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Joan de Aguillon
- Preferred Name: Joan de Aguillon[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8]
- Alternate Name: Fitz Barnard
- Alternate Name: FitzBarnard
- Alternate Name: Ralph Fitz Barnard
- Alternate Name: Hewise Aquillan
- Gender: F
- LdsEndowment: 4 FEB 1944 with note: GEDCOM data
- Burial: in Gloucestershire, England at LATI: N1.8842 LONG: E2.1446
- LdsBaptism: 27 JUL 1943 with note: GEDCOM data
- FSID: LBYT-DVW
- Death: AFT 15 FEB 1263 in Kingsdown, Kent, England at LATI: N1.303 LONG: E0.7676
- NFS ID: with note: Description: LHPM-Y8Y
NFS
- Birth: ABT 1210 in Withyham, Suffolk, England
- Notes:
=== Life Sketch ===
Biography
Research Notes
"It seems that Joan, the daughter and coheir of Robert Aguillon, by Margery his wife, was the wife of Ralph FitzBernard (who died before 10 June 1238), not the wife of his son John (who died shortly before 30 October 1259). It is unlikely that Joan, who survived Ralph, was the mother of his son John. The evidence is summarised below: "
In Trinity 1239, Joan who was the wife of Ralph FitzBernard appears as one of the daughters of Margery, the sister of Idonea de Beche, daughter of William de Fresney [Curia Regis Rolls, vol.16, no 614]. Another daughter of Margery is named as Isabel (deceased, leaving a son Adam, a minor, the son of Robert de Cokefeud), and these two, together with Thomas de Poninges and Ela his wife, and Giles de Argenteam and Margery his wife, were summoned to answer with Idonea.
It appears that Joan, Isabel, Ela and Margery were the four daughters and coheirs of Robert Aguillon. There is much evidence that they were his heirs, and two of them are called his daughters by Complete Peerage - vol.1, p.196, says that Margery, the wife of Giles d'Argentine, was his daughter (without citing evidence), and vol.10, p.658, says that Ela, the wife of Thomas de Poynings, was his daughter by Margery his wife (citing Assize Roll 819, m.3, Coram Rege Rolls, Mich. 35-36 Hen. III, m.54; Trin. 37 Hen. III, m.4). (Many authors have followed the account in Blomefield's History of Norfolk [vol.2, p.178], which is essentially similar but contains a number of errors, including the identification of their mother as Agatha, daughter and coheir of Fulk de Beaufo.)
The sources cited by the Complete Peerage in the article on FitzBernard show only that (i) John FitzBernard died shortly before 30 October 1259, and left a son John, aged 13, 14 or 15 and (ii) that the wardship of the land and heirs of John FitzBernard was granted on 15 February 1262/3 to Joan "de Aguylun", late the wife of Imbert Pugeis, and to their children - the wardship having previously been granted to Imbert. Possibly it was assumed on this basis that John had been Joan's first husband and Ralph her son.
Finally, Joan's share of the Aguillon inheritance seems to have passed to Robert Pugeis, her son by Imbert.
Therefore, presumably, she was not the mother of John FitzBernard, her first husband's son.
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Joan's share of the Aguillon inheritance seems to have passed to Robert Pugeis, her son by Imbert [see, e.g., Cal. Inq. p. m. vol.1, p.901; Rot. Hundred. vol.1, pp.461,542]. Therefore, presumably, she was not the mother of John FitzBernard, her first husband's son. [Some Corrections & Additions to CP]" (Ref: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id=I03430)
BIO
BIO: from Cokayne's Complete Peerage, 2nd Edition, (FitzBernard), Vol. V, p. 400, footnote (b)
It seems that Joan, the daughter and coheir of Robert Aguillon, by Margery his wife, was the wife of Ra
=== Joan FitzBernard (de Aguillon) ===
Joan FitzBernard (de Aguillon)
Birthdate:
1210 (53)
Birthplace:
Kingsdown, Kent, England
Death:
February 15, 1263 (53)
Kingsdown, Kent, , England
Immediate Family:
Daughter of Robert Aguillon and Margery de Fresney
Wife of Ralph FitzBarnard, of Kingsdowne
Mother of Joan de Badlesmere and John Fitz Bernard, Knight
Sister of Ela de Poynings; Isabella De Aquillon and Margery de Aguillon
=== Ancestral File Number: FQDQ-HS ===
Ancestral File Number: FQDQ-HS
=== M E Sorley: The Sorley Pedigrees P. 35 ===
M E Sorley: The Sorley Pedigrees P. 35
=== t seems that Joan, the daughter and cohe ===
t seems that Joan, the daughter and coheir of Robert Aguillon, by Margery his wife, was the wife of Ralph FitzBernard (who died before 10 June 1238), not the wife of his son John (who died shortly before 30 October 1259). It is unlikely that
Joan, who survived Ralph, was the mother of his son John. The evidence is summarised below.
In Trinity 1239, Joan who was the wife of Ralph FitzBernard appears as one of the daughters of Margery, the sister of Idonea de Beche, daughter of William de Fresney [Curia Regis Rolls, vol.16, no 614]. Another daughter of Margery is named as
Isabel (deceased, leaving a son Adam, a minor, the son of Robert de Cokefeud), and these two, together with Thomas de Poninges and Ela his wife, and Giles de Argenteam and Margery his wife, were summoned to answer with Idonea.
It appears that Joan, Isabel, Ela and Margery were the four daughters and coheirs of Robert Aguillon. There is much evidence that they were his heirs, and two of them are called his daughters by Complete Peerage - vol.1, p.196, says that
Margery, the wife of Giles d'Argentine, was his daughter (without citing evidence), and vol.10, p.658, says that Ela, the wife of Thomas de Poynings, was his daughter by Margery his wife (citing Assize Roll 819, m.3, Coram Rege Rolls, Mich.
35-36 Hen. III, m.54; Trin. 37 Hen. III, m.4). (Many authors have followed the account in Blomefield's History of Norfolk [vol.2, p.178], which is essentially similar but contains a number of errors, including the identification of their mother
as Agatha, daughter and coheir of Fulk de Beaufo.)
The sources cited by the Complete Peerage in the article on FitzBernard show only that (i) John FitzBernard died shortly before 30 October 1259, and left a son John, aged 13, 14 or 15 and (ii) that the wardship of the land and heirs of John
FitzBernard was granted on 15 February 1262/3 to Joan "de Aguylun", late the wife of Imbert Pugeis, and to their children - the wardship having previously been granted to Imbert. Possibly it was assumed on this basis that John had been Joan's
first husband and Ralph her son.
Finally, Joan's share of the Aguillon inheritance seems to have passed to Robert Pugeis, her son by Imbert [see, e.g., Cal. Inq. p. m. vol.1, p.901; Rot. Hundred. vol.1, pp.461,542]. Therefore, presumably, she was not the mother of John
FitzBernard, her first husband's son. [Some Corrections & Additions to CP]
Title: Some Corrections and Additions to the Complete Peerage, www.uk-genealogy.org.uk/cp/index.shtml
Page: V:400 (b) FitzBernard
Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
Page: V:400 (b)
*Forrest=fathers direct line,! dna connections
@Stolp=mothers direct line
+Tamer=husbands direct line
#Wallace & ^Stuetelberg=son-in-laws direct lines
all lines separated.With multiple marks cross over lines
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=== SORLEY 'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 ===
SORLEY 'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 SO68) P.24, 35, 38, 41, 43; BURKE'S LANDED GENTRY (GS NUMBER 942 D22BUG); THE COMPLETE PEERAGE VOL 1 P.371, 372; THE PLANTAGENET ANCESTRY (GS NUMBER Q940 D2T) P.72; ANCESTRAL FILE, LDS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY;
=== It seems that Joan, the daughter and coh ===
It seems that Joan, the daughter and coheir of Robert Aguillon, by Margery his wife, was the wife of Ralph FitzBernard (who died before 10 June 1238), not the wife of his son John (who died shortly before 30 October 1259). It is unlikely that Joan, who survived Ralph, was the mother of his son John. The evidence is summarised below.
In Trinity 1239, Joan who was the wife of Ralph FitzBernard appears as one of the daughters of Margery, the sister of Idonea de Beche, daughter of William de Fresney [Curia Regis Rolls, vol.16, no 614]. Another daughter of Margery is named as Isabel (deceased, leaving a son Adam, a minor, the son of Robert de Cokefeud), and these two, together with Thomas de Poninges and Ela his wife, and Giles de Argenteam and Margery his wife, were summoned to answer with Idonea.
It appears that Joan, Isabel, Ela and Margery were the four daughters and coheirs of Robert Aguillon. There is much evidence that they were his heirs, and two of them are called his daughters by Complete Peerage - vol.1, p.196, says that Margery, the wife of Giles d'Argentine, was his daughter (without citing evidence), and vol.10, p.658, says that Ela, the wife of Thomas de Poynings, was his daughter by Margery his wife (citing Assize Roll 819, m.3, Coram Rege Rolls, Mich. 35-36 Hen. III, m.54; Trin. 37 Hen. III, m.4). (Many authors have followed the account in Blomefield's History of Norfolk [vol.2, p.178], which is essentially similar but contains a number of errors, including the identification of their mother as Agatha, daughter and coheir of Fulk de Beaufo.)
The sources cited by the Complete Peerage in the article on FitzBernard show only that (i) John FitzBernard died shortly before 30 October 1259, and left a son John, aged 13, 14 or 15 and (ii) that the wardship of the land and heirs of John FitzBernard was granted on 15 February 1262/3 to Joan "de Aguylun", late the wife of Imbert Pugeis, and to their children - the wardship having previously been granted to Imbert. Possibly it was assumed on this basis that John had been Joan's first husband and Ralph her son.
Finally, Joan's share of the Aguillon inheritance seems to have passed to Robert Pugeis, her son by Imbert [see, e.g., Cal. Inq. p. m. vol.1, p.901; Rot. Hundred. vol.1, pp.461,542]. Therefore, presumably, she was not the mother of John FitzBernard, her first husband's son. [Some Corrections & Additions to CP]
=== Person note ===
== Biography =="It seems that Joan, the daughter and coheir of Robert Aguillon, by Margery his wife, was the wife of Ralph FitzBernard (who died before 10 June 1238), not the wife of his son John (who died shortly before 30 October 1259). It is unlikely that Joan, who survived Ralph, was the mother of his son John. The evidence is summarised below.
"In Trinity 1239, Joan who was the wife of Ralph FitzBernard appears as one of the daughters of Margery, the sister of Idonea de Beche, daughter of William de Fresney [Curia Regis Rolls, vol.16, no 614]. Another daughter of Margery is named as Isabel (deceased, leaving a son Adam, a minor, the son of Robert de Cokefeud), and these two, together with Thomas de Poninges and Ela his wife, and Giles de Argenteam and Margery his wife, were summoned to answer with Idonea.
"It appears that Joan, Isabel, Ela and Margery were the four daughters and coheirs of Robert Aguillon. There is much evidence that they were his heirs, and two of them are called his daughters by Complete Peerage - vol.1, p.196, says that Margery, the wife of Giles d'Argentine, was his daughter (without citing evidence), and vol.10, p.658, says that Ela, the wife of Thomas de Poynings, was his daughter by Margery his wife (citing Assize Roll 819, m.3, Coram Rege Rolls, Mich. 35-36 Hen. III, m.54; Trin. 37 Hen. III, m.4). (Many authors have followed the account in Blomefield's History of Norfolk [vol.2, p.178], which is essentially similar but contains a number of errors, including the identification of their mother as Agatha, daughter and coheir of Fulk de Beaufo.)
"The sources cited by the Complete Peerage in the article on FitzBernard show only that (i) John FitzBernard died shortly before 30 October 1259, and left a son John, aged 13, 14 or 15 and (ii) that the wardship of the land and heirs of John FitzBernard was granted on 15 February 1262/3 to Joan "de Aguylun", late the wife of Imbert Pugeis, and to their children - the wardship having previously been granted to Imbert. Possibly it was assumed on this basis that John had been Joan's first husband and Ralph her son.
"Finally, Joan's share of the Aguillon inheritance seems to have passed to Robert Pugeis, her son by Imbert [see, e.g., Cal. Inq. p. m. vol.1, p.901; Rot. Hundred. vol.1, pp.461,542]. Therefore, presumably, she was not the mother of John FitzBernard, her first husband's son. [Some Corrections & Additions to CP]" (Ref: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id=I03430)
== Sources ==
* http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id=I03430
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==Footnotes==
=== !GENERAL:Pedigree Resource File CD 4, Pe ===
!GENERAL:Pedigree Resource File CD 4, Pedigree Resource File CD 4, (Salt Lake City, UT: Intellectual Reserve, Inc., 1999) !GENERAL:Ancestral File (TM), Ancestral File (TM), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, June 1998 (c), data as of 5 JAN 1998 Repository: Family History Library 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, UT 84150 USA !GENERAL:Ancestral File (TM), Ancestral File (TM), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, June 1998 (c), data as of 5 JAN 1998 Repository: Family History Library 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, UT 84150 USA
=== Ancestral File Number: 91SK-Z6 ===
Ancestral File Number: 91SK-Z6
=== M E Sorley: The Sorley Pedigrees P. 38 ===
M E Sorley: The Sorley Pedigrees P. 38
=== Source: Please cite original sources.
C ===
Source: Please cite original sources.
Compiled by: J. K. Loren
=== V M Norr: Some Early English Pedigrees ===
V M Norr: Some Early English Pedigrees P. 147
=== *daughter of Robert de Aquillon & Agathe ===
*daughter of Robert de Aquillon & Agathe de Beaufoe
=== From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 5 J ===
From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 5 JAN 1998.
=== ch known ===
ch known
=== !BIR-MAR: Bk, Medieval Knight by Stephen ===
!BIR-MAR: Bk, Medieval Knight by Stephen Turnbull.
=== BAPTISM_LDS: PLAC SG ENDOWMENT: PLAC SG ===
BAPTISM_LDS: PLAC SG ENDOWMENT: PLAC SG
Preferred Parents:
Father: Robert de Aguillon, b. ABT 1186 in Withyham, Sussex, England d. ABT 1249 in Addington, Surrey, England
Mother: Margery de Fresney, b. ABT 1182 d. BEF 1230 in England, United Kingdom
Family 1: Ralph FitzBarnard, b. ABT 1205 in Kent, England, United Kingdom d. 1259 in Frome, Somerset, England, United Kingdom
- m. ABT 1226 in Kingsdown, Kent, England
- Joan FitzBernard, b. ABT 1234 in Badlesmere, Kent, England d. ABT 1310 in Badlesmere, Kent, England, United Kingdom
- Bona FitzBernard, b. ABT 1233 in Kingsdown St John, Kent, England, United Kingdom d. 1286
- John FitzBernard de Guernsey, b. ABT 1237 in Kingsdown, Kent, England d. 1300 in Kingsdown, Kent, England
Family 2: Humphrey Poges, b. ABT 1220 in Stoke Poges, Buckinghamshire, England, United Kingdom d. ABT 1278 in England, United Kingdom
Family 3: William de Whitynton, b. 1235 in Warwick, Warwickshire, England d. 1283 in Warwick, Warwickshire, England
Family 4: FitzPayne, b. in Europe
- Rodbergia FitzPayne, b. ABT 1224 in Great Melton, Norfolk, England
Sources:
- Title: Pedigree of the family of Whittington, of Pauntley, Notgrove, Lye, Rodborough, Rodmarton, Tainton, Stroud, Lipiatt, and Cold Ashton in the County Gloucester, Collected from Pedigrees in the British Museum, Heralds' College, and other sources
Publication: Name: https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/54831027;
- Title: British History Online Upton Haselor Manor
Author: 'Parishes: Haselor', in A History of the County of Warwick: Volume 3, Barlichway Hundred, ed. Philip Styles (London, 1945), pp. 108-115. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/warks/vol3/pp108-115 [accessed 17 July 2022].
Publication: Name: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/warks/vol3/pp108-115;
Note: (excerpt)
The manor-house, now a farm, standing about halfway down the street on the east side, is a late-16thcentury building of T-shaped plan. The manor-place of Upton Haselor was leased by Thomas Whittington, lord of the manor, to Robert Mylls in 1542 for 51 years, apparently a renewal of a lease held by William his father. (fn. 2) In 1590, the house being then occupied by Robert's widow, Thomas Throckmorton granted a 21 years' lease of it (beginning from 24 Oct. 1593) to his younger brother George, of Moor Hall, who in the same year made over his rights to George Kempson of Alcester, butcher, (fn. 3) whose brother, Thomas Kempson of Oversley Park, (fn. 4) eventually obtained possession in 1629, (fn. 5) but by a deed of the previous year a portion of the house, including the kitchen, the well yard, and half the great court was assigned to George's widow as part of an annuity. (fn. 6) In the same year (1629) Thomas Kempson sold it, with an estate in Upton, Haselor, and Exhall, for £1,265 to Sir John Coke and others who were probably acting as agents for Lord Brooke. (fn. 7) In 1633 Robert, Lord Brooke, leased it to Richard Gibbs, (fn. 8) whose son Richard was probably occupying it at the time of the Hearth Tax Return (1662–74) (fn. 9) and in 1703 John Gibbs received a 21 years' lease of it from Fulke, Lord Brooke. (fn. 10)
(excerpt)
About 1230 Sir Stephen de Upton, with the consent of Amice his wife, granted land to the church of Haselor. (fn. 77) From this time nothing is known of the ownership of the manor until 1284, when Hugh Aguillon died holding the manor of Upton. His widow Ellen claimed dower in the manor. He left no children, and his heirs were his sister Joan, then aged 80, and his nephews Hugh Trenchevent and William de Whitenton or Whittington, and a certain John, son of his sister Maud. The greater part of the manor passed to William Whittington, who settled it upon himself and Joan his wife in 1314 (fn. 78) and was still in possession two years later. (fn. 79) A similar settlement was made in 1347 upon another William and Joan Whittington. (fn. 80) About 1535 Thomas Whittington of Pauntley, co. Glos. (sixth in descent from this William) (fn. 81) in a suit against Elizabeth Walsingham, widow, stated that his ancestors for 200 years and more had held a messuage and a yardland and a wood called Upton Woods, and a dovecote in Upton, which Elizabeth now claimed, and as she was assisted by the Sheriff of Warwick and John Greville, in whose household her son John Walsingham lived, Thomas was unable to get justice. Elizabeth stated that her father, John Ippwell, and his ancestors for 200 years and more had held the premises, and that when he died she was only 2 years old, and John Whittington had taken advantage of this to take possession of the land. (fn. 82) Possibly Elizabeth's claim was derived from one of the co-heirs of Hugh Aguillon, but nothing has been found to connect John Ippwell or any others of that family with Haselor. Thomas evidently made good his claim to the manor, and on his death, in 1547, (fn. 83) it was divided between his six daughters: Anne wife of Bevis or Brice Berkeley, Jane wife of Roger Bodenham, Margaret wife of Thomas Throckmorton of Crowsland, Alice wife of John Nanfan, Elizabeth wife of Sir Giles Poole, and Blanche wife of John St. Aubin. (fn. 84) Alice Nanfan died without issue about 1579, when Henry Poole son of Sir Giles and Elizabeth, and Edward Berkeley and his wife Elizabeth, who was a daughter of Anne Berkeley, conveyed two-fifths of the manor to Thomas Throckmorton. (fn. 85) Thomas acquired another fifth of the manor about the same time, and sold four-fifths in 1579 to Thomas Throckmorton of Coughton. (fn. 86)
- Title: UK and Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1300s-Current
Author: Ancestry.com, UK and Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1300s-Current (Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date:2012;).
Note: Boxgrove, Sux.
- Title: Gloucestershire, England, Extracted Parish Records
Publication: Name: https://search.ancestry.com/collections/5882/records/53086;
- Title: Legacy NFS Source: Hawise Agullion - Individual or family possessions: birth: 1235; England
Note: Individual or family possessions: birth: 1235; England
Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:3244788768
- Title: Hugh Aguillon Inquisitions Post Mortem (British History Online)
Author: 'Inquisitions Post Mortem, Edward I, File 38', in Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem: Volume 2, Edward I, ed. J E E S Sharp (London, 1906), pp. 308-315. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol2/pp308-315 [accessed 17 July 2022].
Publication: Name: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol2/pp308-315;
Note: 517. Hugh Aguillon alias Agulun.
Writ, 5 May, 12 Edw. I.
Warwick. Inq. Monday before the Ascension, 12 Edw. I.
Upton by Haselouer. A manse with dovecot and 4 virgates land, 1 virgate with a messuage in villenage, 4 cottages, a grove, a water-mill, and 10d. rent from two free tenants (names given), held of John son and heir of William le Botiler of Wemme, of the fee of the earl of Warwick, who is under age and in the king's wardship, by service of 1 knight.
Stodleye. 6s rent from two freemen holding 2 messuages.
Ellen sometime his wife claims dower of all the above.
He died on Saturday the eve of the close of Easter, 12 Edw. I.
He had four sisters, of whom Christiana the eldest is dead, and her son and heir named Hugh Trenchevent is aged 60 and more; another sister named Hawis is also dead, whose son named William de Whitenton is aged 40 and more; the third sister named Joan still survives and is aged 80 and more; and the fourth sister named Maud is dead and her son John is aged 26 and more: the said Hugh, William, Joan and John are his next heirs.
C. Edw. I. File 38. (1.)
Page: She is named as a sister and co-heir of Hugh Aguillon
- Title: Web: Netherlands, GenealogieOnline Trees Index, 1000-Current
Author: Ancestry.com, Web: Netherlands, GenealogieOnline Trees Index, 1000-Current (Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date:2014;).
Note: r
- Title: Ancestry Family Trees
Author: Ancestry Family Tree
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