, France
  Death: Between Jan 7 1037 and Jan 6 1038 - Alençon, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France
  Wife: Gohilde deCreil (born dePontieu)
  Daughter: Elizabeth D'Avoye
  
  === Anachronistic dates ===
  Birthdates of him and his wife don’t fit with birthdates currently given for some of their offspring
  
  === Yves de Creil, comte d'Alençon ===
  Yves de Creil, comte d'Alençon
  Also Known As:
  "Yves de Creil", "Governor of Creil"
  Birthdate:
  circa 940
  Birthplace:
  Creil, Oise, Picardie, France
  Death:
  circa 1005 (57-73)
  Alencon, Orne, Normandy, France
  Immediate Family:
  Son of Fulcuin de Belleme, Count Of Cordoba and Rothais (Rolais) de Corbonais
  Husband of Godehilde
  Father of Avesgaud de Bellême; Yves de Bellême; Renaud de Creil, I; Guillaume I, 'Talvas' de Belleme, seigneur d'Alençon; Godehildis de Bellême and 1 other
  Brother of Bilehendis de Creil and Eremburgis de Creil
  Occupation:
  Balistier, de Louis IV, Comte, de Bellême, Sieur, d'Alençon, de Sées, de Domfront, du Roi, de Château-Gontier, Seigneur de Creil and Belleme, Comte d'Alencon, Count of Alencon, Seigneur De Bellesme and Alençon De Crei
  
  === Seigneur de Bellême, the first known progenitor of the House of Bellême. ===
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yves_de_Bell%C3%AAme

1. Godehilde du Maine d'alencon de Belleme, b. 930 in Maine-et-Loire, Pays de la Loire, France     d. 27 OCT 1035 in France
2. Guillaume de Bellême, b. 965 in Berd'huis, Orne, Normandie, France     d. 1030 in Domfront, Normandie, France

1. Title: Yves de Creil de Massey, the First
   Author: https://psyche-ontology.com/Yves-de-Creil-de-Massey-the-First
   Publication: Name: https://psyche-ontology.com/Yves-de-Creil-de-Massey-the-First;
   
2. Title: Yves De Creil, "Find A Grave Index"
   Author: "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVKJ-8XQW : 24 May 2022), Yves De Creil, ; Burial, , ; citing record ID 50350945, Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.
   Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVKJ-8XQW;
   
3. Title: Wikipedia, Yves de Creil
   Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yves_de_Creil;
   
4. Title: Godehilde Hugonides WIFE of Yves 2nd, who was the SON of Fulcoin
   Author: https://gw.geneanet.org/zardoz?lang=en&iz=1542&p=godehilde&n=hugonides&oc=1
   Publication: Name: https://gw.geneanet.org/zardoz?lang=en&iz=1542&p=godehilde&n=hugonides&oc=1;
   Note: Family Group Sheet for: Godehilde Hugonides WIFE of Yves 2nd, who was the SON of Fulcoin
   Page: Carolingian In-law.
   
5. Title: Godehilde Hugonides WIFE of Yves 2nd, who was the SON of Fulcoin
   Author: https://syntropy.site/Godehilde-Hugonides
   Publication: Name: https://syntropy.site/Godehilde-Hugonides;
   
6. Title: Yves 2nd de Bellême at the Cruel Front, Lord of Alençon
   Author: https://gw.geneanet.org/zardoz?lang=en&iz=1542&p=yves&n=de+belleme
   Publication: Name: https://gw.geneanet.org/zardoz?lang=en&iz=1542&p=yves&n=de+belleme;
   Note: DETAILED FAMILY GROUP SHEET FOR: Yves 2nd de Bellême at the Front Cruel, Lord of Bellême (about 940-997), Lord of Alençon.
   Page: Descendants of the First Yves de Creil
   
7. Title: Ancestry Family Trees
   Author: Ancestry Family Tree
   
8. Title: Web: Netherlands, GenealogieOnline Trees Index, 1000-Current
   Publication: Name: https://search.ancestry.com/collections/9289/records/32679981;
   
9. Title: Millennium File
   Publication: Name: https://search.ancestry.com/collections/7249/records/10793426;
   
10. Title: Yves the 3rd de Belleme, who was the Bishop of Sees
    Author: https://psyche-ontology.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Yves-3rd-de-Belleme-Bishop-of-Sees.pdf
    Publication: Name: https://psyche-ontology.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Yves-3rd-de-Belleme-Bishop-of-Sees.pdf;
    Note: This shows the pedigree of Yves the 3rd de Belleme, who was the Bishop of Sees.
    Page: Descendants of Yves de Creil
    
11. Title: SEIGNEURS d'ALENÇON (SEIGNEURS de BELLÊME)
    Publication: Name: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMAN%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc384196770;
    Note: IVES [de Creil] . Guillaume of Jumièges records that Louis IV King of the West Franks, after the death of Richard´s father, marched on Rouen, was received by “Rodulphus et Bernardus atque Anslech totius Normannici ducatus tutores”, and captured Richard, who was taken to Laon but was freed by “Osmundus...consilio cum Yvone patre Willelmi de Belismo” and taken to “Silvanectis” where “Bernardus...comes” protected “nepotem suum Richardum”[11]. If correctly reported, this event must be dated to [942/43]. Orderic Vitalis reports the same event, recording that "Osmundus, pueri pædagogus, per Ivonem de Credolio, regis balistarium" freed the captive[12], but makes no connection with Guillaume de Bellême. Le Prévost suggests that “Credolio” in this passage was Creil near Senlis. Seigneur de Bellême {Mortagne, Orne}, du Saosnais, du Passais et de Sées. "Ivo...in castro meo Bellismo" founded Notre-Dame de Bellême, for the souls of himself "conjugisque mee Godehildis, sive filiis meis vel genitoribus meis", by undated charter[13]. André de Fleury´s Vita Gauzlini records that “Ivo Belesmensis” donated “Magniacum” to Fleury, but that after his death “Willelmus eius filius” reclaimed the property[14]. This passage has been taken in secondary sources as indicating that Ives died after [1005], when Gaucelin became abbot of Fleury. However, it is not evident from the text that Ives made his donation during the abbacy of Gaucelin, rather it may have been the diversion of the property by his son which took place while Gaucelin was abbot. From a chronological point of view, it would be surprising if Ives was still alive in [1005], assuming that the reports of Guillaume de Jumiéges and Orderic Vitalis, quoted above, accurately report his participation in events in [942/43]. [m firstly ---. This first marriage is suggested by the distinction between “soror” and “germana”, terms used by Ives’s son Avesgaud to describe his two sisters in the charter dated [1100] quoted below. Use of both terms in ther same document suggests that a distinction was intended. If that is correct, Avesgaud’s “soror” Hildeburge would have been born from a different marriage of his father, whereas his “germana” Godehildis would have been his full sister. Another possibility is that the two terms were used indiscriminately by the author of the document to add literary variety to his text and were not intended to indicate different meanings.] m [secondly] GODEHILDIS, daughter of ---. "Ivo" founded Notre-Dame de Bellême, for the souls of himself "conjugisque mee Godehildis, sive filiis meis vel genitoribus meis", by undated charter, confirmed after his death by "Willelmus et Godehildis mater mea"[15]. The Actus pontificum Cenomannis records the installation of [her son] "Avesgaudus, nepos ipsius" as Bishop of Le Mans after the death of "Segenfrido" (in [997])[16]. This suggests that Godehildis may have been the sister of Bishop Seinfrid. Ives & his [first/second] wife had one child: a) HILDEBURGE de Bellême
    
12. Title: Yves De Creil, "Find A Grave Index"
    Author: "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVKJ-8XQ4 : 24 May 2022), Yves De Creil, ; Burial, , ; citing record ID 50353901, Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.
    Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVKJ-8XQ4;
    
13. Title: Millennium File
    Publication: Name: https://search.ancestry.com/collections/7249/records/10793426;
    
14. Title: Web: Netherlands, GenealogieOnline Trees Index, 1000-Current
    Publication: Name: https://search.ancestry.com/collections/9289/records/32679981;
    
15. Title: Yves 2nd de Bellême at the Cruel Front, Lord of Alençon
    Author: https://gw.geneanet.org/zardoz?lang=en&iz=1542&p=yves&n=de+belleme
    Publication: Name: https://gw.geneanet.org/zardoz?lang=en&iz=1542&p=yves&n=de+belleme;