Saher de Quincy 1st Earl of Winchester

• Preferred Name: Saher de Quincy 1st Earl of Winchester^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19]}
  
• Alternate Name: Saher Fitz Robert de Quincy
  
• Alternate Name: Saer De Quincy
  
• Gender: M
  
• Burial: AFT 3 NOV 1219 in Acre, Kingdom of Jerusalem at LATI: N9 LONG: E70
  
• LdsSealingToParents: 19 FEB 1992 with note: GEDCOM data
  
• MilitaryService: CrusaderBET 1218 AND 1219 in Damietta, Egypt, Holy Roman Emp. at LATI: N1.4165 LONG: E1.8133
  
• Fact: 1215 with note: Description: One of the 25 sureties of the Magna Carta
  
• http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Constable of Fotheringhay Castle, Keeper of Canford & Hedingham Castles
  
• Title+(Nobility): BET 1206 AND 1207 with note: Description: 1st Earl of Winchester Wikipedia "The estate was split in half, and after the final division was ratified in 1207, de Quincy was made Earl of Winchester."
  
• Birth: 1155 in Buckley, Lancashire, England at LATI: N3.6167 LONG: E2.15
  
• Death: 3 NOV 1219 in Damietta, Egypt killed 5th Crusade at LATI: N1.4165 LONG: E1.8133 with note: GEDCOM data
  
• FSID: LB2S-YQF
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester (c. 1155 – 3 November 1219) was one of the leaders of the baronial rebellion against John, King of England, and a major figure in both the kingdoms of Scotland and England in the decades around the turn of the twelfth and thirteenth centuries.
  Although he was an Anglo-Norman, Saer de Quincy's father, Robert de Quincy, had married and held important lordships in the Scottish kingdom of his cousin King William the Lion. His mother, Arabella, was the heiress of the lordship of Leuchars and through her Robert became lord over lands in Fife, Perth and Lothian (see below).
  Saer's own rise to prominence in England came partly through his marriage to Margaret, the younger sister of Robert de Beaumont, Earl of Leicester. Earl Robert died in 1204, and left Margaret as co-heiress to the vast earldom along with her elder sister. The estate was split in half, and after the final division was ratified in 1207, de Quincy was made Earl of Winchester.
  ...
  Saer de Quincy, the son of Robert de Quincy and Orabilis of Leuchars, was raised largely in Scotland. His absence from English records for the first decades of his life has led some modern historians and genealogists to confuse him with his uncle, Saer II, who took part in the rebellion of Henry the Young King in 1173, when the future Earl of Winchester can have been no more than a toddler. Saer II's line ended without direct heirs, and his nephew and namesake would eventually inherit his estate, uniting his primary Scottish holdings with the family's Northamptonshire patrimony, and possibly some lands in France.
  Issue
  Sometime between 1188 and 1193 de Quincy married Margaret, youngest daughter of Robert de Beaumont, 3rd Earl of Leicester. By his wife Margaret de Beaumont, Earl Saer had:
  1. Lora, who married Sir William de Valognes, Chamberlain of Scotland.
  2. Arabella, who married Sir Richard Harcourt.
  3. Robert (died 1217); before 1206 he married Hawise of Chester, 1st Countess of Lincoln, sister and co-heiress of Randolph de Blondeville, 4th Earl of Chester.
  4. Roger, who succeeded his father as earl of Winchester (though he did not take formal possession of the earldom until after his mother's death).
  5. Robert de Quincy (second son of that name; died 1257), who married Elen, daughter of the Welsh prince Llywelyn the Great.
  6. Hawise, who married Hugh de Vere, 4th Earl of Oxford.
  7. Mary, who married Hugh_le_Despenser_(sheriff).
  [8. John. See FMG reference below]
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saer_de_Quincy,_1st_Earl_of_Winchester
  
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  [8.] JOHN . He is named in the Brackley charters[119]. His position in the order of birth of his siblings is unknown, but he may have been older than his brother Robert (the younger) if the speculation about the latter's date of birth (see above) is correct.
  
  https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL2.htm#SaherQuincydied1156
  
  Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester
  From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  
  Arms of De Quincy: Gules, seven mascles or 3,3,1, adopted at the start of the age of heraldry, circa 1200-1215.
  Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester (c. 1170 –
  
  THE BULKELEY GENEOLOGY
  First Earl of Winchester, and a surety of Magna Charta; m. between 1168-1173 to Margaret de Beaumount (d. 1236), daughter of the third Earl of Leicester, and descended from the Capetain kings of Franc
  
  BIO
  BIO: from http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL2.htm#SaherQuincydied1219 as of 4/18/2016
  
  SAHER [IV] de Quincy, son of ROBERT de Quincy & his first wife Orabilis of Mar ([1165
  
  === rewrote the Magna Charta from the Chart ===
  Rewrote the Magna Charta from the Charter of King Henry l and Saxon code. He was hated by King John for a opposing king's confession to the Pope's legate. Descendant of Alfred the Great
  
  === He was a surety for the Magna Carta of K ===
  He was a surety for the Magna Carta of King John.
  
  === Saire was probably a corruption from th ===
  Saire was probably a corruption from the Hebrew Zair or the Saxon Segher. Ameicans of Royal Descent pg. 227
  
  === Dead on way to the Holy Lands. [StantonW ===
  Dead on way to the Holy Lands. [StantonWashington.FTW] GIVN Saier SURN de Quincey _PRIMARY Y OCCU 2nd Baron de Quincey, ... SOUR HAWKINS.GED says 1155, Buckley, Northmapton, Eng; BOOTH.TAF, 35738says 1155(50);members.aol.com/sargen3 says ABT 1150,Winchester, Hampshire,England; GWALTNEY.ANC (Compuserve) 1984546 says ABT 1155 SOUR Americans of Royal Descent, Charles H. Browning, p. 111, 147, 163; HAWKINS.GED says 13 Nov 1219; members.aol.com/sargen3; BOOTH.TAF (Compuserve), 35738; gendex.com/users/daver/rigney/D0001 Baron de Quincey, of Bushby, created Earl of Winchester, one of thesureties for King John's Magna Charta; Fought with the French againt King John andthen Henry III, lands were returned when peace treaty was forged between Louisand Henry; created, 1207, Earl of Winchester - Americans of Royal Descent,Charles H. Browning, p. 147; Sairer, Baron de Quincey of Bushby, p. 111; Crusader- QUINCY.TAF (Compuserve) DATE 20 OCT 1999 TIME 12:42:03
  
  === !Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists Who ===
  !Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists Who Came to New England Sixth Edition by Frederick Lewis Weis Genealogical Publishing Co. Baltimore 1988 !The Oxford Illistrated History of the British Monarchy by Cannon and Griffith.
  
  === Magna Carta Surety. ===
  Magna Carta Surety.
  
  === ROBERT DE QUINCY & ORABELLA DIVORCED; EM ===
  ROBERT DE QUINCY & ORABELLA DIVORCED; EMPR. CHARLEMAGNE'S DESC.(2)P.222; CREATED EARL OF WESTCHESTER 1207; SURETY FOR MAGNA CARTA 1215.
  
  === made earl by King John 1207, Magna Carta ===
  made earl by King John 1207, Magna Carta Surety, 1215, Crusader in 1219.
  
  === Lord of Buckley and Daventry. He "first ===
  Lord of Buckley and Daventry. He "first appears in the Englishrecords at the time of the Northampton Survey, circa 1124-1129, asholding two and a half hides and a great virgate of land in Buckby ofAunsel de Chokes...In or about 1155 King Henry II gave land in Buckbyto Saher for the service of one knight; he was pardoned his scutage inrespect of that manor from 1158-1164, and for Eynesbury, inHuntingdonshire, during 1161-63" (NEHGR 112:63). The origin of theQuincy name was either in Quince, southwestern Normandy or Cuinchynear Bethune in the Pas de Calais.
  
  === ! The Earl of Winchester and one of the ===
  ! The Earl of Winchester and one of the Barons/Knights In Arms who procured the Magna Charta from King John,was also one ofthe twenty five men appointed as Sureties for the Observance of the Magna Charta on June 15-19,1215.
  
  === !Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists Who ===
  !Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists Who Came to New England Sixth Edition by Frederick Lewis Weis Genealogical Publishing Co. Baltimore 1988 !The Oxford Illustrated History of the British Monarchy by Cannon and Griffith.
  
  === Obituary from Find a Grave ===
  Earl of Winchester, of Long Buckby, Northamptonshire and Leuchard and Travernent, Scotland. In right of his wife, of Brckley, Northamptonshire.
  
  Son and heir to Sir Robert de Quincy, knight in the service of King William the Lion and Orabillia of Leuchars, heiress of the lordship of Leuchars in Fife. He was born about 1155 and raised in Scotland.
  
  Saher married Margaret de Beaumont, the daughter of Sir Robert de Beaumont and Petronilla Grandmesnil and the younger sister of Robert de Beaumont, 4th Earl of Leicester and the Quincy's Fife ally and neighbor, Roger de Beaumont, Bishop of St Andrews. They were married before 1173 and had the following children:
  Lorette m William de Valognes
  Arabella m Sir Robert Harcourt
  Robert de Quincy m Hawise of Chester, Countess of Lincoln
  Roger de Quincy m Helen de Galloway
  Robert de Quincy m Helen Llywelyn, dtr of Llywelyn the Great
  Hawise de Quincy m Hugh de Vere
  
  When Robert died in 1204, he made Margaret a co-heiress of the vast earldom along with her elder sister, Amicia, who married Simon de Montfort. When the inheritance was settled in 1207, Saher became the Earl of Winchester.
  
  Saher took part in the 1173 rebellion of young king Henry against his father, King Henry II, and became the castellan (castle captain or governor) of Nonancourt on the Aure in 1180. Saher was with King Richard at Roche d'Orval in August 1198, and was with William the Lion, King of Scotland when he paid homage to King John in 1200. Saher and Sir Robert FitzWalter were joint castellans of Vaudreuil Castle in France, 1203, but surrendered it to the French before they were attacked. Saher and Robert were imprisoned by the French king Phillip Augustus at Compiegne until they were freed by a £5000 ransom. Saher witnessed King John's surrender of his crown to the Pope 1213, took the cross 04 March 1215, and was one of the twenty five barons elected to guarantee the provisions of the Magna Carta.
  
  Saher was sent with Sir Robert FitzWalter to offer the English crown to Prince Louis of France, after which they returned with fourty-two ships full of French knights and followers. After Henry III stepped down, Saher remained loyal to Louis. Mountsorrell Castle was beseiged by the King Henry III's royal army, Saher and FitzWalter were defeated despite Louis sending reinforcements, taken prisoner at Lincoln 20 May 1217, but restored to his lands in October, leaving Saher to fulfill his crusader's vow.
  
  In 1219, Saher left to join the Fifth Crusade which was actively attacking Damietta. While in the Holy Land, he fell sick and died. He was buried in Acre, the capital of the Kingdom of Jerusalem, and his heart was brought back and interred at Garendon Abbey near Loughborough, a house endowed by his wife's family.
  
  === He obtained large grants from King John, ===
  He obtained large grants from King John, however, when war broke out he was on the side of freedom and was chosen as one of the 25 guarantors of the Magna Carta. He was involved in the defeat at Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England, on 20 May 1217, and was taken prisoner for a period of time. He accompanied the Earls of Chester and Arundel to the Holy Land where he assisted at the siege of Damietta, Egypt in 1219.
  
  From the collection of Jerry Dean Ferren.
  
  === SAIRE de QUINCEY, the Surety, born befor ===
  SAIRE de QUINCEY, the Surety, born before 1154, was a Baron present at Lincoln when William the Lion of Scotland did homage to the English monarch in October 1200. He obtained large grants and immunities from King John and was created Earl of Winchester, 2 March 1207, having been governor in 1203 of the Castle of Ruil in Normandy. He is created with rewriting Magna Charta from the Charter of King Henry I and the Saxon Code. Because he had opposed the King's concession to the Pope's legate, he was bitterly hated by King John. One of the Barons to whom the City and Tower of London were resigned, Saire de Quincey was excommunicated with the other Barons the following year. He was sent, with Robert FitzWalter, the Surety, by the other Barons, to invite the Dauphin of France to assume the Crown of England and, even after the death of King John, he kept a strong garrison in Montsorell Castle in behalf of Prince Louis. When the Barons, being greatly outnumbered, were defeated by the troops of King Henry III, Saire de Quincey, with many others, was made prisoner and his estates forfeited. In the following October his immense estates were restored upon his submission. In 1218 the Earl of Winchester went with the Earls of Chester and Arundel to the Holy Land, assisted at the siege of Damietta in 1219, and died 3 November in the same year, on the way to Jerusalem. His wife was Margaret Beaumont, whom he married before 1173. At the beginning of John's reign, Saire de Quincey was not a Baron, much less a great one. In the civil war the King had had the advantage over the rebels. Few of the Barons had had much actual military experience. The Barons' contribution to the war was the scutage they paid, a war fund substituted for the contingent of knights owed to the King's service. The money was collected from vassals, and mercenary knights were paid from it. Many of the mercenaries were regulars who served the same Baron from campaign to campaign, but those Barons who are known to have had extensive military experience were only Saire de Quincey, Robert FitzWalter, William de Mowbray, William d'Albini, Roger de Cressi and Robert de Roos. Saire de Quincey is associated with two stalwart Castles in the South of England: Colchester and Winchester, both with the Latin castrum root, signifying that they were once the site of Roman forts. Colchester Castle could not have been built before the early 12th Century, though Roman materials may have been re-used in its construction. The keep, the only portion now surviving, is in complete harmony with other Norman castles. Colchester must have been a formidable stronghold, and a challenge to Saire de Quincey. The King's men held the Castle against Quincey, the first Earl to attack Colchester. John had given the fortress into the charge of a Fleming whom he thought he could trust. But Quincey took the Castle, and later found holding it more difficult. The fighting was of such a nature that John himself came to Colchester to see just how stubborn Saire de Quincey was. The Earl held the Castle for two months, but lack of food forced him to give up and take flight to France. Colchester was the largest Norman keep in England. It measures one hundred fifty-two by one hundred seventeen feet, enclosing nearly twice the area of the Tower of London. Its walls vary between eleven and thirty feet in thickness. It was erected either by William the Conqueror or by William II. It is of the quadrangular variety, turreted at the corners. In it and elsewhere herringbone masonry has been noted. Winchester Castle was first erected by William the Conqueror. Later alterations and extra height were added by Henry III, about the year 1138. The great Hall has Purbeck columns of 13th Century architecture, supporting a restored roof and containing handsome windows of the same approximate period. Only the keep remains. "How commonplace this saying, 'Only the keep still stands,' . . . thanks to the old builders who made the keep strong and high to withstand time, and so difficult to tear down that it escaped the looters of the ages." Perhaps Murphy was thinking of Colchester or Winchester when he thus wrote, for this was the fate of the Quincey strongholds. SOURCE: National Society Magna Charta Dames and Barons Magna Charta Baron Page for Saire De Quincey Earl of Winchester
  
  === MAGNA CARTA BARON ROBERT DE QUINCY & ORA ===
  MAGNA CARTA BARON ROBERT DE QUINCY & ORABELLA DIVORCED; EMP. CHARLEMAGNE'S DESC (2) P. 222
  
  === Saier de Quincy was created Earl of Win ===
  Saier de Quincy was created Earl of Winchester by King Joh n about the year 1210. This nobleman was one of the lord s present at Lincoln when William, King of Scotland, did ho mage to the English monarch, and he subsequently obtained l arge grants and immunities from King John; when, however, t he baronial war broke out, his lordship's pennant waved o n the side of freedom and he became so eminent amongst thos e sturdy chiefs that he was chosen one of the celebrated tw enty-five barons appointed to enforce the observance of Mag na Carta. Adhering to the same party after the accession o f Henry III, the Earl of Winchester had a principal comman d at the battle of Lincoln and, there being defeated, was t aken prisoner by the royalists. But submitting in the follo wing October, he had restitution of all his lands and proce eded soon after, in company with the Earls of Chester and A rundel and others of the nobility, to the Holy Land where h e assisted at the siege of Damietta, anno 1219, and d. th e same year in his progress towards Jerusalem. His lordshi p m. Margaret, younger sister and co-heir of Robert Fitz-Pa rnell, Earl of Leicester, by which alliance he acquired a v ery considerable inheritance, and had issue, Robert, Roger , and Robert. At the decease of the earl, his 2nd son, Rog er de Quincy, had livery of his father's estates. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinc t Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, England, 1883, p . 447, Quincy, Earls of Winchester] This file is as error-f ree as my sources. IF you should discover an error, I woul d appreciate it if you would bring it to my attention and p rovide me with the correct information and source for tha t information. Many thanks.
  
  === Surety of the Magna Charta. 1st Earl of ===
  Surety of the Magna Charta. 1st Earl of Winchester.
  Major problem here with Saher de Quincy. Adams and Weis (1964) on
  line 107 list a son, Robert de Quincy and again on line 114 list a son,
  Robert de Quincy. However, these two Robert de Quincys married
  different ladies!!!??? In addition, line 114 lists Hawise de Quincy as
  the daughter of Robert, while we know that Saher also had a daughter
  named Hawise. Are there two Hawise's??? Are there two Robert's???
  Saher died on the way to the Holy Land.
  
  === Misc: In the reign of King Henry II, S ===
  Misc: In the reign of King Henry II, Saier de Quincy ha d a grant from the crown of the mano r of Bushby, co. North ampton, formerly the property of Anselme de Conchis. He m . Maud de St . Liz, and had two sons, Robert and Saier de Q uincy. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Fo rfeited, an d Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p . 447, Quincy, Earls o f Winchester][TIMS FILE.FTW] Cf an article in Medievalia et Hunaistica, vol xi (1957), b y Sidney Painter of John Hopkins U niversity, USA titled "T he House of Quency, 1136-1264". !DEATH:TIMS FILE.FTW _PAREN: Y, TIMS FILE.FTW _PAREN: Y !GENERAL:Ancestral Roots Of Sixty Colonists Who Came To Ne w England Between 1623 And 1650 _PAREN: Y, Ancestral Roots Of Sixty Colonists Who Came To N ew England Between 1623 And 1650 _PAREN: Y, Weis, Frederick Lewis, Genealogical Publishing C o. Inc., 1992 !GENERAL:Ancestral File (Edna Anderson) _PAREN: Y, Ancestral File (Edna Anderson) _PAREN: Y !GENERAL:GEDCOM file imported on 23 Mar 2003., GEDCOM fil e imported on 23 Mar 2003.
  
  === Interred: Acre, Palestine. Created Ear ===
  Interred: Acre, Palestine. Created Earl of Winchester 1207 . 20 May 1217, Captured & defeated by Wm. Marshall at sieg e of Lincoln, "the Fair of Lincoln". Of the rebellious baro ns who acclaimed Robert FitzWalter & Louis Capet. An extract from Thomas Stobie's GEDCOM created 11 June 200 2. Thomas can be contacted at stobie@sprynet.com. Earl of Winchester, A Surety for THE MAGNA CHARTA, Justicia r,Crusader. Died 11/3/1219, a Crusader on the way to the Holy Land 1st Earl of Winchester; one of the "Magna Charta barons". 1st Earl of Winchester; one of the "Magna Charta barons". GIVN Saher IV, De SURN QUINCY AFN 9G80-MC REPO @REPO1097@ T ITL Ancestral File (R) AUTH The Church of Jesus Christ of L atter-day Saints PUBL Copyright (c) 1987, June 1998, data a s of 5 January 1998 ABBR Ancestral File (R) _MASTER Y REP O @REPO1097@ TITL Ancestral File (R) AUTH The Church of Jes us Christ of Latter-day Saints PUBL Copyright (c) 1987, Jun e 1998, data as of 5 January 1998 ABBR Ancestral File (R) _ MASTER Y REPO @REPO1097@ TITL Ancestral File (R) AUTH The C hurch of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints PUBL Copyright ( c) 1987, June 1998, data as of 5 January 1998 ABBR Ancestra l File (R) _MASTER Y REPO @REPO1097@ TITL Ancestral File (R ) AUTH The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints PUB L Copyright (c) 1987, June 1998, data as of 5 January 199 8 ABBR Ancestral File (R) _MASTER Y REPO @REPO1097@ TITL An cestral File (R) AUTH The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter- day Saints PUBL Copyright (c) 1987, June 1998, data as o f 5 January 1998 ABBR Ancestral File (R) _MASTER Y REPO @RE PO982@ TITL Ancestral File (R) AUTH The Church of Jesus Chr ist of Latter-day Saints PUBL Copyright (c) 1987, June 1998 , data as of 5 January 1998 ABBR Ancestral File (R) _MASTE R Y DATE 13 NOV 2000 TIME 19:59:57 GIVN Saher IV, De SURN QUINCY AFN 9G80-MC REPO @REPO1097@ T ITL Ancestral File (R) AUTH The Church of Jesus Christ of L atter-day Saints PUBL Copyright (c) 1987, June 1998, data a s of 5 Janu ary 1998 ABBR Ancestral File (R) _MASTER Y REP O @REPO1097@ TITL Ancestral File (R) AUTH The Church of Jes us Christ of Latter-day Saints PUBL Copyright (c) 1987, Jun e 1998, data as of 5 January 1998 ABBR Ancestral File (R) _ MASTER Y REPO @REPO1097@ TITL Ancestral File (R) AUTH The C hurch of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints PUBL Copyright ( c) 1987, June 1998, data as of 5 January 1998 ABBR Ancestra l File (R) _MASTER Y REPO @REPO1097@ TITL Ancestral File (R ) AUTH The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints PUB L Copyright (c) 1987, June 1998, data as of 5 January 199 8 ABBR Ancestral File (R) _MASTER Y REPO @REPO1097@ TITL An cestral File (R) AUTH The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter- day Saints PUBL Copyright (c) 1987, June 1998, data as o f 5 January 1998 ABBR Ancestral File (R) _MASTER Y REPO @RE PO982@ TITL Ancestral File (R) AUTH The Church of Jesus Chr ist of Latter-day Saints PUBL Copyright (c) 1987, June 1998 , data as of 5 January 1998 ABBR Ancestral File (R) _MASTE R Y DATE 13 NOV 2000 TIME 19:59:57
  
  === ! Source: Ane. Wm. Clopton ! Rre ===
  ! Source: Ane. Wm. Clopton ! Rrest H.K. Bowen ! Gen Soc Army Wars ! Plantagenet Arc. ! Anc Roots 60 Col
  
  === BIOGRAPHY: Crusader 1188-1193 ===
  BIOGRAPHY: Crusader 1188-1193
  
  === In 1173 he sided with the younger Henry, ===
  In 1173 he sided with the younger Henry, son of Henry II of England. In 1180-94, he was castellan of Nonancourt on the Aure. He was with King Richard at Roche d'Orval in 1198. In 1207 was created Earl of Winchester. He went with King John to Ireland in 1210 and in 1213 witnessed King John's surrender of his crown to the Pope. In 1215 the confederation of 25 barons who forced the signing of the Magna Charta. On the accession of Henry III he adhered to Louis of France. Was taken prisoner at the Battle of Lincoln in 1217. Sailed for the Holy Land in 1219 and died enroute. He ordered that at his death his heart and vitals should be burnt and the ashes carried back to England, which was done.
  
  === Surety observor for the Magna Charta. ===
  Surety observor for the Magna Charta.
  
  === ! In 1215, he was chosen as one of the 2 ===
  ! In 1215, he was chosen as one of the 25 Sureties to see that the provisions of Magna Charta were observed. He was created Earl of Winchester. He married Margaret de Beaumont, dau/o Robert de Beaumont, Earl of Leicester. ! DEATH: Died as a Crusader, 3 Nov 1219, at the siege of Damietta.
  
  === !died during the Crusades !The New Engla ===
  !died during the Crusades !The New England Historical and Genealogical Register Vol CXII Jan 1958
  
  === !Earl of Winchester; Magna Charta Surety ===
  !Earl of Winchester; Magna Charta Surety 1215; Crusader 1219;
  
  === !Saier de Quincy, Magna Charta Surety, 1 ===
  !Saier de Quincy, Magna Charta Surety, 1215, d. Damietta, 3 Nov. 1219, 1st Earl of Winchester, 1207-1219, crusader, 1219, m. bef. 1173, Margaret de Beaumont, d. bef 12 Feb. 1234/5, dau of Robert, 3rd Earl of Leicester. [Weis "60 Colonists", line 56-27, 53-27.] [Weis "Magna Charta Sureties", line 74-1.] !Saier de Quincy, created 1st Earl of Winchester by King John in 1207, was a Magna Charta Surety in 1215. and a Crusader in 1219. !Lovell J. Morris, Jr., a descendant, is a Magna Charta Baron through Saire de Quincy.
  
  === !SOURCES:
  1. Q940 D2t, p. 100, 103, 113, ===
  !SOURCES:
  1. Q940 D2t, p. 100, 103, 113, 99, Plantagenet Ancestry
  2. 942 D24c The Complete Peerage vol 10 p. 215
  3. 942 M23b The Roll of Battle Abbey, p. 93-94
  4. Q942.51 R2je Doomsday Bk p. 7-8
  5. Q942 D22dw Dugdale's Baronage of England vol 1 p. 751
  6. 942 D2bb The Battle Abbey Roll vol 1 p. 26, vol 3 p. 47-49
  7. 942 D22bug Peerage of the British Isles, 1883 p. 447
  8. 942 D24c The Complete Peerage vol 12, pt 2, p. 751
  9. Adjusted for same patron, 17 Aug 1967
  
  !DEATH:
  Died on the way to Jerusalem
  
  !HISTORICAL NOTES:
  Saher de Quincy was a Magna Charta Surety.
  
  === He was a surety for the Magna Carta of ===
  He was a surety for the Magna Carta of King John.
  
  === Magna Carta Sureties ===
  Magna Carta Sureties

• m. 1173 in Winchester, Hampshire, England

1. Robert de Quincy II, b. ABT 1180 in Winchester, Hampshire, England     d. AUG 1217 in London, England
2. Arabella de Quincy, b. 1186 in Winchester, Hampshire, England, United Kingdom     d. 1258 in Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England, United Kingdom
3. Hawise de Quincy, b. ABT 1178     d. 11 FEB 1222/23
4. Roger de Quincy 2nd Earl Of Winchester Constable Of Scotland, b. 1195 in Winchester, Hampshire, England     d. 25 APR 1264 in Brackley, Northamptonshire, England
5. Roger de Quincy, b. 1174 in Hampshire, England     d. 1247
6. Robert de Quincy the Younger, b. Abt 1186/1188 in Of, Winchester, (Buckley), Hampshire, England     d. AUG 1257 in Spm, London, Middlesex, England
7. Aliva de Quincy, b. 1197 in Ryhall, Rutland, England, United Kingdom     d. 1219

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3. Title: The Peerage.com
   Author: Citations [S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume I, page 196. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage. [S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume XII/2, page 747. [S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume XII/2, page 748. [S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume XII/2, page 750. [S37] BP2003 volume 2, page 2603. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S37] [S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume VII, page 676. [S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume XII/2, page 749. [S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume III, page 169. [S37] BP2003. [S37]
   Publication: Name: http://www.thepeerage.com/p1290.htm#i12894;
   Note: Saher de Quency, 1st Earl of Winchester1 M, #12894, d. 3 November 1219 Last Edited=25 Jun 2014 Saher de Quency, 1st Earl of Winchester was the son of Robert de Quency and Orable (?)2,3 He married Margaret de Beaumont, daughter of Robert de Beaumont, 3rd Earl of Leicester and Pernel de Grandmesnil. He died on 3 November 1219 at DamiettaG.4 He was created 1st Earl of Winchester [England] in 1206.5 Children of Saher de Quency, 1st Earl of Winchester Hawise de Quincy+1 Robert de Quincey+6 d. c 1232 Children of Saher de Quency, 1st Earl of Winchester and Margaret de Beaumont Roger de Quency, 2nd Earl of Winchester+7 d. 25 Apr 1264 Robert de Quincy, Lord of Ware+8 d. Aug 1257 Arabella de Quency+9 d. b 1258
   
4. Title: ELLEN de Quincy in Quincy Earls of Winchester in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy-wife of Roger de Quincy, Saher IV's second son
   Author: Quincy Earls of Winchester in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~ http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL2.htm#_Toc21106970
   Publication: Name: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL2.htm#_Toc21106970;
   Note: ELLEN de Quincy (-before 20 Aug 1296). The Annales Londonienses name "Margarete countesse de Ferreres et Eleyne la Zusche et la countesse de Bougham" as the three daughters of "Eleyn countesse de Wynton", naming "Roger la Zusche" as son of "Eleyne la Zusche" and "de Roger, Aleyn"[102]. A charter dated 3 Dec 1274 records the homage of "Elena la Zusche another daughter and heir of Roger [de Quency earl of Wynton]" for her part of the lands "lately held in dower by Alianora de Vaux late countess of Wynton widow of the said Roger"[103]. Inquisitions after a writ 20 Aug "24 Edw I", following the death of "Elena la Zousche...", name “Alan la Suches [...son of Sir Roger de la Suche] aged 24 [...and more...aged 28 at the feast of St. Giles last] is her next heir” and record “Oliver la Suches” doing the service of 1 knight in Disard, Strahon and Lokeris, Fifeshire[104]. m ALAN [II] la Zouche [Justiciar of Ireland], son of ROGER [I] la Zouche & his wife Margaret...
   Page: Quincy Earls of Winchester in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~ http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL2.htm#_Toc21106970 [See document in the Memories section]
   
5. Title: Wikitree
   Author: Wikitree
   Publication: Name: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Quincy-226;
   Note: Saier de Quincy was one of the twenty-five medieval barons who were surety for Magna Carta in 1215.
   
6. Title: Saher de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester - FMG
   Publication: Name: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL2.htm#SaherQuincydied1156;
   
7. Title: Notes on the Scottish de Quency of Fawside and Leuchars
   Author: Online article by William W. Ireland, M.D., FSA Scot
   Publication: Name: https://electricscotland.com/history/articles/dequency.htm;
   Note: History notes use this as a source: "Seyr, Sayer, Saher, or Saer de Queney, the son of Robert first, comes into notice in English history as witness to a concord drawn between Henry II. and his unruly sons, Henry, Richard, and Geoffrey. This agreement was made at Falaise in 1174, about the same time as the dishonourable treaty in which the independence of Scotland was given as the ransom of William the Lion. What the young de Quency was doing at the Court of the Plantagenet is not clear. He may have been called to be left as a hostage for his grandfather, Ness, who was one of the Scottish chiefs who were taken at Alnwick with King William, or voluntarily shared his captivity."
   Page: document history notes
   
8. Title: Magna Carta Trust, Saer de Quincy, Earl of Winchester
   Publication: Name: https://magnacarta800th.com/schools/biographies/the-25-barons-of-magna-carta/saer-de-qunicy-earl-of-winchester/;
   
9. Title: Famous Kin
   Publication: Name: https://famouskin.com/famous-kin-menu.php?name=5134+saher+de+quincy;
   
10. Title: Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester. Wikipedia
    Author: Wikipedia.com
    Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saer_de_Quincy,_1st_Earl_of_Winchester;
    Note: Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester (c. 1170 – 3 November 1219) was son of Robert de Quincy and Arabella. He married Margaret, the younger sister of Robert de Beaumont, Earl of Leicester. Earl Robert died in 1204, and left Margaret as co-heiress to the vast earldom along with her elder sister. In 1219 he left to join the Fifth Crusade, then besieging Damietta. While in the east, he fell sick and died. He was buried in Acre, the capital of the Kingdom of Jerusalem, rather than in Egypt, and his heart was brought back and interred at Garendon Abbey near Loughborough, a house endowed by his wife's family. Sometime between 1188 and 1193 de Quincy married Margaret, youngest daughter of Robert de Beaumont, 3rd Earl of Leicester.
    Page: Biography.
    
11. Title: WikiVisually: Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester
    Publication: Name: http://wikivisually.com/wiki/Saer_de_Quincy,_1st_Earl_of_Winchester;
    
12. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Saher deQuincey - Unknown-Begin: ; Winchester, Hampshire, England, United Kingdom
    Author: "European ancestors of American colonists, an index : a combined every-name index to Ancestral roots of sixty colonists a, Martin, John Stanwood. (Main) Weis, Frederick Lewis, 1895-1966. Ancestral rootsof sixty colonists who came to New England b, 13 Feb 2001
    Note: Unknown-Begin: ; Winchester, Hampshire, England, United Kingdom TEXT DESCRIPTION: iii, 377, 56, 12 p. ; 24 cm. NOTES: Includes bibliographical references and index. SUBJECTS: Weis, Frederick Lewis, 1895-1966.Ancestral roots ofsixty colonists who came to New England between 1623 and 1650--Indexes.Weis, Frederick Lewis, 18 birth-name: Saher II de Quincy TEXT DESCRIPTION: iii, 377, 56, 12 p. ; 24 cm. NOTES: Includes bibliographical references and index. SUBJECTS: Weis, Frederick Lewis, 1895-1966.Ancestral roots ofsixty colonists who came to New England between 1623 and 1650--Indexes.Weis, Frederick Lewis, 18 Unknown-Begin: TEXT DESCRIPTION: iii, 377, 56, 12 p. ; 24 cm. NOTES: Includes bibliographical references and index. SUBJECTS: Weis, Frederick Lewis, 1895-1966.Ancestral roots ofsixty colonists who came to New England between 1623 and 1650--Indexes.Weis, Frederick Lewis, 18 Unknown-Begin: 1219; Akko, Hazafon, Israel TEXT DESCRIPTION: iii, 377, 56, 12 p. ; 24 cm. NOTES: Includes bibliographical references and index. SUBJECTS: Weis, Frederick Lewis, 1895-1966.Ancestral roots ofsixty colonists who came to New England between 1623 and 1650--Indexes.Weis, Frederick Lewis, 18
    Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2037060922
    
13. Title: Saher IV de Quincy in Medieval Lands Project
    Author: Online.
    Publication: Name: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL2.htm#SaherQuincydied1219A;
    Note: Biography. SAHER [IV] de Quincy, son of ROBERT de Quincy & his first wife Orabilis of Mar ([1165/70]-Damietta 3 Nov 1219, bur Acre) He was created Earl of Winchester before 10 Feb 1207. He supported the barons against King John and was one of the 25 men chosen in Jun 1215 to enforce obedience of Magna Carta, being excommunicated by the Pope in Dec 1215. He supported the barons against King John and was one of the 25 men chosen in Jun 1215 to enforce obedience of Magna Carta, being excommunicated by the Pope in Dec 1215. He joined the Crusade in 1219 and died at the siege of Damietta. His heart being burned and later buried at Garendon. m (before 1190) MARGARET of Leicester, daughter of ROBERT de Beaumont Earl of Leicester & his wife Pernelle de Grantmesnil. Saher [IV] & his wife had [eight] children.
    Page: Biography. Source used in associated Wikipedia article.
    
14. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Saher deQuincey - Unknown-Begin: ; Winchester, Hampshire, England, United Kingdom
    Author: "The Plantagenet ancestry; being tables showing over 7,000 of the ancestors ofElizabeth (daughter of Edward IV and wife o, Turton, William Harry, 1856-1938. (Main), 13 Feb 2001
    Note: Unknown-Begin: ; Winchester, Hampshire, England, United Kingdom TEXT DESCRIPTION: xvii, 274 p. (chiefly geneal. tables) 36 cm. NOTES: Reprint of the1928 ed. Bibliography: p. xiii-xv. SUBJECTS: Plantagenet, House of Families ofroyal descent. Great Britain--Genealogy. birth-name: Saher II de Quincy TEXT DESCRIPTION: xvii, 274 p. (chiefly geneal. tables) 36 cm. NOTES: Reprint of the1928 ed. Bibliography: p. xiii-xv. SUBJECTS: Plantagenet, House of Families ofroyal descent. Great Britain--Genealogy. Unknown-Begin: TEXT DESCRIPTION: xvii, 274 p. (chiefly geneal. tables) 36 cm. NOTES: Reprint of the1928 ed. Bibliography: p. xiii-xv. SUBJECTS: Plantagenet, House of Families ofroyal descent. Great Britain--Genealogy. Unknown-Begin: 1219; Akko, Hazafon, Israel TEXT DESCRIPTION: xvii, 274 p. (chiefly geneal. tables) 36 cm. NOTES: Reprint of the1928 ed. Bibliography: p. xiii-xv. SUBJECTS: Plantagenet, House of Families ofroyal descent. Great Britain--Genealogy.
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15. Title: Wikipedia
    Author: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saer_de_Quincy,_1st_Earl_of_Winchester
    Publication: Name: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saer_de_Quincy,_1st_Earl_of_Winchester;
    
16. Title: Saher de Quincy, Earl of Winchester, in Cokayne's Complete Peerage, Vol. 8, pg. 168-169 [See document in the Memories section]
    Author: Cokayne's Complete Peerage, Vol. 8, pg. 168-169
    Note: Saher de Quincy, Earl of Winchester, in Cokayne's Complete Peerage, Vol. 8, pg. 168-169 [See document in the Memories section]
    Page: Saher de Quincy, Earl of Winchester, in Cokayne's Complete Peerage, Vol. 8, pg. 168-169 [See document in the Memories section]
    
17. Title: Saer de Quincy, Earl of Winchester
    Publication: Name: https://magnacarta800th.com/schools/biographies/the-25-barons-of-magna-carta/saer-de-qunicy-earl-of-winchester/;
    
18. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Saher deQuincey - Unknown-Begin: ; Winchester, Hampshire, England, United Kingdom
    Author: "Magna Charta Barons and Their Descendants [1915]", Browning, Charles H., 12 Feb 2001
    Note: Unknown-Begin: ; Winchester, Hampshire, England, United Kingdom TEXT vol 1 p 177, vol 3 p 422, 429, vol 6 p 1758, 1759 birth-name: Saher II de Quincy TEXT vol 1 p 177, vol 3 p 422, 429, vol 6 p 1758, 1759 Unknown-Begin: TEXT vol 1 p 177, vol 3 p 422, 429, vol 6 p 1758, 1759 Unknown-Begin: 1219; Akko, Hazafon, Israel TEXT vol 1 p 177, vol 3 p 422, 429, vol 6 p 1758, 1759
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19. Title: Saher de Quincy, "Find A Grave Index"
    Author: "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVKJ-TB9S : 9 September 2022), 1st Earl of Winchester, ; Burial, Shepshed, Charnwood Borough, Leicestershire, England, Garendon Abbey; citing record ID 49692833, Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.
    Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVKJ-TB9S;
    Note: Obituary at Find a Grave: Earl of Winchester, of Long Buckby, Northamptonshire and Leuchard and Travernent, Scotland. In right of his wife, of Brckley, Northamptonshire. Son and heir to Sir Robert de Quincy, knight in the service of King William the Lion and Orabillia of Leuchars, heiress of the lordship of Leuchars in Fife. He was born about 1155 and raised in Scotland. Saher married Margaret de Beaumont, the daughter of Sir Robert de Beaumont and Petronilla Grandmesnil and the younger sister of Robert de Beaumont, 4th Earl of Leicester and the Quincy's Fife ally and neighbor, Roger de Beaumont, Bishop of St Andrews. They were married before 1173 and had the following children: Lorette m William de Valognes Arabella m Sir Robert Harcourt Robert de Quincy m Hawise of Chester, Countess of Lincoln Roger de Quincy m Helen de Galloway Robert de Quincy m Helen Llywelyn, dtr of Llywelyn the Great Hawise de Quincy m Hugh de Vere When Robert died in 1204, he made Margaret a co-heiress of the vast earldom along with her elder sister, Amicia, who married Simon de Montfort. When the inheritance was settled in 1207, Saher became the Earl of Winchester. Saher took part in the 1173 rebellion of young king Henry against his father, King Henry II, and became the castellan (castle captain or governor) of Nonancourt on the Aure in 1180. Saher was with King Richard at Roche d'Orval in August 1198, and was with William the Lion, King of Scotland when he paid homage to King John in 1200. Saher and Sir Robert FitzWalter were joint castellans of Vaudreuil Castle in France, 1203, but surrendered it to the French before they were attacked. Saher and Robert were imprisoned by the French king Phillip Augustus at Compiegne until they were freed by a £5000 ransom. Saher witnessed King John's surrender of his crown to the Pope 1213, took the cross 04 March 1215, and was one of the twenty five barons elected to guarantee the provisions of the Magna Carta. Saher was sent with Sir Robert FitzWalter to offer the English crown to Prince Louis of France, after which they returned with fourty-two ships full of French knights and followers. After Henry III stepped down, Saher remained loyal to Louis. Mountsorrell Castle was beseiged by the King Henry III's royal army, Saher and FitzWalter were defeated despite Louis sending reinforcements, taken prisoner at Lincoln 20 May 1217, but restored to his lands in October, leaving Saher to fulfill his crusader's vow. In 1219, Saher left to join the Fifth Crusade which was actively attacking Damietta. While in the Holy Land, he fell sick and died. He was buried in Acre, the capital of the Kingdom of Jerusalem, and his heart was brought back and interred at Garendon Abbey near Loughborough, a house endowed by his wife's family.