Theobauld de Verdun

• Preferred Name: Theobauld de Verdun^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11]}
  
• Gender: M
  
• FSID: 9Z8T-VG9
  
• Birth: 1248 in England
  
• Death: 24 AUG 1309 in Staffordshire, England at LATI: N2.7795 LONG: E1.9171
  
• Burial: 13 SEP 1309 in Croxden Abbey, Staffordshire, England at LATI: N2.9574 LONG: E1.905
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  Our royal, titled, noble and commoner ancestors
  
  Sir Theobald de Verdun, 1st Lord Verdun, Constable of Ireland, Baron/Lord of Duleek1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8
  Last Edited 4 Apr 2020
  M, #11297, b. circa 1248, d. 24 August 1309
  Father Sir John de Verdun, Constable of Ireland, Keeper of Odiham Castle, Justice itinerant for Shropshire & Staffordshire [2,9,10] b. c 1226, d. c 17 Oct 1274
  Mother Margery de Lacy [2,9,10] d. 1256
  Sir Theobald de Verdun, 1st Lord Verdun, Constable of Ireland, Baron/Lord of Duleek was born circa 1248 at of Weobley & Ewyas, Herefordshire, England; Age 23 in 1271; age 26 in 1274. [2,5,8] He married Margery de Bohun, daughter of Sir Humphrey VI de Bohun and Eleanor de Brewes, before 6 November 1276; They had 7 sons (John; Sir Thebaud, 2nd Lord Verdun; Miles; Bertram; Nicholas; Walter; & William) and 1 daughter (Rose). [11,2,3,4,5,6,7,8] Sir Theobald de Verdun, 1st Lord Verdun, Constable of Ireland, Baron/Lord of Duleek died on 24 August 1309 at Alton, Staffordshire, England; Buried at Croxton Abbey, Staffordshire. [2,5,8]
  Family: Margery de Bohun b. c 1256, d. bt 1280 - 1304
  Children:
  Miles de Verdon
  Sir Nicholas de Verdun
  John de Verdun d. 13 Jun 1297
  Sir Theobald de Verdun, Lord Weoberley, Baron Alton, 2nd Lord Verdun, Constable & Justiciar of Ireland+ [12,2,4,5,7,8] b. 8 Sep 1278, d. 27 Jul 1316
  
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  Sir Theobald De Verdun was born on September 8, 1278. He had one daughter with Elizabeth DeClare in 1387. He died on July 27, 1316, in Alton, Staffordshire, England, at the age of 37.
  
  BIO
  BIO: from http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3T-Z.htm#ElizabethVerdunMBartholomewBurghersh as of 6/16/2016
  
  THEOBALD [I] de Verdun ([1248]-Alton 24 Aug 1309, bur Croxden). The Ch
  
  === Source: [1] Source: Weis, Sheppard, Beal ===
  Source: [1] Source: Weis, Sheppard, Beal, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215, 5th Ed., Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, [1999], 13-6 p. 14, [2] David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of 17th Century Colonists, (Genealogical Publishing Company, 1996, Baltimore), 13-6. M.P. 1299-1314.
  
  === https://www.tudorplace.com.ar/BUTLER.htm#Theobald%20Le%20Botiller%20FITZWALTER%20(Lord%20of%20Preston) ===
  https://www.tudorplace.com.ar/BUTLER.htm#Theobald%20Le%20Botiller%20FITZWALTER%20(Lord%20of%20Preston)
  
  === !BIRTH: from The Complet Peerage !MARRI ===
  !BIRTH: from The Complet Peerage !MARRIAGE: from The Complet Peerage !DEATH: from The Complet Peerage
  
  === ! !Americans of Royal Descent, by Charle ===
  ! !Americans of Royal Descent, by Charles H. Browning, page 202 Seventh Baron, lord high constable of Ireland
  
  === !Theobald de Verdon, b. ca. 1248, d. Alt ===
  !Theobald de Verdon, b. ca. 1248, d. Alton, co. Stafford, 24 Aug. 1309, M.P. 1289/90. Baron, 1308, 1st Lord Verdun, Constable of Ireland, Lord of Dulek; m. by 6 Nov. 1276, Margery (or Eleanor), h. of 1/4 hundred of Bisley, co. Gloucester. [Weis "Ancestral Roots" line 70-31, p. 72.]
  
  === (23-1271) Lord Of Westmeath, Constable O ===
  (23-1271) Lord Of Westmeath, Constable Of Ireland. !NAME:Complete Peerage, Complete Peerage, G.E. Cockayne, St. Catherine Press, 29 Great Queen St, Kingsway, W.C. 1959, Vol XIIpII pp250-2 !NAME:University of Hull Royal Database (England), University of Hull Royal Database (England), Brian Tompsett, Dept of Computer Science, copyright 1994, 1995, 1996 !NAME:!Fix This Source-10, Garner, Lorraine Ann Lori, P.O. Box 577, Bayview, ID 83803 !NAME:!Fix This Source-10, Garner, Lorraine Ann Lori, P.O. Box 577, Bayview, ID 83803 !NAME:Mann Database, Mann Database, Ed Mann !NAME:large-G675.FTW, large-G675.FTW !NAME:large-G675.FTW, large-G675.FTW !NAME:11615-2.ftw, 11615-2.ftw !BIRTH:Emerson2.ged, Emerson2.ged !BIRTH:Stredel2.FTW, Stredel2.FTW !BIRTH:University of Hull Royal Database (England), University of Hull Royal Database (England), Brian Tompsett, Dept of Computer Science, copyright 1994, 1995, 1996 !BIRTH:Devereau.ged, Devereau.ged !BIRTH:Mann Database, Mann Database, Ed Mann !BIRTH:large-G675.FTW, large-G675.FTW !BIRTH:large-G675.FTW, large-G675.FTW !DEATH:Emerson2.ged, Emerson2.ged !DEATH:Stredel2.FTW, Stredel2.FTW !DEATH:University of Hull Royal Database (England), University of Hull Royal Database (England), Brian Tompsett, Dept of Computer Science, copyright 1994, 1995, 1996 !DEATH:!Fix This Source-10, Garner, Lorraine Ann Lori, P.O. Box 577, Bayview, ID 83803 !DEATH:Mann Database, Mann Database, Ed Mann !DEATH:large-G675.FTW, large-G675.FTW !DEATH:large-G675.FTW, large-G675.FTW !BURIAL:Emerson2.ged, Emerson2.ged !BURIAL:Verdun.ged, Verdun.ged !BURIAL:Devereau.ged, Devereau.ged
  
  === https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theobald_Walter,_1st_Chief_Butler_of_Ireland ===
  
  Debrett's Peerage, 1968, p.864
  Jump up^ Montague-Smith, Patrick Debrett's peerage, baronetage, knightage and companionage Kingston upon Thames: Kelley's Directories 1968 p. 865
  Jump up^ Flanagan, M. T. "Butler , Theobald (died 1205)" Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, Oxford University Press 2004 accessed 7 Nov 2007
  ^ Jump up to:a b c d Cokayne, George Edward The Complete Peerage: Volume Two Bass to Canning Vicary Gibbs & H. A. Doubleday eds. Microprint reprint edition Stroud:Sutton Publishing 2000 ISBN 0-904387-82-8 pp. 447–448
  
  === He was Lord Weoberley, Baron Alton. ===
  He was Lord Weoberley, Baron Alton.
  
  === !SOURCE: ANCESTRAL ROOTS OF CERTAIN AME ===
  !SOURCE: ANCESTRAL ROOTS OF CERTAIN AMERICAN COLONISTS WHO CAME TO AMERICA BEFORE 1700, SEVENTH EDITION, PG 14 LINE 11-30; PG 72 LINE 70-32; PG 232 LINE 257-33
  
  === !Weis. 11-30, 70-32. Sir Theobald de V ===
  !Weis. 11-30, 70-32. Sir Theobald de Verdon, created Knight 1298, was Master of Parliament 1299-1314. He was Lord of Weoberley, Baron, 1308, of Alton, co. Stafford. 11-30, 70-32. Weis.
  
  === !Weis. 70-31. Theobald de Verdon was a ===
  !Weis. 70-31. Theobald de Verdon was a Member of Parliament 1289/90. and was Lord of Dulek.
  
  === Sources: Antiquities of Shropshire, Vol. ===
  Sources: Antiquities of Shropshire, Vol. 5; Norr; A. Roots, 70. Roots: M.P., 1289/90. Baron, 1308. Lord of Dulek. Norr: Held Weobley from his mother. Antiquities: Theobald de Verdon (I). Born in or before 1248. Died1309.
  
  === SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 S ===
  SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 SO68) P.27, 34, 43, 45; ENGLAND PUBLICATION AF NS, VOL 14, P.195; ENGLAND PUBLICATION 5 VOL 2 P.70, 71, VOL 3 P.244-245, VOL 4 P.425, VOL 8 P.444; ENGLAND PUBLICATION BJ, VOL 8 P.144; SHROPSHIRE PUBLICATION 1, P.34; DERBYSHIRE PUBLICATION A, VOL 31 P.304, WILSHIRE PUBLICATION 9 VOL 4 P.138; LEICESTERSHIRE PUBLICATION 9 P31; MAGNA CHARTA BARONS P.92-94, 242, 441; HIST. PEER NICHOLSON P.1488-1489; ANCESTRAL FILE, LDS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY;
  
  === !Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Cen ===
  !Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists The Descent from the Later Plantagenet Kings of England, Henry III, Edward I, Edward II, and Edward III, of Emigrants from England and Wales to the North American Colonies before 1701 by David Faris First Edition.
  
  === !#21 Complete Peerage-v12pt2-p248fn(j),2 ===
  !#21 Complete Peerage-v12pt2-p248fn(j),249/50*, (FHL 942 D22cok); !KIN> 3rd but lst surv s & h by 1st wife; KIN> bro & h of Sir Nicholas de VERDUN;
  
  === He was second Baron Verdun. He was Just ===
  He was second Baron Verdun. He was Justiciar of Ireland. He was a Knight. He was M. P.

• m. ABT 1275 in of Bisley, Gloucestershire, England

1. Theobald de Verdun, b. 8 SEP 1278 in Alton Castle, Alton, Staffordshire, England     d. 27 JUL 1316 in Alton, Staffordshire, England
2. Rose de Verdun, b. ABT 1277 in Alton, Staffordshire, England     d. 3 FEB 1323 in Somerset, England

1. Title: Thebaud de Verdun (1248-1309), "Find A Grave Index"
   Author: "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVLG-NQWW : 14 April 2023), Thebaud de Verdun, ; Burial, Croxden, East Staffordshire Borough, Staffordshire, England, Croxden Abbey; citing record ID 101332642, Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.
   Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVLG-NQWW;
   Note: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/101332642/thebaud-de-verdun Thebaud de Verdun BIRTH 1248 England DEATH 24 Aug 1309 (aged 60–61) Alton, Staffordshire Moorlands District, Staffordshire, England BURIAL Croxden Abbey Croxden, East Staffordshire Borough, Staffordshire, England MEMORIAL ID 101332642 Son of John de Verdun and Margaret de Lacy. Thebaud was the second husband of Margery de Bohun. She was married to a Robert de W____ but he died before the marriage was consummated. They were married before 06 Nov 1276, and became the parents of seven sons and one daughter. He was summoned to service against the Scots in 1291-1309, was with the King at Norham in 1291 when he settled the claims against the Scottish crown. When he was summoned to Parliament 24 June 1295 to 11 June 1309, he became Lord Verdun.
   
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3. Title: Magna Charta Sureties, 1215
   Author: Frederick Lewis Weis Th.D., editor, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 - The Barons Named in the Magna Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America Durung the Early Colonial Years, Fifth Edition, Third Printing (Balrimore, Maryland: Benealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2006), page 14-15, [Line 13]. Cit. Date: 29 Nov 2020.
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4. Title: Wikipedia, "Alton Castle"
   Author: Wikipedia.org
   Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alton_Castle;
   Note: Alton Castle was founded in stone by Bertram de Verdon and built on a rocky precipice overlooking the River Churnet in the 12th century,[3], however the site had been fortified in wood since Saxon times.
   
5. Title: Book - Magna Charta Sureties
   
6. Title: Book - History of Leicester
   
7. Title: Wikipedia, "Croxden Abbey"
   Author: Wikipedia.org
   Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croxden_Abbey;
   Note: Croxden Abbey, also known as "Abbey of the Vale of St. Mary at Croxden", was a Cistercian abbey at Croxden, Staffordshire, United Kingdom. A daughter house of the abbey in Aunay-sur-Odon, Normandy, the abbey was founded by the de Verdun family in the 12th century. The abbey was dissolved in 1538.
   
8. Title: British History Online
   
9. Title: The Medieval Lands Project, "THEOBALD [I] de Verdun"
   Author: fmg.ac
   Publication: Name: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3T-Z.htm#TheobaldVerdundied1309;
   Note: THEOBALD [I] de Verdun ([1248]-Alton 24 Aug 1309, bur Croxden). The Chronicle of Croxden records the death “XII Kal Nov” 1278 of “dominus Johannes de Verdun validus patronus domus hujus” and the succession of “dominus Theobaldus filius eius”[733]. He was summoned to Parliament in 1295 whereby he is held to have become Lord Verdun. The Chronicle of Croxden records the death “die dominica in festo Bartholomei apostoli apud Alveton” 1309 of “dominus T. de Verdun patronus noster” and his burial “apud Crokesden...III Id Oct”[734]. Inquisitions following a writ dated 28 Aug "3 Edw II" after the death of "Theobald de Verdun alias de Verdoun, de Verdun, the elder” name “Theobald his son aged 28 [...30...24 and more...22 and more...aged 31 at the feast of the Nativity of the Blessed Mary last] is his next heir”, and noting “Byseley” Gloucestershire “held in free marriage of the earl of Hereford”[735]. No document has been identified which confirms that Bisley was the same property as “the tenements” referred to in the 1306 claim (see below) but this appears likely. m [firstly] (before 6 Nov 1276) MARGERY, daughter of ---. Letters were issued for “Margery wife of Theobald de Verdun” nominating two attorneys for her “for a year after Martinmas” (from the context of the calendar suggesting that she was going “beyond seas”), dated 6 Nov 1276[736]. If the calendar summary correctly reflects the original document (not yet consulted), “beyond seas” would probably have meant Ireland considering the Verdun family’s connections. The question arises whether this Margery was the same person as Margery de Bohun, who is named below as Theobald [I]’s possible second wife. The normal reading of the 1306 document summarised below indicates a chronology which excludes Margery being the same person as Theobald’s wife who was named in 1276. While that document is poorly written, confusing and self-contradictory as explained below, there are insufficient indications from two other available sources to suggest that it should be ignored or reinterpreted. Firstly, Theobald [I]’s inquisitions suggest that he held Bisley in Gloucestershire from his Bohun wife but include no information which helps with the chronology of his marriage(s). Secondly, Theobald [II]’s inquisitions did not include Bisley, which suggests that he did not inherit the property (which would have been the case if Margery de Bohun was not his mother), although he could have sold or otherwise disposed of it after inheriting. The issue is not without doubt, but these difficulties need to be highlighted. [m secondly [as her second husband,] MARGERY de Bohun, [widow of ROBERT de W---,] daughter of [HUMPHREY [VII] de Bohun Earl of Hereford & Essex & his wife Mathilde de Fiennes] ([1276/80]-after 1306). There is doubt about the identity of this person. Her parentage and two marriages are indicated by the following document which suggests that Margery married firstly “Robert de W---“ and secondly “Theobald de Verdun”. In connection with a lawsuit in Easter Term 1306, an edited extract states that “Theobald de Verdun” (“Tebaud de Verdone”) vouched to the Earl of Hereford that his father Humphrey (“un Umfrey sun pere”) had given “the tenements [unspecified] demanded to Robert de W. [unidentified] in frank-marriage with Margery his daughter” (“les tenements demaundez a Robert de W. en franc-mariage ove Margerie sa fille”)[737]. This edited extract is difficult to understand, particularly because the parties to the lawsuit, the property in question, and the precise nature of the claim are not specified. Logically, the “Earl of Hereford” should have been the earl then living [Humphrey [VIII] de Bohun], particularly because the extract also includes a reply on the earl’s behalf aiming to indicate that the gift was void by stating that “for fifteen years before this charter was made Humphrey our father had nothing in the tenements”. If that is correct, the earl’s father was Humphrey [VII] de Bohun, who was born in [1249] and died in 1298. In that case, Margery could not have been born before [1276/80] and, assuming that she married Theobald [I] de Verdun as her second husband, could not have been the same person as Theobald’s wife Margery who is named in 1276. The conclusion of the lawsuit appears to have been (according to the edited extract) that the deed was admitted and therefore Theobald and Margery “were seised [of the tenements] on the day of the making thereof and Robert was never seised”. This appears to make little sense if the edited extract correctly reflects the ‘voucher’. Another problem is the identity of “Tebaud de Verdone”. Logic suggests that he was Theobald [I], who was then head of the family. If that is correct, the property subject of the 1306 lawsuit was probably Bisley, Gloucestershire, noted in the inquisitions following his death as “held in free marriage of the earl of Hereford” (see above). However, Bisley was not mentioned in the 1316 inquisitions following the death of Theobald [II] de Verdun, son of Theobald [I]. This omission could support the hypothesis of Theobald [I]’s second marriage, as Theobald [II] would not have inherited the property if Margery de Bohun was not his mother, unless he sold or otherwise disposed of it between 1309 and 1316.] Theobald & his [first] wife had children: a) JOHN de Verdun (-Ireland 13 Jun 1297). The Chronicle of Croxden records the death “Id Jun” 1297 “in Hibernia” of “Johannes de Verdun primogenitus domini Theobaldi”[738]. b) THEOBALD [II] de Verdun (8 Sep [1277/78]-Alton 27 Jul 1316, bur Croxden Abbey).
   
10. Title: Theobald de Verdun, 1st Lord Verdun (1248-1309) Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors
    Author: https://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p376.htm#i11297 index to pedigrees [citations]
    Publication: Name: https://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p376.htm#i11297;
    Note: Sir Theobald de Verdun, 1st Lord Verdun, Constable of Ireland, Baron/Lord of Duleek1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 Last Edited 4 Apr 2020 M, #11297, b. circa 1248, d. 24 August 1309 Father Sir John de Verdun, Constable of Ireland, Keeper of Odiham Castle, Justice itinerant for Shropshire & Staffordshire [2,9,10] b. c 1226, d. c 17 Oct 1274 Mother Margery de Lacy [2,9,10] d. 1256 Sir Theobald de Verdun, 1st Lord Verdun, Constable of Ireland, Baron/Lord of Duleek was born circa 1248 at of Weobley & Ewyas, Herefordshire, England; Age 23 in 1271; age 26 in 1274. [2,5,8] He married Margery de Bohun, daughter of Sir Humphrey VI de Bohun and Eleanor de Brewes, before 6 November 1276; They had 7 sons (John; Sir Thebaud, 2nd Lord Verdun; Miles; Bertram; Nicholas; Walter; & William) and 1 daughter (Rose). [11,2,3,4,5,6,7,8] Sir Theobald de Verdun, 1st Lord Verdun, Constable of Ireland, Baron/Lord of Duleek died on 24 August 1309 at Alton, Staffordshire, England; Buried at Croxton Abbey, Staffordshire. [2,5,8] Family: Margery de Bohun b. c 1256, d. bt 1280 - 1304 Children: Miles de Verdon Sir Nicholas de Verdun John de Verdun d. 13 Jun 1297 Sir Theobald de Verdun, Lord Weoberley, Baron Alton, 2nd Lord Verdun, Constable & Justiciar of Ireland+ [12,2,4,5,7,8] b. 8 Sep 1278, d. 27 Jul 1316 Citations: 1. [S3033] Unknown author, The Complete Peerage, by Cokayne, Vol. XII/2, p. 249-250; Magna Charta Sureties, 1215, by F. L. Weis, 4th Ed., p. 15. 2. [S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 734-735. 3. [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 236. 4. [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 359-360. 5. [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. IV, p. 250-251. 6. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. I, p. 417. 7. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. II, p. 19-20. 8. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. V, p. 242-243. 9. [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. IV, p. 249-250. 10. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. V, p. 241-242. 11. [S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 120. 12. [S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 166.
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