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Roger de Tosny I
- Preferred Name: Roger de Tosny I[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9]
- Alternate Name: Roger de Toeni
- Gender: M
- FSID: 9C32-7PC
- Birth: 9 SEP 990 in Guerny, Eure, Upper Normandy, France at LATI: N9.2225 LONG: E0.68
- Died+In+Battle: with note: Description: Died 1038 or 1039 in battle against a neighboring noble whose territory he had overrun in a revolt against the succession of William I the Conqueror to his father's Norman possessions on the grounds that William was illegitim
- Death: 31 MAY 1040 in Conches-en-Ouche, Haute-Normandie, France at LATI: N8.964 LONG: E0.9421
- Burial: JUN 1040 in Conches-en-Ouche, Eure, Upper Normandy, France at LATI: N8.964 LONG: E0.9421 with note: Saint-Pierre de Conches Abbey, Conches-en-Ouches, Eure, Haute Normandie, France
- Residence+in+Spain+-+departed+between+1015-1018+remained+there+for+15+years: with note: Roger de Tosny who travelled to Spain in [1018] (shown above as Roger [I]), was different from a younger Roger de Tosny (maybe nephew of Roger [I]) who founded Conches abbey (shown below as Roger [II]. The Chronicon S Petri Vivi Senonensis records that "Rotgerius filius Rodulfi comitis" lived in Spain “cum uxore et exercitu suo per 15 annos” before returning “ad patrem suum in Normanniam” (having left “20 viris et uxore et omnibus quæ possidebant” in Spain) to make peace “cum duce Richardo”[1427].
- http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Chevalier banneret, Gonfalonnier de Normandie, seigneur de Tosny, Acquigny et Conches (fonde l’Abbaye de Châtillon de Conches ~1035),
- http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Count of Toni-Dieppe
- Notes:
=== Life Sketch ===
The Gresley family of Drakelow, baronets, were descendants of the Robert de Tosny family through their de Stafford ancestors, including Robert. See: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/LY4Z-CKG As Cleveland (d.1901) relates in her Battle Roll: One remaining branch of the royal Toenis still flourishes in the male line. Nigel de Toeni or De Stafford, a younger brother of the standard bearer's, held Drakelow, Gresley, and some other manors in Derbyshire and Staffordshire at the date of Domesday ; the former " by the service of rendering a bow without a string ; a quiver of Tutesbit (?) twelve fleched and one unfeathered arrow," sometimes called a buzon. Castle-Gresley took its name from his castle; and Church-Gresley marks the site of an Augustinian priory founded by his son William in the time of Henry I. Roger, the next heir, first bore the name of Gresley, that has been carried down to our own time by a long and honourable line of descent. His successors continued at Drakelow, and since the time of the first Edward have at various periods served as knights of the shire and High Sheriffs of their native county. Sir Geoffrey, in 1330, claimed the right of having a gallows at Drakelow and Gresley; Sir Nicholas, during the same reign, married a great heiress, Thomasin de Wasteneys ; Sir William served Henry VIII. in his French wars, and dying issueless, was succeeded by his brother George, who was installed a Knight of the Bath at the coronation of Anne Boleyn. Two others. Sir William and Sir Thomas, one Sheriff of Stafford, the other of Derby, were knighted by Queen Elizabeth ; and the next in succession, George, received a baronetcy in 1611. " He was an active officer in the Parliamentary service during the Civil War, and was Lieut. -Colonel to Sir William Gell." — Lysons. In the beginning of the present century Sir Roger Gresley alienated much of the property ; and, having no children, parcelled out the remainder in such a manner that, by annual sales, it should last him his life ; but he died a comparatively young man, and Drakelow, " the only estate remaining in the county that has continued in the same family from the time of Domesday," is now held by his representative, Sir Robert Gresgeni.com
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Roger I 'd'Espagne' de Tosny, seigneur de Tosny, Standard Bearer of Normandy
Also Known As: "Hispanicus", "de Toni", "de Toeni", "The Spaniard", ""The Spaniard""
Birthdate: between circa 985 and circa 995
Birthplace: Tosny, Eure, Normandy, France
Death: between May 31, 1038 and May 31, 1043 (38-62)
Normandie, France (killed in battle (along with two of his sons) by Roger I de Beaumont (son of Humphrey of Vieilles) during their rebellion against Guillaume II Duke of Normandy)
Place of Burial: Saint-Pierre de Conches abbey, Conches-en-Ouches, Eure, Haute Normandie, France
Immediate Family:
Son of Raoul II de Toeni, seigneur de Tosny and Unknown wife of Raoul de Tosny, II
Husband of
Adelaida or Stephania (Papia) de Barcelona
Father of
Helbert de Toeni;
Elinant de Toeni and
Vuaso de Tosny
Brother of Unknown de Tosny
Occupation: Standard Bearer of Normandy, aka "de Conches", Sieur, de Tosny, de Conches, Porte-Etendard, de Normandie, The Standard /Bearer/, the Spaniard, Seigneur de Toeni Lord of Conches, Banneret de Normandie, Sr de Conches, Lord of Conches
Foundation for Medieval Genealogy
One of the most controversial issues regarding the Tosny family is whether there were two individuals named Roger de Tosny who were active during the first half of the 11th century. Keats-Rohan raised the possibility that Roger de Tosny who travelled to Spain in [1018] (shown above as Roger [I]), was different from a younger Roger de Tosny (maybe nephew of Roger [I]) who founded Conches abbey (shown below as Roger [II])[1450].
The same theory has been espoused more recently by Jaime de Salazar Acha, although his main purpose is identifying the wife of Roger [I] as discussed above[1451]. The theory of two individuals is confirmed by the charter dated to [1040], quoted below, which is witnessed by both "Rodgerii filii Rodulfi" (assumed to be Roger [I]) and "Rogerii de Conchis" (Roger [II]). The parentage of Roger [II] has not been ascertained, but presumably he was closely related to Roger [I].
The estimated birth date “[before 1038]” of Raoul [III], son of Roger [II] see below, suggests that Roger [II] was considerably younger than Roger [I] and therefore may have been nephew of the latter. The fact that Roger [II] was ancestor of the later Tosny family is shown by two charters which record his descendants.
Firstly, Henry I King of England confirmed the foundation of Conches by "Rogerius senior de Toenio et filius eius Radulphus senex et Radulphus juvenis filius prædicti Radulphi senis et Rogerius filius Radulphi juvenis", quoting the foundation by "Rogerius filius Radulphi Toteniensis" for the soul of "coniugis meæ Godehildis", by charter dated to [1130][1452].
Secondly, Henry II King of England confirmed the property of Conches, including donations by "Rogeris senior de Toenio et filius eius Radulfus senex et Radulphus juvenis filius predicti Radulphi senex et Roger filius Radulphi juvenis", by charter dated 1165 or [1167/73][1453].
ROGER [I] de Tosny ([990]-killed in battle [before 17 Jun] [1040]). His parentage is confirmed by Guillaume of Jumièges who records that Richard II Duke of Normandy appointed “Nigellum Constantinensem atque Rodulfum Toennensem et Rogerium filium eiusdem” as custodians of “castrum Tegulense” (Tillières {Verneuil, Eure}), which the duke had built to protect against attack by Eudes [II] Comte de Blois (so dated to after 1004)[1424].
Roger [I] de Tosny spent time in Spain, returned to Normandy, and was killed in rebellion against Guillaume II Duke of Normandy. The precise chronology of these events is uncertain given the contradictions in the different primary sources as we shall see. Two sources record Roger in Spain in [1017/20]. Firstly, the Chronicle of Adémar de Chabannes (written before [1034]) records that "Normanni, duce Rotgerio" (presumably identifiable as Roger [I], although he never bore the ducal or even comital title), who had been fighting Saracens in Spain, asked "comitissa Barzelonensi Ermensende…vidua" for the hand of her (unnamed) daughter[1425].
This episode is dated to [1017/20], when Ermesinde was acting for her son Berenguer Ramon I “el Curvo” Comte de Barcelona during his minority. In addition, the other events recorded by Adémar in the same paragraph, all relate to 1016/18.
Secondly, the early 12th century Chronicon S Petri Vivi Senonensis records, in a section headed 1015 but whose coverage extends into later years, that "Rotgerius filius Rodulfi comitis" left Normandy with an army for Spain (“de Normannia perrexit cum exercitu in Hispaniam”) where he captured “civitates et castella...Tarraconam [Tarragona] et Gerundam [Girona]”, married “sororem Raymundi Berengerii Stephaniam”[1426].
The Chronicon S Petri Vivi Senonensis records that "Rotgerius filius Rodulfi comitis" lived in Spain “cum uxore et exercitu suo per 15 annos” before returning “ad patrem suum in Normanniam” (having left “20 viris et uxore et omnibus quæ possidebant” in Spain) to make peace “cum duce Richardo”[1427]. “Duce Richardo” was either Duke Richard II or Duke Richard III, but assuming that the Chronicon’s report is accurate (which is not without doubt) Roger [I]’s return from Spain to Normandy must be dated to before Aug 1027, when Duke Richard III died.
Roger’s presence in Normandy after this date is confirmed by two charters dated during the early 1030s: firstly, "…Rogerii filii Radulfi…" witnessed the charter dated to [1030] under which Robert II Duke of Normandy donated "in comitatu Abrincatensi villam…Sancti Johannis" to the abbey of Mont-Saint-Michel[1428], and secondly “...Rogerii Todelensis...” witnessed the charter dated [20 Jul 1031/Jul 1032] under which Robert II Duke of Normandy donated the church of Arques to Saint-Wandrille[1429]. After this time, the situation becomes confused, but indications are that Roger returned to Spain.
...m ([1017/20]) [--- de Barcelona, daughter of RAMÓN BORELL I Comte de Barcelona & his wife Ermesinde de Carcassonne]. The Chronicle of Adémar de Chabannes (written before [1034]) records that "Normanni, duce Rotgerio" (presumably identifiable as Roger [I], although he never bore the ducal or even comital title), who had been fighting Saracens in Spain, asked "comitissa Barzelonensi Ermensende…vidua" for the hand of her (unnamed) daughter[1439]. This episode is dated to [1017/20], when Ermesinde was acting for her son Berenguer Ramon I “el Curvo” Comte de Barcelona during his minority. In addition, the other events recorded by Adémar in the same paragraph, all relate to 1016/18. Europäische Stammtafeln names her “Adelaida (Papia)”[1440]. No primary source has been identified which confirms that either of these names is correct.
The early 12th century Chronicon S Petri Vivi Senonensi records, in a section headed 1015 but whose coverage extends into later years, that "Rotgerius filius Rodulfi comitis" left Normandy with an army for Spain (“de Normannia perrexit cum exercitu in Hispaniam”) where he married “sororem Raymundi Berengerii [Ramon Berenger [I] “el Viejo” Comte de Barcelona] Stephaniam” and lived there “cum uxore et exercitu suo per 15 annos” before returning “ad patrem suum in Normanniam” (having left “20 viris et uxore et omnibus quæ possidebant” in Spain) to make peace “cum duce Richardo”[1441].
Roger [I] & his wife had [three] children:
a) [ELBERT (-killed in battle [before 17 Jun] [1040]).
b) [ELINAND (-killed in battle [before 17 Jun] [1040]).
c) [VUASO . “...Vuaso filius Rogerii Tothennensis..
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=== Family info ===
Family:
Son of Unknown de Tosny and Unknown mother de Tosny
Husband of Godechildis
Father of (poss dau of Roger II) Berthe de Toeni; (poss son of Roger II) Robert I de Toeni, Lord of Belvoir; Adeliza de Toeni, Countess of Hereford; Raoul III de Tosny, Seigneur de Conches, Lord of Flamstead; Robert de Toeni, Lord of Stafford; and(poss son of Roger II) Berenger Hespina de Toeni « less
=== REF: Weis, Ancestral Roots 98A-25. also ===
REF: Weis, Ancestral Roots 98A-25. also styled De Conches. Lord of Flamstead, co. Hertford. With Ida, Roger had in marriage from King Henry I, 20 librates of land out of the royal demense at East Bergholt, Suffolk.
=== !Brown book 5, P C 274. Castellan of Til ===
!Brown book 5, P C 274. Castellan of Tillieres Castle, Living 1030.
=== Constantly involved in petty warfare in ===
Constantly involved in petty warfare in Normandy& twice im- prisoned. Became reconciled with K. Stephen in Sept. 1138, against whom he had revolted.
=== !AKA: Roger de Toeni III, also styled de ===
!AKA: Roger de Toeni III, also styled de Conches, Lord of Falmstead, co. Hertford - Doc. Line 98A-25 Roger III de Toeni, Lord of Flamstead, co. Hertford - Doc. Line 143-26 !BIRTH: Date: ca. 1104 - Doc. Line 98A-25 !CHILDREN: Of Roger III de Toeni, Lord and Ida of Hainaut Godeheut (or Godehold) - Doc. Line 143-26 !DEATH: Date: 1157/1162 - Doc. Line 98A-25 !MARRIAGE: Roger de Toeni III, Lord and Ida of Hainaut - Doc. Line 98A-25, 143-26 !NOTE: With Ida, Roger had in marriage from King Henry I, 20 librates of land out of the royal demesne at East Bergholt, Suffolk - Doc. Line 98A-25
=== !Roger III de Toeni, also styled de Conc ===
!Roger III de Toeni, also styled de Conches, b. ca. 1104, d. 1157-62, lord of Flamstead, Hertford, m. Ida of Hainaut, dau. of Baldwin III (163-25), Count of Hainaut, by his wife, Yolande of Guelders. With Ida, Roger had in marriage from King Henry I, 20 librates of land out of the royal demesne at East Bergholt, Suffolk. {"60 Colonists" line 98A-25.] !Roger III de Toeni, also styled de Conches, was lord of Flamstead, Hertford. With Ida, Roger had in marriage from King Henry I, 20 librates of land out of the royal demesne at East Bergholt, Suffolk.
=== "with Ida, Roger had in marriage from Ki ===
"with Ida, Roger had in marriage from King Hnery I, 20 librates of land out of the royal desmesne at East Berholt, Suffolk."
=== Sources: Kraentzler 1311, 1357; A. Roots ===
Sources: Kraentzler 1311, 1357; A. Roots 98A; Drakelowe. Drakelowe: Succeeded his father in 1125-26. Involved in petty warfarein Normandy and twice was imprisoned there. But as of September 1138 he was reconciled with King Stephen. K: Roger de Toeni (Toesni) III "de Conches," Lord of Conches, Lord of Flamsted. Roots: Roger III de Toeni, also styled de Conches, Lord of Flamstead, Hertfordshire. With Ida, Roger had in marriage from King Henry I, 20librates of land out of the royal demesne at East Bergholt, Suffolk.
=== !Ency. of Am. Biog. Am. Hist Soc. R4A1 N ===
!Ency. of Am. Biog. Am. Hist Soc. R4A1 N.S. Vol. s7 p. 52, 80 p. 47-8 !or Tony or Toney; also called DeConches, Lord Flanstead. He was continually involved in petty warfare in Normandy and was twice imprisoned in Normandy. In Sept. 1138, he became reconciled to King Stephen, against whom he had revolted. He founded the nunnery of St. Giles-in-the-Wood.
=== Roger D'Espagne DE TOENI Given Name: Rog ===
Roger D'Espagne DE TOENI Given Name: Roger D'Espagne Surname: De TOENI Sex: M Birth: 1015 in Guerny, Eure, Normandy, FRANCE Death: 31 May 1038 in Conches, Eure, FRANCE Marriage 1 Godeheut Borrell OF BARCELONA b: 1010 in ?? Children Adeliza ALICE De TOENI b: 1024 in ??
=== Roger de Toeni, a collateral descendant ===
Roger de Toeni, a collateral descendant of the line of Rollo, refused all allegiance to the illegitimate grandson of the Furrier of Falaise, and commenced ravaging the lands around him, especially those of Humphrey de Vielles. The spoiler was, however, defeated in asanguinary combat by Roger de Beaumont, son of Humphrey, and paid for his aggression with his own life and those of two of his sons, Halbert and Elinance.
Source: Please cite original sources.
Compiled by: J. K. Loren
Normandy Standard Bearer
=== *Roger "The Spainiard" De Toeni (Conches ===
*Roger "The Spainiard" De Toeni (Conches)
born Abt 0990
died Abt 1038/1039
buried 31 May 1038/1039 Conches, Seine-et-Marne, France
father:
*Ralph II (Rodulf) Seigneur De Toeni
born Bef 970 Of, Tosni, France
died Aft 1015
mother:
*wife of Ralph II (Rodulf) Seigneur De Toeni
born Bef 0974 Of, Tosni, France
died Aft 1015
(end of information)
siblings:
Ralph De Toeni born Abt 0992 Of, Tosni, France
*Robert De Toeni born Abt 1009 Of, Belvior, Leicestershire, England died 4 Aug 1088
spouse:
*Godeheut (Godehilde) Borrell de Barcelona
born Abt 0995 Of, Barcelona, Spain
died Aft 1077
children:
*Ralph De Toeni (De Conches)
born Abt 1029 Of Flamsted, Herefordshire, England
died 24 Mar 1101/1102
buried Abt 1101/1102 Conches, Seine-et-Marne, France
*Alice (Adelise) De Toeni born Abt 1035 Of Tosni, France
buried Lire Abbey, France
*Robert De Toeni Baron de Stafford born Abt 1031 Of Staffordshire, England
died 1088 buried Abbey, Evesham, Worcestershire, England
Helbert (Elbert) De Toeni born Abt 1032
Eliant (Eliance) De Toeni born Abt 1034
son De Toeni born Abt 1040
Gazon De Toeni born Abt 1033 Of, Tosni, France
biographical and/or anecdotal:
notes or source:
LDS
=== In 1131 he attested Henry I's "pancarte" ===
In 1131 he attested Henry I's "pancarte" confirming all the familygrants to the abbey of Conches. It is said he waged war with Hugh deChateauneuf in 1133. In 1135, the king believed he was about to rebel,with William Talvas, Count of Ponthieu, on behalf of GeoffreyPlantagenet. After the King died Roger supported Geoffrey and his wife Maudagainst King Stephen. On 3 May 1136 Roger was ambushed and captured byWaleran, Count of Meulan, and Henry de la Pommeraye, but he was releasedin 1137. On 7 Sept. 1138 he burned the town of Breteuil, but by the endof the year he made peace with the twin earls, Waleran of Meulan andRobert Earl of Leicester, and was reconciled to Stephen. In 1150 or 1151 he was with Henry, Duke of Normandy, at Rouen, andwhen Henry became King Henry II of England Roger enjoyed the royal favor.(Marlyn Lewis and "Complete Peerage" by Cokayne; Carl Boyer atcboyer@sosinet.net)
=== Roger, called de Toeni or de Conches; bo ===
Roger, called de Toeni or de Conches; born probably c1104; married Ida, daughter of Baldwin III, Count of Hainault, and died between autumn 1157 and the beginning of 1162. [Burke's Peerage]
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ROGER DE TOENI III, styled also DE CONCHES, 1st son and heir, was born probably about 1104, and succeeded his father about 1126. In 1131 he attested Henry I's pancarte confirming all the grants of his ancestors and himself and others to the abbey of Conches. He is said to have waged war with Hugh de Chateauneuf in 1133. In 1135 the King suspected that he was preparing to rebel, together with William Talvas, Count of Ponthieu, on behalf of Henry's son-in-law, Geoffrey Plantagenet, and sent his own soldiers to garrison the castle of Conches. After the King's death Roger supported Geoffrey and his wife the Empress Maud against Stephen. After Easter 1136 hostilities began between him and the King's generals, the twins Waleran, Count of Meulan, and Robert, Earl of Leicester; and civil war raged in May and June. In the autumn the fighting flared up again; but on 3 October Roger was ambushed and captured by Count Waleran and Henry de la Pommeraye. His land was laid under an interdict and he was kept in prison for more than 6 months, but was released in 1137. In May 1138 he was attacked by the Count of Meulan and William d'Ypres, but defended himself successfully; and on 7 September he captured Breteuil and burnt the town. However, before the end of 1138 he made peace with the twin Earls, who conducted him to England, where he was reconciled to King Stephen. Nothing is known of what happened to his English lands during this period. In 1150 or 1151 he was with Henry, Duke of Normandy, at Rouen. After Henry had become King, Roger enjoyed the royal favour; for between Michaelmas 1157 and Michaelmas 1158 the King granted him 100 solidates of land at Holkham, Norfolk. He was a benefactor to the abbeys of la Noë, Conches and Bec.
He married Ida, daughter of BALDWIN III, COUNT OF HAINAULT, by Yolande, daughter of Gerard, COUNT OF GUELDERS. With her he had in marriage from Henry 120 librates of land out of the royal demesne at East Bergholt, Suffolk. He died after Michaelmas 1157 and probably before 1162. [Complete Peerage XII/1:763-4, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
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Following copied from soc.genealogy.medieval newgroup:
From: Paul C. Reed (reedpcgen@aol.com)
Subject: Idenity of Countess Ida revisited [2nd try]
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2000/01/06
Roger de Toeni [the third of that name, or III] was born ca. 1104, and died after Michaelmas 1157, presumably before his son died in 1162. He married Ida of Hainault, daughter of Baldwin III, Count of Hainault, by his wife Yolande de Guelders. It is not known when Ida died, but she presumably survived him, as Henry II granted her [Ida de Tounay] land at Garsington, co. Oxford [Rot. Hund.].
This couple had four known sons:
(1) Ralph de Toeni [V], who succeeded his father and died 1262/3, having married Margaret de Beaumont.
(2) Roger de Toeni, Jr., dead by 1185, when his wife Ade/Alda de Chaumont was holding land at Holkington, co. Norfolk, of her son Baldwin de Toeni [II] (1170-1216), Seigneur de Acquigny, apparently father of Roger de Akeny and Sir William Dakeny [Acquigny]. The Rotuli de Dominabus states that Ade/Alda was born about 1155, and that she had five daughters aside from her son Baldwin. [Does anyone have any Dakeny ancestry?]
(3) Baldwin de Toeni, who settled in Hainault [having resided with his uncle Baldwin IV], where he died in 1170, leaving issue.
(4) Geoffrey de Toeni, a cleric who flourished 1157-62, 1177.
Two daughters have also been mentioned before:
1) Goda (c1136-) m Walchieline de Ferrers
2)Godeheut de Toeni (-<1186) m William de Mohun (<1143-1176); Of Dunster; s
of William by Agnes de Gaunt. They left Agnes and Yolante
[Latter posting on daughters from Adrian Channing, 10 Jan 2000]
=== Also known as the "Standard Bearer of N ===
Also known as the "Standard Bearer of Normandy."
=== Research ===
Ency of Am Biog, Am Hist Soc, r4a1 n s vol 17 p 52,80 and 47-8
He was continually involved in petty warfare in Normandy and was twice imprisoned in Normandy. In Sept 1138, he became reconciled to King Stephen, against whom he had revolted.
He founded the nunnery of St. Giles-in-the-Wood.
=== Roger de Tosny II ===
RAOUL [II] de Tosny, son of RAOUL [I] [de Tosny] & his wife --- . "…Rodulphi filii Rodulphi de Todeniaco…" subscribed the undated charter under which "Richardus…Normannorum comes" confirmed property of Lisieux[1260]. Guillaume of Jumièges records that Duke Richard appointed “Nigellum Constantinensem atque Rodulfum Toennensem et Rogerium filium eiusdem” as custodians of “castrum Tegulense” (Tillières {Verneuil, Eure}), which he had built to protect against attack by Eudes [II] Comte de Blois (so dated to after 1004)[1261]. [The Chronico S Petri Vivi Senonensi records that, after his son "Rotgerius" was killed in Normandy, “Rodulfus...pater eius” left for Jerusalem “per limina apostolorum et per Apuliam”, where “princeps qui totam Apuliam tenebat” [maybe Melus, whose death is recorded in 1020, which is inconsistent with the chronology of the life of Raoul’s supposed son Roger, as shown below] whom the Greeks wished to expel (“quem Greci de principatu suo eicere volebant”) requested him to abandon his pilgrimage to fight with him “usque in hodiernum diem manserunt ibi Normanni”[1262]. How far this passage is factual is uncertain. It is possible that there is confusion with the expedition to Apulia led by Rainulf “Drengot” and his brothers (one of whom was named Rodolphe/Raoul): the Chronica Monasterii Casinensis records that "Giselbertus…qui et Buttericus…[cum] quatuor fratribus suis, Rainulfo, Asclittino, Osmundo, atque Rodulfo" arrived in Capua (after Gilbert was banished from Normandy) where they joined "Melus", dated to [1015/16] from the context[1263]. Rodulfus Glaber records that "a very brave Norman called Rodulf incurred the anger of Count Richard [Richard II Comte de Normandie]" and fled to Italy, where he met Pope Benedict VIII (Pope from 1012 to 1024), fought the Greeks, and visited Emperor Heinrich II[1264]. It appears more probable that Glaber is referring to Rodolphe, brother of Rainulf “Drengot”, rather than Raoul [II] de Tosny, although the question is not beyond doubt. There is little basis for dating the events, except a reference to Rodolfe being received "joyfully" by Count Richard in Normandy the year before the death of the Emperor (1024). Chalandon suggests that meeting with the emperor must have taken place in Germany after Rodolphe accompanied Melus there after his defeat in southern Italy, dated to 1017[1265].]
m ---. The name of Raoul's wife is not known.
Raoul [II] & his wife had one child:
1. ROGER [I] de Tosny ([990]-killed in battle [before 17 Jun] [1040]). His parentage is confirmed by Guillaume of Jumièges who records that Richard II Duke of Normandy appointed “Nigellum Constantinensem atque Rodulfum Toennensem et Rogerium filium eiusdem” as custodians of “castrum Tegulense” (Tillières {Verneuil, Eure}), which the duke had built to protect against attack by Eudes [II] Comte de Blois (so dated to after 1004)[1266]. Roger [I] de Tosny spent time in Spain, returned to Normandy, and was killed in rebellion against Guillaume II Duke of Normandy. The precise chronology of these events is uncertain given the contradictions in the different primary sources as we shall see. Two sources record Roger in Spain in [1017/20]. Firstly, the Chronicle of Adémar de Chabannes (written before [1034]) records that "Normanni, duce Rotgerio" (presumably identifiable as Roger [I], although he never bore the ducal or even comital title), who had been fighting Saracens in Spain, asked "comitissa Barzelonensi Ermensende…vidua" for the hand of her (unnamed) daughter[1267]. This episode is dated to [1017/20], when Ermesinde was acting for her son Berenguer Ramon I “el Curvo” Comte de Barcelona during his minority. In addition, the other events recorded by Adémar in the same paragraph, all relate to 1016/18. Secondly, the early 12th century Chronicon S Petri Vivi Senonensis records, in a section headed 1015 but whose coverage extends into later years, that "Rotgerius filius Rodulfi comitis" left Normandy with an army for Spain (“de Normannia perrexit cum exercitu in Hispaniam”) where he captured “civitates et castella...Tarraconam [Tarragona] et Gerundam [Girona]”, married “sororem Raymundi Berengerii Stephaniam”[1268]. The Chronicon S Petri Vivi Senonensis records that "Rotgerius filius Rodulfi comitis" lived in Spain “cum uxore et exercitu suo per 15 annos” before returning “ad patrem suum in Normanniam” (having left “20 viris et uxore et omnibus quæ possidebant” in Spain) to make peace “cum duce Richardo”[1269]. “Duce Richardo” was either Duke Richard II or Duke Richard III, but assuming that the Chronicon’s report is accurate (which is not without doubt) Roger [I]’s return from Spain to Normandy must be dated to before Aug 1027, when Duke Richard III died. Roger’s presence in Normandy after this date is confirmed by two charters dated during the early 1030s: firstly, "…Rogerii filii Radulfi…" witnessed the charter dated to [1030] under which Robert II Duke of Normandy donated "in comitatu Abrincatensi villam…Sancti Johannis" to the abbey of Mont-Saint-Michel[1270], and secondly “...Rogerii Todelensis...” witnessed the charter dated [20 Jul 1031/Jul 1032] under which Robert II Duke of Normandy donated the church of Arques to Saint-Wandrille[1271]. After this time, the situation becomes confused, but indications are that Roger returned to Spain: Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Rogerius Toenites de stirpe Malahulcii qui Rollonis ducis patruus fuerat” (who was “totius Normanniæ signifer“) travelled “in Hispaniam” when Duke Robert II went on pilgrimage to Jerusalem (so dated to [1035]), that he returned after the accession of Duke Guillaume II but rebelled because of the new duke’s ignoble birth, destroyed property in particular that of “Humfridi de Vetulis”, and that the latter eventually sent his son to attack Roger who was killed with “duobus filiis suis Helberto et Elinantio”[1272]. Orderic Vitalis also names “...Rogerius de Hispania...” among those who rebelled against Guillaume II Duke of Normandy after his accession in 1035[1273]. In another passage, Orderic Vitalis records that “Rodbertus de Grentemaisnilio...cum Rogerio de Toenio” fought “Rogerium de Bellomonte”, during the course of which “Rogerius cum filiis suis Elberto et Elinancio“ were killed and “Rodbertus” mortally wounded (adding that the latter later died “XIV Kal Jul”)[1274]. Guillaume of Jumièges’s account is partly corroborated by a second extract from the Chronicon S Petri Vivi Senonensis which records that, after returning to Normandy, Roger attacked a neighbour but was killed (“iste Rotgerius contra quemdam vicinum faciens bellum, interfectus est”), although the chronology of the Chronicon is suspect as this passage follows the report that Roger returned to Normandy to make peace “cum duce Richardo”[1275]. The Chronicon report is also confused by Roger’s father’s supposed journey to Apulia after Roger died, which as discussed above appears to contradict other sources and whose chronology is in any case suspect. The presence of Roger [I] in Normandy in the late 1030s is noted in two charters: "…Rodgerii filii Rodulfi…" witnessed the charter dated to [1040] under which Guillaume Comte de Talou donated property to Jumièges[1276], and "…Rodgerii filii Rodulfi…Rogerii de Conchis" subscribed the charter dated to [1040] under which "Vuillelmus Ricardi magni ducis Normannorum filius" donated property to the abbey of Jumièges[1277]. The question of the dual identity of “Roger de Tosny”, reflected in the references to “Rodgerii filii Rodulfi" and "Rogerii de Conchis" in the latter document, is discussed below under Roger [II] de Tosny. Roger [I]’s death is dated to [before 17 Jun] because firstly Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Robertus de Grentesmaisnil” died in the same battle as “Rogerius [de Toenia]“[1278], and secondly the necrology of the monastery of Ouche records the death "17 Jun" of "Robertus de Grentemesnil"[1279]. The date must be considered approximate because Orderic Vitalis records that “Rodbertus de Grentemaisnilio” was mortally wounded in the battle during which “Rogerius cum filiis suis Elberto et Elinancio“ were killed and that Robert died “XIV Kal Jul” (it is not known how many dies after the battle)[1280]. m ([1017/20]) [--- de Barcelona, daughter of RAMÓN BORELL I Comte de Barcelona & his wife Ermesinde de Carcassonne]. The Chronicle of Adémar de Chabannes (written before [1034]) records that "Normanni, duce Rotgerio" (presumably identifiable as Roger [I], although he never bore the ducal or even comital title), who had been fighting Saracens in Spain, asked "comitissa Barzelonensi Ermensende…vidua" for the hand of her (unnamed) daughter[1281]. This episode is dated to [1017/20], when Ermesinde was acting for her son Berenguer Ramon I “el Curvo” Comte de Barcelona during his minority. In addition, the other events recorded by Adémar in the same paragraph, all relate to 1016/18. Europäische Stammtafeln names her “Adelaida (Papia)”[1282]. No primary source has been identified which confirms that either of these names is correct. The early 12th century Chronicon S Petri Vivi Senonensi records, in a section headed 1015 but whose coverage extends into later years, that "Rotgerius filius Rodulfi comitis" left Normandy with an army for Spain (“de Normannia perrexit cum exercitu in Hispaniam”) where he married “sororem Raymundi Berengerii [Ramon Berenger [I] “el Viejo” Comte de Barcelona] Stephaniam” and lived there “cum uxore et exercitu suo per 15 annos” before returning “ad patrem suum in Normanniam” (having left “20 viris et uxore et omnibus quæ possidebant” in Spain) to make peace “cum duce Richardo”[1283]. The early 12th century Chronicon S Petri Vivi Senonensi records that “sororem Raymundi Berengerii Stephaniam” married as her second husband “rex Hispaniæ Garsias”[1284]. Based on this source, Jaime de Salazar Acha suggests that the widow of Roger [I] de Tosny w
=== Ralph/Rodulf de Toeni; feudal Lord also of Conches ===
Ralph/Rodulf de Toeni; feudal Lord also of Conches; custodian with his son of Castle of Tillieres from 1013 to 1014; took part in Norman expedition to Southern Italy c1015. [Burke's Peerage]
He was born probably before 970, for in 1013 or 1014 the Duke of Normandy, having founded the castle of Tilliéres, gave the custody of it to Ralph de Toeni and his son Roger, together with Neel, Vicomte of the Cotentin. Ralph was seigneur of Tosni and Conches. ) About 1015 he went to Apulia; and in the winter of 1015-16 he was at the siege of Salerno (a). The name and parentage of his wife are unknown, but it is possible that she belonged to a collateral branch of the ducal house; for according to Orderic, Ralph's son Roger descended from an alleged uncle of Rolf, the founder of Normandy (b). The date of Ralph's death is not known. [Complete Peerage XII/1:754-5, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(a) "Chron. Mon. Casinensis" (in one MS, only) in Mon. Germ. Hist., vol ix (vol vii Scriptorum), p. 652, note (a); F. Chalondon, La Domination normande en Italie, vol i, pp. 49, 52; cf. Douglas, op. cit. p. 30, note 127. He may be the "quidam Normannorum audacissimus, nomine Rodulfuls," who (according to Rodulf Glaber), having displeased Duke Richard, went to Rome to lay his cause before the Pope and was induced by him to got to Benevento to fight the Greeks; and after victorious campaigns returned to Normandy (Rec. des Hist. de France, vol x, pp. 25-26). According to the Sens Chron., Count Rodulf, whose son Roger fought in Spain (see p. 756, note "b" below), set out from Normandy for Jerusalem, but when he reached Apulia was asked by the local princeps to abandon his pilgrimage and stop to fight the Greeks, which he did ("Chron. S. Petri Vivi Senonensis," in Idem, p. 223). These writers may refer to Ralph de Toeni, but the identity cannot be proved.
Ralph/Rodulf de Toeni; feudal Lord also of Conches; custodian withhis son of Castle of Tillieres from 1013 to 1014; took part in Normanexpedition to Southern Italy c1015. [Burke's Peerage]
=== https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/131414701/roger_i-toeni ===
Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 21 August 2018), memorial page for Roger I “the Spaniard, de” Toeni (unknown–1039), Find A Grave Memorial no. 131414701, citing Abbaye de Saint-Pierre-et-de-Saint-Paul, Conches-en-Ouche, Departement de l'Eure, Haute-Normandie, France ; Maintained by Anonymous (contributor 47882760) .
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=== ='''Roger I "d'Espagne" or "Conches"'' d ===
='''Roger I "d'Espagne" or "Conches"'' de Tosny/Toeni, Seigneur de Conches'''=
son of Raoul II de Tosny
married to Adelaide de Barcelona and Godechilde.
FMG Medieval Lands:
'''ROGER [I] de Tosny [Conches]''' ([990]-killed in battle [1040]).
* Guillaume de Jumièges names "Roger du Ternois, de la mauvaise race de Hulce…oncle du duc Rollon, et se battant avec lui contre les Francs avait jadis concouru par sa valeur à la conquête de la Normandie", recording that Roger was "porte-bannière de toute la Normandie" and left for Spain when Duke Robert II left on pilgrimage to Jerusalem but refused to serve Duke Guillaume II on returning to Normandy[1810].
* The Chronici Hugonis Floriacensis names "Rotgerius filius Rodulfi comitis" when recording that he left Normandy for Spain[1811].
* The Chronico S Petri Vivi Senonensi records that "Rotgerius filius Rodulfi comitis" left Normandy for Spain with an army in 1015[1812].
* He founded the abbey of Conches in 1035[1813].
* He and his two sons "Helbert et Hélinant" were killed during his rebellion by "Roger de Beaumont"[1814]. "…Rogerii filii Radulfi…" witnessed the charter dated to [1030] under which Robert II Duke of Normandy donated "in comitatu Abrincatensi villam…Sancti Johannis" to the abbey of Mont-Saint-Michel[1815].
* He left Normandy for Spain in [1030/35], fought against the Moors, and lived there for 15 years with his Spanish wife[1816].
* "…Rodgerii filii Rodulfi…Rogerii de Conchis" subscribed the charter dated to [1040] under which "Vuillelmus Ricardi magni ducis Normannorum filius" donated property to the abbey of Jumièges[1817]. The apparent duplication of these names is difficult to explain.
* "…Nigelli vicecomitis, Tursteni vicecomitis…Willelmi Arcacensis comitis, Godefridi vicecomitis, Rodgerii filii Rodulfi, Wimundi…" witnessed the charter dated to [1040] under which Guillaume Comte de Talou donated property to Jumièges[1818].
* Henry II King of England confirmed the property of Conches abbey, including donations by "Rogeris senior de Toenio et filius eius Radulfus senex et Radulphus juvenis filius predicti Radulphi senex et Roger filius Radulphi juvenis", by charter dated 1165 or [1167/73][1819].
[m firstly (1018 or soon after) '''ADELAIDA [Papia] de Barcelona''', daughter of RAMÓN BORELL I Conde de Barcelona & his wife Ermesinde de Carcassonne.
* The Chronicle of Adémar de Chabannes records that "Normanni duce Rotgerio", who had been fighting Saracens in Spain, asked "comitissa Barzelonensi Ermensende…vidua" for the hand of her daughter, but does not name the latter[1820].
* It is not clear that "dux Rotgerius" is Roger de Conches, particularly as it seems surprising that Adémar would have accorded him the title "dux".
* It is assumed that this marriage proposal took place in 1018 or soon after: if it had taken place much later, there would have been little reason to have referred to the bride's mother as "vidua". In addition, the other eventsrecorded by Adémar in the same paragraph, all relate to 1016/18.
* The Chronici Hugonis Floriacensis records that "Rotgerius filius Rodulfi comitis" married "sororem Raymundi-Berengarii Stephaniam" in Spain, specifying that she later married "rex Hispaniæ Garsias"[1821], but this account is even more confused and clearly conflates several different individuals. The Chronico S Petri Vivi Senonensi records the same marriage using the same wording[1822].
* The primary source which confirms her name has not yet been identified.]
m [secondly] as her first husband, '''GODECHILDIS''', daughter of ---. Guillaume de Jumièges records the marriage of the widow of "Roger du Ternois" and "Richard comte d'Evreux et fils de Robert l'archevêque"[1823]. The Miraclesof Sainte-Foy recount her being cured of a serious illness by miracle, when she was still married to her first husband[1824]. '''She married secondly Richard Comte d'Evreux'''.
Roger [I] & his [first/second] wife had four children:
a) '''HELBERT''' (-killed in battle [1040]). Guillaume de Jumièges names "Helbert et Hélinant" as the two sons of "Roger du Ternois" when recording that they were killed with their father by "Roger de Beaumont" during their rebellion against Guillaume II Duke of Normandy in the early years of the duke's reign[1825].
b) '''HELINANT''' (-killed in battle [1040]). Guillaume de Jumièges names "Helbert et Hélinant" as the two sons of "Roger du Ternois" when recording that they were killed with their father by "Roger de Beaumont" during their rebellion against Guillaume II Duke of Normandy in the early years of the duke's reign[1826].
c) ''' VUASCO''' . The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. 1037/1045.
d) '''ADELISA''' (-6 Oct ----, bur Abbaye de Lire).
* Guillaume de Jumièges names "Adelise fille de Roger du Ternois" as wife of "Guillaume fils d'Osbern, proche parent du duc Guillaume", recording that her husband buried her in the monastery of Lire which he had built[1827].
* Robert of Torigny's De Immutatione Ordinis Monachorum records that "Willermus filius Osberni Normanniæ dapifer et cognatus Willermi ducis…Aelizam uxorem suam filiam Rogeri de Toeneio" was buried in the monastery of Lire[1828].
* The necrology of Lyre monastery records the death "6 Oct" of "Adeliz uxor Willelmi hujus loci fundatoris"[1829]. The necrology of the monastery of Ouche records the death "6 Oct" of "mater Willelmi Britolii Adeliza"[1830].
m as his first wife, '''GUILLAUME FitzOsbern Seigneur de Breteuil''', son of OSBERN de Crépon & his wife Emma d'Ivry (-killed in battle Cassel, Flanders 22 Feb 1071, bur Abbaye de Corneilles).
Roger [I] & his [second] wife had one child:
e) '''RAOUL [III] de Tosny''' (-24 Mar[1831] [1102], bur Conches Saint-Pierre). “Radulphus de Tony cum Godehelde matre mea” donated property to Wotton Wawen Abbey, Warwickshire by undated charter[1832].
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=='''Roger I of Tosny'''==
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
'''Roger I of Tosny or Roger of Hispania'''[1] was a Norman nobleman of the House of Tosny who took part in the Reconquista of Iberia. He was the son of Raoul I of Tosny.
In 1013, Roger and his father Raoul I guarded the castle at Tillières for Richard II, Duke of Normandy. A few years later, for an unknown reason, the pair were forced into exile.
While his father gained a reputation for himself in Apulia, Roger did the same in fighting the Muslims in Iberia. The small Christian states of Northern Iberia welcomed volunteers and adventurers who they could use to mount a strong force for the Reconquista.
Roger was summoned by Ermessenda, regent-countess of Barcelona after the death of her husband Ramon Borrell, to help her against the Muslim threat to her power. Roger rushed to help, marrying Ermesende's daughter[2], terrorising the Saracens and capturing several towns and castles.
Adémar de Chabannes gives an echo of the more or less legendary deeds of Roger in Iberia. He gained the nickname Mangeur de Maures (Moor-Eater). Adémar recounts that Roger took his captured Saracens each day and, in front of them,cut one of their number in two, boiling the first half and giving it to the other Muslims to eat, and pretending to take the other half into his own tent for him and his companions to eat. Then Roger allowed some of these prisoners to escape, to spread these horrific rumours.[3].
Before 1024, Roger and his father gained permission from Richard II to return to Normandy, and Raoul died soon afterwards.
Roger de Tosny founded Conches-en-Ouche. He built its church of Sainte-Foy[4] (before 1026) then the abbey of Saint-Pierre de Castillon (c. 1035) where monks from Fécamp Abbey were installed. This monastery was one of the first baronial foundations in Normandy[5] The foundation charter reveals that the lord of Tosny gave it a small possession around Conches and his forest.
In 1035, Robert I's death began a troubled period in the duchy of Normandy. Civil wars multiplied and Roger (whose relations with his neighbours was already argumentative) was one of the main players in them. According to the Norman chroniclers[6], the lord of Tosny refused to serve the new duke, the future William the Conqueror, due to his being a bastard. He especially took advantage of the weakness of the duke's power by ravaging his neighbours' lands,notably those of Humphrey of Vieilles. Humphrey sent his son Roger to face Roger of Tosny, and around 1040 the latter was '''killed in battle''', and his two eldest sons[7] died a few weeks later of their wounds.
Peace was re-established between the Tosny family and the neighbouring families. '''The widow Gotelina/Godehildis was forced to marry Richard, Count of Évreux'''.
===Family and descendents===
Married :
* '''Adelaide, daughter of Ermesende, countess of Barcelona'''
* '''Gotelina/Godehildis''' who married, after the death of Roger count of Évreux, Richard
Children :
* Helbert (died 1040 with his father),
* Elinand, (idem),
* Raoul II of Tosny, successor of his father
* Robert of Tosny, lord of Stafford [NOTE: THIS IS QUESTIONABLE]
* Béranger l'Espagnol, [NOT listed by FMG]
* Adelise, married Guillaume Fils Osbern
* Berthe, married Guy de Laval [NOT listed by FMG]
* One other son
References
1. ^ A name given him by Orderic Vitalis.
2. ^ However, the marriage in Barcelona is uncertain. Gotelina/Godehildis, Roger's only wife to be known by name, was not Iberian but it is not known if she was his second or first wife. See Lucien Musset, "Aux origines d'une classe dirigeante : les Tosny, grands barons normands du Xe au XIIe siècle", Sonderdruck aus Francia Forschungen zur westeuropäischen Geschichte, Munich, 1978, p.53.
3. ^ Chronique d'Adhémar de Chabanais, éd. J. Chavanon, Paris, 1897, p.178-179
4. ^ Its dedication was linked to
=== Source: Please cite original sources. ===
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=== Roger III de Toeni was also called de Co ===
Roger III de Toeni was also called de Conches. He was lord of Flamstead, Hertford. Weis. 53-25, 143-26.
=== Lord of Flamstead, Hertfordshire. With ===
Lord of Flamstead, Hertfordshire. With his marriage to Ida, Rogerobtained from King Henry I 20 librates of land out of the royaldemesne at East Bergholt, Suffolk.
=== Research ===
Ency of Am Biog, Am Hist Soc, r4a1 n s vol 17 p 51
=== The Spaniard," Standard Bearer of Normandy ===
Died 1038 buried 31 May 1038
Family Godechildis, b. 1000, Barcelona, Catalonia Find all individuals with events at this location, d. Abt 1051 (Age 51 years)
Married 1018 St Daniel de Girona, Spain Find all individuals with events at this location
Children
1. Adelise De Toeni, b. Abt 1018, Conches, Normandy, France Find all individuals with events at this location, d. Bef 1070 (Age ~ 51 years)
2. Helbert ( or Halbert or Herbert) de Toeni ( de Tosny), b. 1020, de Toeni, Normandy Find all individuals with events at this location, d. 1040, of wounds after battle, Normandy Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 20 years)
3. Elinand ( Elinance or Helinant) de Toeni ( de Tosny), b. 1021, de Toeni, Normandy Find all individuals with events at this location, d. 1040, of wounds after battle, Normady Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 19 years)
4. Robert de Toeni ( de Tosny), Lord of Stafford Battle Roll of Battle Abbey, b. 1025, de Toeni, Normandy Find all individuals with events at this location, d. DECEASED
+ 5. Seigneur Raoul De Toeni, Iii, b. 1029, Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location, d. 24 Mar 1102, Conches-en-Ouche, Eure, Haute-Normandie, France Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 73 years)
6. Lord Robert De Toeni, of Belvoir, b. 1031, d. 1088 (Age 57 years)
7. Nigel de Toeni ( de Tosny), de Stafford Battle Roll of Battle Abbey, b. 1033, de Toeni, Normandy Find all individuals with events at this location, d. DECEASED
8. William de Toeni ( de Tosny), b. 1034, de Toeni, Normandy Find all individuals with events at this location, d. DECEASED
=== Normandy, France ===
Normandy, France
=== !Name,Bpl,Dd,UNMD,Bap,End-TIB FHL 884557 ===
!Name,Bpl,Dd,UNMD,Bap,End-TIB FHL 884557(de Toeni)
=== Hereditary Standard Bearer to the Duke ===
Hereditary Standard Bearer to the Duke of Normandy. Ralph was present at the Battle of Hastings, but apparently did not bear the Standard on that day, but served instead at his own request, as an ordinary knight.
=== "Falaise Roll" by Crispin & MacCary p.78 ===
"Falaise Roll" by Crispin & MacCary p.78
=== !Name,Byr,pla,Dyr,Spouse,Bap,End-TIB FHL ===
!Name,Byr,pla,Dyr,Spouse,Bap,End-TIB FHL 884557(de Toeni)
=== !Lord of Conches, Aquitaine and Toeni; d ===
!Lord of Conches, Aquitaine and Toeni; death between 1040 and 1051, on May 30 !.Ency. of Am. Biog., Am. Hist. Soc., R4A1 N.S. Vol. 17, p. 51; p. 61-4
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(21) dead
=== Roger, called de Toeni or de Conches; bo ===
Roger, called de Toeni or de Conches; born probably c1104; marriedIda, daughter of Baldwin III, Count of Hainault, and died betweenautumn 1157 and the beginning of 1162. [Burke's Peerage]
ROGER DE TOENI III, styled also DE CONCHES, 1st son and heir, was bornprobably about 1104, and succeeded his father about 1126. In 1131 heattested Henry I's pancarte confirming all the grants of his ancestorsand himself and others to the abbey of Conches. He is said to havewaged war with Hugh de Chateauneuf in 1133. In 1135 the King suspectedthat he was preparing to rebel, together with William Talvas, Count ofPonthieu, on behalf of Henry's son-in-law, Geoffrey Plantagenet, andsent his own soldiers to garrison the castle of Conches. After theKing's death Roger supported Geoffrey and his wife the Empress Maudagainst Stephen. After Easter 1136 hostilities began between him andthe King's generals, the twins Waleran, Count of Meulan, and Robert,Earl of Leicester; and civil war raged in May and June. In the autumnthe fighting flared up again; but on 3 October Roger was ambushed andcaptured by Count Waleran and Henry de la Pommeraye. His land was laidunder an interdict and he was kept in prison for more than 6 months,but was released in 1137. In May 1138 he was attacked by the Count ofMeulan and William d'Ypres, but defended himself successfully; and on7 September he captured Breteuil and burnt the town. However, beforethe end of 1138 he made peace with the twin Earls, who conducted himto England, where he was reconciled to King Stephen. Nothing is knownof what happened to his English lands during this period. In 1150 or1151 he was with Henry, Duke of Normandy, at Rouen. After Henry hadbecome King, Roger enjoyed the royal favour; for between Michaelmas1157 and Michaelmas 1158 the King granted him 100 solidates of land atHolkham, Norfolk. He was a benefactor to the abbeys of la Noë, Conchesand Bec.
He married Ida, daughter of BALDWIN III, COUNT OF HAINAULT, byYolande, daughter of Gerard, COUNT OF GUELDERS. With her he had inmarriage from Henry 120 librates of land out of the royal demesne atEast Bergholt, Suffolk. He died after Michaelmas 1157 and probablybefore 1162. [Complete Peerage XII/1:763-4, (transcribed by DaveUtzinger)]
'BEECHWOOD, or BEECHWOOD PARK, the seat of Sir John Sebright, Bart. inthe parish of Flamsfed, was anciently called Woodchurch, or St. Gilesin the Wood, from a Benedictine Nunnery founded here for a Prioressand ten Nuns, by Roger de Toni, in the time of King Stephen.' Rev. J.Hodgson, F.C. Laird, The Beauties of England and Wales (London:Longman & Co., et al., 1803), p. 148. See also David Hughson, London:Being an Accurate History and Description of the British Metropolis(London: J. Stratford, 1807), p. 39; John Preston Neale, The Mansionsof England (London: M.A. Nattali, 1847), Vol. I, p. 3p4.
'ST. GILES IN THE WOOD PRIORY, FLAMSTEAD
About the middle of the 12th century Roger de Todeni or Tony (fn. 1)founded at Flamstead a priory in honour of St. Giles for Benedictinenuns and endowed it with land and certain small tithes in the parish.(fn. 2) He ordained that the assent of himself and of his heirs mustbe obtained at the election of the prioress, and that without theirconsent there should never be more than thirteen nuns in the house.
1 This family held Flamstead from the time of the Domesday Surveyuntil the 14th century (V.C.H. Herts. ii, 194).
2 Dugdale, Mon. iv, 299, no. i. This is evidently the charter shown bythe prioress at a visitation in 1530.'
From: 'Houses of Benedictine nuns: St Giles in the wood priory,Flamstead', A History of the County of Hertford: Volume 4 (1971), pp.432-434. URL:https://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=37964 Dateaccessed: 10 December 2008.
'Towards the end of the 12th century Roger de Toeni was stillrecognized as overlord of Astley, (fn. 37) but after that time theconnexion of this family with the manor is not mentioned. (fn. 38)
36 V.C.H. Worcs. i, 310.
37 Ibid, i, 329; Cott. MS. Vesp. B xxiv, fol. 8.
38 See, however, V.C.H. Worcs. ii, 180, where Parnel de Toeni is shownto have claimed some interest in the priory in 1280.'
From: 'Parishes: Astley', A History of the County of Worcester: volume4 (1924), pp. 230-237. URL:http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=42887 Dateaccessed: 13 December 2008.
'WEST, or NORTH WROTHAM,
Belonged to Ralph de Toni at the Conquest, (fn. 1) who was son ofRoger de Toni, Standard-bearer of Normandy, and founder of the abbeyof Conchis in that dukedom; this Ralph was Standard-bearer to theConqueror in that memorable battle against King Harold, and by hiseminent service in it, became a sharer in those large possessionswhich were after that signal conquest disposed of to his friends andfollowers, and among others, had 19 lordships in Norfolk, these threebeing part of them, the biggest of which he gave (as is beforeobserved) to Bec abbey, and left the other two to Ralph, his son andheir, who left them at his death, to Roger his son and heir, who gavethis manor and advowson, with the mill and moors, and whatever he heldelse in the township, to the monks of Conchis, (fn. 2) who held themof his gift at his death, as belonging to their cell at WottonWawen inWarwickshire, which was in 1162.
1 Dug. Bar. vol. i. fol. 469.
2 Dug. Mon. Ang. tom. i. fol. 559.'
From: 'Hundred of Shropham: West, or North Wrotham ', An Essay towardsa Topographical History of the County of Norfolk: volume 1 (1805), pp.468-470. URL:http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=77138 Dateaccessed: 13 December 2008.
'Roger grandson of Ralph (fn. 45) was holding 2 hides at Alton in thetime of Stephen, (fn. 46) probably as overlord, as the manor seems tohave remained in the possession of the Prior of Ware, proctor of theabbey of St. Evroul in England.
44 Madan, Gresleys of Drakelow, 11.
45 Ibid. 13.
46 V.C.H. Worcs. i, 329.'
From: 'Parishes: Rock or Aka', A History of the County of Worcester:volume 4 (1924), pp. 319-328. URL:http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=42902 Dateaccessed: 14 December 2008.
Preferred Parents:
Father: Raoul seigneur de Tosny et de Conches II, b. BEF 960 in Tosny, Les Andelys, Eure, Haute-Normandie, France d. 1026 in Tosny, Les Andelys, Eure, Haute-Normandie, France
Mother: Judith de Bayeux, b. 974 in Bayeux, Bayeux, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France d. 1015 in Tosny, Les Andelys, Eure, Haute-Normandie, France
Family 1: Godechildis , b. 23 JUL 1010 in Barcelona, Catalonia, Crown of Aragon d. 25 JUL 1077 in Conches, Seine-et-Marne, Île-de-France, France
- Adelise de Tosny Countess of Hereford, b. 1028 in Louviers, Eure, Normandie, France d. 5 OCT 1070 in Lyre Abbey, Diocese Evreux, Normandy, France
- Raoul de Tosny seigneur de Conches-en-Ouche III, b. 1029 in Conches, Seine-Et-Marne, France d. 9 APR 1102 in Conches-en-Ouche, Departement de l'Eure, Haute-Normandie, France
- Robert Tosny Lord Of Stafford, b. 1 MAR 1030 in Tosny, Eure, Haute-Normandie, France d. 4 AUG 1088 in Belvoir Castle, Leicestershire, England
Family 2: Stephania de Barcelona, b. 23 JUL 1010 in Barcelona, Catalonia, Crown of Aragon, Spain d. 25 JUL 1077 in Conches, Seine-et-Marne, Île-de-France, France
- m. 1025 in Conches, Seine-et-Marne, Ile-de-France, France
Sources:
- Title: Racine Histoire - Arbre Généalogique détaillé des Tosny
Publication: Name: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Tosny.pdf;
- Title: Roger I Toeni, "Find A Grave Index" -this is a description of Roger II de Toéni who married Godechildis and had the named children herein-no edit function avail
Author: "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVGR-ZBJN : 8 August 2020), the Spaniard, de, ; Burial, Conches-en-Ouche, Departement de l'Eure, Haute-Normandie, France, Abbaye de Saint-Pierre-et-de-Saint-Paul; citing record ID 131414701, Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.
Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVGR-ZBJN;
- Title: Les premières croisades françaises en Espagne. Normands, Gascons, Aquitains et Bourguignons (1018-1032) [article]
Publication: Name: https://www.persee.fr/doc/hispa_0007-4640_1934_num_36_1_2607;
Note: Mentioned within the text.
- Title: Wikiwand
Author: Bibliography Boissonnade, P. (1934). "Les premières croisades françaises en Espagne: Normands, Gascons, Aquitains et Bourguignons (1018–1032)". Bulletin Hispanique. 36 (1): 5–28. doi:10.3406/hispa.1934.2607. Retrieved 15 November 2013. Cokayne, G.E., The complete peerage; or, A history of the House of lords and all its members from the earliest times, ed. Geoffrey H. White, Vol. XII/1 (London: The St. Catherine Press, Ltd., 1953) Douglas, David C., William the Conqueror (Berkeley; Los Angeles, The University of California Press, 1964) (in French) Lucien Musset, « Aux origines d'une classe dirigeante : les Tosny, grands barons normands du Xe au XIIe siècle », Sonderdruck aus Francia Forschungen zur westeuropäischen Geschichte, Munich, 1978, pp. 45–80 Lucas Villegas-Aristizabal, "Algunas notas sobre la participación de Rogelio de Tosny en la Reconquista Ibérica", Estudios Humanísticos de la Universidad de Leon, III, 2004, pp. 263–74. http://dialnet.unirioja.es/servlet/articulo?codigo=107
Publication: Name: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Roger_I_of_Tosny;
Note: Roger I of Tosny or Roger of Hispania (died c. 1040) was a Norman nobleman of the House of Tosny who took part in the Reconquista of Iberia.
Conches-en-Ouche_donjon.jpg
Keep (donjon) of Conches-en-Ouche, département Eure, Haute-Normandie, France. It was built 1035 by Roger I of Tosny and destroyed 1591 in the French Wars of Religion.
Career
Roger was the son of Raoul I of Tosny, seigneur de Conches. In 1013, Roger and his father Raoul guarded the castle at Tillières for Richard II, Duke of Normandy. A few years later, for an unknown reason, the pair were forced into exile and Tilliéres was taken from their custody (later given to Gilbert Crispin by Robert II). While his father gained a reputation for himself in Apulia, Roger did the same in fighting the Muslims in Iberia. The small Christian states of Northern Iberia welcomed volunteers and adventurers who they could use to mount a strong force for the Reconquista. Roger was summoned by Ermesinde of Carcassonne, regent-countess of Barcelona after the death of her husband Ramon Borrell, to help her against the Muslim threat to her power. Roger rushed to help, marrying Ermesende's daughter, terrorising the Saracens and capturing several towns and castles. Adémar de Chabannes gives an echo of the more or less legendary deeds of Roger in Iberia. He gained the nickname Mangeur de Maures (Moor-Eater). Adémar recounts that Roger took his captured Saracens each day and, in front of them, cut one of their number in two, boiling the first half and giving it to the other Muslims to eat, and pretending to take the other half into his own tent for him and his companions to eat. Then Roger allowed some of these prisoners to escape, to spread these horrific rumours.
Before 1024, Roger and his father gained permission from Richard II to return to Normandy, and Raoul died soon afterwards.
Roger de Tosny founded Conches-en-Ouche. He built its church of Sainte-Foy (before 1026) then the abbey of Saint-Pierre de Castillon (c. 1035) where monks from Fécamp Abbey were installed. This monastery was one of the first baronial foundations in Normandy The foundation charter reveals that the lord of Tosny gave it a small possession around Conches and his forest.
In 1035, Robert I's death began a troubled period in the duchy of Normandy. Civil wars multiplied and Roger (whose relations with his neighbours was already argumentative) was one of the main players in them. According to the Norman chroniclers, the lord of Tosny refused to serve the new duke, William II, because he was of illegitimate birth. He especially took advantage of the weakness of the duke's power by ravaging his neighbours' lands, notably those of Humphrey of Vieilles. Humphrey sent his son Roger to face Roger of Tosny, and around 1040 the latter was killed in battle, and his two eldest sons died a few weeks later of their wounds.
Peace was re-established between the Tosny family and the neighbouring families. The widow Gotelina/Godehildis was forced to marry Richard, Count of Évreux.
Family and descendants
Only one wife of Roger of Tosny is known by name, his widow, Adelaide (or Godehildis), who married Richard, Count of Évreux after Roger's death. It is unclear if she was his only wife. Children:
Helbert of Tosny, died in 1040, with his father.
Helinand of Tosny, died in May 1039, in Conches.
Vuazo of Tosny
Raoul II of Tosny, successor of his father.
Robert of Tosny, Lord of Stafford
Béranger l'Espagnol of Tosny
Adelise of Tosny, married Guillaume Fils Osbern.
Berthe of Tosny, married Guy de Laval.
References
van Houts, Normans, 269 n. 113. A name given him by Orderic Vitalis.
Cokayne, CP, XII/1, 755
Douglas, Wm Conq.,85
Bates, David (1 Nov 2016). William the Conqueror. Yale University Press. ISBN 9780300183832.
However, the marriage in Barcelona is uncertain. Gotelina/Godehildis, Roger's only wife to be known by name, was not Iberian but it is not known if she was his second or first wife. See Lucien Musset, "Aux origines d'une classe dirigeante : les Tosny, grands barons normands du Xe au XIIe siècle", Sonderdruck aus Francia Forschungen zur westeuropäischen Geschichte, Munich, 1978, p.53.
Chronique d'Adhémar de Chabanais, éd. J. Chavanon, Paris, 1897, p.178-179; Lucas Villegas-Aristizabal, "Roger of Tosny's adventures in the County of Barcelona", Nottingham Medieval Studies LII, 2008, pp. 5–16.
Its dedication was linked to the abbey of Sainte-Foy de Conques in Rouergue which Roger probably passed on his way out of Normandy or on his return from Iberia. See Lucien Musset, le nom de Conches « semble n'être qu'une simple transposition en langue d'oïl de celui de Conques »
Before this, creating or restoring monasteries had been a right reserved to the duke of Normandy alone.
Guillaume de Jumièges, Orderic Vitalis, Robert de Torigni, Histoire des Normands, éd. Guizot, Paris, 1826, p.169-170
Robert de Grandmesnil, ally of Roger I de Tosny
- Title: Foundation for Medieval Genealogy -Roger II de Tosny
Author: [1454] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. II, Liber III, I, p. 12. [1455] Jumièges, Tome I, XX, p. 63. [1456] Gallia Christiana, XI, Instrumenta, V, col. 128. [1457] Gallia Christiana, XI, Instrumenta, V, col. 128. [1458] Houts (2000), p. 214, quoting (in translation) Bouillet, A. (ed.) (1897) Liber Miraculorum sancte Fidis (Paris), pp. 144-5. [1459] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, IV, p. 269.
Publication: Name: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMANDY%20NOBILITY.htm#RogerIITosnyConches;
Note: One of the most controversial issues regarding the Tosny family is whether there were two individuals named Roger de Tosny who were active during the first half of the 11th century. Keats-Rohan raised the possibility that Roger de Tosny who travelled to Spain in [1018] (shown above as Roger [I]), was different from a younger Roger de Tosny (maybe nephew of Roger [I]) who founded Conches abbey (shown below as Roger [II])[1522]. The same theory has been espoused more recently by Jaime de Salazar Acha, although his main purpose is identifying the wife of Roger [I] as discussed above[1523]. The theory of two individuals is confirmed by the charter dated to [1040], quoted below, which is witnessed by both "Rodgerii filii Rodulfi" (assumed to be Roger [I]) and "Rogerii de Conchis" (Roger [II]). The parentage of Roger [II] has not been ascertained, but presumably he was closely related to Roger [I]. The estimated birth date “[before 1038]” of Raoul [III], son of Roger [II] see below, suggests that Roger [II] was considerably younger than Roger [I] and therefore may have been nephew of the latter. The fact that Roger [II] was ancestor of the later Tosny family is shown by two charters which record his descendants. Firstly, Henry I King of England confirmed the foundation of Conches by "Rogerius senior de Toenio et filius eius Radulphus senex et Radulphus juvenis filius prædicti Radulphi senis et Rogerius filius Radulphi juvenis", quoting the foundation by "Rogerius filius Radulphi Toteniensis" for the soul of "coniugis meæ Godehildis", by charter dated to [1130][1524]. Secondly, Henry II King of England confirmed the property of Conches, including donations by "Rogeris senior de Toenio et filius eius Radulfus senex et Radulphus juvenis filius predicti Radulphi senex et Roger filius Radulphi juvenis", by charter dated 1165 or [1167/73][1525].
ROGER [II] de Tosny [Conches] (-[after 1040]). Orderic Vitalis records that “Rogerius de Toenio” founded “cœnobium Castellionis alias de Conchis”[1526]. "…Rodgerii filii Rodulfi…Rogerii de Conchis" subscribed the charter dated to [1040] under which "Vuillelmus Ricardi magni ducis Normannorum filius" donated property to the abbey of Jumièges[1527]. Roger’s place of burial is confirmed by the charter dated to [1130] under which Henry I King of England confirmed the foundation of Conches by "Rogerius senior…", quoting the confirmation by "Radulphus de Totteneio cum Godehilde matre mea" for the burial of "patris mei Rogerii"[1528]. m as her first husband, GODECHILDIS, daughter of ---. Henry I King of England confirmed the foundation of Conches by "Rogerius senior de Toenio et filius eius Radulphus senex et Radulphus juvenis filius prædicti Radulphi senis et Rogerius filius Radulphi juvenis", quoting the foundation by "Rogerius filius Radulphi Toteniensis" for the soul of "coniugis meæ Godehildis", dated to [1130][1529]. The Miracles of Sainte-Foy recount her being cured of a serious illness by miracle, when she was still married to her first husband[1530]. She married secondly Richard Comte d'Evreux. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Richardus Ebroicensis comes filius Roberti Archiepiscopi” married “uxore Rogerii de Toenia” by whom he had “Willelmum qui nunc Ebroicensibus principatur”[1531]. Henry I King of England confirmed the foundation of Conches by "Rogerius senior de Toenio et filius eius Radulphus senex et Radulphus juvenis filius prædicti Radulphi senis et Rogerius filius Radulphi juvenis", quoting the donation by "Godehildis comitissa Ebroicæ civitatis, quondam uxor Rogerii de Totteneio" with the consent of "seniore meo comite Richardo", dated to [1130][1532]. Roger [II] & his wife had [three] children:
a) RAOUL [III] de Tosny ([before 1038]-24 Mar[1533] [1102], bur Conches Saint-Pierre).
b) [ADELISE (-6 Oct ----, bur Abbaye de Lyre).
c) [ROBERT [III] de Tosny (-[1088], bur [Evesham Abbey]).
- Title: Foundation for Medieval Genealogy -distinction between Roger I and Roger II of Espagne
Author: [1454] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. II, Liber III, I, p. 12. [1455] Jumièges, Tome I, XX, p. 63. [1456] Gallia Christiana, XI, Instrumenta, V, col. 128. [1457] Gallia Christiana, XI, Instrumenta, V, col. 128. [1458] Houts (2000), p. 214, quoting (in translation) Bouillet, A. (ed.) (1897) Liber Miraculorum sancte Fidis (Paris), pp. 144-5. [1459] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, IV, p. 269.
Publication: Name: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMANDY%20NOBILITY.htm#RogerConchesdied1040;
Note: One of the most controversial issues regarding the Tosny family is whether there were two individuals named Roger de Tosny who were active during the first half of the 11th century. Keats-Rohan raised the possibility that Roger de Tosny who travelled to Spain in [1018] (shown above as Roger [I]), was different from a younger Roger de Tosny (maybe nephew of Roger [I]) who founded Conches abbey (shown below as Roger [II])[1450].
The same theory has been espoused more recently by Jaime de Salazar Acha, although his main purpose is identifying the wife of Roger [I] as discussed above[1451]. The theory of two individuals is confirmed by the charter dated to [1040], quoted below, which is witnessed by both "Rodgerii filii Rodulfi" (assumed to be Roger [I]) and "Rogerii de Conchis" (Roger [II]). The parentage of Roger [II] has not been ascertained, but presumably he was closely related to Roger [I].
The estimated birth date “[before 1038]” of Raoul [III], son of Roger [II] see below, suggests that Roger [II] was considerably younger than Roger [I] and therefore may have been nephew of the latter. The fact that Roger [II] was ancestor of the later Tosny family is shown by two charters which record his descendants.
Firstly, Henry I King of England confirmed the foundation of Conches by "Rogerius senior de Toenio et filius eius Radulphus senex et Radulphus juvenis filius prædicti Radulphi senis et Rogerius filius Radulphi juvenis", quoting the foundation by "Rogerius filius Radulphi Toteniensis" for the soul of "coniugis meæ Godehildis", by charter dated to [1130][1452].
Secondly, Henry II King of England confirmed the property of Conches, including donations by "Rogeris senior de Toenio et filius eius Radulfus senex et Radulphus juvenis filius predicti Radulphi senex et Roger filius Radulphi juvenis", by charter dated 1165 or [1167/73][1453].
ROGER [I] de Tosny ([990]-killed in battle [before 17 Jun] [1040]). His parentage is confirmed by Guillaume of Jumièges who records that Richard II Duke of Normandy appointed “Nigellum Constantinensem atque Rodulfum Toennensem et Rogerium filium eiusdem” as custodians of “castrum Tegulense” (Tillières {Verneuil, Eure}), which the duke had built to protect against attack by Eudes [II] Comte de Blois (so dated to after 1004)[1424].
Roger [I] de Tosny spent time in Spain, returned to Normandy, and was killed in rebellion against Guillaume II Duke of Normandy. The precise chronology of these events is uncertain given the contradictions in the different primary sources as we shall see. Two sources record Roger in Spain in [1017/20]. Firstly, the Chronicle of Adémar de Chabannes (written before [1034]) records that "Normanni, duce Rotgerio" (presumably identifiable as Roger [I], although he never bore the ducal or even comital title), who had been fighting Saracens in Spain, asked "comitissa Barzelonensi Ermensende…vidua" for the hand of her (unnamed) daughter[1425].
This episode is dated to [1017/20], when Ermesinde was acting for her son Berenguer Ramon I “el Curvo” Comte de Barcelona during his minority. In addition, the other events recorded by Adémar in the same paragraph, all relate to 1016/18.
Secondly, the early 12th century Chronicon S Petri Vivi Senonensis records, in a section headed 1015 but whose coverage extends into later years, that "Rotgerius filius Rodulfi comitis" left Normandy with an army for Spain (“de Normannia perrexit cum exercitu in Hispaniam”) where he captured “civitates et castella...Tarraconam [Tarragona] et Gerundam [Girona]”, married “sororem Raymundi Berengerii Stephaniam”[1426].
The Chronicon S Petri Vivi Senonensis records that "Rotgerius filius Rodulfi comitis" lived in Spain “cum uxore et exercitu suo per 15 annos” before returning “ad patrem suum in Normanniam” (having left “20 viris et uxore et omnibus quæ possidebant” in Spain) to make peace “cum duce Richardo”[1427]. “Duce Richardo” was either Duke Richard II or Duke Richard III, but assuming that the Chronicon’s report is accurate (which is not without doubt) Roger [I]’s return from Spain to Normandy must be dated to before Aug 1027, when Duke Richard III died.
Roger’s presence in Normandy after this date is confirmed by two charters dated during the early 1030s: firstly, "…Rogerii filii Radulfi…" witnessed the charter dated to [1030] under which Robert II Duke of Normandy donated "in comitatu Abrincatensi villam…Sancti Johannis" to the abbey of Mont-Saint-Michel[1428], and secondly “...Rogerii Todelensis...” witnessed the charter dated [20 Jul 1031/Jul 1032] under which Robert II Duke of Normandy donated the church of Arques to Saint-Wandrille[1429]. After this time, the situation becomes confused, but indications are that Roger returned to Spain.
...m ([1017/20]) [--- de Barcelona, daughter of RAMÓN BORELL I Comte de Barcelona & his wife Ermesinde de Carcassonne]. The Chronicle of Adémar de Chabannes (written before [1034]) records that "Normanni, duce Rotgerio" (presumably identifiable as Roger [I], although he never bore the ducal or even comital title), who had been fighting Saracens in Spain, asked "comitissa Barzelonensi Ermensende…vidua" for the hand of her (unnamed) daughter[1439]. This episode is dated to [1017/20], when Ermesinde was acting for her son Berenguer Ramon I “el Curvo” Comte de Barcelona during his minority. In addition, the other events recorded by Adémar in the same paragraph, all relate to 1016/18. Europäische Stammtafeln names her “Adelaida (Papia)”[1440]. No primary source has been identified which confirms that either of these names is correct.
The early 12th century Chronicon S Petri Vivi Senonensi records, in a section headed 1015 but whose coverage extends into later years, that "Rotgerius filius Rodulfi comitis" left Normandy with an army for Spain (“de Normannia perrexit cum exercitu in Hispaniam”) where he married “sororem Raymundi Berengerii [Ramon Berenger [I] “el Viejo” Comte de Barcelona] Stephaniam” and lived there “cum uxore et exercitu suo per 15 annos” before returning “ad patrem suum in Normanniam” (having left “20 viris et uxore et omnibus quæ possidebant” in Spain) to make peace “cum duce Richardo”[1441].
Roger [I] & his wife had [three] children:
a) [ELBERT (-killed in battle [before 17 Jun] [1040]).
b) [ELINAND (-killed in battle [before 17 Jun] [1040]).
c) [VUASO . “...Vuaso filius Rogerii Tothennensis..
Page: the above is an excerpt, there is a lot of speculation as to whether there were two Roger de Toeni's born at similar times in Normandy...
- Title: Robert I de Tosny of Belvoir - Domesday Book
Publication: Name: https://opendomesday.org/place/TF0830/aslackby/;
- Title: Mosaic.nz - Raoul de Toeni - Tosni, Tosny
Author: Author not shown
Publication: Name: https://www.1066.co.nz/Mosaic%20DVD/library/people/toeni.htm;
- Title: Charles Mosley, Editor: "Burke's Peerage, Baronetage, And Knightage" (106th Edition)
Author: Charles Mosley, Editor: "Burke's Peerage, Baronetage, And Knightage" (106th Edition), Routledge, Abingdon, 1999 ISBN-10: 1579580831, ,ISBN-13: 978-1579580834
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