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Audacri de Flandre
- Preferred Name: Audacri de Flandre[1] [2] [3] [4]
- Gender: M
- FSID: 9CNY-VTS
- Death: 864 in Harelbeke, Flandre occidentale, Belgique at LATI: N0.8574 LONG: E0.3124
- Birth: 810 in Flanders, Nord, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France at LATI: N0.5328 LONG: E0.1366
- Burial: in Harelbeke, Flanders (now Belgium) at LATI: N0.96 LONG: E0.21
- Occupation: Forester of the Woods
- Notes:
=== Life Sketch ===
Odacre, also spelled Audacer, Odoacer, and Odoscer, believed to be the son of Ingelram (Engelran, Enguerrand, Ingeleannus) and his wife (name not known). He was born between 800 and 810 and died in 837 at the age of 27 or 37. The Cartulaire de Saint-Bertin records his death in 837. The 'Annales Blandinienses' records his death in 836 specifying that he was buried at "Arlabeka. This makes it likely that he died in early March of 837, because of the way the calendar was then calculated with the year beginning March 25th not Jan 1st.
Although the wife of Odacre is not known, they are believed to be the parents of Baldwin I, also known as Baudouin, born between 830 and 837. Odacre is believed to have died when his son was still very young, too young to rule. It is not known who ruled Flanders between Odacre's death and the time his son was appointed.
There are very few sources for Odacer/Audacer/Odoacer
It seems certain that he was the father of Baldwin I, other than that most historians/professional genealogists seem to agree that all other family relationships are fabricated.
The only child associated with Odacer is Baldwin I aka Baudouin.
Ingelram and Lidéric were probably real individuals, however, there is no evidence that they were the ancestors of Odacer and Baldwin I. It appears that they were written into an elaborate thirteenth century story to provided Baldwin with three generations of ancestry.
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The Legendary Ancestors of Baldwin of Flanders
No contemporary source gives the parentage of Baldwin I of Flanders. However, by the the late thirteenth century, an elaborate story had developed which provided Baldwin with three generations of ancestry back to a certain Lidéric, who was then said to be the first "forester" of Flanders, followed in the same position by his son Ingelram, grandson Audacer, and great-grandson Baldwin, who then became the first count of Flanders. Widely accepted in earlier times, these legends have been correctly rejected by modern scholarship. Fortunately, the surviving rescensions of the genealogies of the counts of Flanders allow us to see some of the stages by which this legendary scenario developed, and even though a careful examination of these shows us that Ingelram and probably also Lidéric were real individuals, the alleged descent of Baldwin I from them must be discarded.
Much of the early development of the legend appears in the various works edited under the collective title of Genealogiae Comitum Flandriae [MGH SS 9: 302-336, here abbreviated Gen. Com. Fland.], a collection of nine items (identified here by Roman numerals I-IX) written by various authors over a period of several hundred years, having in common that they involve the genealogy or succession of the counts of Flanders. The two earliest parts, dating from the tenth century, say nothing about the parentage of Baldwin I [I. Witger, Genealogia Arnulfi comitis (pp. 302-4, also an important source for later Carolingian genealogy); II. De Arnulfo comite (p. 304)]. However, Witger was emphasizing the Carolingian ancestry of count Arnulf I, and De Arnulfo comite was concerned only with certain close relatives of Arnulf I, so the fact that they do not mention the parentage of Baldwin I does not mean that they did not know it.
The earliest source giving Baldwin's supposed genealogy back to Lidéric is Genealogia comitum Flandriae Bertiniana [Gen. Com. Fland. III, pp. 305-8], which states that Lidricus, count of Harlebeck, was father of Ingelrannus, who was father of Audacrus, who was father of Balduinus Ferreus ["Lidricus Harlebeccensis comes genuit Ingelrannum. Ingelrannus genuit Audacrum. Audacer genuit Balduinum Ferreum, qui duxit filiam Karoli Calvi nomine Iudith." MGH SS 9: 305]. In his introduction to this work, Bethmann dates this version to the reign of count Robert II (1093-1111) [MGH SS 9: 305], but the existence of two different versions which diverge after Baldwin V suggests an earlier version composed under Baldwin V or Baldwin VI [see MGH SS 9: 306]. As discussed in more detail below, later versions of Gen. Com. Fland. added major elaborations to this account.
However, Genealogia comitum Flandriae Bertiniana is not the earliest source to mention Lidéric. That honor goes to Annales Blandinienses, which, under the year 836, in an eleventh century hand, states that "Lidricus comes obiit", followed by "et Arlabeka sepelitur" added in a twelfth century hand [Grierson (1937a), 11; Annales Blandinienses has also been edited by Ludwig Bethmann in MGH SS 5: 20-34, but the fact that "et Arlabeka sepelitur" was in a later hand is not indicated]. One of the sources used by the Annales Blandinienses as we have them today was an earlier version of the same annals from the middle of the tenth century, called the tenth century Annales Blandinienses by Grierson (1937a), which were also used as a source by Annales Elmarenses, Annales Formosolenses, and Annales Elnonenses. These annals are also edited in Grierson (1937a). Annales Elmarenses were first edited by Grierson, while Monumenta Germaniae Historica contains editions of Annales Formosolenses by Bethmann [MGH SS 5: 34-6] and of Annales Elnonenses by Pertz [MGH SS 5: 10-20, with the entries in one twelfth century hand separated and edited as Annales Elnonenses minores (pp.17-20), and the remaining annals edited as Annales Elnonenses maiores (pp. 11-17)]. The Annales Blandinienses also mention Ingelram and Audacer, but with an important difference: although the affiliation of Audacer as father of Baldwin is given, no genealogical affiliations are given for Lidéric or Ingelram. The Chronicon Vedastinum, discussed in more detail under Audacer below, is another relatively early source which gives the name of Baldwin's father without showing any knowledge of his alleged earlier ancestors. This indicates an earlier tradition in which the name of the father of Baldwin I was regarded as known, but in which there is no evidence that any earlier generations in the genealogy were known.
From this, along with the more detailed individual discussions for Lidéric, Ingelram, and Audacer which appear below, two major points emerge:
No later than the middle of the eleventh century (and probably as early as the tenth), there were local annalists who believed that Baldwin's father was named Audacer/Odoacer, but who did not indicate any significant details about the latter, or any knowledge of genealogical affiliations for Lidéric or Ingelram.
The chronology indicated for Lidéric and Ingelram (whose career overlaps ignificantly with that of Baldwin I), as shown by these early sources, does not fit well with the claim that they were respectively great-grandfather and grandfather of Baldwin I of Flanders.
The natural conclusion is that the name of the father of Baldwin I belongs to an earlier level of the tradition, while the alleged affiliation of Lidéric and Ingelram to Audacer and Baldwin is a later invention, made when the genealogists were seeking to extend the ancestry beyond Baldwin's father, and found two usable names for that purpose in their sources. Although not supported by contemporary evidence, the name of Baldwin's father can be accepted as probable, but the genealogical links to Ingelram and Lidéric need to be rejected as later inventions, even though we can probably accept Lidéric's existence (as we certainly can for Ingelram)
https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/baldw001.htm
The First Foster-The account of the early origins of the family by W. T. Foster "The Foster Famil
About 800 A.D. the King of Denmark became oppressive, exacting high taxes from the nobles and their subjects. The Roman Empire about this time was crumbling and could not defend its provinces. The c
=== [Greene.FTW] [INDIV2.DAT] Governor of F ===
[Greene.FTW] [INDIV2.DAT] Governor of Flanders; some say cognomen [surname] of Baldwin I. Source: Ahnentafel for Edward III of England; Dee, Danielle Marie. AOLuser Dani Dee. Fil e uploaded to AOL "Van Arsdale/Crawford/Hayes"(danidee.zip) on Nov 29, 1994; Buell001.zip; [ kinfolk2.GED]; Susan Shannon, Susanorl@sundial.net;http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/n/a/susan-h-sh anno n/
=== !"Our Plafs Roots Are True" A Genealogy ===
!"Our Plafs Roots Are True" A Genealogy of Kochert and Nieb Families, by Ethel Clift Philips, Published 1983. The information in the book is derived from church records of Rumbach and Family records. !Source is from "Neuhart Nobility", by Dennis Allen Kastens -1997. page 183. !Source Dictionary of Royal Linage, by C.M.Allstrom, 1904.
=== ! FHL #0896884 FOSTER GENEALOGY BY FREDE ===
! FHL #0896884 FOSTER GENEALOGY BY FREDERICK CLIFTOM PIERCE
=== Naissance : vers 830 ou plutôt vers 815 ===
Naissance : vers 830 ou plutôt vers 815 Profession : Roi des Morins.
=== Hazeltine Papers Vol. 444 Gen. society ===
Hazeltine Papers Vol. 444 Gen. society of Penn. Anacher Great Forester of Flanders died 837
=== Ref; New England Families Genealogical a ===
Ref; New England Families Genealogical and Memorial: Third Series, Volume IV, Pg. 2001, has refernece to Foster Anarcher, Great Forster, of Flanders, died A. D. 837,
=== #Générale# Naissance : vers 830 ou plut ===
#Générale# Naissance : vers 830 ou plutôt vers 815 Roi des Morins.
=== OCCUPATION: Count of Flanders ===
OCCUPATION: Count of Flanders
===
Odoscer (Odacre) II Count of Flanders ( ===
Odoscer (Odacre) II Count of Flanders (810-864) Living
Person identifier: KXRL-59W
=== BIRTH: LDS Ancestor file - Doc. AFN00031 ===
BIRTH: LDS Ancestor file - Doc. AFN000311 Birth: About 810; Of,Flanders,Nord Dept.,France
=== !Surname also spelled Flandres Internet ===
!Surname also spelled Flandres Internet Family Search Ancestral File as of 4-28-1999 AFN:
=== Lillian Etters via Prodigy 4/91 states ===
Lillian Etters via Prodigy 4/91 states some Belgian records give him as Ogier or Odacre von Laon, Conte Harlebec, who married the daughter of Anselme de St. Paul and de St. Omer. He is son of Ingelram, Comte de Harlebec, died 877/9, envoy to the Gauls of King Charles II; Ingelram is son of Liedereck or Lyderic de Harlbec "the Forrester of Lotharn" who made him a count for coming to his aid in a fight; he m. Fladrine, a German woman. Liedereck's father is not known, but Liederick's grandfather is Lideric a Forrester in Ardennen/Flanders, first Count, who died in 648 and m. in 641 Rotilde, daughter of Dagobert I and Nautilde. AEM takes this line with a grain of salt.} (source: Albert E. Meyers database, aem@ezonline.com, http://www.ezonline.com/aem/aem.html) Lillian Etters via Prodigy 4/91 states some Belgian records give him as Ogier or Odacre von Laon, Conte Harlebec, who married the daughter of Anselme de St. Paul and de St. Omer. He is son of Ingelram, Comte de Harlebec, died 877/9, envoy to the Gauls of King Charles II; Ingelram is son of Liedereck or Lyderic de Harlbec "the Forrester of Lotharn" who made him a count for coming to his aid in a fight; he m. Fladrine, a German woman. Liedereck's father is not known, but Liederick's grandfather is Lideric a Forrester in Ardennen/Flanders, first Count, who died in 648 and m. in 641 Rotilde, daughter of Dagobert I and Nautilde. AEM takes this line with a grain of salt.} (source: Albert E. Meyers database, aem@ezonline.com, http://www.ezonline.com/aem/aem.html)
=== !Name,son,Bd,pla,Bap,End-TIB FHL 884549 ===
!Name,son,Bd,pla,Bap,End-TIB FHL 884549
=== !GENERAL:Pedigree Resource File CD 4, Pe ===
!GENERAL:Pedigree Resource File CD 4, Pedigree Resource File CD 4, (Salt Lake City, UT: Intellectual Reserve, Inc., 1999) !GENERAL:Ancestral File (TM), Ancestral File (TM), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, June 1998 (c), data as of 5 JAN 1998 Repository: Family History Library 35 N West Temple Street Salt Lake City, UT 84150 USA !GENERAL:Ancestral File (TM), Ancestral File (TM), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, June 1998 (c), data as of 5 JAN 1998 Repository: Family History Library 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, UT 84150 USA !GENERAL:Ancestral File (TM), Ancestral File (TM), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, June 1998 (c), data as of 5 JAN 1998 Repository: Family History Library 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, UT 84150 USA
=== 33903812. Odakar-III-De-Flandres, born 8 ===
33903812. Odakar-III-De-Flandres, born 815 in Flandres Orientales, Belgique; died 863 in Flandres Orientales, Belgique. He was the son of
67807624. Waltberg-De-Stennland. He married 33903813. Anséline-De-Flandres.
33903813. Anséline-De-Flandres, born 820. She was the daughter of 67807626. Ingelram-II-De-Flandres.
Plus de trois milles ans d'ancêtres
147
Child of Odakar-III-De-Flandres and Anséline-De-Flandres is:
16951906 i. Baudouin-Bras-De-Fer-De-Flandres, born
Hij was afkomstig uit een kennelijk in Laon gevestigd geslacht.
=== !Royal Ancestors of Some LDS Families by ===
!Royal Ancestors of Some LDS Families by Michel L.Call. Ancestry and Progentry of Captain James Blount - Immigrant, by Robert F.Pfafman, p E-31.
=== aka "Odacre" ===
aka "Odacre"
=== !Royal Ancestors. !WFT Vol 5, Tree #1350 ===
!Royal Ancestors. !WFT Vol 5, Tree #1350.
=== !SOURCE: ANCESTRAL FILE VERSION 4.13 ===
!SOURCE: ANCESTRAL FILE VERSION 4.13
=== !Royal Ancestors of Some LDS Families b ===
!Royal Ancestors of Some LDS Families by Michel L. Call. Ancestry and Progentry of Captain James Blount - Immigrant , by Robert F. Pfafman, p E-31.
=== Royal Ancestry Biography of Daughter-in-law. ===
“Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
“JUDITH OF FRANCE, born about 844. She married (1st) at Verberie near Senlis 1 October 856 ÆTHELWULF, King of the West Saxons, son of Egbert, King of Wessex, by his wife, Redburge. They had no issue. He died 13 Jan. 858. She married (2nd) in 858 ÆTHELBALD, King of the West Saxons, son of Aethelwulf, King of Wessex, by his wife, Osburga. They had no issue. He died 22 Dec. 860. She married (3rd) at Auxerre in 862 (before 23 Nov.) BAUDOUIN I Bras de Fer, Count/Marquis of Flanders, before 862-879, Lay-abbot of Saint-Pierre, Ghent, 870, son of Audacer (or Odoacre), King of Morins. They had three sons, Charles, Baldwin (II) [Count/Marquis of Flanders], and Raoul [Count of Vermandois], and one daughter, (nun at Laon). His wife, Queen Judith, died after 870. BAUDOUIN I, Count/Marquis of Flanders, died at Arras in 879, and was buried in the abbey of Saint-Bertin, Saint-Omer.
Histoire des Combos de Flandre (1698): 8-12. Panckoucke Abrégé Chronologique de l'Histoire de Flandre (1762): 1-7. Galopin Historiae Flandricae (1781): 5. Wauters Table Chronologique des Chartes et Diplômes Imprimés 17 (1866): xxxvii, xxxviii, xlv, 210, 246-248, 251, 254, 261, 320, 368, 655. Dümmler Briefe und Verse des neunten Jahrhunderts, Neues Archiv der Gesellschaft für ältere deutsche Geschichtskunde 13 (1888): 344-363. Compte-rendu des Séances de la Commission Royale d'Histoire 5th Ser. 9 (1898): 142-180 (sub Comtes de Flandre). Monumenta Germaniæ Historica: Epistolae VI (1925): 56-57, 186 (Baldwin, Count of Flanders, styled "son-in-law of the king" [generi Regis] in letter dated A.D. 862-875), 272-277, 360-362, 369-372, 412-414. Brandenburg Die Nachkommen Karls des Großen (1935) IV 33. Ganshof Flandre sous les Premiers Comtes (1949): 16. Schwennicke Europäische Stanmtafeln 2 (1984): 1 (sub Kings of the West Franks), 5 (sub Flanders). Winter Descs. of Charlemagne (800-1400) (1987): IV.39, V.47-V.48.”
=== TITL World Family Tree Vol. 4, Ed. 1 AUT ===
TITL World Family Tree Vol. 4, Ed. 1 AUTH Broderbund Software, Inc. PUBL Release date: August 23, 1996 Customer pedigree. REPO CALN MEDI Family Archive CD PAGE Tree #1222 DATA TEXT Date of Import: Aug 19, 1997 TITL pennington.FTW REPO CALN MEDI Other PAGE Tree #1222 DATA TEXT Date of Import: Aug 19, 1997 ALIA /Ingebrain/ TITL World Family Tree Vol. 4, Ed. 1 AUTH Broderbund Software, Inc. PUBL Release date: August 23, 1996 Customer pedigree. REPO CALN MEDI Family Archive CD PAGE Tree #1222 DATA TEXT Date of Import: Aug 19, 1997 TITL pennington.FTW REPO CALN MEDI Other PAGE Tree #1222 DATA TEXT Date of Import: Aug 19, 1997 TITL World Family Tree Vol. 4, Ed. 1 AUTH Broderbund Software, Inc. PUBL Release date: August 23, 1996 Customer pedigree. REPO CALN MEDI Family Archive CD PAGE Tree #1222 DATA TEXT Date of Import: Aug 19, 1997 TITL pennington.FTW REPO CALN MEDI Other PAGE Tree #1222 DATA TEXT Date of Import: Aug 19, 1997 _FA7 PLAC He was also named: Ingebrain TITL pennington.FTW REPO CALN MEDI Other PAGE Tree #1222 DATA TEXT Date of Import: Aug 19, 1997 2 PLAC 34775 2 SOUR S02197 3 DATA 4 TEXT Date of Import: Jan 13, 2002 2 SOUR S06615 3 DATA 4 TEXT Date of Import: Apr 7, 2002 [Fry.FTW] [Bigod.FTW] TITL World Family Tree Vol. 4, Ed. 1 AUTH Broderbund Software, Inc. PUBL Release date: August 23, 1996 Customer pedigree. REPO CALN MEDI Family Archive CD PAGE Tree #1222 DATA TEXT Date of Import: Aug 19, 1997 TITL pennington.FTW REPO CALN MEDI Other PAGE Tree #1222 DATA TEXT Date of Import: Aug 19, 1997 ALIA /Ingebrain/ TITL World Family Tree Vol. 4, Ed. 1 AUTH Broderbund Software, Inc. PUBL Release date: August 23, 1996 Customer pedigree. REPO CALN MEDI Family Archive CD PAGE Tree #1222 DATA TEXT Date of Import: Aug 19, 1997 TITL pennington.FTW REPO CALN MEDI Other PAGE Tree #1222 DATA TEXT Date of Import: Aug 19, 1997 TITL World Family Tree Vol. 4, Ed. 1 AUTH Broderbund Software, Inc. PUBL Release date: August 23, 1996 Customer pedigree. REPO CALN MEDI Family Ar chive CD PAGE Tree #1222 DATA TEXT Date of Import: Aug 19, 1997 TITL pennington.FTW REPO CALN MEDI Other PAGE Tree #1222 DATA TEXT Date of Import: Aug 19, 1997 _FA7 PLAC He was also named: Ingebrain TITL pennington.FTW REPO CALN MEDI Other PAGE Tree #1222 DATA TEXT Date of Import: Aug 19, 1997
=== #Générale# Naissance : vers 830 ou plutô ===
#Générale# Naissance : vers 830 ou plutôt vers 815 Roi des Morins.
=== From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 5 J ===
From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 5 JAN 1998.
=== Sources: RC 235; AF. ===
Sources: RC 235; AF.
=== Anacher was Great Forester on an estate ===
Anacher was Great Forester on an estate and an expert in his line of business. The Great Forester was listed in the Early Foster History as Lyredic, the Great Forester of Flanders, who lived in the time of 800 A.D. THE FOSTER FAMILY, by W.T. FOSTER About 800 a.d. the King of Denmark became oppressive, exacting high taxes from the nobles and their subjects. The Roman Empire about this time was crumbling and could not defend its provinces. The coast of Northern Europe, including England and Scotland, fell an easy prey to these Danish nobles. Much of Germany, France, Spain, Switzerland and Italy were conquered by these Norsemen. One of these Danish nobles, Anacher, organized a conquered territory into a state, and called it Flanders. "He was the ancestor of all Fosters that ever lived," says Frederick Clifton Pierce, the noted Chicago genealogist. Anacher procured large estates near Bruges (now the capital of West Flanders) and also near Sluys, now in Holland. He made Arras, now in France, his capital of Flanders. Charlemagne, with the assistance of Anacher and his army, became the successful defender of Christianity and the Roman Empire from the attacks of the new swarms of Northmen, elevated Anacher to a cabinet position, which Charlemagne called the Great Forester, for Anacher was to have charge of all the wild animals and government lands of France. "This was the origin of the Forrester name, which was later changed to Forester and then later to Foster. Anacher died a.d. 837 and his son took his place. Charlemagne died in 1814."
=== {Lillian Etters via Prodigy 4/91 states ===
{Lillian Etters via Prodigy 4/91 states some Belgian records give him as Ogier or Odacre von Laon, Conte Harlebec, who married the daughter of Anselme de St. Paul and de St. Omer. He is son of Ingelram, Comte de Harlebec, died 877/9, envoy to the Gauls of King Charles II; Ingelram is son of Liedereck or Lyderic de Harlbec "the Forrester of Lotharn" who made him a count for coming to his aid in a fight; he m. Fladrine, a German woman. Liedereck's father is not known, but Liederick's grandfather is Lideric a Forrester in Ardennen/Flanders, first Count, who died in 648 and m. in 641 Rotilde, daughter of Dagobert I and Nautilde. AEM takes this line with a grain of salt.}
=== Ancestral File Number: GS4N-Q3 ===
Ancestral File Number: GS4N-Q3
=== THE PLANTAGENET ANCESTRY (GS NUMBER Q940 ===
THE PLANTAGENET ANCESTRY (GS NUMBER Q940 D2T) P.19; THE GENEALOGICAL HISTORY OF THE CREKE FAMILY (GS NUMBER 929.242 C878C) PEDIGREE NUMBER 44;
Preferred Parents:
Father: Enguerrand de Flanders, b. 780 in Flanders, Nord, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France d. 851 in Flanders, Nord, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France
Mother: Ebertrude de Steenland of Flandres, b. ABT 790 in Europe
Family 1: Anséline de Harlebeque de Therouanne, b. 815 in Saint-Omer, Normandy, France d. environ 0860 in Sabran, Gard, Occitanie, France
- m. 837 in French Flanders, France
- Baudouin de Flandre I, b. AUG 838 in Flanders, Nord, Nord-Pas-De-Calais, France d. 2 JAN 879 in Saint-Omer, Pas-de-Calais, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France
Sources:
- Title: Millenium Files: ancestry.com
Author: Millennium File (data base online) Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Original data: Heritage Consulting. The Millennium File, Salt Lake City, UT, USA: Heritage Consulting.
Publication: Name: http://www.ancestry.com;
Note: Name and birth information for Count Odacer born 0805 Death Date 0864. Father Count Enguerrand, Children: Baldwin Baudouin l "Baas De Fer" (Count of Flanders)
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Page: Contains the name, children and parents for Odacre as well as birth information
- Title: Legacy NFS Source: Odacre De Fleming - birth: about 0810; Nord, France
Author: World Family Tree Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Brøderbund Software, Inc., Release date: November 29, 1995, Not Given, Page number: Tree #1822
Note: birth: about 0810; Nord, France
Customer pedigree.
Customer pedigree.
death:
Customer pedigree.
Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2554080695
- Title: ODACRE in 'Counts of Flanders ORIGINS' - Foundation for Medieval Genealogy
Publication: Name: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FLANDERS,%20HAINAUT.htm#_Toc62122687;
Note: [LIDERIC, son of --- (-[808 or 817], bur Harlebeke). The existence of Lideric is unknown and, if he did exist, his origin uncertain. The Chronica Monasterii Sancti Bertini records that, when the Saracens came from Spain "ad Eudonis mandatum" (referring to Eudes Duke of Aquitaine, whose death is dated to [735]), "miles…iuvenis christianus partibus Ulixibone seu Portugallie, regia stirpe progenitus, Liedricus", from whom "Flandrie comites" descended, joined forces with Charles "Martel", maior domus of Austrasia and Neustria. The Chronica specifies that Lideric served under Charles "Martel" and his son Pepin King of the Franks, and that later he was given "terram Flandrie" by "Karolus Magnus"[17]. The Introduction to the MGH Scriptores edition of the Chronica dates the work to the third quarter of the 14th century and traces some of the earlier primary sources on which it is based[18]. There is no indication whether the passage recording the alleged Iberian origin of Lideric was based on an earlier source which has since disappeared. It is impossible to assess the accuracy of the report on the basis of this limited amount of information. If it is correct, Lideric would presumably have been of Visigothic ancestry. The death of the last Visigothic king in Iberia is dated to 711. There appears to be no record of later aristocratic families having established themselves along the western coast of the Iberian peninsula before the mid-9th century[19]. It is interesting to note that a root similar to "-ric" (in the name "Lideric") is reflected in the names of the later Iberian Visigothic kings Witeric, Recared and Recimir. Whatever the accuracy of the passage, there is clear chronological confusion about the events recorded in the Chronica, assuming that Lideric's date of death as shown above is accurate. The Annals of St Bavo record that "Lydricus comes Arlebeccensis comitatum Flandrie suscepit" in 794[20]. The Annals do not refer to Lideric's origin, although this is not surprising as they list most events in truncated form and with numerous long gaps in the chronology of events recorded. The Annals are, however, extremely selective in the non-ecclesiastical events they record. The reference to Lideric is the only direct report concerning a lay person between the start of the 8th century and 937, indicating how significant the event must have been considered in the monastic records, which in turn suggests that Lideric's existence may have been factual. Lambert's Genealogia Comitum Flandriæ, dated to the early 12th century, records that "Lidricus Harlebeccensis comes" occupied Flanders, finding it "empty, uncultivated and well-wooded", in 792[21]. The Cartulaire de Saint-Bertin records the death in 808 of "Lidericus Harlebecanus…prefectus", naming him first in the list of rulers of Flanders[22]. The Annales Formoselenses record the death in 817 of "Lidricus comes" and his burial at "Harlabecce"[23]. The Annales Blandinienses record the death in 836 of "Lidricus comes" specifying that he was buried at "Arlabeka"[24]. The last date falls well outside the likely period of Lideric's active career, which probably covered the later decades of the 8th century and the early 9th century, assuming that he existed at all. It is therefore probable that the event is misdated, or that the Annales Blandinienses intended to refer to Odacre, supposed grandson of Lideric.]
m ---. The name and origin of the wife of Lideric are unknown. The Chronica Monasterii Sancti Bertini refers to the marriage of "miles…Liedricus" and "filiam Gerardi de Rossilione"[25], but as the existence of Gérard de Roussillon cannot be confirmed in other primary sources this appears to be pure invention.
[Lideric & his wife had one child]:
1. [ENGUERRAND ([760/80]-825). The Genealogia Comitum Flandriæ Bertiniana, dated to the second decade of the 12th century, names "Ingelramnum" as son of "Lidricus Harlebeccensis comes"[26]. Lambert's Genealogia Comitum Flandriæ, also dated to the early 12th century, names "Ingelramnus comitem" as son of "Lidricus Harlebeccensis comes"[27]. The Chronica Monasterii Sancti Bertini names "Ingelramnum, militem probum et prudentem" as son of "miles…Liedricus" and his wife, noting that he succeeded his father in Flanders[28]. His wide birth date range shown above is estimated by working backwards from the estimated birth date range of his supposed grandson Count Baudouin I. The Cartulaire de Saint-Bertin records the death in 825 of "Engerranus Harlebecanus etiam saltuarius", naming him second in its list of rulers of Flanders (without the title count), although it does not specify that Lideric was his father[29]. Stewart Baldwin, in his detailed analysis of the alleged ancestors of Baudouin I Count of Flanders referred to in the Introduction to the present document, suggests that there is confusion between this Count Enguerrand and the Count Enguerrand who is named in several different contemporary sources between 853 and 875[30]. The editor of the MGH Scriptores series suggests that the later references "cannot be other than to the son of Lideric"[31]. However, this is impossible chronologically, assuming that the genealogy as set out in this document is correct. The only likely possibilities appear to be either that the earlier Enguerrand did not exist at all or that there were two individuals with the same name. The later Enguerrand and his family are shown in the document CAROLINGIAN NOBILITY. m ---. The name and origin of the wife of Enguerrand are unknown. Enguerrand & his wife had one child]:
a) [ODACRE [Audacer/Odoscer] ([800/10]-837). The Genealogia Comitum Flandriæ Bertiniana, dated to the second decade of the 12th century, names "Audacrum" as son of "Ingelrannus"[32]. Lambert's Genealogia Comitum Flandriæ, also dated to the early 12th century, names "Audacer" as son of "Ingelramnus comitem"[33]. His birth date range is estimated on the basis of the estimated birth date range of his son. The Cartulaire de Saint-Bertin records the death in 837 of "Audacer item saltuarius", naming him third in its list of rulers of Flanders (without the title count), although it does not specify that Enguerrand was his father[34]. It is interesting to note that this list makes no mention of who ruled Flanders between the death of Odacre and the appointment of his son Baudouin as count. The Annales Blandinienses record the death in 836 of "Lidricus comes", specifying that he was buried at "Arlabeka"[35]. As mentioned above, it is unlikely that this entry refers to Lideric, assuming that it is correctly dated, and may be an error for Odacre.] m ---. The name and origin of the wife of Odacre are unknown. Odacre & his wife had [one] child:
i) [BAUDOUIN ([830/37]-Arras 879, bur Abbaye de Saint-Bertin near Saint-Omer). The Genealogia Comitum Flandriæ Bertiniana, dated to the second decade of the 12th century, names "Balduinum Ferreum" as son of "Audacer"[36]. He was granted the “pagus Flandrensis” in 863, becoming known to later history as BAUDOUIN I “der Gute/Ferreus/der Eisenarme” Count of Flanders.]
- see below, Part B.
1. ODACRE [Audacer] (-after [Jan/Feb] 802). The Annales Laurissenses name "Grahamannus et Audacrus" as royal missi who were present at the third battle between the Bavarians and the Avars "in campo Iboso" in 788, defeating the invaders[37]. A list of Saxons in Ostphalia dated Jan/Feb 802 records that "Vulferi filium Sieri habuit Audracus comis", presumably indicating that the last named had responsibility for the allegiance sworn to the emperor by the first-named[38]. The similarity of this name to that of the supposed father of Baudouin I Count of Flanders (see above) suggests that a family connection.
Page: Identifies Odacre as: - the father of BAUDOUIN ([830/37]-Arras 879) Birth date between 800 and 810 Death date about 837 at the age of 27 to 37 **Although it names ENGUERRAND ([760/80]-825) as the 'reported' father of Odacre implies this relationship is unlikely
- Title: Odacre in the record of BAUDOUIN, son of [ODACRE [Audacer or Odoscer] - Foundation for Medieval Genealogy
Publication: Name: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FLANDERS,%20HAINAUT.htm#BaudouinIdied879B;
Note: B. COUNTS of FLANDERS [863]-1128
BAUDOUIN, son of [ODACRE [Audacer or Odoscer] & his wife ---] ([830/37]-Arras 879, bur Abbaye de Saint-Bertin near Saint-Omer[39]). The Genealogia Comitum Flandriæ Bertiniana, dated to the second decade of the 12th century, names "Balduinum Ferreum" as son of "Audacer"[40]. The Genealogia Comitum Flandriæ names "Balduinum Ferreum" as son of "Audacer"[41]. He is named as son of Audacer in the list of counts of Flanders recorded in the Cartulaire de Saint-Bertin, which records his year of death and place of burial[42]. His birth date range is estimated on the assumption that he was a young adult at the time of his marriage, which means that he must have been a child when his father died. He eloped with his future wife around Christmas 861. The Annales Blandinienses name "Baldwinum Ferreum filium Audacri" and "Balduvinus filius Audacri" when recording (respectively) his abduction of his wife in 862 and his death in 879[43]. He was granted the “pagus Flandrensis” in 863, and shortly after Ternois, Waas and the lay abbacy of St Peter of Gent[44], although the primary sources on which this is based have not yet been identified. He is known to history as BAUDOUIN I “der Gute/Ferreus/der Eisenarme” Count of Flanders, but it is improbable that he was referred to as such by contemporaries. An agreement dated 14 Jun 877 of Emperor Charles II "le Chauve", presumably written with his own death in mind, names "…ex comitibus aut Tedericus, aut Balduinus, sive Chuonradus, seu Adalelmus" as those willing to support the emperor's son[45]. The Annales Blandinienses record the death in 879 of "Balduvinus, filius Audacri", specifying that he was buried at "Blandinie"[46]. According to legend, he built the church of St Donatien ("Sint Donaatskapittel") at Bruges.
m (Auxerre 13 Dec 862) as her third husband, JUDITH, widow firstly of ÆTHELWULF King of Wessex and secondly of ÆTHELBALD King of Wessex, daughter of CHARLES II “le Chauve” King of the West Franks [Carolingian] & his first wife Ermentrudis [d'Orléans] ([844]-after [870]). She is named as wife of Baudouin in the list of counts of Flanders recorded in the Cartulaire de Saint-Bertin, which also names her parents and her three sons[47]. She and her father are named by Roger of Hoveden when he records her marriage to King Æthelwulf[48]. Asser records that "Iuthittam, Karoli Francorum regis filiam" married "Æthelbald filius eius [=Æthelwulfo rege]" after the death of her first husband, commenting that it was "cum magna ab omnibus audientibus infamia"[49]. Roger of Hoveden also records this second marriage of Judith[50]. Flodoard names "Balduini comitis et Iudita…Karoli regis filia, Edilvulfo regi Anglorum qui et Edelboldus in matrimonium"[51]. The Genealogica Arnulfi Comitis names (in order) "Iudith et Hildegardim, Hirmintrudim et Gislam" as the four daughters of "Karolus imperator…ex Hyrmentrudi regina", specifying that Judith married "Balduinus comes"[52]. The Annales Bertiniani record that Judith returned to her father after the death of her second husband, lived at Senlis "sub tuitione paterna", and from there was abducted by "Balduinum comitem" with the consent of her brother Louis, her father consenting to the marriage the following year[53]. The Annales Elnonenses Minores record the marriage in 862 of "Balduinus, Odacri filius" and "Iudith, Caroli regis filiam"[54]. The preceding information is pulled together by the Genealogia Comitum Flandriæ which names "Iudith vidua Adelbaldi regis Anglorum, filia Karoli Calvi regis Francorum" as the wife of "Balduinum Ferreum"[55]. No information has been found in the primary sources so far consulted which throws light on the possible date of death of Judith, although it is unlikely that she died before about 870 at the earliest, assuming that she was the mother of all the children who are named below.
Count Baudouin I & his wife had [five] children:
1. CHARLES ([864/65]-young). "Karolus brevis vite" is named as first of the three sons of Baudouin and his wife Judith in the list of counts of Flanders recorded in the Cartulaire de Saint-Bertin[56]. It is assumed that Charles died young as no other reference to him has been found.
2. BAUDOUIN ([865/67]-[10 Sep] 918, bur St Bertin, transferred 929 to Gent, St Pieter). He is named as second of the three sons of Baudouin and his wife Judith in the list of counts of Flanders recorded in the Cartulaire de Saint-Bertin[57]. He succeeded his father in 879 as BAUDOUIN II "le Chauve" Count of Flanders. According to Rösch, Baudouin II was nicknamed after his maternal grandfather although it is surprising that such a personal nickname could be so transmitted[58]. From his succession, he came under great pressure from Viking raids, and took refuge in the marshes of Saint-Omer in 883[59]. Baudouin II expanded his territories by occupying the pagi of Mempisc, Courtrai and the Ijzer, seizing control of the counties of Ternois and Boulonnais after 892 as well as the Tournaisis (except for the town of Tournai)[60]. Although Count Baudouin at first supported the election of Eudes as king of France in 888, the latter opposed the count's becoming lay-abbot of St Bertin (in 892, in succession to abbot Rudolf[61]) and pursued the count to Bruges, although the king was unable to capture the town. The Annales Vedastini record the death "Non Ian 892" of "Rodulfus abba", that "castellani Egfridum comitem" was sent to announce the news to the king, and that in his absence "Balduinum a Flandris…per consilium Evreberti qui nimis fuerat versutissimus" seized the abbacy against the wishes of the king who had promised it to Egfrid[62]. The Annales Vedastini record that "Balduinus" captured Artois in 892[63]. Count Baudouin supported the coronation of Charles III "le Simple" as king of the West Franks in 895, but afterwards supported Zwentibold Duke of Lotharingia. The Annales Vedastini name "Balduinus…comes et Rodulfus frater eius necnon et Ragnerus" when recording that they joined Zwentibold in 895[64]. Baudouin II invaded Péronne in 899[65] and attacked Vermandois, Artois and Boulogne, but was driven out of Vermandois by 900, although he reconquered it and killed Héribert II Comte de Vermandois in revenge for the death of his brother Raoul[66]. Count Baudouin also controlled the abbeys of St Vaast and St Bertin. The Annales Blandinienses record the death in 918 of "Balduvinus comes", specifying that he was buried at "Blandinio"[67]. An undated charter, dated to [962], recording the last wishes of "marchysi Arnulfi", notes that "pater meus et mater mea" were buried in the abbey of Saint-Pierre de Gand[68]. His territories were divided between his two sons on his death[69]. m ([893/99]) ÆLFTHRYTH of Wessex, daughter of ALFRED King of Wessex & his wife Ealhswith of the Gainas ([877]-7 Jun 929, bur Gent, St Pieter). "Elfthtritham" is named by Roger of Hoveden, third in his list of King Alfred's daughters by Queen Ealhswith[70]. She is called "Æthelswitha" by Asser[71]. "Elftrudis" is named as wife of Count Baudouin II in the Cartulaire de Saint-Bertin without giving her origin[72]. The Genealogia Comitum Flandriæ names "filia Edgeri regis Anglorum, nomine Elferudem" as the wife of "Balduinus Calvus"[73], although "Edgeri" is clearly an error for "Alfredi". This marriage represented the start of a long-lasting alliance between England and Flanders, founded on their common interest in preventing Viking settlements along the coast. "Elstrudis comitissa…cum filiis suis Arnulfo et Adelolfo" donated "hereditatem suam Liefsham…in terra Anglorum in Cantia" to Saint-Pierre de Gand, for the soul of "senioris sui Baldwini", by charter dated 11 Sep 918[74]. The Annales Blandinienses record the death in 929 of "filia regis Elftrudis comitissa"[75]. The Memorial of "Elstrudis…Balduini…domini" records her death "VII Iunii"[76]. An undated charter, dated to [962], recording the last wishes of "marchysi Arnulfi", notes that "pater meus et mater mea" were buried in the abbey of Saint-Pierre de Gand[77]. Count Baudouin II & his wife had [five] children:
a) ARNOUL de Flandres (after [893/99]-murdered 27 Mar 964, bur Gent, St Pieter). The Genealogica Arnulfi Comitis names (in order) "Arnulfum, fratrem eius Adelulfum" as the two sons of "Balduinus"[78]. He succeeded his father in 918 as ARNOUL I "le Grand" Count of Flanders and Artois.
- see below.
b) ADALOLF [Æthelwulf] de Flandres (after [893/99]-13 Nov 933, bur Gent St Pieter). The Genealogica Arnulfi Comitis names (in order) "Arnulfum, fratrem eius Adelulfum" as the two sons of "Balduinus"[79]. "Adalolphus" is named son of Count Baudouin II in the Cartulaire de Saint-Bertin, which specifies that he succeeded his father in 918 as Comte de Boulogne-sur-Mer, de Thérouanne, and lay-Abbot of St Bertin[80]. "Elstrudis comitissa…cum filiis suis Arnulfo et Adelolfo" donated "hereditatem suam Liefsham…in terra Anglorum in Cantia" to Saint-Pierre de Gand, for the soul of "senioris sui Baldwini", by charter dated 11 Sep 918[81]. The Annales Blandinienses record the death in 933 of "Adalulfus comes", specifying that he was buried "in monasterio sancti Petri"[82].
- COMTES de BOULOGNE.
c) EALSWID de Flandres. "Ealhswid" is named as daughter of Count Baudouin and his wife Ælfthryth in the Chronicle of Æthelweard[83].
d) ERMENTRUDE de Flandres. "Earmentruth" is named as daughter of Count Baudouin and his wife Ælfthryth in the Chronicle of Æthelweard[84].
e) [---. No information has been found concerning this possible fifth child of Count Baudouin II. If "avunculus" is used in its strict sense in the source cited below, the child was a daughter. However, it is possible that "avunculus" was used informally as the counterpart of "nepos", the latter being much less precise and possibly indicating a more remote
Page: Identifies Odacre as the father of Baudouin, Count of Flanders died when his son was still a child Alternate spellings of name Odacre, Audacer and Odoscer
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