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Walter FitzRobert Baron of Little Dunmow
- Preferred Name: Walter FitzRobert Baron of Little Dunmow[1] [2] [3] [4] [5]
- Gender: M
- FSID: LBLZ-H6T
- Burial: 1258 in Little Dunmow, Essex, England at LATI: N1.8684 LONG: E0.4078
- Death: BEF 10 APR 1258 in Woodham Walter, Essex, England at LATI: N1.7294 LONG: E0.6162
- Birth: ABT 1219 in Woodham Walter, Essex, England at LATI: N1.7294 LONG: E0.6162
- Notes:
=== Life Sketch ===
Sir Walter fitz Robert was the son of Robert fitz Walter and Rohese (?)
He married Ida Longespée, daughter of William Longespée, 2nd Earl of Salisbury and Idoine de Camville.
He died before 10 April 1258.
He lived at Woodham Walter, Essex, England.
Child of Sir Walter fitz Robert and Ida Longespée
- Robert fitz Walter, 1st Lord FitzWalter b. 1247, d. 18 Jan 1325/26
http://www.thepeerage.com/p41019.htm#i410184
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“Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
"WALTER FITZ ROBERT, Knt., of Woodharn Walter, Burnham, Roydon, Dunmow, Henham, Tey, Ulting, and Wimbish, Essex, son and heir by his father's 2nd marriage, born about 1219 (minor in 1235 and came of age in 1240).
He married IDA LONGESPEE, daughter of William Longespee, Earl of Salisbury (illegitimate son of King Henry II of England), by Ela, daughter and heiress of William Fitz Patrick, Earl of Salisbury [see LONGESPEE 5 for her ancestry].
They had one son,
1. Robert, Knt. [1st Lord Fitz Walter],
and three daughters,
2. Ela,
3. Katherine (nun), and
4. Lora (nun).
In 1253 he was granted a weekly market and a yearly fair at his manor of Burnham, Essex. About 1255 he gave 3 acres of meadow in Westniead (in Roydon), Essex to the Hospitallers.
SIR WALTER FITZ ROBERT died shortly before 10 April 1258.
In 1259 his widow, "Ida Lungesp[ee]," paid £40 to have the farm of the manor of Henliam, Essex. In the period, 261-3, as "Ida Longespee," widow of Walter Fitz Robert, she petitioned Walter de Merton, the king's chancellor, to bail two of her men appealed of homicide. Ida was living 11 May 1262.
Children of Walter Fitz Robert, Knt., by Ida Longespee:
i. ROBERT FITZ WALTER, Knt., 1st Lord Fitz Walter [see next].
ii. ELA FITZ WALTER, married (1st) WILLIAM DE ODDINGSELES, Knt, of Solihull, Warwickshire [see ODDINGSELES 8]."
=== !MARRIAGE-BIRTH: Magna Charta Part VII; ===
!MARRIAGE-BIRTH: Magna Charta Part VII; by John S. Wurts; 1954;Brookfield Publishing Co.; PO Box 4933, Philadelphia, Pa.; pg 2044
=== Ancestral File Number: GS4T-QR ===
Ancestral File Number: GS4T-QR
=== b. Sir Walter Fitz Robert was of Woodham ===
b. Sir Walter Fitz Robert was of Woodham-Walter, Burnham, Roydon, Dunmow, Henham, Winbish and Tey. r. SIR WALTER FITZ ROBERT, d. bef. 10 Apr. 1258, of Woodham-Walter, Burnham, Roydon, Dunmow, Henham, Winbish and Tey; m. IDA LONGSPEE (30-27). (Note discussion of her parentage in line 30). ["60 Colonists" line 148-28.]
=== Sources: Norr; Ancestral Roots 30, 86, 1 ===
Sources: Norr; Ancestral Roots 30, 86, 148. Roots: Walter Fitz Robert of Woodham-Walter, Burnham, Roydon, Dunnow,Henham, Wimbish and Tey, Essex..
=== My PAF Notes ===
from thepeerage.com, 3/2009:
Walter FitzRobert, Lord of Dunmow
M, #4634
Last Edited=20 Jan 2003
Walter FitzRobert, Lord of Dunmow gained the title of Lord of Dunmow.
Child of Walter FitzRobert, Lord of Dunmow
Alice FitzRobert + d. a 1213
=== !The History and Antiquities of Hertford ===
!The History and Antiquities of Hertfordshire Q942.58 V22c A note in Complete Peerage says Walter Fitz Robert was the son of Robert Fitz Philip and his fees extended into 6 counties. (Book of Fees p. 1459, and passine) (Farrer, honors and Knights Fees VI p. 276) However, in our searching we find that the only Philip we can find died without posterity. So we have gone with our other sources for Watler Fitz Robert's parentage and heritage.
=== Note: Walter FitzWalter, in the 24th of ===
Note: Walter FitzWalter, in the 24th of Henry III [1240], paid intothe exchequer a fine of 300 marks for livery of his lands, and in the42nd of the same king had a military summons to march against theWelsh, and d. 1249, leaving by Maud, his 1st wife, a son and heir, SirRobert FitzWalter. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited,and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 212,FitzWalter, Barons FitzWalter] Sources: Title: The Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additionsby Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999 Page: 50-2, 142-2 Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, byFrederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999 Page: 86-32 Title: The Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additionsby Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999 Page: 50-2
=== B-72 (50-1): Leader of the Magna Charta ===
B-72 (50-1): Leader of the Magna Charta Barons. Of Woodham, Lord of Dunmow Castle.
=== !AFN: 9FTR-S3; Of Woodham-Walter, Burnha ===
!AFN: 9FTR-S3; Of Woodham-Walter, Burnham, Roydon, Dunmow, Henham, Wimbish and Tey, Essex; !AFN: 84ZX-0D; 3rd Earl of Pembroke, Marshal of England, Protector, Regent of the Kingdom 1216-1219; !Royal Forefathers by Gunderson, MS #363, Item # 8, MF # 1059499 !AFN: 9FTR-9H; Earl of Salisbury. Slain in battle with the Saracens; !Aristocratic & Royal Ancestors, by Leslie R. Tucker p.912 !Lord of Appleby, Westmorland; hereditary sheriff of Westmorland; !Royal Forefathers by Gunderson, MS #360, Item #10, MF #1059499 First Lord Giffard
=== Sir Walter FitzWalter, eldest son and s ===
Sir Walter FitzWalter, eldest son and successor, paid in the 24th of Henry III, into the exchequer a fine of 300 marks for the livery of his lands, and in 42nd of Henry (1216-1272) had a military summons to march against the Welsh.
=== Sir Walter fitz Robert, d. bef. 10 Apr 1 ===
Sir Walter fitz Robert, d. bef. 10 Apr 1258, of Woodham-Walter, Burnham, Roydon, Dunmow, Henham, Wimbish, and Tey, Essex; m. Ida de Longespee. (Marriage under question [see notes under Ida]). [Magna Charta Sureties]
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Walter FitzWalter, in the 24th of Henry III [1240], paid into the exchequer a fine of 300 marks for livery of his lands, and in the 42nd of the same king had a military summons to march against the Welsh, and d. 1249, leaving by Maud, his 1st wife, a son and heir, Sir Robert FitzWalter. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 212, FitzWalter, Barons FitzWalter]
Ancestral File Number: 9FTR-S3
Preferred Parents:
Father: Robert FitzWalter, b. ABT 1166 in Maldon, Essex, England d. 9 DEC 1235 in Little Dunmow, Essex, England
Mother: Rohese Baynard, b. 1180 in Merton Manor, Norfolk, England d. 4 JAN 1236 in Dunmow Castle, Little Dunmow, Essex, England
Family 1: Ida Longespée the younger, b. 1222 in Salisbury, Wiltshire, England d. 11 MAY 1262 in Salisbury, Wiltshire, England
- Robert FitzWalter 1st Baron FitzWalter, b. 1247 in Woodham Walter, Essex, England d. 18 JAN 1326 in Little Dunmow, Essex, England
- Ela FitzWalter, b. ABT 1248 in Woodham Ferrers, Essex, England, United Kingdom d. AFT 7 JAN 1311 in England, United Kingdom
Sources:
- Title: Magna Carta Ancestry of Freville and allied families
Author: Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families by Douglas Richardson. Genealogical Publishing Co. Inc. 2005. ISBN 0-8063-1759-0
Page: pp. 356 FREVILLE record 2. Walter Fitz Robert married Ida de Longspee
- Title: Book - Ancestral Roots of Certain America Colonists who came to America
- Title: Notes for Walter Fitz Robert and Ida Longespée
Publication: Name: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~bobwolfe/gen/mn/m27003x27007.htm;
- Title: Appendix I of "Ancestors and Descendants of John Price: Immigrant to Virginia: 1610-11"
Note: Although the book is compiled by Vina Chandler Price, Appendix I was included at the request of Mrs. Margaret Scruggs Carruth, and was researched by Miss Kett and by Mr. H. E. Forrest (after the death of Miss Kett, which took before 1930). Both Miss Kett and Mr. Forrest were reputed to be professional genealogists. Mr Forrest is also referred to as the "Antiquarian Editor" of the Shrewsbury Chronicle
I looked H. E. Forrest online and found that he is also the editor of the following books:
--"Shrewsbury Burgess Roll", published in 1924 by the Shrewsbury and Shropshire Archaeological and Parish Register Society
--"The old Churches of Shrewsbury: Their History, Architecture and Associations", published in 1920 by Shrewsbury, Wilding & Son
--"Some Old Shropshire Houses and their Owners: Braggington (with a plate), Dinthill, Whitley, & Play-Y-Court", published in 1915 by Shropshire Archaeological & Natural History Society.
Margaret Scruggs Carruth is a charter member of "Daughters of the Barons of Runnemede". She served as Registrar when it was first organized, and is listed as member #22. To be eligible for membership, a person must descend from one or more of the Barons of Runnemede. The Barons forced King John to agree to the Magna Carta, a charter constituting a fundamental guarantee of rights and privileges. Mrs. Scruggs claims eligibility for membership through John Price who supposedly descended from eleven of the Barons.
Appendix I provides two different lineages. One is from Robert Fitzwalter (who was one of the Barons of Runnemede) to John Price (born 1584-5), and the titular character of this book. The 2nd is from Elystan Glodrydd app Cyhelin ap Ifor (933-1010) (who was Prince of Ferlllys and founder of the Fourth Royal Tribe of Wales) back to the same John Price.
Page: Sir Walter Fitzwalter (2nd Gen, pg. 515) is identified as: the son of Robert Fitzwalter (1st Gen, pp. 514-515) and Gunora de la Valoines; the husband of Maude; and the father of Ida Fitzwalter (3rd Gen, pg. 515).
- Title: Walter Fitzrobert, "Find A Grave Index"
Author: "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVKR-JVXW : 3 June 2020), Walter Fitzrobert, 1258; Burial, , ; citing record ID , Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.
Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVKR-JVXW;
Page: Find A Grave record.
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