Ida d'Avesnes

• Preferred Name: Ida d'Avesnes^{[1] [2] [3] [4]}
  
• Alternate Name: Adeline d'Avesnes
  
• Alternate Name: DE ROSOY
  
• Alternate Name: Ada d' Avesnes
  
• Alternate Name: van Edingen (Enghien)
  
• Alternate Name: Adelheid d'Avesnes
  
• Alternate Name: van Edingen
  
• Alternate Name: Alix d'Avernes
  
• Alternate Name: van Holland
  
• Alternate Name: Aleid Burckhard van Avesnes
  
• Alternate Name: Ida d’Avesnes
  
• Alternate Name: Ade d'Avesnes
  
• Alternate Name: de Rosoy
  
• Alternate Name: Ida d'Avesnes
  
• Alternate Name: Ide d'Avesnes
  
• Alternate Name: Ida d'Avesnes
  
• Alternate Name: Adelaide d'Avesnes
  
• Alternate Name: Alix
  
• Alternate Name: Ida (Ide) van Avesnes (d'Oisy)
  
• Alternate Name: Adelheid d'Oudenaarde
  
• Alternate Name: Adelaide van Avenes
  
• Alternate Name: van Rosoy
  
• Alternate Name: Adelaïde d'Avesnes
  
• Gender: F
  
• FSID: 9ZHD-RWK
  
• Death: 4 DEC 1239 in France
  
• Birth: 10 OCT 1180 in Avesnes-sur-Helpe-Sud, Avesnes-sur-Helpe, Nord, France at LATI: N0.0801 LONG: E0.893
  
• Burial: NOV 1216
  
• Occupation: Dame, de Hans
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  Foundation for Medieval Genealogy
  
  IDA d'Avesnes (-22 Sep, after 1215). There is some confusion about the name of the wife of Engelbert [III] d’Enghien. The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis names "Machtildem, Aelidem, Adeluyam et Agnetem" as the four daughters of "Nicolai Plukelli filius primogenitus Jacobus" and his wife, adding that "tertia…filia…Adeluya" married "domino de Enghien Engelberto" by whom she had one son and two daughters and naming their descendants[848].
  
  She is named Ida in the following documents. “Dominus Ingelbertus de Adenghem” donated land “apud Hartbecam” to Ninove, with the consent of “domina Elisabeth et liberi sui Ingelbertus et Gisla et Ida uxor Ingelberti”, by charter dated [2] Dec 1193[849].
  
  "Ingelbertus de Aenguien et uxor eius Ida" pledged “decime...in tota parrochia et territorio de Herines” to Saint-Aubert abbey, with the consent of “dominorum suorum Egidii de Hallut, Razonis de Gavre junioris”, by charter dated Feb 1204 (O.S.)[850].
  "Engelbertus dominus d’Angien" confirmed "decimæ in parochia de Breges" to "ecclesiæ B. Mariæ in Cantiprato", with the consent of “uxore mea Ida et filiis meis Sigero et Jacobo”, by charter dated 1215[851].
  
  Miræus records the death “X Kal Oct” of "Ida domina de Angien", her burial at Bellingen, and her donation of “decimam de Broiges...terræ arabulis apud Herines”[852]. Butkens (without citing any primary sources) names "Ide d’Avesnes" as the first wife of Engelbert and "Adelive d’Oudenaerden" (sister of “Gisbert Sire d’Audenarde”, by whom he says Engelbert was childless) as his second[853].
  
  As Gislebert Heer van Oudenaarde was recorded as deceased in 1181 (see the document FLANDERS NOBILITY), Butkens’s suggestion appears unlikely to be correct. No source has been found which indicates any connection between the Enghien and Oudenaarde families, apart from the May 1246 quoted below under Engelbert’s son Sohier.
  
  m ENGELBERT [III] Seigneur d'Enghien, son of ENGELBERT [II] d’Enghien & his wife Elisabeth --- (-22 Feb [1244/1246]).
  Engelbert [III] & his wife had five children:
  
  1. SOHIER [Siger] d’Enghien (-18 Dec [1259 or 1260]).
  2. ISABELLE d’Enghien (-1218 or after).
  3. JACQUES d’Enghien (-[Apr 1222/1223]).
  4. HUGUES d’Enghien (-after 17 Jul 1229).
  5. ADELUYE d’Enghien (-after 1225).
  
  Foundation for Medieval Genealogy
  
  ADE d'Avesnes (-after 13 Aug 1249). The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis names "Machtildem, Aelidem, Adeluyam et Agnetem" as the four daughters of "Nicolai Plukelli filius primogenitus Jacobus" and his wife, adding that she married "comiti de Grandi-prato"[854].
  
  Regnault, calling her “Adée de Grand-pré”, dates her second marriage to 1222 and says that it was childless[855]. “Radulphus comes Suess” donated rights “in molendino de Varenes” to Soissons Saint Crispin, with the consent of “dominæ Ade uxoris meæ”, by charter dated 1223[856]. "Johannes comitis Suessionensis primogenitus dominus de Turno et de Cimaio" granted canalisation rights to Notre-Dame de Soissons by charter dated 1 Nov 1213 (misdated?), confirmed by "Radulfus comes Suession. de consensu Adæ uxoris sua et filiorum Johannis domini de Turno et Radulfi" in 1231[857].
  
  Dame de Hans: the Feoda Campanie dated [after 1234] includes “...comitissa Suessionensis domina de Hans…feodum apud Minor(cort) apud Ve(rgig)ni apud Ver[z]lius et apud Lemezicort…”[858]. “Ada domina de Hans, quondam comitissa Suessionensis” acknowledged the homage given by her to “Theobaldo regi Navarræ et comiti Campaniæ" by charter dated Dec 1238[859]. Ada dame de Hans notified Thibaut Comte de Bar that “Helvis de Barbançon sa bru” had received as dower “la moitié de la terre de Hans et de la maison qui fut le peire mon fils” by charter dated 13 Aug 1249[860].
  
  m firstly as his second wife, HENRI [III] Comte de Grandpre, son of HENRI [II] Comte de Grandpré & his wife Luitgard de Luxembourg (-1211).
  
  m secondly ([1211/15]]) as his third wife, RAOUL de Nesle Comte de Soissons, son of RAOUL Seigneur de Nesle, Châtelain de Bruges & his wife Gertrude de Montaigu (-4 Jan 1235).
  
  === ENDOWMENT: PLAC AL SEALING_CHILD: PLAC S ===
  ENDOWMENT: PLAC AL SEALING_CHILD: PLAC SL
  
  === !Pedigree Chart from Family Org.; 1994 I ===
  !Pedigree Chart from Family Org.; 1994 IGI Addendum; IGI;Ancestral File (nil)
  
  === !BIR-MAR-DEA: Bk, Medieval Knight by Ste ===
  !BIR-MAR-DEA: Bk, Medieval Knight by Stephen Turnbull.
  
  === From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 J ===
  From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.
  
  === !NOTE: The Church of Jesus Christ of Lat ===
  !NOTE: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Ancestral File (TM); ; June 1998 (c), data as of 5 JAN 1998; ; , Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, UT 84150 USA
  
  === !: SOUR AUTH The Church of Jesus Christ ===
  !: SOUR AUTH The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints TITL Ancestral File(TM) PUBL June 1998 (c), data as of 5 JAN 1998 REPO @R01@
  
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  === From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 5 J ===
  From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 5 JAN 1998.
  
  === !: SOUR AUTH The Church of Jesus Christ ===
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  === !#552-v7-t78; ===
  !#552-v7-t78;
  
  === #Générale# Dame de Hans (51). ===
  #Générale# Dame de Hans (51).
  
  === ! Europasche Stamtafeln neue folge Vol 3 ===
  ! Europasche Stamtafeln neue folge Vol 3 tafel 50;
  
  === !#552-v7-t95; ===
  !#552-v7-t95;
  
  Birth: 1168; Belgie.
  Death: 1246.
  
  Dame de Hans
  
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  !Europaasche Stammtafeln neue folge vol 11 tafel 36;
  
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  === #Générale# Décès : vers le 23 Septembre ===
  #Générale# Décès : vers le 23 Septembre 1216
  
  === ! SEALED TO SPOUSE: {Raoul, Comte De Soi ===
  ! SEALED TO SPOUSE: {Raoul, Comte De Soissons} IGI 1994 Edition, Film # 1903903. {Henri, Comte De Grndpre} IGI 1994 Edition, Film # 1903645. ! RELATIONSHIP: Patron, H. Reed Black, is 20th G G Nephew.
  
  === From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 J ===
  From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996. From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.
  
  === Ancestral File Number: 7W20-DC ===
  Ancestral File Number: 7W20-DC
  
  === !BIR-MAR: Bk, Medieval Knight by Stephen ===
  !BIR-MAR: Bk, Medieval Knight by Stephen Turnbull.
  
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  === ! ! SEALED TO SPOUSE: {Engelbert} IGI 19 ===
  ! ! SEALED TO SPOUSE: {Engelbert} IGI 1994 Edition, Film # 1903645. ! RELATIONSHIP: Patron, H. Reed Black, is 20th G G Nephew.
  
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  === !From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 ===
  !From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.
  
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  === Ancestral File Number: 7W20-GP ===
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  === ! ! SEALED TO SPOUSE: IGi 1994 Edition, ===
  ! ! SEALED TO SPOUSE: IGi 1994 Edition, Film # 1903903. ! RELATIONSHIP: Patron, H. Reed Black, is 20th G G Nephew.
  
  === Ancestral File Number: 7W20-C6 ===
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  === Invalid seal-to-parents temple code: SL ===
  Invalid seal-to-parents temple code: SLALE.
  
  === !Europaische Stammtafeln Neue Folge(552) ===
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• m. 1236

1. Julienne de Chaumont Rosoy, b. BET 1195 AND 1205 in Teramo, Abruzzo, Italie     d. 1250 in Somme, Picardie, France
2. Adèle de Rosoy, b. 1205 in Teramo, Abruzzo, Italy     d. 1259

• m. 1183 in Avesnes-sur-Helpe, Nord, France

1. Title: Foundation for Medieval Genealogy - Name was Ida d'Avesnes
   Publication: Name: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#AdelaideAvesnesMEngelbertEnghien;
   Note: IDA d'Avesnes (-22 Sep, after 1215). There is some confusion about the name of the wife of Engelbert [III] d’Enghien. The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis names "Machtildem, Aelidem, Adeluyam et Agnetem" as the four daughters of "Nicolai Plukelli filius primogenitus Jacobus" and his wife, adding that "tertia…filia…Adeluya" married "domino de Enghien Engelberto" by whom she had one son and two daughters and naming their descendants[848]. She is named Ida in the following documents. “Dominus Ingelbertus de Adenghem” donated land “apud Hartbecam” to Ninove, with the consent of “domina Elisabeth et liberi sui Ingelbertus et Gisla et Ida uxor Ingelberti”, by charter dated [2] Dec 1193[849]. "Ingelbertus de Aenguien et uxor eius Ida" pledged “decime...in tota parrochia et territorio de Herines” to Saint-Aubert abbey, with the consent of “dominorum suorum Egidii de Hallut, Razonis de Gavre junioris”, by charter dated Feb 1204 (O.S.)[850]. "Engelbertus dominus d’Angien" confirmed "decimæ in parochia de Breges" to "ecclesiæ B. Mariæ in Cantiprato", with the consent of “uxore mea Ida et filiis meis Sigero et Jacobo”, by charter dated 1215[851]. Miræus records the death “X Kal Oct” of "Ida domina de Angien", her burial at Bellingen, and her donation of “decimam de Broiges...terræ arabulis apud Herines”[852]. Butkens (without citing any primary sources) names "Ide d’Avesnes" as the first wife of Engelbert and "Adelive d’Oudenaerden" (sister of “Gisbert Sire d’Audenarde”, by whom he says Engelbert was childless) as his second[853]. As Gislebert Heer van Oudenaarde was recorded as deceased in 1181 (see the document FLANDERS NOBILITY), Butkens’s suggestion appears unlikely to be correct. No source has been found which indicates any connection between the Enghien and Oudenaarde families, apart from the May 1246 quoted below under Engelbert’s son Sohier. m ENGELBERT [III] Seigneur d'Enghien, son of ENGELBERT [II] d’Enghien & his wife Elisabeth --- (-22 Feb [1244/1246]). Engelbert [III] & his wife had five children: 1. SOHIER [Siger] d’Enghien (-18 Dec [1259 or 1260]). 2. ISABELLE d’Enghien (-1218 or after). 3. JACQUES d’Enghien (-[Apr 1222/1223]). 4. HUGUES d’Enghien (-after 17 Jul 1229). 5. ADELUYE d’Enghien (-after 1225).
   
2. Title: Foundation for Medieval Genealogy
   Publication: Name: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#AdeAvesnesdiedafter1249;
   Note: ADE d'Avesnes (-after 13 Aug 1249). The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis names "Machtildem, Aelidem, Adeluyam et Agnetem" as the four daughters of "Nicolai Plukelli filius primogenitus Jacobus" and his wife, adding that she married "comiti de Grandi-prato"[854]. Regnault, calling her “Adée de Grand-pré”, dates her second marriage to 1222 and says that it was childless[855]. “Radulphus comes Suess” donated rights “in molendino de Varenes” to Soissons Saint Crispin, with the consent of “dominæ Ade uxoris meæ”, by charter dated 1223[856]. "Johannes comitis Suessionensis primogenitus dominus de Turno et de Cimaio" granted canalisation rights to Notre-Dame de Soissons by charter dated 1 Nov 1213 (misdated?), confirmed by "Radulfus comes Suession. de consensu Adæ uxoris sua et filiorum Johannis domini de Turno et Radulfi" in 1231[857]. Dame de Hans: the Feoda Campanie dated [after 1234] includes “...comitissa Suessionensis domina de Hans…feodum apud Minor(cort) apud Ve(rgig)ni apud Ver[z]lius et apud Lemezicort…”[858]. “Ada domina de Hans, quondam comitissa Suessionensis” acknowledged the homage given by her to “Theobaldo regi Navarræ et comiti Campaniæ" by charter dated Dec 1238[859]. Ada dame de Hans notified Thibaut Comte de Bar that “Helvis de Barbançon sa bru” had received as dower “la moitié de la terre de Hans et de la maison qui fut le peire mon fils” by charter dated 13 Aug 1249[860]. m firstly as his second wife, HENRI [III] Comte de Grandpre, son of HENRI [II] Comte de Grandpré & his wife Luitgard de Luxembourg (-1211). m secondly ([1211/15]]) as his third wife, RAOUL de Nesle Comte de Soissons, son of RAOUL Seigneur de Nesle, Châtelain de Bruges & his wife Gertrude de Montaigu (-4 Jan 1235).
   
3. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Alix d'Avesnes -
   Author: Stirnet.com, Peter Barns-Graham, Chairman, Name: http://www.stirnet.com;, Page number: Avesnes1
   Note: Peter Barns-Graham, Chairman, Stirnet.com (http://www.stirnet.com).
   Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:3246398939
   
4. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Ade d'Avesnes -
   Author: Stirnet.com, Peter Barns-Graham, Chairman, Name: http://www.stirnet.com;, Page number: Avesnes1
   Note: Peter Barns-Graham, Chairman, Stirnet.com (http://www.stirnet.com).
   Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:3246398939