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Joan De Somerville
- Preferred Name: Joan De Somerville[1] [2] [3] [4]
- Alternate Name: De Cromwell
- Gender: F
- Alt. Birth: ABT 1272 in Wychnor, Staffordshire, England at LATI: N2.743 LONG: E1.739
- FSID: 9CX4-CW4
- Birth: ABT 1273 in Wychnor, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom at LATI: N2.743 LONG: E1.739
- Death: 9 AUG 1348 in England, United Kijngdom at LATI: N2.4379 LONG: E1.6496 with note: Find a Grave is incorrect on her death date. As Joan outlived BOTH her husbands. She married Henry de Grey before 6 June 1301 and survived Ralph who died 2 Mar 1299.
- Notes:
=== Life Sketch ===
“Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
“HENRY DE GREY, Knt., of Codnor, Derbyshire, Grays Thurrocks, Essex, Tunworth and Upton Grey, Hampshire, Aylesford and Hoo, Kent, Evington, Leicestershire, Sherringham, Norfolk, Eastwood and Toton, Nottinghamshire, etc., son and heir, born about 1255/8 (aged 14, 15, or 17 in 1272). He married (1st) ELEANOR ___. They had four sons, Richard, Knt. [2nd Lord Grey of Codnor], Nicholas, Thomas and Henry, and two daughters, Lucy and Joan (nun). He fought in Wales in 1282. In 1294 he was going to Gascony in the retinue of Edmund, the king's brother. He was again on service in Gascony in 1295 and 1297. He presented to the church of Heanor, Derbyshire in 1298 and 1304. He was constantly employed in the Scottish wars of King Edward I. He was summoned to Parliament from 6 Feb. 1298/9 to 16 August 1308, by writs directed Henrico de Grey, whereby he is held to have become Lord Grey. He was present at the Siege of Caerlaverock in 1300. He signed the Barons' letter to Pope Boniface VIII in 1301 as Dominus de Codnore. In 1306, in consideration of his services in Scotland and elsewhere, he had a pardon for all debts due from him or his ancestors to the Exchequer. He married (2nd) shortly before 6 June 1301 JOAN DE SOMERVILLE, widow of Ralph de Cromwell, Knt., of Cromwell and Lambley, Nottinghamshire (died before 2 March 1298/9) [se CROMWELL 5], and daughter of Robert de Somerville, Knt., of Wichnor (in Tatenhill), Staffordshire, by Isabel, daughter and co-heiress of
Roger de Merlay, Knt. [see SOMERVILLE 8 for her ancestry]. In 1305 he conveyed the manor of Barton le Street, Yorkshire to his son, Nicholas de Grey. SIR HENRY DE GREY, 1st Lord Grey of Codnor, died shortly before 18 Sept. 1308. He left a will dated 9 Sept. 1308, proved 16 and 19 Sept. and 15 and 22 October 1309, requesting burial in the Carmelite Friars at Aylesford, Kent.
Banks Baronies in Fee 1 (1844): 227-230 (sub Grey of Codnor). Cox Notes on the Churches of Derbyshire 4 (1879): 233-234. Wrottesley Staffordshire Suits: Plea Rolls (Colls. Hist. Staffs. 7) (1886): 47-48, 97, 108, 113. Birch Cat. Seals in the British Museum 3 (1894): 36-37 (seal of Henry de Grey, lord of Codnor dated 1301 - A shield of arms: barry of six, GREY. Suspended by a strap from a tree of three branches, with two smaller branches at the side. Legend: * DE LEIAVTE SE....VNTE(?). Beaded borders.). Cal IPM 1 (1904): 276-277; 5 (1908): 50-51. Brown Yorkshire Inquisitions 4 (Yorkshire Arch. Soc. Rec. Ser. 37): (1906): 116. VCH Hampshire 3 (1908): 383; 4 (1911): 174-175. Register of John le Romeyn Lord Archbishop of York 1 (Surtees Soc. 123) (1913): 320. C.P. 6 (1926): 123-124 ("said to have m., 1stly, Eleanor, da. of Sir Hugh de Courtenay"). Paget (1957) 259: 3-4 (sub Grey of Codnor) (no identification of parents of wife). List of Ancient Correspondence of the Chancery & the Exchequer (PRO, Lists and Indexes 15): 393 (letter re. marriage of daughter Lucy to John de Somery). Index to Ancient Correspondence of the Chancery & the Exchequer 1 (PRO, Lists and Indexes, Supp. Ser., No. 15): 509.
Children of Henry de Grey, Knt., by Eleanor
i. RICHARD DE GREY, Knt., 2nd Lord Grey of Codnor [see next].
ii. LUCY DE GREY, married JOHN DE SOMERY, Knt., Lord Somery [see SOMERY 4.ii].”
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Joan de Somerville married Ralph de Cromwell III. He died, and she remarried Henry de Lord Grey or Codnor in 1301. Sometimes because of this marriage she is also known as Joan de Grey.
=== Ancestral File Number: V9S7-S3 ===
Ancestral File Number: V9S7-S3
Preferred Parents:
Father: Robert de Somerville, b. ABT 1235 in Linton, Roxburghshire, Scotland d. 17 OCT 1297 in Wychnor, Staffordshire, England
Mother: Isabel de Merlay, b. ABT 1255 in Morpeth, Northumberland, England d. 3 JUL 1303 in Stanton, Northumberland, England
Family 1: Ralph De Cromwell III, b. ABT 1270 in Tamworth Castle, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom d. 1294 in Nottinghamshire, England, United Kingdom
- m. 1290 in Horncastle, Lincolnshire, England
- Ralph Cromwell, b. 1291 d. 1364
Family 2: Henry de Grey 1st Baron, b. 1256 in Codnor, Basford, Derbyshire, England d. 1 SEP 1308 in Aylesford, Kent, England
Sources:
- Title: Joan Somerville on WikiTree
Author: WikiTree contributors, "Joan Somerville", WikiTree, http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Somerville-495 (accessed 26 April 2022)
Publication: Name: http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Somerville-495;
- Title: Ancestral Roots
Author: Ancestral Roots by Frederick Weis, 7th ed.
Note: Lineage p. 232 line 258:31
Page: Death
- Title: American Genealogical-Biographical Index (AGBI)
Publication: Name: http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid=3599&h=2391543&indiv=try;
- Title: Joan de Somerville, "Find A Grave Index"
Author: "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2DJ-HSSD : 10 September 2021), Joan de Somerville, ; Burial, Tattershall, East Lindsey District, Lincolnshire, England, Holy Trinity Churchyard; citing record ID 172139858, Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.
Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2DJ-HSSD;
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