Raimond de Toulouse II

• Preferred Name: Raimond de Toulouse II^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]}
  
• Alternate Name: de Tolosa
  
• Gender: M
  
• LdsEndowment: 20 FEB 1993 with note: GEDCOM data
  
• http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Duke of Aquitaine
  
• http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Count of Nîmes, Count of Albi886
  
• LdsBaptism: 29 JAN 1993 with note: GEDCOM data
  
• http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Comte d'AuvergneBET 919 AND 924
  
• Birth: 865 in Toulouse, Provence, France with note: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Toulouse-30
  
• FSID: KHMS-RWK
  
• National Identification: with note: Description: IND4969
  
• http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Count of Albi ... Comte d'Albi
  
• http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Margrave of Gothia ... Marquis de Gothia
  
• Burial: in Saint-Pons-de-Thomières, Béziers, Hérault, Languedoc-Roussillon, France at LATI: N3.4885 LONG: E0.7604
  
• Death: 923 in Saint-Pons, Hérault, Occitanie, Kingdom of France at LATI: N3.4885 LONG: E0.7604
  
• LdsSealingToParents: 17 MAR 1993 with note: GEDCOM data
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  Foundation for Medieval Genealogy
  
  RAYMOND de Toulouse (-[923/24]). His parentage is confirmed by a charter dated 16 Jun 918, which records an audience at Ausonne in the diocesis of Carcassonnne held by "Aridemandus episcopus sedis Tolosæ civitatis...missus advocatus Raymundo comite Tolosæ civitatis et marchio" with the consent of "Odone comite genitore suo"[240]. The Vita Sancti Geraldi Aureliacensis Comitis records that "Raimundum…comitem filium…Odonis" captured "nepotem domni Geraldi…Benedictum, Tolosæ…vicecomitem" and that "Geraldus…cum sorore sua Avigerna" requested his release[241].
  
  The Histoire Générale de Languedoc dates the event to [894/909], the earlier date being when the monastery of Aurillac was founded and the latter the date of death of Benoît´s maternal uncle[242]. If the estimated date is correct, this was before the death of Raymond´s father and therefore before his succession as comte de Toulouse. If at that date Raymond already held the comital title in his own right, it tends to corroborate the co-identity of Raymond II Comte de Toulouse with Raymond Comte d´Albi, as discussed below.
  
  He succeeded his father in [918] as RAYMOND II Comte de Toulouse. [same person as…? RAYMOND Comte d´Albi (-after 915). It is not certain whether the following documents all refer to the future Raymond II Comte de Toulouse: Comte de [Nîmes]. A bull of Pope John VIII dated 18 Aug 878, relating to papal authority over the monastery of Saint-Gilles, is subscribed by "Raimundus comes, Berengarius vicecomes…Emenus vicecomes, Oddo vicecomes, Ugo comes"[243]. A charter dated Aug 878 records an audience held by "Reymundo comite" at Albi[244]. A charter dated Apr 890 records a judgment in the court of "Raimundus…comes ipsius pagi…Allidulfo suo viciscomiti" relating to a claim by "Bligardis…in comitatu Nemausensi"[245]. A charter dated 23 May 898 records business in the presence of "Bernardo vices-comite…Regemundo comite…Berengario comite"[246]. "Regimundo comite" subscribed a charter dated Jul 902 recording a donation to Nîmes Notre-Dame[247]. A charter dated 18 Jul 915 records business in the presence of "Regemundo comite" and "Daruardus vicecomes Rotenensi" as judge in "Andusie…castello"[248].
  
  It is possible that Raymond inherited Albi from his mother´s family. In later documentation, Albi and Nîmes are recorded under the same vicomtes, and it is also possible that they were linked under the same count in the late 9th century and that Nîmes was also inherited by Raymond. The fact that no further record is found relating to Raymond in Nîmes after 915 could be explained by his succession in Toulouse, after which Nîmes would have ceased to be one of his main centres of activity. No other Comte Raymond has so far been identified who could be this comte de Nîmes.
  
  "Ugo comes" who also subscribed the 878 papal bull has not yet been identified.] No document has been identified that Comte Raymond II also held the title Marquis de Gothie. The death of Guillaume I "le Pieux" Duke of Aquitaine, Marquis de Gothie, is dated to 918.
  
  The son of Comte Raymond II, Comte Raymond Pons, is recorded with the title in 924. As shown below, Ermengaud, supposed brother of Comte Raymond II is referred to as "princeps Gothiæ" by Flodoard in 932. It is suggested that Raymond II and his supposed brother received the title jointly in [918/19] from Charles III "le Simple" King of the West Franks. No close family connection has been traced between Comte Raymond II and Duke Guillaume I. It is therefore unlikely that the two supposed brothers succeeded to the title by inheritance.
  
  m --- (-[after 28 Sep 926]). The name and origin of the wife of Comte Raymond II are unknown. She may have been GUINIDILDA, daughter of ---, as suggested by the charter dated 28 Sep 926, under which "Teudericus et uxor mea…Sposia" donated property to Narbonne cathedral, signed by "Vulveradus vicecomes…Widinildis comitissa, Richildis vicecomitissa…"[249]. As Narbonne was under the suzerainty of the comtes de Toulouse, it is possible that "Widinildis comitissa" was the legal representative of the county at the time, widow of the former comte and acting in the capacity of guardian for her minor son.
  
  According to Europäische Stammtafeln[250], she was [Guinidilda] [de Barcelona, daughter of Guifré [I] "el Velloso/el Pilós/the Hairy" Conde de Barcelona & his wife Guinidilda ---]. As Guinidilda was also the name of the wife of Conde Guifré I, a connection seems likely, although it is also possible that "Vuidinildis comitissa" belonged to the same family as Guinidilda senior (about whose family nothing is known either). Comte Raymond II & his wife had one child:
  
  a) RAYMOND ([900/10]-[944/69], bur Saint-Pons-de-Thomières). His parentage is confirmed by the charter under which "Pontius…comes Tolosanus, primarchio et dux Aquitanorum et uxor mea Garsindis" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Pons de Thomières, for the souls of "genitore nostro Raimundo et genetrice mea"[251]. He succeeded his father in [923/24] as RAYMOND PONS Comte de Toulouse.
  
  Counts of Toulouse - from the House of Raimundiner
  Counts of Toulouse - from the House of Raimundiner
  . Fredelo 849-852
  . Raimund I. 852-863 Brother of his predecessor
  . Humfried of Gothien 863-864 usurper
  . Bernhard II. 864-872 Son of Raymond I.
  
  === Sources: Kraentzler 1542; RC 326. RC: Co ===
  Sources: Kraentzler 1542; RC 326. RC: Count of Toulouse and Albi, Marquis of Gothie. Occ 919-923. K: Raimund II de Toulouse, Count d'Albi, Toulouse, etc.
  
  === TABLEAUX GENEALOGIQUES DES SOUVERAINS DE ===
  TABLEAUX GENEALOGIQUES DES SOUVERAINS DE LA FRANCE ET SEU GRANDS FEUDATAIRES (GS NUMBER 944 D22G) TAB 22, 55; TABLETTES CHRONOLOGIQUES (GS NUMBER 944 D22T) VOL 2 P.221; SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 SO68) P.11, 16; THE PLANTAGENET ANCESTRY (GS NUMBER Q940 D2T) P.8;
  
  === Source: Stuart, Rodrick W., Royalty for ===
  Source: Stuart, Rodrick W., Royalty for Commoners, (2nd Ed., Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1993), 326-34.
  
  === https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_II,_Count_of_Toulouse ===
  
  Lewis, Archibald R. The Development of Southern French and Catalan Society, 718–1050. University of Texas Press: Austin, 1965.
  Medieval Lands Project: Toulouse.
  
  === My PAF Notes ===
  from thepeerage.com, 2/2009:
  Raimond II, Comte de Toulouse1
  M, #150416, d. 924
  Raimond II, Comte de Toulouse|d. 924|p15042.htm#i150416|Eudes, Comte de Toulouse|d. 919|p15042.htm#i150417||||Raimond I., Comte de Toulouse|d. 863|p15042.htm#i150418|||||||||| Last Edited=11 Jul 2005
  Raimond II, Comte de Toulouse was the son of Eudes, Comte de Toulouse.1 He died in 924.1 Raimond II, Comte de Toulouse succeeded to the title of Comte de Toulouse in 919.1
  Child of Raimond II, Comte de Toulouse
  Raimond III Pons, Comte de Toulouse + d. c 9601
  Citations
  [S38 ] John Morby, Dynasties of the World: a chronological and genealogical handbook (Oxford, Oxfordshire, U.K.: Oxford University Press, 1989), page 88. Hereinafter cited as Dynasties of the World.
  Fulcoald, Comte de Rouergue gained the title of Comte de Rouergue.1
  Children of Fulcoald, Comte de Rouergue
  Raimond I, Comte de Toulouse + d. 8631
  Fredelon, Comte de Toulouse d. 8521
  Citations
  [S38 ] John Morby, Dynasties of the World: a chronological and genealogical handbook (Oxford, Oxfordshire, U.K.: Oxford University Press, 1989), page 88. Hereinafter cited as Dynasties of the World.
  
  === SOUR Sir Anthony Wagner, The Royal Arms ===
  SOUR Sir Anthony Wagner, The Royal Arms College, "Decendents of Edwar-
  
  === Line in Record @I10057@ (RIN 10056) from ===
  Line in Record @I10057@ (RIN 10056) from GEDCOM file not recognized: _UID 6DC027CA9ECCD61193C3973FD6E9BB5E732E Line in Record @I10058@ (RIN 10057) from GEDCOM file not recognized: _UID A987322446A2D61193C3E88C9393015FA5BB Line in Record @I10075@ (RIN 10070) from GEDCOM file not recognized: _UID 5A9B34DE985DD61193C294AD8A14235E98AE Line in Record @I10076@ (RIN 10076) from GEDCOM file not recognized: _UID 7B365B7C3451D61193C2CDEE4AFA0D5EB3E8 1 _UID E9DEE40DF5E0D51193C2F02AB1EEA0567736
  
  === https://fabpedigree.com/s068/f070063.htm ===
  https://fabpedigree.com/s068/f070063.htm

1. Gersende de Toulouse, b. ABT 895 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, France    
2. Raymond Count of Toulouse III Pons, b. ABT 895 in Toulouse, France     d. 944 in France

1. Title: Foundation for Medieval Genealogy
   Publication: Name: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/TOULOUSE.htm;
   Note: Son of Odon- RAYMOND de Toulouse (-[923/24]). His parentage is confirmed by a charter dated 16 Jun 918, which records an audience at Ausonne in the diocesis of Carcassonnne held by "Aridemandus episcopus sedis Tolosæ civitatis...missus advocatus Raymundo comite Tolosæ civitatis et marchio" with the consent of "Odone comite genitore suo"[240]. The Vita Sancti Geraldi Aureliacensis Comitis records that "Raimundum…comitem filium…Odonis" captured "nepotem domni Geraldi…Benedictum, Tolosæ…vicecomitem" and that "Geraldus…cum sorore sua Avigerna" requested his release[241]. The Histoire Générale de Languedoc dates the event to [894/909], the earlier date being when the monastery of Aurillac was founded and the latter the date of death of Benoît´s maternal uncle[242]. If the estimated date is correct, this was before the death of Raymond´s father and therefore before his succession as comte de Toulouse. If at that date Raymond already held the comital title in his own right, it tends to corroborate the co-identity of Raymond II Comte de Toulouse with Raymond Comte d´Albi, as discussed below. He succeeded his father in [918] as RAYMOND II Comte de Toulouse. [same person as…? RAYMOND Comte d´Albi (-after 915). It is not certain whether the following documents all refer to the future Raymond II Comte de Toulouse: Comte de [Nîmes]. A bull of Pope John VIII dated 18 Aug 878, relating to papal authority over the monastery of Saint-Gilles, is subscribed by "Raimundus comes, Berengarius vicecomes…Emenus vicecomes, Oddo vicecomes, Ugo comes"[243]. A charter dated Aug 878 records an audience held by "Reymundo comite" at Albi[244]. A charter dated Apr 890 records a judgment in the court of "Raimundus…comes ipsius pagi…Allidulfo suo viciscomiti" relating to a claim by "Bligardis…in comitatu Nemausensi"[245]. A charter dated 23 May 898 records business in the presence of "Bernardo vices-comite…Regemundo comite…Berengario comite"[246]. "Regimundo comite" subscribed a charter dated Jul 902 recording a donation to Nîmes Notre-Dame[247]. A charter dated 18 Jul 915 records business in the presence of "Regemundo comite" and "Daruardus vicecomes Rotenensi" as judge in "Andusie…castello"[248]. It is possible that Raymond inherited Albi from his mother´s family. In later documentation, Albi and Nîmes are recorded under the same vicomtes, and it is also possible that they were linked under the same count in the late 9th century and that Nîmes was also inherited by Raymond. The fact that no further record is found relating to Raymond in Nîmes after 915 could be explained by his succession in Toulouse, after which Nîmes would have ceased to be one of his main centres of activity. No other Comte Raymond has so far been identified who could be this comte de Nîmes. "Ugo comes" who also subscribed the 878 papal bull has not yet been identified.] No document has been identified that Comte Raymond II also held the title Marquis de Gothie. The death of Guillaume I "le Pieux" Duke of Aquitaine, Marquis de Gothie, is dated to 918. The son of Comte Raymond II, Comte Raymond Pons, is recorded with the title in 924. As shown below, Ermengaud, supposed brother of Comte Raymond II is referred to as "princeps Gothiæ" by Flodoard in 932. It is suggested that Raymond II and his supposed brother received the title jointly in [918/19] from Charles III "le Simple" King of the West Franks. No close family connection has been traced between Comte Raymond II and Duke Guillaume I. It is therefore unlikely that the two supposed brothers succeeded to the title by inheritance. m --- (-[after 28 Sep 926]). The name and origin of the wife of Comte Raymond II are unknown. She may have been GUINIDILDA, daughter of ---, as suggested by the charter dated 28 Sep 926, under which "Teudericus et uxor mea…Sposia" donated property to Narbonne cathedral, signed by "Vulveradus vicecomes…Widinildis comitissa, Richildis vicecomitissa…"[249]. As Narbonne was under the suzerainty of the comtes de Toulouse, it is possible that "Widinildis comitissa" was the legal representative of the county at the time, widow of the former comte and acting in the capacity of guardian for her minor son. According to Europäische Stammtafeln[250], she was [Guinidilda] [de Barcelona, daughter of Guifré [I] "el Velloso/el Pilós/the Hairy" Conde de Barcelona & his wife Guinidilda ---]. As Guinidilda was also the name of the wife of Conde Guifré I, a connection seems likely, although it is also possible that "Vuidinildis comitissa" belonged to the same family as Guinidilda senior (about whose family nothing is known either). Comte Raymond II & his wife had one child: a) RAYMOND ([900/10]-[944/69], bur Saint-Pons-de-Thomières). His parentage is confirmed by the charter under which "Pontius…comes Tolosanus, primarchio et dux Aquitanorum et uxor mea Garsindis" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Pons de Thomières, for the souls of "genitore nostro Raimundo et genetrice mea"[251]. He succeeded his father in [923/24] as RAYMOND PONS Comte de Toulouse.
   
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