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Paterna de Castilla Reina Consorte de Asturias
- Preferred Name: Paterna de Castilla Reina Consorte de Asturias[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9]
- Alternate Name: Paterna de Castile Queen of Asturias
- Gender: F
- Death: Y
- Burial: in Oviedo, Asturias, España at LATI: N3.3615 LONG: E5.8495 with note: Oviedo, Kingdom of Asturias (Spain)
- http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Reina consorte de Asturias with note: We don't know the dates
- FSID: L8S8-F6M
- Notes:
=== Life Sketch ===
Paterna de Castilla, reina consorte de Asturias
Inglés: Paterna of Castile, queen consort of Asturias
Fecha de nacimiento: unknown
Lugar de Nacimiento: Castile, Spain
Defunción: unknown
Lugar de entierro:
Familia inmediata:
When Alfonso II died, his kinsman and prospective successor was in Castile for his marriage. He returned and with his son Ordoño foiught and defeated the king's nephew Nepomucino in order to become king. The name Paterna appears as his wife in a document during his reign (though the authenticity of the document is disputed). As such, paterna was either the wife he was in Castile to marry in 842, or a subsequent wife, and was not mother of Ordoño, who was already old enough to fight at that time. It is not known whether she survived her husband or not.
=== THE PLANTAGENET ANCESTRY (GS NUMBER Q940 ===
I unified it but you have to analyze it better, there are links now from the FMG Foundation Medieval Genealogi and
https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_5b95KSxDFx4C/page/n186/mode/thumb
and others who search by name where the books are now being attached for analysis. A study has to be carried out and the unification of children has to be right.
But as she was, she couldn't stay, they passed her up as Ramiro's grandmother, which she couldn't, yes there are several discrepancies in the names.
There has to be a better study to bring the truth closer to what this person was.
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Lo unifiqué pero hay que analizarlo mejor, ahora hay enlaces de la FMG Foundation Medieval Genealogi y
https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_5b95KSxDFx4C/page/n186/mode/thumb
y otros que buscan por nombre donde ahora se adjuntan los libros para su análisis. Hay que hacer un estudio y la unificación de los hijos tiene que ser correcta.
Pero como estaba no pudo quedarse, la pasaron por abuela de Ramiro, que no pudo, eso sí hay varias discrepancias en los nombres.
Tiene que haber un mejor estudio para acercar la verdad a lo que era esta persona.
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eu unifiquei mas tem que analisar melhor existem os links agora do FMG Foundatiom Medieval Genealogi e
https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_5b95KSxDFx4C/page/n186/mode/thumb
e outros que faz busca pelo nome onde estão sendo anexos os livros agora para analise. Tem que se fazer um estudo e acertar a unficação deixo filhos .
Mas como estava não podeia ficar passaram ela para cima como avó do Ramiro o que não podia, sim os nomes existem várias discrepâncias.
Tem que haver estudo melhor para trazer a verdade ou o mais próximo do que foi desta pessoa.
=== Not named Urraca ===
In the chronicle sources, this woman is named as Paterna.
Unfortunately, in a sloppy period of Iberian genealogy, this woman had the name Urraca associated with her. This apparently arose through confusion. In the early 10th century, infante Ramiro, son of Alfonso III, appears in a charter with, and may have married, Urraca, widow of his brother Fruela II. This was wrongly interpreted as a reference to Ramiro I, and further charters were forged for the latter to reaffirm the association, but no authentic mention of anyone named Urraca has been found in Asturias prior to Fruela II's marriage. This incorrect information, that the wife of Ramiro I supposedly was named Urraca, has made it into the internet genealogies, where it keeps getting copied back and forth but there is no basis for it in the authentic historical record.
=== Dame de Castille (i.e. originaire de...) ===
Dame de Castille (i.e. originaire de...)
=== Not Urraca ===
Over centuries, it became common for historians to refer to the wife of Ramiro as Urraca. There are no authentic documents from the period of the marriage referring to Ramiro, let alone a wife.
An undated charter is known (authenticity disputed) naming 'king Ramiro' and Urraca that appears to be the source of the name Urraca as wife of Ramiro I's wife. There is a problem with this interpretation. Ramiro I was not king during the time he was married to Ordono's mother, supposedly this Urraca. He was in Castile to get remarried at the time Alfonso II died. His son Ordono immediately took up arms to support his father's succession right, so he was already an adult, not son of the new Catillian wife. Thus this document cannot be referring to Ordono's mother.
Most historians over the past century have concluded that this document refers to Ramiro, younger (perhaps illegitimate) son of Alfonso III, who briefly and unsuccessfully claimed the right to rule in the chaos that followed the death of his brother Fruela II. In this interpretation, Urraca would be Fruela's widow, the well-documented Urraca bint Abdullah of the Banu Qasi. As such, the only surviving medieval evidence for a 'king Ramiro' associated with a Queen Urraca seems to be referring to a different man, not Ramiro I, and Ramiro's early wife, the mother of Ordono I, remains to be identified.
=== THE PLANTAGENET ANCESTRY (GS NUMBER Q940 ===
THE PLANTAGENET ANCESTRY (GS NUMBER Q940 D2TR) P.16, 17, 38; SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 SO68) P.14;
Family 1: Ramiro I de Asturias, b. 1 FEB 790 in Oviedo, Asturias, España d. 1 FEB 850 in Oviedo, Asturias, Asturias, Spain
- m. ABT 842 in Castile, Spain
Sources:
- Title: Legacy NFS Source: Urraca Paterna - birth-name: Urraca Paterna
Author: Ancestry Family Trees, Name: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com. Original data: Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members.;, Ancestry.com, http://www.Ancestry.com, null, Page number: Ancestry Family Trees
Note: birth-name: Urraca Paterna
This information comes from 1 or more individual Ancestry Family Tree
files. This source citation points you to a current version of those
files. Note: The owners of these tree files may have removed or
changed information since this source citation was created.
Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:3243992500
- Title: Legacy NFS Source: Paterna DECastile - birth-name: Paterna DECastile
Author: Ancestry Family Trees, Name: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com. Original data: Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members.;, Ancestry.com, http://www.Ancestry.com, null, Page number: Ancestry Family Trees
Note: birth-name: Paterna DECastile
This information comes from 1 or more individual Ancestry Family Tree
files. This source citation points you to a current version of those
files. Note: The owners of these tree files may have removed or
changed information since this source citation was created.
Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:3243992500
- Title: do a name search in this World file to be sure. Before attaching or making modifications. ASTURIAS & LEON, KINGS v4.0 Updated 28 February 2019/Foundation for Medieval Genealogy: Home
Author: I unified it but you have to analyze it better, there are links now from the FMG Foundation Medieval Genealogi and https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_5b95KSxDFx4C/page/n186/mode/thumb and others who search by name where the books are now being attached for analysis. A study has to be carried out and the unification of children has to be right. But as she was, she couldn't stay, they passed her up as Ramiro's grandmother, which she couldn't, yes there are several discrepancies in the names. There has to be a better study to bring the truth closer to what this person was. _______________________________________________ ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ________________________________________________ in coltrol + F https://archive.org/web/ grátis Mondial Library
Publication: Name: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ASTURIAS,%20LEON.htm;
- Title: urraca ó ulrica de origen godo esposa de ramiro II de asturias
Author: https://www.wikiwand.com/es/Ramiro_I_de_Asturias
Publication: Name: https://www.wikiwand.com/es/Ramiro_I_de_Asturias;
- Title: Legacy NFS Source: Dona Urraca Paterna - Published information: birth-name: Dona Urraca Paterna
Note: Published information: birth-name: Dona Urraca Paterna
Published information: female
Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:3247575676
- Title: ttps://www.geni.com/people/Da-Urraca-Paterna-de-Castilla-reina-consorte-de-Asturias/6000000000114684333
- Title: Casamento: http://gw.geneanet.org/adecarne?lang=fr;pz=arnaud;nz=broquet;ocz=0;p=ramire;n=de+leon;oc=1
- Title: [RODRIGO (-4 Oct 873). Conde de Castilla. Fernández de Béthencourt states that Rodrigo first Conde de Castilla was the son of King Ramiro I by his second wife[181], presumably premised on Ramiro's second wife being Urraca de Castilla (which is clearly
Author: King Ramiro I & his second wife had [two children]: c) [ALDONZA . García Álvarez cites an undated spurious charter in the Tumbo de Samos, which records that “la vila de Sáa en la valle de Armea, cerca de Sarria” had belonged to “doña Ildoncia, hija del rey Ramiro”, after whose death it passed “a su nepto Vermudo” who granted it to “su mujer Guntroda”, from whom it passed to “su sobrino Fruela, hijo del rey Alfonso” who gave it “al rey Ramiro”, who gave it to “su hermana Auria y al conde Nepociano Díaz”[179]. According to Salazar, she was born blind but Barrau-Dihigo highlights that he cites no source on which he bases the information[180].] d) [RODRIGO (-4 Oct 873). Conde de Castilla. Fernández de Béthencourt states that Rodrigo first Conde de Castilla was the son of King Ramiro I by his second wife[181], presumably premised on Ramiro's second wife being Urraca de Castilla (which is clearly impossible chronologically as discussed above). In addition, Rodrigo app
Publication: Name: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ASTURIAS,%20LEON.htm;
- Title: Legacy NFS Source: Urraca Vasgues de Navarra. - Individual or family possessions: birth-name: Urraca Vasgues de Navarra
Note: Individual or family possessions: birth-name: Urraca Vasgues de Navarra.
Individual or family possessions: female
Individual or family possessions: birth: 0760; Navarra, Spain
Individual or family possessions: death: ; Navarra, Spain
Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:3244685517
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