Herbert de Vermandois III

• Preferred Name: Herbert de Vermandois III^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] [26] [27] [28] [29] [30]}
  
• Gender: M
  
• Burial: in Lagny, Seine-et-Marne, Île-de-France, France at LATI: N8.8756 LONG: E0.7075
  
• ABDUCTED+EADGIFU+OF+WESSEX,+MOTHER+OF+KING+LOUIS+IV: 951 with note: Description: In 951 Herbert abducted Eadgifu from the convent at which she was living, spirited her off to France and married her, much to the anger of her son King Louis IV.
  
• Count+of+Vermandois: 943 with note: Description: from 943 until his death.
  
• http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Comte de Vermandois, d'Omois, de Troyes et de Meaux
  
• DID+NOT+SUCCEED+HIS+FATHER+AS+COUNT+OF+VERMANDOIS,+MEAUX,+OR+SOISSONS.: with note: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_II,_Count_of_Vermandois
  
• FSID: LCDM-NZH
  
• Death: 28 DEC 985 in Aisne, Picardie, France at LATI: N9.5 LONG: E0.5
  
• Birth: 910 in Vermandois, Aisne, Hauts-de-France, France at LATI: N9.87 LONG: E0.15
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  Herbert III of Omois, also known as Herbert the Old, Heribert le Vieux and Herbert III of Vermandois, was the son of Herbert II, Count of Vermandois and Adela of France, daughter of King Robert I of France. Born about 907, Herbert was not the oldest son and did not inherit the titles of Count of Vermandois, Count of Meaux, or Count of Soissons. He did, however, succeed his father as Count of Omois in 943 and held the title until his death. Along with Omois he also "received the fortress of Château-Thierry as well as the abbey of Saint-Médard, Soissons."
  
  CARE SHOULD BE TAKEN NOT TO CONFUSE HIM WITH HIS NEPHEWS: Herbert III of Vermandois, Count of Vermandois who lived 953–1015, and was the son of his older brother Adalbert I of Vermandois. AND Herbert III (Herbert the Younger), Count of Troyes and Meaux, who lived circa 950–995, and was the son of Robert of Vermandois, also the brother of Herbert the Old.
  
  In 923 Herbert III's father, Herbert II, participated in a successful revolt against the King of West Francia, Charles the Simple. Charles was overthrown and imprisoned by Herbert II until his death in 929. Charles Queen Eadgifu and young son had to flee to the safety of her family in England. It is therefore rather ironic that in 951 Herbert III abducted Charles widow from a convent in England, carried her off to France and married her. Eadgifu's son King Louis IV of France, who had regained the throne of West Francia, was understandably upset by his mother's abduction and marriage to the son of the man responsible for his father's death.
  Herbert and Eadgifu did not have any children, the marriage occurring late in life. Herbert died without heirs between 980 and 985. King Lothair, Herbert's step-grandson, divided his estates between his nephews, Eudes I, Count of Blois (son of Herbert's sister Luitgard) and Herbert IV, Count of Troyes and Meaux (son of Herbert's brother Robert).
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_III_of_Omois
  
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  There were 5 Herberts born of 'Vermandois'
  
  - Herbert I of Vermandois, son of Pepin of Vermandois
  
  - Herbert II of Vermandois, son of Herbert I of Vermandois
  
  including 3 'Herbert III'
  
  - Herbert III of Ormois AKA Herbert the old, son of Herbert II, born in Vermandois but Count of Omois
  - Herbert III of Vermandois, grandson of Herbert II, son of Adalbert I
  - Herbert III of Meaux AKA Herbert the Younger, grandson of Herbert II, son of Robert I
  
  === Herbert III of Vermandois but NOT COUNT OF VERMANDOIS ===
  Although often titled "Herbert III of Vermandois" this name causes a lot of confusion.
  
  Herbert the Old, Count of Omois was indeed 'of Vermandois' and 'one of the Vermandois brothers', and he was the son of Herbert II, named after his father and therefore was 'the Third' but there was more than one Herbert III.
  
  His brothers Robert and Adalbert ALSO NAMED SONS AFTER THEIR FATHER, these sons were also 'Herbert III'
  
  Herbert was titled 'the Old' and 'the Elder' in an effort to keep him straight from his nephews of similar name who were younger.
  
  Herbert the Old was born in Vermandois, the son of Herbert II, but he was Count of Omois.
  
  His nephews were:
  
  - Herbert III of Vermandois, son of Adalbert I; he became Count of Vermandois after his father (the brother of Herbert the Old) died.
  
  - Herbert III of Meaux also known as Herbert the Younger, was the son of Robert of Vermandois (the oldest brother of Herbert the Old); This Herbert III was Count of Meaux and Count of Troyes.
  
  === KEEPING THE HERBERTS STRAIGHT ===
  There were 5 Herberts born of 'Vermandois'
  - Herbert I of Vermandois, son of Pepin of Vermandois
  - Herbert II of Vermandois, son of Herbert I of Vermandois
  including 3 'Herbert III'
  - Herbert III of Ormois AKA Herbert the old, son of Herbert II, born in Vermandois but Count of Omois
  - Herbert III of Vermandois, grandson of Herbert II, son of Adalbert I
  - Herbert III of Meaux AKA Herbert the Younger, grandson of Herbert II, son of Robert I
  
  Please see the diagram below
  (does not list all the children of Herbert II only those necessary to clarify the Herberts)
  
  Herbert I of Vermandois - son of Pepin of Vermandois
  (848-907)
  + Bertha?
  _____|____________________________
  | | |
  Herbert II of Vermandois Beatrice Cunegonda
  (880-943)
  + Adela
  ___|_______________________________>
  | | |
  Adalbert I Herbert III of Omois Robert
  +Gerberge + Eadgifu +Adelais
  | (no issue) |
  Herbert III of Vermandois Herbert III of Meaux
  (953-1015) (950-995)
  +Hermengarde |
  _|_____________ Stephen
  | |
  Adalbert II Otto

1. x de VERMANDOIS, b. ABT 6 JAN 935    

1. Title: Louis IV of France From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
   Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_IV_of_France;
   Note: Louis IV (September 920 / September 921[1] – 10 September 954), called d'Outremer or Transmarinus (both meaning "from overseas"), reigned as king of West Francia from 936 to 954. A member of the Carolingian dynasty, he was the only son of king Charles the Simple and his second wife Eadgifu of Wessex, daughter of King Edward the Elder of Wessex.[2] His reign is mostly known thanks to the Annals of Flodoard and the later Historiae of Richerus. Louis was born in the heartlands of West Francia's Carolingian lands between Laon and Reims in 920 or 921.[3] From his father's first marriage with Frederuna (d. 917) he had six half-sisters. He was the only male heir to the throne. After the dethronement and capture of Charles the Simple in 923, following his defeat at the Battle of Soissons, queen Eadgifu and her infant son took refuge in Wessex (for this he received the nickname of d'Outremer) at the court of her father King Edward, and after Edward's death, of her brother King Æthelstan. Young Louis was raised in the Anglo-Saxon court until his teens. During this time he enjoyed legendary stories about Edmund the Martyr, King of East Anglia, an ancestor of his maternal family who had heroically fought against the Vikings.[4] Louis became the heir to the western branch of the Carolingian dynasty after the death of his captive father in 929, and in 936, at the age of 15, was recalled from Wessex by the powerful Hugh the Great, Margrave of Neustria, to succeed the Robertian king Rudolph who had died. Once he took the throne, Louis wanted to free himself from the tutelage of Hugh the Great, who, with his title of Duke of the Franks was the second most powerful man after the King. In 939, the young monarch attempted to conquer Lotharingia; however, the expedition was a failure and his brother-in-law, king Otto I of East Francia counterattacked and besieged the city of Reims in 940. In 945, following the death of William I Longsword, Duke of Normandy, Louis tried to conquer his lands, but was kidnapped by the men of Hugh the Great. The Synod of Ingelheim in 948 allowed the excommunication of Hugh the Great and released Louis from his long tutelage. From 950 Louis gradually imposed his rule in the northeast of the kingdom, building many alliances (especially with the Counts of Vermandois) and under the protection of the Ottonian kingdom of East Francia. continues...
   
2. Title: Herbert de Vermandois, Comte de Troyes, in Bibliotheque de L'Ecole des Hautes Etudes, pg. 10-11 and footnote 4 [See document in the Memories section]
   Author: Bibliotheque de L'Ecole des Hautes Etudes, pg. 10-11 and footnote 4
   Note: Herbert de Vermandois, Comte de Troyes, in Bibliotheque de L'Ecole des Hautes Etudes, pg. 10-11 and footnote 4 [See document in the Memories section]
   Page: Herbert de Vermandois, Comte de Troyes, in Bibliotheque de L'Ecole des Hautes Etudes, pg. 10-11 and footnote 4 [See document in the Memories section]
   
3. Title: A list of the Children of Herbert II, Count of Vermandois in La Champagne et les Derniers Carlovingiens, pg. intoduction iv and viii [See document in the Memories section]
   Author: La Champagne et les Derniers Carlovingiens, pg. intoduction iv and viii
   Note: A list of the Children of Herbert II, Count of Vermandois in La Champagne et les Derniers Carlovingiens, pg. intoduction iv and viii [See document in the Memories section]
   Page: A list of the Children of Herbert II, Count of Vermandois in La Champagne et les Derniers Carlovingiens, pg. intoduction iv and viii [See document in the Memories section]
   
4. Title: Family of Herbert II de Vermandois in Descendancy of Adam, pgs. 622-626 [See Document in the memories section]
   Author: Descendancy of Adam, pgs. 622-626
   Note: Family of Herbert II de Vermandois in Descendancy of Adam, pgs. 622-626 [See Document in the memories section]
   Page: Family of Herbert II de Vermandois in Descendancy of Adam, pgs. 622-626 [See Document in the memories section]
   
5. Title: Herbert I, II and III and Robert de Vermandois in Histoire de L'Etat de la Ville D'Amiens et de ses Comtes, pgs. 73-75 and 106-108 [See document in the Memories section]
   Author: Histoire de L'Etat de la Ville D'Amiens et de ses Comtes, pgs. 73-75 and 106-108
   Note: Herbert I, II and III and Robert de Vermandois in Histoire de L'Etat de la Ville D'Amiens et de ses Comtes, pgs. 73-75 and 106-108 [See document in the Memories section]
   Page: Herbert I, II and III and Robert de Vermandois in Histoire de L'Etat de la Ville D'Amiens et de ses Comtes, pgs. 73-75 and 106-108 [See document in the Memories section]
   
6. Title: Eadgifu of Wessex From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
   Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eadgifu_of_Wessex;
   Note: Eadgifu or Edgifu (902 – after 955) also known as Edgiva or Ogive (Old English: Ēadgifu) was a daughter[1] of Edward the Elder, King of Wessex and England, and his second wife Ælfflæd. She was born in Wessex. Eadgifu was one of three West Saxon sisters married to Continental rulers: the others were Eadgyth, who married Otto I, Holy Roman Emperor and Eadhild, who married Hugh the Great. Eadgifu became the second wife of King Charles III of France,[1] whom she married in 919 after the death of his first wife, Frederonne. Eadgifu was mother to Louis IV of France. In 922 Charles III was deposed and, after being defeated at the Battle of Soissons in 923, he was taken prisoner by Count Herbert II of Vermandois, an ally of the then current king. To protect her son's safety Eadgifu took him to England in 923 to the court of her half-brother, King Æthelstan of England.[2] Because of this, Louis IV of France became known as Louis d'Outremer of France. He stayed there until 936, when he was called back to France to be crowned King. Eadgifu accompanied him. She retired to a convent in Laon.[3] In 951, Heribert the Old, Count of Omois, abducted and married her, to the great anger of her son.
   
7. Title: Eve de Rousillion and Gerard de Rousillion in History and Genealogy of Ancesters [sic], Descendants and Allied Families of Charles and Margaret Wade, pg. 178B and 178C [See document in the Memories section]
   Author: History and Genealogy of Ancesters [sic], Descendants and Allied Families of Charles and Margaret Wade, pg. 178B and 178C.
   Note: Eve de Rousillion and Gerard de Rousillion in History and Genealogy of Ancesters [sic], Descendants and Allied Families of Charles and Margaret Wade, pg. 178B and 178C [See document in the Memories section]
   Page: Eve de Rousillion and Gerard de Rousillion in History and Genealogy of Ancesters [sic], Descendants and Allied Families of Charles and Margaret Wade, pg. 178B and 178C [See document in the Memories section]
   
8. Title: Herbert I, II, III and IV de Vermandois in Ancestors and Kin, pg. 114 [See document in the Memories section]
   Author: Ancestors and Kin, pg. 114
   Note: Herbert I, II, III and IV de Vermandois in Ancestors and Kin, pg. 114 [See document in the Memories section]
   Page: Herbert I, II, III and IV de Vermandois in Ancestors and Kin, pg. 114 [See document in the Memories section]
   
9. Title: Dukes and Counts of Vermandois in Dictionnaire Historique Genealogique et Geographique du Department de L'Aisne, pg. 262-263 [See document in the Memories section]
   Author: Dictionnaire Historique Genealogique et Geographique du Department de L'Aisne, pg. 262-263
   Note: Dukes and Counts of Vermandois in Dictionnaire Historique Genealogique et Geographique du Department de L'Aisne, pg. 262-263 [See document in the Memories section]
   Page: Dukes and Counts of Vermandois in Dictionnaire Historique Genealogique et Geographique du Department de L'Aisne, pg. 262-263 [See document in the Memories section]
   
10. Title: Bernard, Pepin, Herbert I and Herbert II de Vermandois in A Carolina-Virginia Genealogy, pg. 309-310 [See document in the Memories section]
    Author: A Carolina-Virginia Genealogy, pg. 309-310.
    Note: Bernard, Pepin, Herbert I and Herbert II de Vermandois in A Carolina-Virginia Genealogy, pg. 309-310 [See document in the Memories section]
    Page: Bernard, Pepin, Herbert I and Herbert II de Vermandois in A Carolina-Virginia Genealogy, pg. 309-310 [See document in the Memories section]
    
11. Title: Herbert I, II, III and IV de Vermandois in Abrege Chronologique des Grands Fiefs de la Couronne de France, pg. 10-13 [See document in the Memories section]
    Author: Abrege Chronologique des Grands Fiefs de la Couronne de France, pg. 10-13
    Publication: Name: https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/138826358;
    Note: Herbert I, II, III and IV de Vermandois in Abrege Chronologique des Grands Fiefs de la Couronne de France, pg. 10-13 [See document in the Memories section]
    Page: Herbert I, II, III and IV de Vermandois in Abrege Chronologique des Grands Fiefs de la Couronne de France, pg. 10-13 [See document in the Memories section]
    
12. Title: Herbert I, II and III de Vermandois in Documents Relatifs Au Comte de Champagne et de Brie, Vol II, pg. 9 [See document in the Memories section]
    Author: Documents Relatifs Au Comte de Champagne et de Brie, Vol II, pg. 9
    Note: Herbert I, II and III de Vermandois in Documents Relatifs Au Comte de Champagne et de Brie, Vol II, pg. 9 [See document in the Memories section]
    Page: Herbert I, II and III de Vermandois in Documents Relatifs Au Comte de Champagne et de Brie, Vol II, pg. 9 [See document in the Memories section]
    
13. Title: WIKIPEDIA: Herbert III of Omois
    Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_III_of_Omois;
    Note: Herbert III d'Omois, Herbert the old (or Herbert III of Vermandois, 910 – 980/985) was count of Omois from 943 to his death. He was the son of Herbert II, Count of Vermandois and Adela of France, daughter of King Robert I of France.[1] In 943 after his father died, he succeeded as count of Omois[2] "and received the fortress of Château-Thierry as well as the abbey of Saint-Médard, Soissons." In 951, in his late years, he was married to Eadgifu of Wessex, daughter of Edward the Elder, King of England, and widow of Charles the Simple, King of West Francia.[1] After his death, King Lothair divided his estates between his nephews, Eudes I, Count of Blois and Herbert IV, Count of Troyes and Meaux. Because he is sometimes referred to as "Herbert III of Vermandois, Count of Omois" he is often confused with his nephew Herbert III of Vermandois, Count of Vermandois who lived 953 to 1015, and was the son Adalbert I, Count of Vermandois. References Riche 1983, p. Table 8. Dunbabin 2005, p. 96. Sources Dunbabin, Jean (2005). France in the Making 843-1180. Oxford University Press. Riché, Pierre (1983). The Carolingians: A Family who Forged Europe. Translated by Allen, Michael Idomir. University of Pennsylvania Press. External links Comtes de Vermandois Généalogie d'Herbert le Vieux sur le site Medieval Lands (in French) Généalogie d'Herbert II de Vermandois, son père, sur le site Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (in French)
    
14. Title: Thibaut l'Ancien, Thibaut le Tricheur and Luitgarde de Vermandois in Descendancy of Adam, pgs. 623 and 696 [See document in the Memories section]
    Author: Descendancy of Adam, pgs. 623 and 696
    Note: Thibaut l'Ancien, Thibaut le Tricheur and Luitgarde de Vermandois in Descendancy of Adam, pgs. 623 and 696 [See document in the Memories section]
    Page: Thibaut l'Ancien, Thibaut le Tricheur and Luitgarde de Vermandois in Descendancy of Adam, pgs. 623 and 696 [See document in the Memories section]
    
15. Title: Liutgarde de Vermandois and Thibaut le Tricheur in Dow, Ball, Eaton and Allied Families, pg. 289 [See document in the Memories section]
    Author: Dow, Ball, Eaton and Allied Families, pg. 289
    Note: Liutgarde de Vermandois and Thibaut le Tricheur in Dow, Ball, Eaton and Allied Families, pg. 289 [See document in the Memories section]
    Page: Liutgarde de Vermandois and Thibaut le Tricheur in Dow, Ball, Eaton and Allied Families, pg. 289 [See document in the Memories section]
    
16. Title: Edward “the Elder”, King of Wessex, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20AngloSaxon%20&%20Danish%20Kings.htm#Eadhilddied937 [See document in the Memories section]
    Publication: Name: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20AngloSaxon%20&%20Danish%20Kings.htm#Eadhilddied937;
    Note: Edward “the Elder”, King of Wessex, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20AngloSaxon%20&%20Danish%20Kings.htm#Eadhilddied937 [See document in the Memories section]
    Page: Edward “the Elder”, King of Wessex, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20AngloSaxon%20&%20Danish%20Kings.htm#Eadhilddied937 [See document in the Memories section]
    
17. Title: Herbert I, II and III de Vermandois in Collection de Documents Inedits sur L'Histoire de France, Vol. 2, pg. 9 [See document in the Memories section]
    Author: Collection de Documents Inedits sur L'Histoire de France, Vol. 2, pg. 9
    Note: Herbert I, II and III de Vermandois in Collection de Documents Inedits sur L'Histoire de France, Vol. 2, pg. 9 [See document in the Memories section]
    Page: Herbert I, II and III de Vermandois in Collection de Documents Inedits sur L'Histoire de France, Vol. 2, pg. 9 [See document in the Memories section]
    
18. Title: -
    Page: Herbert I and II de Vermandois in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#HeribertIdied900907 [See document in the Memories section]
    
19. Title: Pepin, Bernard, Pepin, Herbert I and Herbert II de Vermandois in Stokes - 100 Years, pg. 30 [See document in the Memories section]
    Author: Stokes - 100 Years, pg. 30.
    Note: Pepin, Bernard, Pepin, Herbert I and Herbert II de Vermandois in Stokes - 100 Years, pg. 30 [See document in the Memories section]
    Page: Pepin, Bernard, Pepin, Herbert I and Herbert II de Vermandois in Stokes - 100 Years, pg. 30 [See document in the Memories section]
    
20. Title: Children of Herbert II de Vermandois in Abrege Chronologique des Grands Fiefs, pg. 11 [See document in the memories section]
    Author: Abrege Chronologique des Grands Fiefs, pg. 11
    Note: Children of Herbert II de Vermandois in Abrege Chronologique des Grands Fiefs, pg. 11 [See document in the memories section]
    Page: Children of Herbert II de Vermandois in Abrege Chronologique des Grands Fiefs, pg. 11 [See document in the memories section]
    
21. Title: Heribert II, Comte de Vermandois; and sons Eudes, Comte de Vienne; Heribert III, Comte d’Omois; Robert, Comte de Troyes; Adalbert, Comte de Vermandois; and Guy, Comte de Soissons, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy
    Publication: Name: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#HeribertIIdied943B;
    Note: Heribert II, Comte de Vermandois; and sons Eudes, Comte de Vienne; Heribert III, Comte d’Omois; Robert, Comte de Troyes; Adalbert, Comte de Vermandois; and Guy, Comte de Soissons, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#HeribertIIdied943B [See document in the Memories section]
    Page: Heribert II, Comte de Vermandois; and sons Eudes, Comte de Vienne; Heribert III, Comte d’Omois; Robert, Comte de Troyes; Adalbert, Comte de Vermandois; and Guy, Comte de Soissons, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy
    
22. Title: Herbert II and III de Vermandois in Documents Relatifs au Comte de Champagne et de Brie, Vol. II, pgs. 97 and 105 [See document in the Memories section]
    Author: Documents Relatifs au Comte de Champagne et de Brie, Vol. II, pgs. 97 and 105
    Note: Herbert II and III de Vermandois in Documents Relatifs au Comte de Champagne et de Brie, Vol. II, pgs. 97 and 105 [See document in the Memories section]
    Page: Herbert II and III de Vermandois in Documents Relatifs au Comte de Champagne et de Brie, Vol. II, pgs. 97 and 105 [See document in the Memories section]
    
23. Title: CHARLES III "le Simple", King of the West Franks, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAROLINGIANS.htm#CharlesIIIleSimpleFrancesB [See document in the Memories section]
    Publication: Name: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAROLINGIANS.htm#CharlesIIIleSimpleFrancesB;
    Note: CHARLES III "le Simple", King of the West Franks, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAROLINGIANS.htm#CharlesIIIleSimpleFrancesB [See document in the Memories section]
    Page: CHARLES III "le Simple", King of the West Franks, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAROLINGIANS.htm#CharlesIIIleSimpleFrancesB [See document in the Memories section]
    
24. Title: Liutgarde de Vermandois and Thibaut le Tricheur in Tableaux Genealogiques de la Maison Royale de France, pg. 69-71 [See document in the Memories section]
    Author: Tableaux Genealogiques de la Maison Royale de France, pg. 69-71
    Note: Liutgarde de Vermandois and Thibaut le Tricheur in Tableaux Genealogiques de la Maison Royale de France, pg. 69-71 [See document in the Memories section]
    Page: Liutgarde de Vermandois and Thibaut le Tricheur in Tableaux Genealogiques de la Maison Royale de France, pg. 69-71 [See document in the Memories section]
    
25. Title: HERIBERT [III] Comte "le Vieux" [de Vermandois], son of HERIBERT [II] Comte de Vermandois - Foundation for Medieval Genealogy
    Publication: Name: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#Heribertdied980984;
    Note: HERIBERT [II], son of HERIBERT [I] Comte de Vermandois & his wife [Lietgardis] --- ([880]-23 Feb 943, bur Saint Quentin). None of the sources so far consulted state explicitly that Héribert [II] and his sister Beatrix were the children of Héribert [I] but this looks probable. He succeeded his father in [900/907] as Comte de Meaux, de Soissons et de Vermandois. Lay Abbot of St Crépin and St Médard at Soissons. Comte Héribert took part in the rebellion against Charles III “le Simple” King of France in 922 and tricked the ex-king into capture after he fled following his defeat near Soissons in 923. Flodoard records in 923 that "Heribertus comes" sent “Bernardum consobrinum suum” with a delegation “ad Karolum” who was “in castello suo super Somnam apud Sanctum Quintinum”, and who was detained “in...munitionem suam...Castellum Theoderici super Maternam fluvium”[198]. Héribert consolidated his power by arranging for his young son to be made Archbishop of Reims. Comte Héribert received Péronne from Raoul King of France in 924. Together with forces of Arnoul I Count of Flanders, Héribert captured the Viking stronghold of Eu[199]. Following this he apparently forged an alliance with Comte Rollo in [927][200], leaving his son Eudes with Rollo as a hostage. Comte Héribert unsuccessfully attempted to capture Laon in 927[201]. [Comte de Vienne]: Flodoard records that Ugo King of Italy gave "provintiam Viennensem" to Héribert Comte de Varmandois in 928, and that "Odonis filii sui [=Heriberto]" was appointed vicecomes[202]. No primary source has yet been identified which describes Héribert as “Comte de Vienne” or confirms whether he adopted the comital title. Flodoard provides an insight into the continuing rivalries regarding Vienne when he records in 933 that it was granted to "Rodulfo regi" [Rudolf II King of Upper Burgundy, see the document BURGUNDY KINGS][203]. With help from Hugues "le Grand" [Capet], King Raoul subdued Vermandois and Comte Héribert made his submission to the king[204]. In 939. Héribert joined the alliance against Louis IV King of France led by Otto I "der Große" King of Germany, who raided Frankish territory and forced King Louis to renounce his claim to the throne of Lotharingia. Together with Hugues "le Grand" [Capet], Héribert besieged Reims, forcing the restoration of his son as archbishop, and also besieged King Louis at Laon. Flodoard records the death of "Heribertus comes" in 943 and his burial at Saint-Quentin[205]. The necrology of Reims Cathedral records the death "VII Kal Mar" of "Heribertus comes"[206]. On his death in 943, his territories were divided between his sons by their maternal uncle Hugues "le Grand". m (before 21 May 907) [ADELA], daughter of ROBERT Marquis en Neustrie, Comte de Paris [later ROBERT I King of France] & his first wife [Adela] --- (before 898-). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to "comitis Heriberti gener…Roberti" and in a later passage to the sister of "dux Hugo Cappatus" as the wife of "comitis Heriberti de Peroni, Campanie et Veromandie" but does not name her[207]. Her origin is confirmed by Flodoard naming "Hugo dux cum nepotibus suis, Heriberti filiis" in 943[208]. Her birth date is estimated from the birth of her first child in [915]. Her name is deduced as follows. The 21 May 907 donation of Rebais abbey to the church of Paris refers to "comitis Rotberti et Adele comitisse"[209]. Although this phrasing usually indicates husband and wife, Settipani suggests that the chronology of the life of King Robert's son Hugues (attested as Robert's son by his second wife Béatrix) favours his birth, and therefore his father's second marriage, well before 907, which would mean "Adele" could not have been Robert's wife. This reasoning appears based firstly on Hugues already being married in [914], and secondly on the probability of his having reached the age of majority when he was recognised as duke in 922. The 907 document is explained as referring to Robert and his elder daughter. The issue, however, is not beyond doubt, especially if the document in question was misdated. Her marriage date assumes that this identification is correct. Comte Héribert II & his wife had [eight] children: 1. ODO [Eudes] ([915]-after 19 Jun 946). Vicomte de Vienne 2. ADELA de Vermandois ([915]-[Bruges 10 Oct] 960, bur Ghent, St Pieter). 3. HERIBERT [III] "le Vieux" ([910/26]-[983/early 985], bur Lagny). Flodoard names "Heriberti Adalberti fratris" when recording his marriage, and in a later passage "nepotes Hugonis, Heribertus et Rotbertus"[218]. His date of birth has been estimated at [910/15] by Werner[219], whereas Settipani supports a later estimate of [925/26][220]. The former appears more consistent with Héribert's participation in his father's war from 938. If the latter is correct, comte Héribert would have been more than 20 years younger than his wife, which seems unlikely. There appears to be no basis for deciding between one or the other. He is documented with his father between 938 and 942 in the latter's war against King Louis IV, submitting to the king with his father in 942. Under the division of territories organised after his father's death in 943, Héribert became Comte d'Omois and received the fortress of Château-Thierry as well as the abbey of Saint-Médard, Soissons. King Lothaire appointed him comte du palais (comte palatin). He succeeded his brother Robert in 967 as Comte de Meaux et de Troyes. His proposed death date range in [983/early 985] is estimated on the following basis. A letter of Gerbert dated 983 records that "Heriberti Trecassini et Oddonis comitis filii Tedbaldi" were enemies of "Adelbero Remonis archiepiscopus"[221]. However, a letter dated to Apr 985 names "Ottonis et Heriberti", while a letter dated to mid-985 records that "Ottonem, Heribertum" made peace with the archbishop[222]. Another letter of Gerbert dated to [late 986/early 987] records that "O et Heribertus comites" were part of the council of Emma Queen of France[223]. It is assumed that "Oddonis/Ottonem/O" all refer to the same person. However, it is suggested that only the first letter applies to Héribert [III], the change to Héribert [V] (nephew and successor of Héribert [III], son of the latter's brother Robert) being indicated in the subsequent letters by "Heribertum" being named after "Ottonem" instead of before, which suggests that he was the junior of the two from Apr 985. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records the burial of "comes Trecensis Heribertus II cognomento Vetulus" in "abbatiam Latiniaci"[224]. m (951) as her second husband, EADGIFU, widow of CHARLES III "le Simple" King of the Franks, daughter of EDWARD I King of Wessex & his second wife Ælfleda --- ([902/05][225]-26 Sep after 951, bur Abbaye de Saint-Médard de Soissons). Flodoard records in 951 that “Ottogeba regina mater Ludowici regis” married “Heriberti...Adalberti fratris” and that “rex Ludowicus iratus” confiscated “abbatiam sanctæ Mariæ...Lauduni” from her and donated it to “Gerbergæ uxori suæ”[226]. 4. HUGUES (920-Meaux 962). 5. LUITGARDIS (before 925-14 Nov after 985, bur Chartres, Abbaye de Saint-Père). m firstly ([935]) as his second wife, GUILLAUME I “Longuespée” Comte [de Normandie], son of ROBERT I [Rollo] Comte [de Normandie] & his [second] wife Poppa de Bayeux (-murdered Péquigny-sur-Somme 17 Dec 942, bur Rouen, cathédrale de Notre-Dame). m secondly ([942/45]) THIBAUT [II] "le Tricheur" Comte de Blois, son of THIBAUT [I] "l'Ancien" Comte de Blois, Vicomte de Tours & his first wife --- (-16 Jan [975/77]). 6. ROBERT (-after 19 Jun 966). Under the division of territories organised after his father's death in 943, Robert became Comte de Meaux. He became Comte de Troyes in 956 on the death of his father-in-law, by right of his wife. 7. ADALBERT [Albert] (-8 Sep 987). Flodoard names "Adalbertus filius Heriberti"[244]. Under the division of territories organised after his father's death in 943, Albert became Comte de Vermandois. 8. [GUY (-after [986]). Comte de Soissons.
    Page: Identifies HERIBERT [III] "le Vieux" as the son of Comte Héribert II & his wife ADELA, daughter of ROBERT I King of France' Was a middle child, one of 8 children, his siblings were: Odo, Adela, Hughes, Luitgardis, Robert Adalbert, and Guy. Heribert was born about 910 and died between 983 and 985, he was buried at Lagny. In 951 he married as her second husband, EADGIFU, widow of CHARLES III King of the Franks, daughter of EDWARD I King of Wessex & his second wife Ælfleda, they had no children. In 943, Héribert became Comte d'Omois and received the fortress of Château-Thierry as well as the abbey of Saint-Médard, Soissons. King Lothaire appointed him comte du palais (comte palatin). He succeeded his brother Robert in 967 as Comte de Meaux et de Troyes.
    
26. Title: Pepin, Herbert I, Herbert II, Hughes, Robert de Vermandois in Les Annales de Flodoard, pgs. vi, x, xi, 14 footnote 2, 120 footnote 5, 145 footnote 6 and 155 footnote 2 [See document in the Memories section]
    Author: Les Annales de Flodoard, pgs. vi, x, xi, 14 footnote 2, 120 footnote 5, 145 footnote 6 and 155 footnote 2
    Note: Pepin, Herbert I, Herbert II, Hughes, Robert de Vermandois in Les Annales de Flodoard, pgs. vi, x, xi, 14 footnote 2, 120 footnote 5, 145 footnote 6 and 155 footnote 2 [See document in the Memories section]
    Page: Pepin, Herbert I, Herbert II, Hughes, Robert de Vermandois in Les Annales de Flodoard, pgs. vi, x, xi, 14 footnote 2, 120 footnote 5, 145 footnote 6 and 155 footnote 2 [See document in the Memories section]
    
27. Title: Heribert III de Vermandois, "Find A Grave Index"
    Author: "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVGR-ZBKP : 15 June 2022), Heribert III de Vermandois, ; Burial, Lagny-sur-Marne, Departement de Seine-et-Marne, Île-de-France, France, Abbaye Saint-Pierre de Lagny-sur-Marne; citing record ID 134740657, Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.
    Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVGR-ZBKP;
    Page: Find A Grave Index
    
28. Title: Edward “the Elder”, King of England, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20AngloSaxon%20&%20Danish%20Kings.htm#Edwarddied924A [See document in the Memories section]
    Publication: Name: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20AngloSaxon%20&%20Danish%20Kings.htm#Edwarddied924A;
    Note: Edward “the Elder”, King of England, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20AngloSaxon%20&%20Danish%20Kings.htm#Edwarddied924A [See document in the Memories section]
    Page: Edward “the Elder”, King of England, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20AngloSaxon%20&%20Danish%20Kings.htm#Edwarddied924A [See document in the Memories section]
    
29. Title: Herbert III de Vermandois, Comte de Troyes, in Dictionnaire Topographique de la France, pg. xxxi introduction [See document in the Memories section]
    Author: Dictionnaire Topographique de la France, pg. xxxi introduction
    Note: Herbert III de Vermandois, Comte de Troyes, in Dictionnaire Topographique de la France, pg. xxxi introduction [See document in the Memories section]
    Page: Herbert III de Vermandois, Comte de Troyes, in Dictionnaire Topographique de la France, pg. xxxi introduction [See document in the Memories section]
    
30. Title: Bertha (Beatrice) de Morvois and Herbert I and Herbert II de Vermandois in The Ancestors of Eleanor Bedford Wilkins Cooch and Edward Webb Cooch, pg. 38-39 [See document in the Memories section]
    Author: The Ancestors of Eleanor Bedford Wilkins Cooch and Edward Webb Cooch, pg. 38-39.
    Note: Bertha (Beatrice) de Morvois and Herbert I and Herbert II de Vermandois in The Ancestors of Eleanor Bedford Wilkins Cooch and Edward Webb Cooch, pg. 38-39 [See document in the Memories section]
    Page: Bertha (Beatrice) de Morvois and Herbert I and Herbert II de Vermandois in The Ancestors of Eleanor Bedford Wilkins Cooch and Edward Webb Cooch, pg. 38-39 [See document in the Memories section]