Sigirami De Hesbaye

• Preferred Name: Sigirami De Hesbaye^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]}
  
• Alternate Name: Sigramnus
  
• Alternate Name: Sigramus
  
• Alternate Name: Sigramnus
  
• Alternate Name: Sigramnus Graf im Hapengau
  
• Alternate Name: Sigrand Count of Hesbaye
  
• Alternate Name: Sigramnus marito di Landrada
  
• Alternate Name: Sigramnus nobilis in Austrien
  
• Alternate Name: Sigramnus esposo de Landrada
  
• Alternate Name: Sigramnus Ehemann von Landrada
  
• Alternate Name: Sigram de Hesbaye
  
• Alternate Name: Sigramnus de Munsterbilzen nobilis in Austrien
  
• Alternate Name: Sigram de Munsterbilzen
  
• Alternate Name: Sigramnus d'Hesbaye
  
• Alternate Name: Sigrand of Hesbaye
  
• Alternate Name: Sigrand
  
• Gender: M
  
• Death: ABT 762 in Hesbaye at LATI: N0.5833 LONG: E0.25 with note: GEDCOM data
  
• MilitaryService: Battle of AmbleveAPR 716 in Ambleve at LATI: N0.3542 LONG: E0.1694 with note: Sigramnus backed Charles Martell at the Battle of Ambleve when they defeated a party of raiding Neustrains in April 716.
  
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• http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Count of Hesbaye
  
• FSID: GD8S-6MC
  
• Birth: um 0680
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/162177536?cid=mem_copy
  
  Landrada and Sigramnus and Aldana and Theoderic
  Charles "Martel" & his [first/second wife/mistress] had two possible children:
  
  4. [LANDRADA . Settipani quotes an Aquitaine necrology which lists "Willelmus…pater eius Theodericus, mater Ald
  
  Sigramnus mrd Landrada
  https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm#_ftnref187
  
  E. FAMILY of ENGUERRAND COMTE de PARIS
  
  1. SIGRAMNUS . m LANDRADA, daughter of ---. The Gesta Episcoporum Mette
  
  === !Aristocratic & Royal Ancestors Gs 929.2 ===
  !Aristocratic & Royal Ancestors Gs 929.242 H249t p. 331. Sigrand Ancestral. md. Landree.
  
  === !"Our Plafs Roots Are True" A Genealogy ===
  !"Our Plafs Roots Are True" A Genealogy of Kochert and Nieb Families, by Ethel Clift Philips, Published 1983. The information in the book is derived from church records of Rumbach and Family records. !Source is from "Neuhart Nobility", by Dennis Allen Kastens -1997 page 208. 1. He is the 37th GG Father of Edward Probyn James III. 2. Hesbaye is near Brabant.
  
  === ! ! SEALED TO SPOUSE: IGI 1994 Edition, ===
  ! ! SEALED TO SPOUSE: IGI 1994 Edition, Film # 1760832. ! RELATIONSHIP: Patron, H. Reed Black, is 34th G G Son.
  
  === Medlands Project-lineage of Sigramnus ===
  FAMILY of ENGUERRAND COMTE de PARIS
  
  1. SIGRAMNUS . m LANDRADA, daughter of ---. The Gesta Episcoporum Mettensis names "Chrodegangus antistes…ex pago Hasbaniensi oriundus, patre Sigramno, matre Landrada, Francorum ex genere primæ nobilitatis progenitus" as Bishop of Metz[187]. The charter dated 25 May 765 under which her son "Grodegangus…archiepiscopus" [son of Sigramnus and Landrada] donated property "in pago Wormacensi…[et] in villa Dagosbesher…in Hostoven, Burdus, in villa Flamersheim ecclesiam" to Gorze, with the consent of "Pipini…Francorum regis, avunculi mei"[188], suggests that she was Landrada, supposed daughter of Charles "Martel" maiordomus of Austrasia and Neustria [Carolingian]. The supposed affiliation of Landrada is suggested by Settipani who quotes an Aquitaine necrology which lists "Willelmus…pater eius Theodericus, mater Aldana soror Hiltrudis et Landradæ"[189]. He suggests that "Hiltrudis" was the wife of Odilo Duke of Bavaria, and therefore that all three sisters were daughters of Charles "Martel". The theory is attractive but not conclusive, as its validity depends on there being no other contemporary Hiltrudis, which is not provable. If it is correct, there is no indication about the mother of Landrada and Aldana. Hlawitschka highlights the case against the affiliation[190]. However, the evidence of the 25 May 765 charter suggests that Settipani’s hypothesis may be correct. Sigramnus & his wife had two children:
  a) CHRODGANG [Hruotgang] (-7 Mar [766], bur Monastery of Gorze). Bishop. The Gesta Episcoporum Mettensis names "Chrodegangus antistes…ex pago Hasbaniensi oriundus, patre Sigramno, matre Landrada, Francorum ex genere primæ nobilitatis progenitus" as Bishop of Metz, specifying that he was referendarius in the palace of maior domus Charles "Martel"[191]. A list of bishops of Metz records "Chrodegangus archiepiscopus" as 37th bishop, holding the position for 23 years, 5 months and 5 days, his death "pridie Non Mar" and his burial in the monastery of Gorze[192]. "Grodegangus…archiepiscopus" donated property "in pago Wormacensi…[et] in villa Dagosbesher…in Hostoven, Burdus, in villa Flamersheim ecclesiam" to Gorze, with the consent of "Pipini…Francorum regis, avunculi mei", by charter dated 25 May 765, witnessed by "Grifonis majoris domus fratris domini Pipini regis, Carli filii regis, Hildradi ducis, Rodingi comitis, Hamedei advocati…"[193]. Other sources name Archbishop Chrodgang as brother of Heimrich Graf im Wormsgau (see the document FRANCONIA NOBILITY): "Heimericus" names "germano suo domino Ruodgango archiepiscopo" in an undated charter relating to a donation to Kloster Lorsch[194]; "Karolus…rex Francorum", in an undated charter (placed in the compilation with charters dated 772) related to Kloster Lorsch, names "avia…Heimerici…Williswinda vel genitor suus Cancor, germano suo domino Ruodgango archiepiscopo"[195]. It appears beyond coincidence that two archbishops named Chrodgang existed at the same time. It is possible therefore that all the sources refer to the same person and that "germanus" in the Lorsch sources should be interpreted more broadly than "brother".]
  b) son . Thegan names "nobilissimi ducis Ingorammi…filius fratris Hruotgangi, sancti pontificis"[196], but does not name his brother. m ---. The name of the mother of Enguerrand is not known. One child:
  i) ENGUERRAND ([740/50]-). Thegan names "nobilissimi ducis Ingorammi…filius fratris Hruotgangi, sancti pontificis"[197]. According to Settipani[198], he was related to the family of Robert [Capet]. This is presumably based on the connection through the county of Hesbaie, in relation to which Robert (son of Lambert, died before 764, and supposed ancestor of the Robertiner family, see the document MEROVINGIAN NOBILITY) is recorded in 742. However, no primary source has yet been identified which directly links Enguerrand to the county of Hesbaie (apart from the reference to the origin of his paternal uncle, see above). Comte de Paris, although the primary source which proves that he held this county has not so far been identified. The birth date of Robert son of Lambert can be estimated to [700/10]. He would therefore presumably have belonged to the generation of Enguerrand's father or grandfather. Any relationship between Enguerrand and Robert on the paternal side could not have been closer than second cousin, which seems remote for the county of Hesbaie to have been transmitted between the two. It is possible that the relationship was through Enguerrand's mother, who could have been a sister of Robert, but this is a mere guess not based on any documentary evidence. m ROTRUD, daughter of ---. The primary source which names the wife of Enguerrand has not so far been identified. Enguerrand & his wife had one child:
  (a) ERMENGARD ([775/80]-Angers 3 Oct 818, bur Angers). Thegan's Vita Hludowici Imperatoris names the wife of Emperor Louis "filiam nobilissimi ducis Ingorammi…Irmingarda"[199]. The Gesta Francorum records the death "818 V Non Oct" of "Irmingardis regina"[200]. The Vita Hludowici Imperatoris records the death "V Non Oct" of "Hirmingardis regina" three days after falling ill[201]. m ([794]) as his first wife, LOUIS King of the Aquitainians, son of CHARLES I "Charlemagne" King of the Franks & his second wife Hildegard (Chasseneuil-du-Poitou {Vienne} [16 Apr/Sep] 778-island in the Rhine near Ingelheim 20 Jun 840, bur Metz, église abbatiale de Saint-Arnoul). He was crowned Emperor LOUIS I “der Fromme/le Pieux” in 816.
  
  === [NancyAnnNorman1034016.FTW]
  
  Source: Col ===
  [NancyAnnNorman1034016.FTW]
  
  Source: Collins; AF. Collins: Count of Hosbania. AF: Count of Hasbaye.
  
  === [Greene.FTW] [INDIV2.DAT] Count Hasbaye ===
  [Greene.FTW] [INDIV2.DAT] Count Hasbaye. His birth location may have beenHasbaigne/Hasbania/Hasbaye Source: Ahnentafel of Edward III, King of England
  
  === Ancestral File Number: 9HJ9-FG ===
  Ancestral File Number: 9HJ9-FG
  
  === !NOTE: Francis Bryan William I DE MONTAG ===
  !NOTE: Francis Bryan William I DE MONTAGU Louis Pious 2.ged;;;;, Source !NOTE: Bryan William Edward II 7.ged;;;;, Source Media Type: Other. Date !NOTE: Bryan William Henri I 1.ged;;;;, Source Media Type: Other. Date of !NOTE: Bryan William Katherine De GRANDISON 5.ged;;;;, Source Media Type: !NOTE: Humphrey 35.ged;;;;, Source Media Type: Other. Date of Import: Oct !NOTE: Humphrey 44.ged;;;;, Source Media Type: Other. Date of Import: Oct !NOTE: Humphrey 45.ged;;;;, Source Media Type: Other. Date of Import: Oct !NOTE: Corrie Hale Families 11-18-02.FTW;;;;, Source Media Type: Other. !NOTE: GEDCOM File : Corrie Hale Families 12-4-02.ged !MARRIAGE: GEDCOM File : Corrie Hale Families 12-4-02.ged
  
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  SURN Hesbaye
  NPFX Viscou ===
  GIVN Sigmund de
  SURN Hesbaye
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  TITL "Ancient Genealogy & Mythology: Genealogical Research of Peter Grard Gentala"
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  PUBL E-mail documentation (Genealogy Forum, America Online, 2 Jan 1996) , Peter Grard Gentala (rocksword@aol.com)
  DATE 10 Feb 2001
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  ABBR Larsen: Genealogical Research of Kirk Larsen
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  PUBL Personal Research Works including Bethune & Hohenlohe Descendants, 1981-2001, Kirk Larsen, Private Library
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  ABBR Gentala: Ancient Genealogy & Mythology: Genealogical Research of Peter Grard Gentala
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  AUTH Gentala, Peter Grard
  PUBL E-mail documentation (Genealogy Forum, America Online, 2 Jan 1996) , Peter Grard Gentala (rocksword@aol.com)
  DATE 10 Feb 2001
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  ABBR Larsen: Genealogical Research of Kirk Larsen
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  AUTH Larsen, Kirk
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  PUBL Coats of Arms for European Royalty and Nobility (http://www.heraldique-europeenne.org, Arnaud Bunel, 1998) , Internet
  "Armigerous" (ahr-MIJ-ehr-us) adjective
  Bearing or entitled to bear heraldic arms.
  The reason the notion of a family crest was brought into the language was that those who were armigerous (entitled to bear arms) used to put their crest or achievement (the full coat of arms) on
  their carriage, silver, etc. The stationers thought this an excellent way to sell more stationary and, in Victorian times, encouraged everybody, whether armigerous or not, to buy stationary with
  their "family crest" on it. There was no such thing of course and they used to sell it (and some still do) on the basis that "someone in your family or someone having the same surname as you was
  once granted this crest - as part of their achievement. Thereby they sold more stationery. And engravers flourished. The Heralds, meanwhile, lost a bit of business as their services (awarding
  coats with variations because no two people can have the same coat) were less sought after.
  The Shields used are family Logos, each individual with armigerous rights had individual full coats of arms to reflect their personal achievements.
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  AUTH Gentala, Peter Grard
  PUBL E-mail documentation (Genealogy Forum, America Online, 2 Jan 1996) , Peter Grard Gentala (rocksword@aol.com)
  DATE 10 Feb 2001
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  ABBR Larsen: Genealogical Research of Kirk Larsen
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  AUTH Larsen, Kirk
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  === THE PLANTAGENET ANCESTRY (GS NUMBER Q924 ===
  THE PLANTAGENET ANCESTRY (GS NUMBER Q9240 D2T) P.8;
  
  === !NOTE: Ancestors of John Gerald Haring.; ===
  !NOTE: Ancestors of John Gerald Haring.; ; ; ; ;

• m. 729 in France

1. Title: Sigram Vom Haspengau
   Publication: Name: https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-1-407772481-1-515258/sigram-vom-haspengau-in-myheritage-family-trees?fspid=G4R8-T7W;
   
2. Title: Sigrand
   Publication: Name: https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-1-175289481-8-14743/sigrand-in-myheritage-family-trees?fspid=GCD8-B9W;
   
3. Title: Sigramne
   Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigramnus,_Count_of_Hesbaye;
   
4. Title: Landrada daughter of Charles Martel by
   Author: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKSMaiordomi.htm#_ftnref225
   Publication: Name: https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/137689775;
   Note: [LANDRADA . Settipani quotes an Aquitaine necrology which lists "Willelmus…pater eius Theodericus, mater Aldana soror Hiltrudis et Landradæ"[225]. He suggests that "Hiltrudis" was the wife of Odilo Duke of Bavaria, and therefore that all three sisters were daughters of Charles "Martel". The theory is attractive but not conclusive, as its validity depends on there being no other contemporary Hiltrudis, which is not provable. If it is correct, there is no indication about the mother of Landrada and Aldana. Hlawitschka highlights the case against the affiliation[226]. However, the evidence of the 25 May 765 charter, quoted below, suggests that Settipani’s hypothesis may be correct.] same person as …? LANDRADA . The Gesta Episcoporum Mettensis names "Chrodegangus antistes…ex pago Hasbaniensi oriundus, patre Sigramno, matre Landrada, Francorum ex genere primæ nobilitatis progenitus" as Bishop of Metz[227]. The co-identity between Landrada, wife of Sigramnus, and Landrada, supposed daughter of Charles "Martel" is suggested by the charter dated 25 May 765 under which "Grodegangus…archiepiscopus" [son of Sigramnus and Landrada] donated property "in pago Wormacensi…[et] in villa Dagosbesher…in Hostoven, Burdus, in villa Flamersheim ecclesiam" to Gorze, with the consent of "Pipini…Francorum regis, avunculi mei"[228]. m SIGRAMNUS, son of ---.
   Page: Shows Sigrammus husband of Landrada
   
5. Title: Reform of the Frankish Church
   Author: Reform of the Frankish Church Page 21
   Publication: Name: https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Reform_of_the_Frankish_Church.html?id=Zow7ub1TVIsC;
   Page: Sigramnus backed Charles Martell at the Battle of Ambleve when they defeated a party of raiding Neustrains in April 716. https://books.google.com/books?id=Zow7ub1TVIsC&q=716#v=snippet&q=716&f=false
   
6. Title: Sigramnus de Hesbaye, "Find A Grave Index"
   Author: "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2DN-C2LS : 25 May 2022), Sigramnus de Hesbaye, ; Burial, , ; citing record ID 172789569, Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.
   Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2DN-C2LS;
   
7. Title: Ingerman, Count of Hesbaye
   Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingerman,_Count_of_Hesbaye;
   
8. Title: Sigramnus - Medlands - FMG
   Publication: Name: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm#SigramnusMLandrada;
   Note: SIGRAMNUS . m LANDRADA, daughter of ---. The Gesta Episcoporum Mettensis names "Chrodegangus antistes…ex pago Hasbaniensi oriundus, patre Sigramno, matre Landrada, Francorum ex genere primæ nobilitatis progenitus" as Bishop of Metz[187]. The charter dated 25 May 765 under which her son "Grodegangus…archiepiscopus" [son of Sigramnus and Landrada] donated property "in pago Wormacensi…[et] in villa Dagosbesher…in Hostoven, Burdus, in villa Flamersheim ecclesiam" to Gorze, with the consent of "Pipini…Francorum regis, avunculi mei"[188], suggests that she was Landrada, supposed daughter of Charles "Martel" maiordomus of Austrasia and Neustria [Carolingian]. The supposed affiliation of Landrada is suggested by Settipani who quotes an Aquitaine necrology which lists "Willelmus…pater eius Theodericus, mater Aldana soror Hiltrudis et Landradæ"[189]. He suggests that "Hiltrudis" was the wife of Odilo Duke of Bavaria, and therefore that all three sisters were daughters of Charles "Martel". The theory is attractive but not conclusive, as its validity depends on there being no other contemporary Hiltrudis, which is not provable. If it is correct, there is no indication about the mother of Landrada and Aldana. Hlawitschka highlights the case against the affiliation[190]. However, the evidence of the 25 May 765 charter suggests that Settipani’s hypothesis may be correct. Sigramnus & his wife had two children: a) CHRODGANG [Hruotgang] (-7 Mar [766], bur Monastery of
   
9. Title: MEDIEVAL LANDS Website
   Author: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/Search.htm
   Publication: Name: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/Search.htm;
   Note: This source takes one to the Medlands search page. Medlands is a comprehensive compilation of original Latin, Greek and other languages of ancient 300-1500AD records into English. It is very well sourced, and if patrons can find these original records from the quoted sources, it would be great to have the very originals themselves posted here at FS. Please be advised, that the Medlands site is continually updated, and one should take a look for any updates. Please add the specific source and excerpts from Medlands to the reason statement when adding this source to any specific PID.
   Page: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm#_ftnref187 SIGRAMNUS . m LANDRADA, daughter of ---. The Gesta Episcoporum Mettensis names "Chrodegangus antistes…ex pago Hasbaniensi oriundus, patre Sigramno, matre Landrada, Francorum ex genere primæ nobilitatis progenitus" as Bishop of Metz[187]. The charter dated 25 May 765 under which her son "Grodegangus…archiepiscopus" [son of Sigramnus and Landrada] donated property "in pago Wormacensi…[et] in villa Dagosbesher…in Hostoven, Burdus, in villa Flamersheim ecclesiam" to Gorze, with the consent of "Pipini…Francorum regis, avunculi mei"[188], suggests that she was Landrada, supposed daughter of Charles "Martel" maiordomus of Austrasia and Neustria [Carolingian]. The supposed affiliation of Landrada is suggested by Settipani who quotes an Aquitaine necrology which lists "Willelmus…pater eius Theodericus, mater Aldana soror Hiltrudis et Landradæ"[189]. He suggests that "Hiltrudis" was the wife of Odilo Duke of Bavaria, and therefore that all three sisters were daughters of Charles "Martel". The theory is attractive but not conclusive, as its validity depends on there being no other contemporary Hiltrudis, which is not provable. If it is correct, there is no indication about the mother of Landrada and Aldana. Hlawitschka highlights the case against the affiliation[190]. However, the evidence of the 25 May 765 charter suggests that Settipani’s hypothesis may be correct. Sigramnus & his wife had two children:
   
10. Title: Sigram Ii. Vom Haspengau
    Publication: Name: https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-1-397859511-2-507600/sigram-ii-vom-haspengau-in-myheritage-family-trees?fspid=G4R8-T7W;