Elizabeth Comyn

• Preferred Name: Elizabeth Comyn^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]}
  
• Gender: F
  
• Death: 20 NOV 1372 in Wyke, Cornwall, England at LATI: N0.2512 LONG: E5.0668
  
• Birth: 1 NOV 1299 in Badenoch, Inverness-shire, Scotland at LATI: N6.95 LONG: E4.3167
  
• FSID: MS3Q-GPJ
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  Elizabeth de Comyn (1 November 1299 - 20 November 1372) was a medieval noblewoman and heiress, notable for being kidnapped by the Despenser family towards the end of the reign of King Edward II.
  
  Background
  
  Elizabeth was born to John III Comyn, Lord of Badenoch, also known as the "Red Comyn", a powerful Scottish nobleman related to the Scottish crown, and Joan de Valence, the daughter of the French knight William de Valence, 1st Earl of Pembroke. She was the youngest of three children, with an elder sister, Joan de Comyn, and brother, John de Comyn. Her father was stabbed to death in 1306 by Robert the Bruce and Elizabeth and her siblings were sent south to England for their own safety. Joan married David II Strathbogie, the earl of Atholl, whilst her brother John later died at the Battle of Bannockburn in 1314, fighting Robert.
  
  Inheritance and kidnap
  In 1324 Elizabeth's uncle on her father's side, Aymer de Valence, the earl of Pembroke, died. Since he had no surviving children, Aymer's considerable lands were then divided amongst his sisters; Isabel de Valence had died in 1305, leaving her share to her son, John Hastings, whilst Elizabeth's mother left lands to her daughters Joan and Elizabeth. Joan inherited the manor and castle of Mitford, the manor of Ponteland, and lands in Little Eland, and the manor of Foston. Elizabeth inherited the powerful fortress of Goodrich Castle and the manor of Painswick.
  
  By the mid-1320s, however, England was in the grip of the oppressive rule of the Marcher lords Hugh le Despenser the older and his son Hugh Despenser the younger, the royal favourites of King Edward II.[1] As part of a "sweeping revenge" on their rivals, especially in the Marches, the Despensers illegally seized a wide range of properties, particularly from vulnerable targets such as widows, or wives whose husbands were out of favour with the king.[2]
  
  Elizabeth de Comyn was held by the Despensers in an attempt to gain ownership of the powerful castle of Goodrich.
  John Hastings was effectively controlled by the Despensers and they ensured that he inherited an unequally large settlement of the Pembroke lands, anticipating that they would be able to marry him into their family and thereby acquire control of the estates themselves.[3]
  
  To deal with Elizabeth, however, stronger measures were necessary. Upon her inheritance, Hugh le Despenser the younger promptly kidnapped Elizabeth in London and transported her to Herefordshire to be imprisoned in her own castle at Goodrich.[4] Threatened with death, Elizabeth was finally forced to sign over the castle and other lands to the Despensers in April 1325.[5] She was also forced to sign a debt notice of £10,000, a huge sum,[6] which was witnessed by John de Bousser, a corrupt royal justice.[7]
  
  Released, Elizabeth then married the English knight Richard Talbot, the 2nd Baron Talbot. Queen Isabella of France landed in England in late 1326 and deposed both the Despensers and her husband Edward II; Richard promptly seized Goodrich Castle from the Despensers, and Talbot and Elizabeth regained their legal title to the castle the following year.[8] The Despensers were executed by Isabella, who killed Hugh the Younger in a particularly gruesome fashion.
  
  Later years
  Elizabeth and Richard did well in the coming years. They had a son, Gilbert, in 1332. Richard progressed at court under Edward III and eventually became a royal steward. After Richard's death in 1356, Elizabeth remarried to Sir John Bromwich. She died in 1372.[9] Elizabeth's heraldic device was three garbs, which she maintained as her own, rather than adopting her husbands'.
  
  Life Story
  from wikipedia
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_de_Comyn
  
  Background
  
  Elizabeth was born to John III Comyn, Lord of Badenoch, also known as the "Red Comyn", a powerful Scottish nobleman rel
  
  BIO
  BIO: from http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#ElizabethComyndied1373M1RichardTalbot as of 3/9/2016
  
  ELIZABETH Comyn (1 Nov 1299-20 Nov 1372).
  
  m firstly ([24 Jul 1326/23 Mar 132
  
  === Sources: Ancestral Roots 84A, 95; Smallw ===
  Sources: Ancestral Roots 84A, 95; Smallwood. Roots: Elizabeth Comyn, daughter and coheir.
  
  === SOURCE: Plantagenet Ancestry of 17th Cen ===
  SOURCE: Plantagenet Ancestry of 17th Century Colonists p. 263.
  
  === Source: Weis, Sheppard, Beal, The Magna ===
  Source: Weis, Sheppard, Beal, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215, 5th Ed., Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, [1999], 141-5.
  
  === My PAF Notes ===
  from thepeerage.com, 4/2009:
  Elizabeth Comyn1
  F, #213412
  Last Edited=4 Dec 2006
  Elizabeth Comyn married Richard Talbot, 2nd Lord Talbot , son of Gilbert Talbot, 1st Lord Talbot and Ann le Botiler .1
  Her married name became Talbot.1
  Child of Elizabeth Comyn and Richard Talbot, 2nd Lord Talbot
  Gilbert Talbot, 3rd Lord Talbot + d. 24 Apr 13871
  Citations
  [S1916 ] Tim Boyle, "re: Boyle Family," e-mail message from > (unknown address) to Darryl Roger Lundy, 16 September 2006. Hereinafter cited as "re: Boyle Family".
  
  === AFN: Information received from tghe boo ===
  AFN: Information received from tghe book "Robert the Bruce's Rivals: The Comyns 1212-1314".
  
  === John/de Bromwich ===
  John/de Bromwich

• m. 10 JUL 1326

1. Gilbert de Talbot III, b. 27 AUG 1331 in Goodrich Castle, Goodrich, Herefordshire, England     d. 24 APR 1387 in Roales, Roales de Campos, Valladolid, Castilla y León, Spain
2. Gwenthlian Talbot, b. ABT 1322 in Herefordshire, England     d. BEF OCT 1375 in Salisbury, Wiltshire, England

• m. BET 21 FEB 1357 AND 21 FEB 1358 in Wyke, Cornwall, England

1. Title: Elizabeth de Comyn (1299-1372), Wikipedia
   Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_de_Comyn;
   Note: Elizabeth de Comyn (7 October 1299 – 20 November 1372) was a medieval noblewoman and heiress, notable for being kidnapped by the Despenser family towards the end of the reign of King Edward II. Elizabeth was born to John III Comyn, Lord of Badenoch, also known as the "Red Comyn", a powerful Scottish nobleman related to the Scottish crown, and Joan de Valence, the daughter of the French knight William de Valence, 1st Earl of Pembroke. She was the youngest of three children, with an elder sister, Joan de Comyn, and brother, John de Comyn. Elizabeth then married the English knight Richard Talbot, the 2nd Baron Talbot. Elizabeth and Richard did well in the coming years. They had a son, Gilbert, in 1332. Richard progressed at court under Edward III and eventually became a royal steward. After Richard's death in 1356, Elizabeth remarried to Sir John Bromwich. She died in 1372.
   
2. Title: Elizabeth Comyn Talbot (1299-1372), "Find A Grave Index"
   Author: "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:68JM-52XN : 10 September 2022), Elizabeth Comyn Talbot, ; Burial, , ; citing record ID 228134161, Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.
   Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:68JM-52XN;
   Note: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/228134161/elizabeth-talbot Elizabeth Comyn Talbot BIRTH 1 Nov 1299 DEATH 20 Nov 1372 (aged 73) BURIAL Burial Details Unknown MEMORIAL ID 228134161 Parents: John Comyn unknown–1306 Joan de Valence Comyn 1230–1307 Spouse: Richard Talbot 1302–1356
   
3. Title: Line of Descent from the Founders of Balliol College to Patrick Michael O'Shea
   Author: Balliol College Archives & Manuscripts
   Publication: Name: http://archives.balliol.ox.ac.uk/History/foundersoshea.asp;
   Note: Elizabeth Comyn (1 Nov 1299-20 Nov 1372). m. firstly ([24 Jul 1326/23 Mar 1327]) Sir Richard Talbot, son of Gilbert Talbot & his wife Anne le Botiler of Wem, Shropshire ([1305]-23 Oct 1356). He was summoned to parliament 27 Jan 1332, whereby he is held to have become Lord Talbot (b. about 1305 – d. 23 OCT, 1356).
   Page: Gives information about genealogy
   
4. Title: Inquisitions Post Mortem (IPMs) for Elizabeth late the wife of Richard Talbot, knight
   Author: A. E. Stamp, J. B. W. Chapman, M. C. B. Dawes and D. B. Wardle, 'Inquisitions Post Mortem, Edward III, File 231', in Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem: Volume 13, Edward III (London, 1954), pp. 195-214. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol13/pp195-214 [accessed 23 January 2020].
   Publication: Name: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol13/pp195-214;
   Note: 213. ELIZABETH LATE THE WIFE OF RICHARD TALBOT, knight. Writ, 1 December, 46 Edward III [1372]. BEDFORD. Inq. taken at Bikeleswade, 4 January, 46 Edward III. Alruchesheye. A view of frankpledge twice a year, held by service of a fortieth part of a knight’s fee. Everton. The like, held by service of a sixtieth part of a knight’s fee. Both held of the king in chief as parcel of two-thirds of a fourth part of the earldom of Pembroke. She died on 20 November last. Gilbert Talbot, her son, aged 30 years and more, is her heir. BUCKINGHAM. Inq. taken at Neuportpaynel, 10 January, 46 Edward III. Mulso. 2s. rent from tenants there, held by service of a fortieth part of a knight’s fee. Lechampstede, Bechampton and Lullyngston. A view of frankpledge twice a year, held by service of a sixtieth part of a knight’s fee. Great Lynford. The like, held by service of a fortieth part of a knight’s fee. Pichelesthorn. The like, held by service of a hundredth part of a knight’s fee. All held of the king in chief as parcel of two-thirds of a fourth part of the earldom of Pembroke. Date of death and heir as above. CAMBRIDGE. Inq. taken at Newmarket, 6 January, 46 Edward III. She held no lands &c. in the county. Writ, 1 December, 46 Edward III. HEREFORD. Inq. (indented) taken at Hereford, 11 November (sic), 46 Edward III. Irchenfeld. The hundred. Wormelowe. The manor, without buildings or demesne lands, and consisting only of rents of assise and pleas and perquisites of court. Both held of the king in chief, on an exchange with the king for the manor of Hertfordyngbury which was of the inheritance of Aymer de Valencia, by service of one knight’s fee. Penyzard. A park so called (extent given, including a tower), held in dower of the king in chief by endowment of Gilbert Talbot, son and heir of the said Richard and Elizabeth. Date of death and heir as above. HEREFORD AND THE ADJACENT MARCH OF WALES. Inq. (indented) taken at Goderych Castle, 10 December, 46 Edward III. Goderychescastell. The castle and lordship (extent given). The extent includes a wood called ‘Coppyngwode,’ underwoods called ‘Donwarth’ and ‘Longegrove’ which were made into charcoal last year, and a weir broken by the rivers. Lusteport. A third part of a knight’s fee, lately held by the heir of Henry Monemouthe. Chylchestre. A moiety of a knight’s fee, lately held by John Bluet. These fees are of the inheritance of Aymer de Valencia, late earl of Pembroke. She held all the premises, together with lands etc. in other counties, of the king in chief by service of two-thirds of a fourth part of the earldom of Pembroke. Date of death and heir as above. GLOUCESTER AND THE ADJACENT MARCH OF WALES. Inq. (indented) taken at Gloucester, 7 December, 46 Edward III. Payneswyk. The manor (extent given, including a pasture called ‘Wodameslese’ and a park with deer). Morton Valence. The manor (extent given, including a weir in the Severn in bad condition). Lanwaryn. A moiety of a knight’s fee, held by Giles le Walsshe. Eggesworth. A moiety of a knight’s fee, held by Thomas Rale. (fn. 1) Daglyngworth. A moiety of a knight’s fee, held by John son and heir of Ralph Bluet. The said fees are of the inheritance of Aymer de Valencia, late earl of Pembroke. She held all the premises of the king in chief, as above (last inquisition). Date of death and heir as above. Writ, 1 December, 46 Edward III. SUFFOLK. Inq. (indented) taken at Bekles, 6 December, 46 Edward III. Eggemere. A fourth part of a knight’s fee. Hautbeys, Tadyngton, Calthorp and Weston. A third part of a knight’s fee. Wridlyngton. The advowson of the church. All the above are of the inheritance of the said late earl of Pembroke, and were held by Elizabeth, together with other manors &c. in other counties, of the king in chief by service of two-thirds of a fourth part of the earldom of Pembroke. Date of death and heir as above. NORFOLK. Inq. (indented) taken at Lenn, 8 December, 46 Edward III. Gutherston. A sixteenth part of a knight’s fee. Skulthorp, Dodelyngton, Fouldon, Northwell, Tadersete, Hyklyngton, Little Riburgh, Styberd, Northbarsham, Snetesham, Anemere, Sharneburn, Froyngg, Caldesthorp and Dollyng. Eight knights’ fees. Yelverton and Wolkeurne. A fourth part of a knight’s fee. Great Melton. The advowson of the church. Catfeld. The advowson of a mediety of the church. All the above are of the inheritance of the said earl, and were held by Elizabeth as above (last inquisition). Date of death and heir as above. Writ, 1 December, 46 Edward III. KENT. Inq. (indented) taken at Depford, 19 February, 47 Edward III. Hertele. The advowson of the church, held of the king in chief as parcel of two-thirds of a fourth part of the earldom of Pembroke. Date of death and heir as above. Writ, 1 December, 46 Edward III. WORCESTER. Inq. taken at Worcester, 8 December, 46 Edward III. Staunton. A moiety of a knight’s fee, formerly held by Robert Staunton. Hulle. A moiety of a knight’s fee, lately held by John Hulle. All the above are of the inheritance of the said late earl of Pembroke, and were held by Elizabeth, together with other manors &c. in other counties, of the king in chief by service of two-thirds of a fourth part of the earldom of Pembroke. Date of death and heir as above. C. Edw. III. File 231. (1.) E. Inq. P.M., File 35. (9.) (Gloucester, Hereford and Buckingham.)
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5. Title: Inquisitions Post Mortem (IPMs) for Richard Talbot, knight, the elder
   Author: A. E. Stamp, E. Salisbury, E. G. Atkinson and J. J. O'Reilly, 'Inquisitions Post Mortem, Edward III, File 135', in Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem: Volume 10, Edward III (London, 1921), pp. 274-292. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol10/pp274-292 [accessed 23 January 2020].
   Publication: Name: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol10/pp274-292;
   Note: 326. RICHARD TALBOT, knight, the elder. Writ, 30 October, 30 Edward III [1356]. OXFORD. Inq. taken at Bampton, 25 November, 30 Edward III. He was not seised of any lands &c. in the county on the day he died, because, with the king’s licence, he granted to Thomas Talbot, clerk, John Carreu, knight, and John Laundels on 6 July, 29 Edward III, the manor of Bampton, to hold for their lives of the king and his heirs by the accustomed services. He died on 23 October last. Gilbert Talbot, his son, aged 24 years and more, is his heir. BERKS. Inq. taken at Farndon, 24 November, 30 Edward III. He was not seised of any lands &c. in the county on the day he died, because, with the king’s licence, he granted to the abovenamed Thomas, John and John on the aforesaid date the manor of Fernham to hold as above. Date of death and heir as above. Writ, 30 October, 30 Edward III. GLOUCESTER. Inq. taken at Gloucester, Saturday after St. Edmund the Bishop, 30 Edward III. Hunteleye. The manor held of the duke of Lancaster in socage by service of 10s. yearly. He was not seised, on the day he died, of any other lands &c. in the county, because, with the king’s licence he granted to the abovenamed Thomas, John and John on the aforesaid date the manors of Payneswyk, Morton and Whaddon to hold for their lives as above. Date of death and heir as above. Writ, 30 October, 30 Edward III. HEREFORD AND THE ADJACENT MARCH OF WALES. Inq. taken in the castle of Hereford, Saturday after St. Edmund the Bishop, 30 Edward III. Credenhull. The manor held jointly with Elizabeth his wife, to them and the heirs of the deceased, of Thomas Chaundos, knight, by service of a moiety of a knight’s fee. Penyord. The park held jointly as above of the king in chief by knight’s service. La Mere. A messuage and a carucate of land held of the earl of March by service of 1d. yearly. Wormelow. The manor, and the hundred of Irchenefeld, held jointly as above of the king in chief by service of a knight’s fee. Castle Goodrich (de Castro Goderici). The manor held jointly with Elizabeth his wife, to them and the heirs of their bodies, of the king in chief, service not known. He died on Saturday after St. Luke, 30 Edward III. Gilbert Talbot, knight, his son, of full age, is his heir. Writ, 14 November, 30 Edward III. KENT. Inq. taken at Swanescompe, Thursday after the Epiphany, 30 30 Edward III. Swanescompe. The manor held for his life jointly with Elizabeth his wife, as of her right, of the king in chief by service of a moiety and a tenth part of a knight’s fee. He held no more lands &c. in the county. He died on 26 October, 30 Edward III. Richard (sic) his son, aged 30 years, is his heir. Writ of certiorari de feodis &c., 14 November, 30 Edward III. KENT. Extent made at Swanescompe, Thursday after the Epiphany, 30 Edward III. (Mutilated.) Wotringbury. A knight’s fee and a half held by Juliana, countess of Huntingdon. Boklonde. A moiety of a knight’s fee held by John de Boklond. Swanescomp. A twentieth part of a knight’s fee held by John de Coumbe. Ecclessh. A moiety of a knight’s fee held by William Baud. Occle. A knight’s fee held by John de Sancto Claro. Mersshtone. A knight’s fee held by the son of Hugh Symound. Little Prestone. A moiety of a knight’s fee held by John de Cobeham. Melton and Gravesende. A moiety of a knight’s fee held by Thomas de Gravesende. … The advowson of the church. Hertlee. The advowson of the church. He had no more knights’ fees or advowsons in the county. Writ of certiorari de feodis &c., 26 November, 30 Edward III. HEREFORD AND THE ADJACENT MARCH OF WALES. Inq. taken in the castle of Hereford, Saturday before St. Hilary, 30 Edward III. He had no knights’ fees in the county. Crendehull. The advowson of the church held jointly with Elizabeth his wife, the value they know not. Writ to enquire as to lands, &c. held by the deceased, of which no mention is made in the inquisition taken after his death. 30 November, 30 Edward III. HEREFORD AND THE ADJACENT MARCH OF WALES. Inq. taken in the castle of Hereford, Saturday before St. Hilary, 30 Edward III. Ecleswall in Lynton. The manor, held of the king in chief by service of a knight’s fee. Cleve within the manor of Wilton. A messuage and 6a. land held of the king in chief, service not known. C. Edw. III. File 135. (3.)
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6. Title: Elizabeth Comyn (1299-1372), "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors"
   Author: https://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p370.htm#i11110 8 Citations: 1. [S2902] Unknown author, Ancestral Roots of 60 Colonists by F. L. Weis, p. 92; Burke's Peerage, 1938, p. 2236; The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, by Ronny O. Bodine, p. 121. 2. [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 426. [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. IV, p. 165-166. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. I, p. 234. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. II, p. 141-142. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. V, p. 114-116. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. I, p. 232-233. [S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 702.
   Publication: Name: https://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p370.htm#i11110;
   Note: Elizabeth Comyn [1,2,3,4,5,6] Last Edited 4 Apr 2020 F, #11110, b. 1 November 1299, d. 20 November 1372 Father Sir John "the Red" Comyn, Lord Badenock2,3,7,5,6 d. 10 Feb 1306 Mother Joan de Valence7,6 d. b 1324 Elizabeth Comyn was born on 1 November 1299 at of Badenoch, Inverness-shire, Scotland.6 She married Sir Richard Talbot, 2nd Lord Talbot & Lord of Mar, Justice of the Peace for Gloucestershire & Herefordshire, son of Gilbert Talbot, 1st Baron Talbot, Lord Chamberlain, Justice of South Wales and Anne le Boteler, circa 10 July 1326; They had 1 son (Sir Gilbert, 3rd Lord Talbot) & 1 daughter (Joan, wife of Sir Nicholas Poynings).2,3,4,5,6 Elizabeth Comyn married Sir John de Bromwich, Justiciar of Ireland, son of Ralph Bromwich, between 21 February 1358 and 16 February 1361; No issue.6 Elizabeth Comyn died on 20 November 1372 at age 73.6 Family 1 Sir Richard Talbot, 2nd Lord Talbot & Lord of Mar, Justice of the Peace for Gloucestershire & Herefordshire b. c 1305, d. 23 Oct 1356 Child Sir Gilbert Talbot, 3rd Lord Talbot+8,2,3,5,6 b. c 1332, d. 24 Apr 1387 Family 2 Sir John de Bromwich, Justiciar of Ireland b. c 1332, d. b 20 Sep 1388
   
7. Title: Elizabeth Comyn in The Peerage
   Author: https://www.thepeerage.com/p21342.htm#i213412 Citations: 1. [S1916] Tim Boyle, "re: Boyle Family," e-mail message to Darryl Roger Lundy, 16 September 2006. Hereinafter cited as "re: Boyle Family." 2. [S37] BP2003 volume 3, page 3603. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S37]
   Publication: Name: https://www.thepeerage.com/p21342.htm#i213412;
   Note: Elizabeth Comyn is the daughter of John 'the Red' Comyn, 2nd of Badenoch and Joan de Valence.2 She married Richard Talbot, 2nd Lord Talbot, son of Gilbert Talbot, 1st Lord Talbot and Ann le Botiler, from 24 July 1326 to 23 March 1326/27.2 From from 24 July 1326 to 23 March 1326/27, her married name became Talbot.1 Child of Elizabeth Comyn and Richard Talbot, 2nd Lord Talbot: Gilbert Talbot, 3rd Lord Talbot+1 b. c 1332, d. 24 Apr 1387