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John le Strange III
- Preferred Name: John le Strange III[1] [2] [3] [4] [5]
- Alternate Name: John le Strange
- Gender: M
- Occupation: Constable of Montgomery1235 in Montgomeryshire, Wales at LATI: N2.5628 LONG: E3.1493
- LdsBaptism: 22 OCT 1943 with note: GEDCOM data
- Occupation: Justice of Chester1240
- FSID: LZK4-XBC
- Birth: ABT 1194 in Shropshire, England at LATI: N2.6431 LONG: E2.7136
- Death: BEF 12 MAR 1269 in Shropshire, England at LATI: N2.6431 LONG: E2.7136
- LdsEndowment: 23 FEB 1945 with note: GEDCOM data
- Occupation: Sheriff of Salopshire and StaffordBET 1236 AND 1245 in Staffordshire, England at LATI: N2.7795 LONG: E1.9171
- MilitaryService: Served in Poitou, France1214 with note: Le Strange Records
- LdsSealingToParents: 1 MAR 1960 with note: GEDCOM data
- http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Lord Of Knockyn
- Notes:
=== Life Sketch ===
John Lestrange was born c. 1194; died 1269 of Knockin in Shropshire, England, administrator and soldier, was an Anglo-Norman Marcher Lord defending England along its border with Wales.
Origins
Not of Norman blood, his family may have come from Anjou. They first appear in Norfolk where Roald or Rivallon Lestrange (died before 1158) was a tenant in Norfolk of Alan fitz Flaald and married the heiress of Hunstanton.
Life
A son of John II Lestrange (died January 1223), his family had large landholdings in Shropshire on the Welsh border and owned Knockin Castle. In 1214 John III took part in king John's failed campaign in Poitou. Like his father, he served as Sheriff of Shropshire and Sherriff of Staffordshire and fought the Welsh in the Welsh Marches. In 1231 Henry III of England granted him the fiefdom of Wrockwardine. Between 1233 and 1240 he was in turn constable of the royal castles at Montgomery, Shrewsbury, Bridgnorth and Chester. In January 1245 he served as the king's negotiator with lord Dafydd ap Llywelyn and he backed the king in the Second Barons' War.
Career
John III was the son of John II and served in 1214 in King John's failed campaign in Poitou, taking part in the Battle of Roche-au-Moine.
In 1231 he was granted by King Henry III the fiefdom of Wrockwardine, and between 1233 and 1240 was in turn constable of the royal castles at Montgomery, Shrewsbury, Bridgnorth and Chester.
In 1245 he served as the king's negotiator in the military campaign against Dafydd ap Llywelyn, Prince of Gwynedd. During the rebellion of Simon de Montfort in 1264, he backed the king in the Second Barons' War. After serving like his father as Sheriff of both Shropshire and Staffordshire, he died in 1269.
Marriage and issue
He married Lucy, daughter of Robert de Tregoz. They had four sons and two daughters:
1.) John IV, married Joan de Somery and died before 28 December 1275.
2.) Hamo (died 1273), who married, 21 Mar 1272, Isabella of Ibelin, Lady of Beirut, widow of Hugh II, King of Cyprus and Regent of Jerusalem. May have accompanied Edward, son of Henry III, King of England, on his crusade to Palestine in 1271. According to the Complete Peerage, Hamo was "prominent in the king's service until his death, probably in the Holy Land, early in 1274/5". On his deathbed, he placed his wife and the fief of Beirut under the protection of the Mameluk Sultan Baibars.
3.) Roger (died 1311), who was summoned to Parliament as a baron in 1295 but left no heir. Witnessed the charter under which Hawise kept the manor of Stretton for Hamo.
4.) Robert, died 12 October 1276. Witnessed the charter under which Hawises kept the manor of Stretton for Hamo. Married Eleanor de Blancminster.
5.) Hawise, who married Gruffydd ap Gwenwynwyn.
6.) Catherine, who married Robert Corbet. Their daughter Joan married Hawise's son, Owen de la Pole.
BIO
BIO: from http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3L-O.htm#EblesLestrangedied1324A as of 6/18/2016
JOHN [III] le Strange (-before 26 Mar 1269). Henry III King of England ordered "…Jo
=== John III Lestrange; old enough to attend ===
John III Lestrange; old enough to attend on King John in 1213 and to undertake military service against the French 1214; granted by Henry III the manor of Wrockwardine, Salop 25 May 1231; played a part in negotiations between Henry III and Prince Llywelyn The Great 1232; Constable of Montgomery Castle 1235 and Bridgnorth, Chester and Shrewsbury Castles 1233-40; Sheriff of Salop and Staffs 1236-48 and Cheshire 1241-2, Justice of Chester 1240 or 41; supported Henry III against Simon de Montfort (unlike? his son); married? Lucy, daughter of Robert Tregoz, and died by 26 March 1269. [Burke's Peerage]
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John le Strange, who was a person of great note in his time. In 16th of King John, his father being then living, he was in the Wars of Poitou in France. In 15th of Henry III, 1231, he obtained a grant of the inheritance of Wockwardine for the yearly rent of œ8, to be paid to the King and his heirs and successors. In 21st of Henry III, 1237, he was appointed Sheriff of Salop and Stafford and constituted Governor of the Castles of Salop and Brugges. He was afterwards one of the Baron's Marchers and had command to reside in the Marshes in order to resist incursions by the Welsh. In the contest between Henry III and the Barons he adhered with great fidelity to the King and obtained for his loyalty a grant of the lands of Walter de Muscegros, which had been forfeited in that rebellion.
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JOHN LESTRANGE III, son and heir. In 1213 he attended upon the King to pay a debt on behalf of his father, and in 1214 he was serving in Poitou. In 1219 he was conducting an enquiry into forest matters at Shrewsbury. In 1225 he was directed to assist in conducting to Gloucester the fifteenth collected in Staffs and Salop. On 25 May 1231 the King granted to him and his heirs the manor of Wrockwardine. In 1232, and frequently thereafter, he was appointed to see that the truce with Llewelin was observed on both sides. In 1235 he was Constable of Montgomery. On 24 October 1236 he was appointed Sheriff of Salop and Staffs. Late in 1240 or early in 1241 he was appointed Justice of Chester. In 1248 he was about to go on pilgrimage to Pontigny. In 1249 he had a grant to himself and his heirs of a market and fair at Knockin. In March 1257/8 and again in August 1260 he was summoned to Chester, in October 1261 to London, and in January 1262/3 to Hereford and in May to Worcester, in connection with the disturbances in Wales. He is said to have married Lucy, daughter of Robert TREGOZ. He died before 26 March 1269. [Complete Peerage XII/1:350-1, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
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John le Strange (d 1269), lord marcher, third in descent from Roland le Strange (who occurs as a witness in 1112), held extensive estates in Shropshire and Norfolk, including Knokyn in the former, and Hunstanton in the latter county. He served in 1214 under King John in Poitou, and between 1233 and 1240 was successively appointed by Henry III constable of the castle of Montgomery, Shrewsbury, Bridgnorth, and Chester. He spent a long life in defending the Welsh border as a lord marcher, and during the rebellion of Simon de Montfort stood fast to the crown. On of his daughters, Hawise, married Griffin, prince of Powys; his younger son Hamon, accompanied Prince Edward on the crusade of 1270, and in 1272 married at Cyprus Isabell d'Ibelin, widow of Hugh II king of Cyprus. Another son, Robert, was ancestor of the Lords Strange of Blackmere. John le Strange died in 1269, and was succeeded by his son John (d 1275), who by his marriage with Joan de Someri, co-heiress of Hugh de Albini, earl of Arundel, added much to the influence and wealth of his family. His grandson, John, sixth baron of Knokyn (d 1311), gave in 1310 his manor of Hunstanton to his younger brother, Hamon, from which the Norfolk le Stranges come in direct descent. [Dictionary of National Biography XI:996]
=== https://www.tudorplace.com.ar/STRANGE.htm#John%20Le%20STRANGE3 ===
https://www.tudorplace.com.ar/STRANGE.htm#John%20Le%20STRANGE3
=== https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/88111477/maud-le_strange ===
Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 01 September 2018), memorial page for Maud de Beauchamp le Strange (1229–Apr 1273), Find A Grave Memorial no. 88111477, citing Black Friars Pontefract, Pontefract, Metropolitan Borough of Wakefield, West Yorkshire, England ; Maintained by Mad (contributor 47329061) .
=== CP 12 (1) p. 350 John Lestrange III son ===
CP 12 (1) p. 350 John Lestrange III son and heir. In 1213 he attended upon the King to pay a debt on behalf of his father. In 1235 he was Constable of Montgomery and on 24 Oct 1236 was app. sheriff of Salop and Staffs. In 1240 or 1241 he was app. Justice of Chester. He is said to have married Lucy dau of Robert Tregoz. He died before 26 Mar. 1269.
=== "Le Strange Records" by Hamon Le Strange ===
"Le Strange Records" by Hamon Le Strange, Longmans 1916, gave names and also that John Le Strange III married Lucia d. of Robert de Tregoz who was still alive circa 1294. John "served in Poitou, 1214; succeeded 1233-4; constable of Montgomery, 1235; Sheriff of Salop and Stafford, 1236-45; Justice of Chester 1240; ob. 1269"
=== H Le Strange: Le Strange Records Ped VI ===
H Le Strange: Le Strange Records Ped VI
=== This Individual Has The Following Other ===
This Individual Has The Following Other Parents In The Ancestral FILE:
John Le/Strange/ (Afn:83tx-0w) And Amice /.../ (Afn:8wkg-Cp)
John Le /Strange/ (Afn:83tx-0w) And Amicia // (Afn:96vg-9v)
=== Name Prefix: Sir. ===
Name Prefix: Sir.
Name Suffix: Baron
REFN: HWS6815
Ancestral File Number: 8504-QX
OBJE: C:\LEGACY\PICTURES\C_baron1.GIF
OBJE: C:\LEGACY\PICTURES\strang.jpg
=== !The Complete Peerage Vol V p. 497 ===
!The Complete Peerage Vol V p. 497
Preferred Parents:
Father: John le Strange II, b. ABT 1160 in Cheswardine, Shropshire, England d. ABT 20 JAN 1234 in Knockin in Oswestry, Shropshire, England
Mother: Amicia, b. ABT 1172 in Cheswardine, Shropshire, England d. ABT 1235 in Knockin in Oswestry, Shropshire, England
Family 1: Lucy Tregoz, b. ABT 1202 in England d. in Shropshire, England
- m. ABT 1225 in Shropshire, England
- Hawise le Strange, b. 1234 in Cheswardine, Shropshire, England d. 1310 in Montgomeryshire, Wales
- Catherine le Strange, b. 1237 in Cheswardine, Shropshire, England d. 1261 in Shropshire, England
- John le Strange IV, b. ABT 1233 in Shropshire, England d. ABT 26 FEB 1276 in Shropshire, England
- Katherine Elizabeth le Strange, b. 1231 in Knockin, Shropshire, England d. 1308 in Moreton Corbet, Shropshire, England
- Robert le Strange IV, b. ABT 1232 in Hunstanton, Norfolk, England d. AUG 1276 in Litcham, Norfolk, England
- Margaret le Strange, b. ABT 1230 in Knockin in Oswestry, Shropshire, England, United Kingdom d. ABT 1310
Sources:
- Title: ''Lestrange, John (c1194–1269)'' by J. F. A. Mason in Oxford Dictionary of National Biography
Publication: Name: https://doi.org/10.1093/ref:odnb/16510;
- Title: John le Strange & Amicia in Family Group Records Collection, Archives Section, 1942-1969; https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L97M-Z3DL?cc=2060211&wc=WWF8-FTZ%3A352087501%2C352802301
Author: "Family Group Records Collection, Archives Section, 1942-1969," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L97M-Z3DL?cc=2060211&wc=WWF8-FTZ%3A352087501%2C352802301 : 20 May 2014), L > Leslie, Samuel (1836) - Leth, Soren Sorensen (1728) > image 1066 of 1480; The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, compiler, Family History Library, Salt Lake City, Utah.
Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L97M-Z3DL;
Note: John le Strange married Amicia and had children according to research before 1960
Page: Names, dates, locations, and relationships match research
- Title: John III Strange in Our royal, titled, noble and commoner ancestors
Author: Citations [S1776] Unknown author, The Complete Peerage, by Cokayne, Vol. V, p. 496; Some Early English Pedigrees, by Vernon M. Norr, p. 113. [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 199. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. II, p. 660-661. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 178-179. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. V, p. 60-61. [S11568] The Complete Peerage, by Cokayne, Vol. XII/1, p. 346. [S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 529. [S11569] Europaische Stammtafeln, by Wilhelm Karl, Prinz zu Isenburg, Vol. III, Tafels 564 & 631. [S11597] Ancestry.com, Information submitted by brentwr.
Publication: Name: https://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p224.htm#i6721;
Note: Sir John III Strange, Lord Strange of Knockyn, Constable of Montgormery Castle, Sheriff of Shropshire & Staffordshire, Justiciar of Chester [1,2,3,4,5]
Last Edited 4 Apr 2020
M, #6721, b. before 1200, d. 1269
Father John II le Strange d. c 1233
Mother Amice
Sir John III Strange, Lord Strange of Knockyn, Constable of Montgormery Castle, Sheriff of Shropshire & Staffordshire, Justiciar of Chester Justice of Chester, Sheriff of Salop and Staffordshire, Constable of Montgomery. He married Lucy Tregoz, daughter of Sir Robert I de Tregoz, Sheriff of Wiltshire, Bailiff of Cotentin, Keeper of Salisbury & Clarendon Castles, Warden of Gavray, Neaufle, & Similly Castles and Sibyl de Ewyas. [2,4,5] Sir John III Strange, Lord Strange of Knockyn, Constable of Montgormery Castle, Sheriff of Shropshire & Staffordshire, Justiciar of Chester was born before 1200 at of Ness and Cheswardine, Salop, England. He died in 1269 at Knockin, Warwickshire, England.
Family: Lucy Tregoz b. c 1202, d. a 1294
Children
Katherine le Strange+
Sir Roger le Strange, Sheriff of Yorkshire [6,7,2,4] d. 31 Jul 1311
Robert le Strange, Lord Wrockwardine+ d. 12 Oct 1276
Hawise le Strange+3 d. 1310
John IV le Strange, Lord Strange of Knockyn, Constable of Montgomery Castle+5 b. c 1226, d. c 20 Nov 1275
Hamo le Strange8 b. c 1232, d. 1273
Sioned (Sydney) Strange+9 b. c 1237
Citations
- Title: John Le Strange - Wikipedia
Author: Mason, J. F. A. (May 2005), "Lestrange [Le Strange], John (c. 1194–1269)", Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, retrieved 20 January 2018 John Burke: A general and heraldic dictionary of the peerages of England, Ireland, and Scotland, extinct, dormant, and in abeyance. England . Oxford, 1831. S. 498
Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lestrange;
Note: John III Lestrange (died 1269), of Knockin in Shropshire, landowner, administrator and soldier, was a marcher lord defending England along its border with Wales.[1]
He married Lucy, daughter of Robert Tregoz. They had four sons and two daughters:
John IV (died 1276), who was father of
John V, deemed to be 1st Baron Strange.[1]
Hamo (died 1273), who married Isabella of Ibelin, Lady of Beirut, widow of Hugh II, King of Cyprus and Regent of Jerusalem,[1]
Roger (died 1311), who was summoned to Parliament as a baron in 1295 but left no heir.[1]
Robert, who was father of
Fulk (died 1324), Seneschal of Aquitaine in 1322 who became 1st Baron Strange of Blackmere.[1]
Hawise, who married Gruffydd ap Gwenwynwyn.[1]
Page: matches
- Title: Rober le Strange (1232-1276), Le Strange Records: A Chroncile of the Early le Stranges of Norfolk and the Marches of Wales
Author: Le Strange Records: A Chroncile of the Early le Stranges of Norfolk and the Marches of Wales, Hamon le Strange, M.A., F.S.A., Longmans, Green and Co., London, 1916
Publication: Name: https://archive.org/details/lestrangerecords00lestuoft/page/346/mode/2up?view=theater&q=Stanley;
Note: page 172 " The wife of Robert le Strange was Alianora, or Eleanor, second daughter and co-heiress of William de Whitchurch [de Albo Monasterio], from whom he ultimately acquired and transmitted to his descendants a considerable inheritance ; William, who died before June n, 1260, left four daughters ; the eldest, Berta, was an imbecile, and died in 1281"
page 206 "This Eleanor (the daughter and co-heir of William de Blancminster, or Whit- church) was relict of Robert le Strange, Lord in her right of Blackmere, who died in 1276.
page 386 Index Strange, Robert le (1266-1276), 98, 153, 170-175, 288, 289, 360
Page: Important, definitive genealogical resource for the early Le Strange Family.
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