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Hugues De Gournay III
- Preferred Name: Hugues De Gournay III[1] [2] [3]
- Alternate Name: de Gournay
- Gender: M
- FSID: MZ68-VKD
- Birth: environ 1030 in Gournay-en-Bray, Seine-Maritime, Normandy, France at LATI: N9.4814 LONG: E0.7247
- Death: 11 OCT 1101 in Normandy, France at LATI: N8.928 LONG: E0.5326
- Burial: AFT 11 OCT 1101 in Abbaye Nôtre-Dame du Bec, Le Bec-Hellouin, Departement de l'Eure, Haute-Normandie, France at LATI: N9.2312 LONG: E0.7216
- http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: with note: Description: Seigneur of Gournay-en-Brie
- http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Seigneur of Gournay-en-Brie
- Notes:
=== Life Sketch ===
“Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
“HUGH DE GOURNAY, seigneur of Gournay-en-Brie, Normandy, Domesday tenant of Liston, Ardley, and Fordham, Essex, son and heir.
He married BASILE FLAITEL, widow of Raoul de Gacé, Constable of Normandy, and daughter of Gerard Flaitel.
Her maritagium was the castle of Ecouché, near Falaise in Normandy.
They had two sons,
Gerard and
Hugh.
In 1077 he witnessed the foundation charter of the monastery of St. Stephens at Caen by King William the Conqueror and in 1082 the foundation charter of the nunnery of Holy Trinity Caen by King William the Conqueror and his wife, Queen Maud.
Hugh and his wife, Basile, retired to the Abbey of Bec in France c. 1082 with her niece, Ansfride.
They were still living c. 1093, when St. Anselm was consecrated Archbishop of Canterbury.
A letter from Anselm to Basile has been preserved.
He predeceased his wife.
Both are buried at the Abbey of Bec.
La Maine Supp. aux Recherches historiques sur la Ville de Gournay (1844): 7-42.
Gurney Rec. of the House of Gournay 1 (1848): 22 (chart), 46-62.
Bedfordshire Hist. Rec. Soc. 7 (1922): 153-157; 19 (1937): charts fol. pg. 99.
Oxfordshire Rec. Soc. 7 (1925): 7-15.
Early Yorkshire Charters 8 (1949): 6-7. Paget (1957), 266: 1-4 (sub Gurnay).”
Premières mentions d'un Hugues de Gournay
Hugues (III), épouse Basilie, fille de Gérard Flaitel. Les premières mentions d'un Hugues de Gournay sont postérieures à 1048. Il apparaît dans un acte avec son épouse Basilie et leur fils Gérard. Il
=== !Information from United Ancestries ===
!Information from United Ancestries
=== !Brown book 5, P C 251. Died a Monk. Mar ===
!Brown book 5, P C 251. Died a Monk. Married 1st & had 2 sons. Married 2nd and had 1 daughter.
Preferred Parents:
Father: Hugues De Gournay II, b. ABT 1030 in Metz, France d. 1074 in Cardiff, Galles, Royaume-Uni
Mother: Basilia de Fleitel, b. ABT 1024 in Linton, Herefordshire, England d. 16 JAN 1100 in Abbey Bec, Normandy, France
Family 1: Basilia de Fleitel, b. ABT 1024 in Linton, Herefordshire, England d. 16 JAN 1100 in Abbey Bec, Normandy, France
- m. ABT 1053 in of Beverston, Gloucester, England
- m. après 1051
- Adelaide 'Adélaïs' de Gournay, b. environ 1052 in Beaumont-sur-Oise, Val-d'Oise, Île-de-France, France d. 8 APR 1099 in Montmorency, Île-de-France, France
- Gérard De Gournay, b. environ 1073 in Dieppe, Seine-Maritime, Upper Normandy, France d. 8 MAY 1099 in Acre, Palestine
Sources:
- Title: Foundation for Medieval Genealogy -SEIGNEURS de GOURNAY
Publication: Name: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normacre.htm#AmicieGournayMRichardTalbot;
Note: 1. HUGUES [III] de Gournay (-[1093]). "Domino meo Hugone Gurnacensi et filio eius Girardo et uxore eius Basilia" consented to the donation by "Radulfus cognomine Havoth" to Jumièges by charter dated to [1040][445], although presumably the document is misdated. The Chronique de Normandie, based on le Roman de Rou, names "Hue de Gournay sire de Bray" and "le Conte Hue de Gournay" among those who took part in the conquest of England in 1066, the two similar names suggesting that they were father and son[446]. "…Hugonis de Gornaio…" subscribed the charter dated Apr 1067 under which "Willelmus…dux Normannorum…Anglorum rex" confirmed rights to the abbey of Saint-Benoît-sur-Loire[447]. "…Hugo de Gurniaco, Ricardus de Curci, Rodulfus filius Herluini, Willelmus filius Hastenchi…" witnessed the charter dated to [1073] under which William I King of England confirmed the donation by "Nielli filii alterius Nielli" to the abbey of Marmoutier[448]. Domesday Book records “Hugh de Gournai” holding Liston, Ardleigh and Fordham in Essex[449]. Henry II King of England confirmed the possessions of the abbey of Bec, including donations by "Hugonis de Gornaco et Girardi filii", by charter dated to [1181/89][450]. m (after 1051) as her second husband, BASILIE, widow of RAOUL de Gacé, daughter of GERARD Flaitel & his wife --- (-16 Jan [1099/1100]). Guillaume de Jumièges records that "Galterium Giffardum primum” married “unam filiarum Girardi Flatelli” and that “alteram...Basiliam relictam Rodulphi de Waceio” married [secondly] “Hugo de Gornaco”[451]. "Domino meo Hugone Gurnacensi et filio eius Girardo et uxore eius Basilia" consented to the donation by "Radulfus cognomine Havoth" to Jumièges by charter dated to [1040][452], although presumably the document is misdated. Anselm Archbishop of Canterbury wrote to "Basiliæ amicæ Filiæ in Domino", dated to after 1093[453]. The Chronicon Beccensis Abbatiæ records that "tempore S. Anselmi abbatis Becci tres matronæ nobiles…Basilia uxor Hugonis de Gornaco, et Amfrida neptis ipsius Basiliæ, et Eva uxor Guillelmi Crispini" entered Bec and lived at the abbey, adding that they died on three consecutive Sundays "Amfrida Basiliæ neptis...minor...ætate, virgo…IV Non Jan, qua sepulta…Basilia domina eius…XVII Kal Feb…tertia Eva…X Kal Feb...post mortem...viri sui Guillermi Crispini...Beccique usque ad finem vitæ...perseuerauit"[454]. Gurney dates the passage to [1099/1100][455]. Henry II King of England confirmed the possessions of the abbey of Bec, including donations by "Hugonis de Gornaco et Girardi filii…Girardi de Gornaio et Basilie matris sue", by charter dated to [1181/89][456]. Hugues [III] & his wife had [three] children:
a) [GUILLAUME de Gournay (-after 1082). "…William de Gornai…Girard de Gornai…" witnessed the charter dated 1082 under which William I King of England donated property to the abbey of la Trinité de Caen[457].]
b) GERARD de Gournay (-Palestine after 1104). "Domino meo Hugone Gurnacensi et filio eius Girardo et uxore eius Basilia" consented to the donation by "Radulfus cognomine Havoth" to Jumièges by charter dated to [1040][458], although presumably the document is misdated. "Domino meo Hugone Gurnaiensi et filio eius Girardo et uxore eius Basilia" consented to a donation to Jumièges abbey by "Radulphus cognomina Havoth cum uxore mea" on his entering the abbey as a monk, by undated charter[459]. "…William de Gornai…Girard de Gornai…" witnessed the charter dated 1082 under which William I King of England donated property to the abbey of la Trinité de Caen[460]. “Odo comes et Stephanus filius eius”[461]. Orderic Vitalis records that “primus Normannorum Stephanus de Albamarla filius Odonis Campaniæ comitis” fortified “castellum suum super Aucium flumen” at the expense of William II King of England and placed there a garrison against “ducem” [Robert III Duke of Normandy] and that “Gornacensis Girardus” followed his example and delivered “Gornacum et Firmitatem et Goisleni Fontem” [Gournay, La Ferté-en-Brai, Gaillefontaine] to the king, dated to [1089/90][462]. Orderic Vitalis records that “comes Ebroicensis” requested Robert [III] Duke of Normandy to return “Bathventum et Nogionem, Vaceium et Craventionem, Scoceium [Bavent, near Troarn, Noyon-sur-Andelle, Gacé, Gravençon, Ecouché], aliosque fundos Radulfi patrui mei...Caput Asini” to him and grant “Pontem Sancti Petri” [Pont Saint-Pierre] to “nepoti...meo Guillelmo Bretoliensi”, which the duke agreed to, except “Scoceium” which was held by “Girardus de Gornaco...qui de eadem parentela prodierat, filius...Basiliæ Girardi Fleitelli filiæ”, dated to [1089][463]. He and his wife participated in the First Crusade but he died before the capture of Jerusalem[464]. Albert of Aix names "…Gerardus de Gorna…" among those who took part in the siege of Nikaia, dated to mid-1097 from the context[465]. Baudry names "Girardus de Gornaio" among those on the First Crusade in 1097[466]. Guillaume of Jumièges records that ”Giraldus” left for Jerusalem but died while away[467]. Henry II King of England confirmed the possessions of the abbey of Bec, including donations by "Hugonis de Gornaco et Girardi filii…Girardi de Gornaio et Basilie matris sue", by charter dated to [1181/89][468]. [m firstly ---. As discussed below, one possibility for the parentage of Amicie, wife of Richard Talbot, is that she was the daughter of Gérard de Gournay by an earlier otherwise unrecorded marriage.] m [secondly] ([1084/92]) as her first husband, EDIVE [Edith] de Warenne, daughter of WILLIAM [I] de Warenne Earl of Surrey & his first wife Gundred --- ([1072/80]-after 1155). Guillaume of Jumièges records that ”Giraldus” left for Jerusalem “cum uxore sua Edithua sorore Willelmi comitis de Warenna”, who married secondly “Drogoni de Monceio”, by whom she had “unum filium...Drogonem”[469]. Her birth date is indicated bearing in mind that she had children by both her marriages. The date of her first marriage is estimated assuming that she was about 12 years old at the time. She married secondly Dreux [I] Seigneur de Moncy. Her second marriage is confirmed by Orderic Vitalis who names "Hugo filius Girardi de Gornaco" and "Drogo, vitricus eius"[470]. Gérard & his [first/second] wife had [one child]:
i) [AMICIE de Gournay (before [1085]-[after 1100]). Her marriage and family connection are indicated by Orderic Vitalis who records that "Hugo filius Girardi de Gornaco" rebelled against King Henry I after the marriage of his sister Gundred in Jun [1118], and captured “municipium...Plessicii” which he granted to "nepoti eius Hugoni Talabot"[471]. The passage indicates that Hugh Talbot was at least a young adult at the time, so not born later than [1100], which would place his mother’s birth no later than [1085]. There are therefore at least three possibilities for her parentage. Firstly, if she was the child of Gérard de Gournay by his known wife Edive de Warenne, Edive would have been born in the early part of her estimated birth date range shown above and Amicie born soon after the marriage. Secondly, given that that chronology is tight, Amicie could have been the daughter of Gérard by an earlier otherwise unrecorded marriage. Thirdly, the word “nepos” in Orderic could indicate a more distant family relationship than nephew, maybe first cousin, in which case Amicie could have been the daughter of Hugues [III] de Gournay, although the more remote the relationship the less likely the appointment of Richard Talbot as custodian of the castle by Hugues [IV] de Gournay. On balance, the most likely case appears to be the second. Her name is indicated by two charters of King Henry II: Henry II King of England confirmed the possessions of the abbey of Valmont, including donations by "…Richardi Tallebot et Amicie uxoris eius et Hugonis et Willelmi filiorum suorum…", by charter dated to [1181/83][472]. Henry II King of England confirmed the possessions of the priory of Sainte-Foi de Longueville, including donations by "Ricardi Thalebot et Avitie uxoris sue et Hugonis filii sui", by charter dated to [Mar/Jun] 1189[473]. m RICHARD Talbot, son of ---.]
Gérard & his [second] wife had two children:
ii) HUGUES [IV] de Gournay ([1098/1100]-1180). Orderic Vitalis names "Hugo filius Girardi de Gornaco" and "Drogo vitricus eius"[474].
- see below.
iii) GUNDRED de Gournay ([1100/1105]-after 1155). Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Nigello de Albinneio” married “Gundredam filiam Giraldi de Gornaco” by whom he had “filium...Rogerium de Moubraio”[475]. Orderic Vitalis records the marriage in Jun [1118] of "Hugo filius Girardi de Gornaco...sorore sua...Gundrea...consilio regis" to “Nigello de Albinneio”[476]. In another passage she is named as second wife of Nigel d'Aubigny[477]. The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Gunderede uxori Nig de Albin" in Leicestershire[478]. ”Gundreda, uxor Nigelli de Albini” donated property to the Hospital of St Leonard, York by undated charter which names “Rogero de Molbray filio suo”[479]. An undated charter notes the donation of ”Hospitale Sancti Michaelis Archangeli” to Whitby Monastery, at the request of “Dominam Gundredam uxorem Nigelli de Albini” for the soul of “Rogero de Moubray filio eorum”[480]. m (Jun [1118]) as his second wife, NELE de Albini, son of ROGER de Albini & his wife Amice --- (-21 or 26 Nov 1129).
- Title: FMG: Medievel Lands Project, NORMANDY NOBILITY ARQUES, AUMÂLE, CAUX, ROUEN, EU; FLAITEL
Author: Foundation for Medieval Genealogy: Medieval Lands Project; NORMANDY NOBILITY ARQUES, AUMÂLE, CAUX, ROUEN, EU; FLAITEL
Publication: Name: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normacre.htm;
Note: Gerard Flaitel (-1047): "Gerardus Flagitellus", gravely ill, donated to Saint-Wandrille and became a monk there by chareter dated to 1938/47; married ..., daughter of ... (The name of Gerard's wife is not known.) (The wife of Gérard Flaitel may have been the sister of Radbod Bishop of Sées: Orderic Vitalis records that "Guillelmus Radbodi Sagienes episcopi" relative of "Guillemi Ebroicensium", son of "Girardi Fleitelli" succeeded Lanfranc when the latter was appointed archbishop of Canterbury, dated 1070, adding that Guillaume was appointed archbishop of Rouen nine years later. Gerard & his wife had seven children:
a) Guillaume Flaitel (-1066): Bishop of Everux 1046
b) Anscher Flaitel (-after 1047): "Anscherius" son of "Gerardi Flagitel" subscribed the charter under which Guillaume Duke of Normandy donated the church of Arques to Saint-Wandrille, dated 1035/55.
c) Robert Flaitel (-after 1047)
d) son(s) (-after 1047): "Willelmus ... Ebrocassine" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Wandrille, in memory of "patris mei Girardi" and for the souls of "fratrum meorum" by undated charter.
e) Albert: Guillaume of Jumieges records that "Avesgotus" invaded "Albertum Girardi Flatelli", after Ives Bishop of Sees ad expelled Avesgod ans his brothers from the church of St Gervais, and was killed. It is not known whether "Albertum" in this passage represents an error for one of the other sons of Gerard Flaitel who are named above. No other reference to Albert has been founf.
f) Ermengarde: Guillaume de Jumieges records that "Galterium Giffardum primum" married first daughter of "Girardi Flatelli.; married Gauthier Giffard, son of Osbern de Bolbec & his first/second wife Aveline .../Hawise ... (-before 1085)
g) Basilie (-16 Jan 1099/1100): married firstly Raoul de Gace, son of Robert Comte d'Everux Archbishop of Rouen, Normandy & his mistress Herleva ... (-1051); married secondly Hugues III Seigneur de Gournay, son of ... (-1093)
Page: m:Basilie Flaitel
- Title: Hugues III de Gournay, "Find A Grave Index"
Author: "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVLX-4TM1 : 7 July 2020), Hugues III de Gournay, 1101; Burial, , ; citing record ID , Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.
Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVLX-4TM1;
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