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Ida DAMMARTIN de chatillon
- Preferred Name: Ida DAMMARTIN de chatillon[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]
- Alternate Name: Duke of Zahringen
- Alternate Name: GUELDERS
- Alternate Name: Marie de Sancto Paulo (St Pol) of Châtillon Countess of Pembroke foundress of Pembroke College Cambridge
- Alternate Name: Trie
- Alternate Name: de Preuilly comte de Vendome
- Alternate Name: Countess of Boulogne
- Gender: F
- NFS ID: with note: Description: 99SZ-LK4
NFS
- Noble family: House of Lorraine: with note: Wikiwand: Ida, Countess of Boulogne
- Sealed+to+child+(LDS): 4 MAY 1955 in SLAKE at LATI: N0.6256 LONG: E111.8756 with note: GEDCOM data
- LdsEndowment: 23 NOV 1954 in SGEOR at LATI: N7.2333 LONG: E6.6167 with note: GEDCOM data
- Birth: ABT 1161 in of, Boulogne, P-Cls, France at LATI: N0.7264 LONG: E0.6147 with note: GEDCOM data
- Abducted+by+Count+Renaud+de+Dammartin,+who+carried+her+off.: ABT 1191 with note: Wikiwand: Ida, Countess of Boulogne
- Burial: in Denny Abbey, north of Cambridge on the road to Ely, , England at LATI: N0.8867 LONG: E3.2167
- LdsBaptism: 11 OCT 1954 in SGEOR at LATI: N7.2333 LONG: E6.6167 with note: GEDCOM data
- Death: 1216 in Boulogne-sur-Mer, Pas-de-Calais, Frankrijk at LATI: N0.7264 LONG: E0.6147 with note: GEDCOM data
- FSID: LTSQ-D3L
- Notes:
=== Life Sketch ===
“Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
“ Children of Aubri de Dammartin, by Mahaut de Clermont:
i. RENAUD DE DAMMARTIN, of Beachampton (in Great Staughton) and Southoe, Huntingdonshire, Piddington, Oxfordshire, Ryhall, Rutlandshire, Norton, Suffolk, and, in right of his 2nd wife, Count of Boulogne, and of Kirton-in-Lindsay, Dunham, Nottinghamshire, Bampton and Cold Norton, Oxfordshire, etc., son and heir, born 1165. He married (1st) MARIE DE CHATILLON, daughter of Guy de Chatillon, whom he subsequently repudiated. They had no issue. He married (2nd) c.1191 IDA OF BOULOGNE, Countess of Boulogne, widow of Gerard III, Count of Guelders and Zutphen, contracted wife of Berthold V, Duke of Zeringhen, and daughter and co-heiress of Mathieu of Flanders, Count of Boulogne, lord of Kirton-in-Lindsey, Lincolnshire, Dunham, Nottinghamshire, Bampton and Cold Norton, Oxfordshire, Exning, Suffolk, etc., by his 1st wife, Mary (or Marie), daughter of Stephen, King of England [see BRABANT 4 for her ancestry]. They had one daughter, Mahaut (or Mathilde, Mafalda) [Countess of Boulogne and Dammartin] (wife successively of Philippe dit Hurepel, Count of Clermont-en-Beauvaisis and Mortain, and Affonso III, King of Portugal and the Algarve [see PORTUGAL 7]). Sometime before 1184 Simon Earl of Huntingdon and Northampton granted him the manor of Wrestlingworth, Bedfordshire. In 1189 he was granted the castle and forest of Lillebonne, Normandy by King Henry II. In 1198 King Richard I confirmed to him the forest of Lillebonne and the inheritance in England and in Normandy of his wife, Ida, as count Mathieu held it, and all the inheritance of his father count Aubrey de Dammartin. The same year the king granted him the manor of Bampton, Oxfordshire. In 1202 King Philippe granted him the fortress and county of Aumale. Following Renaud's defection from the England king in 1203, the manor of Bampton passed in custody to Geoffrey Fitz Peter, Earl of Essex. In 1204-6 King Philippe Auguste granted Mortain and Saint-James in Normandy to Count Renaud and his brother, Simon, only to confiscate them once more in 1211. In 1212 King John restored to him the manors of Wrestlingworth, Bedfordshire, Kirton-in-Lindsay, Lincolnshire, Bampton, Cold Norton, and Piddington, Oxfordshire, Ryhall, Rutland, and Little Haugh (in Norton), Suffolk. He was defeated by King Philippe Auguste at the Battle of Bouvines in 1214, and forfeited his title of count. Although still regarded as part of Renaud's honour of Boulogne after his capture at the Battle of Bouvines, the manor of Bampton, Oxfordshire was granted at pleasure in 1217 to Fawkes de Breaute. Du Plessis Histoire de I’Eglise de Meaux 2 (1731): 73-74 (charter dated 1185 of Aubrey, Count of Dammartin, and Renaud his son, Count of Boulogne, and Countess Mathilde his wife), 93-94. L'Art de Vérifier les Dates 2 (1784): 661-663 (sub Comtes de Dammartin). Blore Hist. & Antiqs. of Rutland 1(2) (1811): 30-31. Dugdale Monacticon Anglicanum 6(2) (1830): 1006 (undated charter of Ida, Countess of Boulogne, to Westwood Priory, Worcestershire, which names her "father" [pater], Mathieu, Count of Boulogne, and her "uncle" [avunculus]," Philippe, Count of Flanders), 1007 (undated charter of Ida, Countess of Boulogne, to Westwood Priory, which names her father [paths], Mathieu, Count of Boulogne, and her "aunt" [materteræ], M[athilde of Flanders], Abbess of Fontrevault). Herckenrode Coll. de Tombes, Epitaphes et Blasons, recueillis dans les Eglises et Convents de la Hesbaye (1845): 671-673. Pinio Acta Sanctorum Augusti 5 (1868): 484-485. La Gorgue-Rosny Recherches Généalogiques sur les Comtés de Ponthieu, de Boulogne, de Guines et Pays Circonvoisins: Documents Inédits (1877): 42-43 (charter of Renaud, Count of Boulogne, and his wife dated 1201). Desc. Cat. Ancient Deeds 2 (1894): 154-165. Malo Un Grand Feudataire, Renaud de Dammartin et la Coalition de Bouvines (1898): 250-251 (charter dated 1192 by Renaud, Count of Boulogne; charter names his wife, Ida, Countess of Boulogne, and her uncle [patruus], Philippe, Count of Flanders). Ellis & Bickley Index to the Charters & Rolls in the Department of MSS British Museum 1 (1900): 553, 588, 633, 845. Muller Prieuré de Saint-Lea d'Esserent: Cartulaire 1 (Pubs. Soc. Hist. du Vexin) (1900): 197 (Dammartin ped.). Chavanon Etudes & Docs. sur Calais avant la Domination Anglaise (1180-1346) (1901): 15 (charter dated 1196 of Renaud, Count of Boulogne, and Ida, his wife, Countess of Boulogne; charter witnessed by A[ubrey] Count of Dammartin), 15-16 (charter dated 1210 of Renaud, Count of Boulogne, and Ida his wife, Countess of Boulogne). Copinger Manors of Suffolk 1 (1905): 352. VCH Bedford 2 (1908): 255-259. VCH Huntingdon 2 (1932): 354-369. Landon Itinerary of King Richard I (Pipe Roll Soc. n.s. 13) (1935): 137. VCH Rutland 2 (1935): 268-275. VCH Oxford 5 (1957): 249-258; 13 (1996): 22-30. Genealogists' Mag. 15 (1965): 53-63. Evergates Littere Baronum: The earliest Cartulary of the Counts of Champagne (2003): 74 (charter of Renaud of Dammartin, count of Boulogne, announces that Gaucher III of Châtillon-sur-Marne, count of Saint-Pol, and Guillaume III des Barres will conduct an inquest in order to resolve his dispute with Countess Blanche over the residence and village of Brégy. The village has been held by Count Henri I, Countess Marie, Count Henri II, and Renaud's father, Alberic. The inquest will also determine who may collect the head tax at Brégy.). Power Norman Frontier in the 12th & Early 13th Cents. (2004): 39, 454. Online resources: http://www.briantimms.com/rolls/chiffletprinetCP01.htm (Chifflet-Prinet Roll, Part 1, No. 33: Arms of Renaut de Dammartin - Barry of six argent and azure a bordure gules and a mardet sable); http://www.mittelalter-genealogie.de/dammartin_grafen_von/rainald_l_von_dammertin_graf_von_boulogrie_1227.html."
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Ida de Lorena, también conocida como Ida, condesa de Boulogne (h. 1160 - 1216). Fue condesa de Boulogne de 1173 a 1216. Era hija de Mathieu de Alsacia, conde de Boulogne y de María de Blois condesa de Boulogne.
Mathieu se casó con María sacándola de un convento de Ramsay, pero la iglesia se opuso a este matrimonio que, finalmente, fue anulado en 1170 aunque Mathieu continuó siendo conde de Boulogne, título aportado por su esposa. Pese a la irregularidad de su matrimonio los dos hijos habidos del mismo fueron legitimados e Ida pudo suceder a su padre en 1173.
Siguiendo los consejos de su tío Felipe de Alsacia conde de Flandes, Ida se casó, en 1181 con Gérard de Gueldre que murió ese mismo año. Ida se casó, en segundas nupcias, en 1183, con Bertold IV de Zähringen, conde de Zähringen que murió tres años después.
Viuda por segunda vez, se amancebó con Arnould II de Guînes con el que estaba a punto de casarse cuando fue raptada en 1109 por Renaud de Dammartín (1175-1227), conde de Dammartín que la llevó a Lorena. Esto ocurría con frecuencia con las herederas de la Edad Media. La situación se complicó cuando Arnaud de Guînes recibió un mensaje de Ida. Arnoud acudió con presteza para liberarla pero fue capturado en Verdún por los compañeros de Renaud. Finalmente, Ida, fue liberada gracias a la intervención del arzobispo de Reims, Guillermo
Ida y Arnaud tuvieron una hija :
Matilde II († 1260, condesa de Boulogne y de Dammartin, casada con :
1.- en 1218 con Felipe Hurepel (1200-1234), conde de Clermont-en-Beauvaisis
2.- en 1235 con Alfonso III, rey de Portugal (1210-1279)
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=== She founded Pembroke College, Cambridge, ===
She founded Pembroke College, Cambridge, England.
=== BURKE'S PEERAGES (GS NUMBER 942 D22BUG) ===
BURKE'S PEERAGES (GS NUMBER 942 D22BUG) P.545;
=== Wikipedia Biography ===
Life
She was the eldest daughter of Matthew of Alsace by Marie I, Countess of Boulogne. Her maternal grandparents were King Stephen of England and Matilda I of Boulogne. Her mother, a nun, had been abducted from a convent and forced into marriage by Matthew. As a consequence, her parents' marriage was rather controversial, and was finally annulled in 1170.
Reign
Her father continued to rule until his death in 1173, when she succeeded. Upon the advice of her uncle, Philip I, Count of Flanders, she married first in 1181, to Gerard of Guelders, but he died the same year. She next married Berthold IV, Duke of Zähringen, but he too died in 1186. According to the contemporary historian Lambert of Ardres:
"...so left without a man, [Ida] indulged herself in worldly delights and pleasures of the body. She fell passionately in love with Arnold II of Guînes, and tried as hard as she could to seduce him; or rather, with typical feminine fickleness and deception she feigned that emotion. Emissaries and secret tokens passed back and forth between them as indications of certain love. Arnold either loved her or with masculine foresight and prudence pretended to; for he aspired to the land and dignity of the County of Boulogne once he could gain the Countess' favor through love feigned or true."
This relationship came to naught when Ida was abducted in 1190 by Count Renaud de Dammartin, who carried her off to Lorraine. This was a common enough fate for medieval heiresses. The situation became complicated when Arnold of Guînes received messages of enduring love from Ida. He promptly rode to her rescue, only to be captured and imprisoned by friends of Renaud in Verdun. Arnold was only freed due to the intervention of William, Archbishop of Reims. Ida was supposed to have purposely deceived him to lead Arnold into a trap. Whatever the truth, she remained with Renaud and produced a daughter, Matilda II of Boulogne (died 1258).
References
Dom Paul Grammont, Ide de Lorraine, Saint-Benoit du Sault : éditions Bénédictines, 1978.
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== Sources ==
* Ancestry.com family trees
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=== Name also Spelled Ida Countess of DAMMAR ===
Name also Spelled Ida Countess of DAMMARTAIN
Family 1: Bertholde of Zahringen , b. ABT 1125 in Urach, Hzgt Schwaben, Holy Roman Empire d. 8 DEC 1186 in Freiburg, Hzgt Switzerland, Holy Roman Empire
- m. 1183 in France, Pas-de-Calais, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, Francia
Sources:
- Title: "Scotland, England and France After the Loss of Normandy, 1204-1296: 'Auld Amitie'," by M. A. Pollock
Author: Boydell & Brewer Ltd, 2015
Publication: Name: https://books.google.com/books?id=8aGfBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA259&lpg=PA259&dq=Matthew+of+Flanders,+Earl+of+Flanders&source=bl&ots=JgEyYa9Tiv&sig=UqaxX3HZk1RxsQ-rPImnML0_JSo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj6pqDypeXbAhVEu1MKHfznAiAQ6AEIiwEwEg#v=onepage&q=Matthew%20of%20Flanders&f=false;
- Title: Dom Paul Grammont, Ide de Lorraine, Saint-Benoit du Sault : éditions Bénédictines, 1978
- Title: The Medieval Lands Project, "MARIE de Châtillon"
Author: fmg.ac
Publication: Name: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#MarieChatillonMAymarValence;
Note: MARIE de Châtillon (-Denny Abbey, Cambridgeshire 16/17 Mar 1377, bur Denny Abbey). King Edward II requested papal dispensation for the marriage between “Adomarum de Valentia comitem Pembrochiæ consanguineum nostrum” and “consanguineam nostram Mariam filiam comitissæ de Sancto Paulo” by charter dated 29 Mar 1321[1211]. She founded Pembroke College, Cambridge[1212]. The will of "Mary de St Paul Countess of Pembroke Lady of Wrifford and of Montenac", dated 13 Mar 1376, chose burial “in the church of the Sisters of Denny”, named “Sir Aymer de Valence my late Lord who lieth buried in the abbey of Westminster...my nephew Sir Aymer de Assels”[1213]. m (dispensation 22 Apr 1321, Paris 13 Jul 1321) as his second wife, AYMAR de Valence, son of GUILLAUME de Lusignan "de Valence" Seigneur de Valence Lord of Pembroke & his wife Joan Munchensy ([1270][1214]-in France 23 Jun 1324, bur 1 Aug 1324 Westminster Abbey).
- Title: Wikipedia
Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ida,_Countess_of_Boulogne;
- Title: Wikiwand: Suo jure
Publication: Name: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Suo_jure;
Note: Suo jure is a Latin phrase, used in English to mean "in his/her own righ."
It is commonly encountered in the context of titles of nobility or honorary titles, e.g. Lady Mayoress, and especially in cases where a woman holds a title in her own right rather than through her marriage.
An empress or queen who reigns suo jure is referred to as an "empress regnant" or queen regnant, those terms often being contrasted with empress consort or queen consort: "empress" and "queen" are, however, often used alone to refer to either a regnant or consort, the distinction being indicated by context....
- Title: Wikiwand: Ida, Countess of Boulogne
Publication: Name: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Ida,_Countess_of_Boulogne;
Note: Ida of Boulogne (c. 1160–1216) was suo jure Countess of Boulogne from 1173 until her death.
Life
She was the eldest daughter of Matthew of Alsace by Marie I, Countess of Boulogne. Her maternal grandparents were King Stephen of England and Matilda I of Boulogne. Her mother, a nun, had been abducted from a convent and forced into marriage by Matthew. As a consequence, her parents' marriage was rather controversial, and was finally annulled in 1170.
Reign
Her father continued to rule until his death in 1173, when she succeeded. Upon the advice of her uncle, Philip I, Count of Flanders, she married first in 1181, to Gerard of Guelders, but he died the same year. She next married Berthold IV, Duke of Zähringen, but he too died in 1186. According to the contemporary historian Lambert of Ardres:
"...so left without a man, [Ida] indulged herself in worldly delights and pleasures of the body. She fell passionately in love with Arnold II of Guînes, and tried as hard as she could to seduce him; or rather, with typical feminine fickleness and deception she feigned that emotion. Emissaries and secret tokens passed back and forth between them as indications of certain love. Arnold either loved her or with masculine foresight and prudence pretended to; for he aspired to the land and dignity of the County of Boulogne once he could gain the Countess' favor through love feigned or true."
This relationship came to naught when Ida was abducted in 1190 by Count Renaud de Dammartin, who carried her off to Lorraine. This was a common enough fate for medieval heiresses. The situation became complicated when Arnold of Guînes received messages of enduring love from Ida. He promptly rode to her rescue, only to be captured and imprisoned by friends of Renaud in Verdun. Arnold was only freed due to the intervention of William, Archbishop of Reims. Ida was supposed to have purposely deceived him to lead Arnold into a trap. Whatever the truth, she remained with Renaud and produced a daughter, Matilda II of Boulogne (died 1258).
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