Robert de Quincy

• Preferred Name: Robert de Quincy^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]}
  
• Gender: M
  
• Occupation: Justiciar (an administrator of justice. either of two supreme judges in medieval Scotland.)BET 1171 AND 1178 in Lothian, Scotland at LATI: N5.83 LONG: E3.083 with note: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_de_Quincy definition added from online dictionary.
  
• Death: 29 SEP 1197 in Buckley Manor, Northamptonshire, England at LATI: N2.35 LONG: E0.85
  
• Birth: 1127 in Long Buckby, Northamptonshire, England, United Kingdom at LATI: N2.3038 LONG: E1.0809
  
• FSID: LDGP-6LG
  
• LdsEndowment: 10 JAN 1935 with note: GEDCOM data
  
• LdsBaptism: 26 NOV 1934 with note: GEDCOM data
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  Sir Robert de Quincy (born c.1140-died c.1197), Justiciar of Lothian was a 12th-century English and Scottish noble.
  
  Quincy was a son of Saher de Quincy and Matilda de Senlis. Robert was granted the castle of Forfar and a toft in Haddington by King William of Scotland, his cousin. He served as joint Justiciar of Lothian serving from 1171 to 1178.
  
  Robert accompanied King Richard I of England on the Third Crusade in 1190. He led a force to take aid to Antioch in 1191 and also collected prisoners from Tyre. Returning from the crusade, Robert took part in Richard I's campaigns in Normandy in 1194 and 1196. He succeeded to the English estates of his nephew Saer in 1192.
  
  Marriage and issue
  
  Robert married firstly Orabilis, daughter of Nes fitz William, Lord of Leuchars and are known to have had the following issue:
  
  - Saher de Quincy (died 1219), married Margaret de Beaumont, had issue.
  
  After his marriage with Orabilis was annulled, he married secondly Eva Fitz Uhtred de Balliol.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_de_Quincy
  
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  “Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
  
  “ROBERT DE QUINCY (or QUENCY), of Tranent, Fawside, and Longniddry, East Lothian, Scotland, Grantchester, Cambridgeshire, Long Buckby, Northamptonshire, etc., Justiciar of Lothian, c.1170-78, 2nd son, born about 1140. He married ORABEL FITZ NESS, daughter and heiress of Ness Fitz William (also known as Ness Fitz Countess), of Leuchars, Fife and Abbots Deuglie (in Arngask), Perthshire. They had one son, Saher (or Saier), Knt. [1st Earl of Winchester], and one daughter, ___. Sometime in the period, 1165-73, he witnessed a charter for William the Lion, King of Scots, by which the king confirmed the hermitage of Muswell, Buckinghamshire to Missenden Abbey. He was heir to his nephew, Saher de Quincy. Sometime before 1203 Orabel granted eight acres in Gask to Inchaffray Abbey. He and Orabel were subsequently divorced; she married (2nd) GILCHRIST, 3rd Earl of Mar, and died before 30 June 1203. Robert married (2nd) EVE ___. He accompanied King Richard I on the 3rd Crusade in 1190-1. In 1200 he and his son, Saher, witnessed a charter of Gilbert, Earl of Stratheam, and his wife, Maud d'Aubeney (Robert's niece), to Inchaffray Abbey. ROBERT DE QUINCY was living 1205-6, when he owed £20 to a Jew, Aaron, but dead in 1207-8 when his son answered that debt.
  Baker Hist. & Antiqs. of Northampton 1(1822-30): 563 (Beaumont-Quincy ped.). Notes & Oueries 4th Ser. 11 (1873): 269-271, 305-308. Cowan Royal House of Stuart 1(1908): 54-60. Lindsay et al. Charters, Bulls & other Docs. rel. to the Abbey of Inchaffray (Scottish Hist. Soc. 56) (1908): lxxxvi-lxxxix, 270. Salter Boarstall Cartulary (Oxford Hist. Soc. 1st ser. 88) (1930): 104-105. Paget (1957) 464:1-2 (Lord of Buckby; accompanied Richard I to the Holy Land, 1191; fought in Normandy 1194; great favourite with William the Lion, King of Scotland; obtained from him the Lordship of Travernent in Lothian; made justice of Lothian by William the Lion).
  Children of Robert de Quincy; by Orabel Fitz Ness:
  i. SAHER DE QUINCY, Knt., 1st Earl of Winchester [see next].
  ii. ___ DE QUINCY (daughter), married ___ DE SAINT ANDREW. They had two sons, Saher, Knt., and Roger, Knt. C
  Children of ___ de Quincy, by ___ de Saint Andrew:
  a. SAHER DE SAINT ANDREW, Knt., of East Haddon, Northamptonshire, Arrington and Hinxton, Cambridgeshire, and Gotham, Nottinghamshire, Collessie, Fife, etc. He married MAUD DE DIVE, daughter and co-heiress of William de Dive. They had two sons, Robert, Knt., and Saher (Rector of Gotham, Nottinghamshire). He and his brother, Roger, joined the baronial revolt against King John. Saher returned to the king's faith in 1217, and recovered seisin of his lands in Northamptonshire and Nottinghamshire. In 1227 his wife, Maud, sued Richard Trussel in a plea of land in Yorkshire. In 1227 Simon de Muscegros and his wife, Asceline, sued Thomas de Haddon regarding one-third interest in two virgates of land in Haddon, Northamptonshire; Saher de Saint Andrew and his wife, Maud, and Richard de Muscegros and his wife, Alice, joint tenants with the plaintiffs, were summoned and named in the writ but did not wish to sue in respect of these shares. He served in the Brittany expedition in 1230, as a knight of Margaret, Countess of Winchester. He was granted 100 shillings of land in Crokeston and Kerdington by Margaret de Quincy, Countess of Winchester. About 1250 he witnessed a charter of Richard de Harcourt, Knt., of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire in favor of his son, William de Harcourt. He was one of the closest confidants of his cousin, Roger de Quincy, Earl of Winchester, witnessing 29 of the earl's surviving charters. SIR SAHER DE SAINT ANDREW was living in 1253, when he was involved in litigation regarding property at Corby, Lincolnshire. In 1260 his widow, Maud, had quittance of common summons in Cambridgeshire. Throsby Thoroton's Hist. of Nottinghamshire 1 (1790): 34-42 (Saint Andrew ped.). Dugdale Monasticon Anglicanum 4 (1823): 492 (charter of Saher de Saint Andrew to Littlemore Nunnery, Oxfordshire; charter names the grantor's "uncle" [avunculi] [Saher de Quincy] Earl of Winchester, and the grantor's son Robert de Quincy and his [Robert's] brothers [Roberti de Quinci filii mei, et fratrum suorum]), 493. Mundy Vis. of Nottingham 1569 & 1614 (H.S.P. 4) (1871): 78- 81 (St. Andrew ped). Notes & Queries 4th Ser. 11 (1873): 305-308 ("The notes of Dr. Joseph Robertson ... are confirmed by original charters of Saher, Earl of Winton ... In these, Orabelle is mentioned as Saber's mother, and Roger de St. Andrew and Seher de St. Andrew as his nephews."). Birch Cat. of Seals in the British Museum 2 (1892): 397 (seal of Maud de Saint Andrew dated c.1270-Pointed oval. In long dress, flat head-dress, in the right hand a fleur-de-lis, in the left hand a large shield of arms. Standing on a corbel. Arms: seven mascles, three, three, and one, a label of four points, ST. ANDREW. Legend: * S' MATILDIS : DE : SANCTO : ANDREA. Beaded borders.). C.P.R. 1225-1232 (1903): 358. Dowden Chartulary of the Abbey of Lindores 1195-1479 (1903): 98-99 (undated charter of Sir Serbo [recte Saher] de Saint Andrew]. MSS of the Duke of Rutland 4 (Hist. MSS Comm. 24) (1905): 9 (charter of Richard de Harcourt dated c.1250; charter witnessed by Sir Roger de Quincy, Earl of Winchester, Sir Robert de Quincy, and Sir Saher de Saint Andrew). Lindsay et al. Charters, Bulls & Other Docs. rel. the Abbey of Inchaffray (Scottish Hist. Soc. 56) (1908): 199-200, 281. Macray Coll. of Brackly Deeds at Magdalen College, Oxford (1910): 13. Leys Sandford Cartulary 1 (Oxfordshire Rec. Soc. 19) (1938): 67-68, 69-70 (confirmation charter of Saher de Saint Andrew dated c. 1236); 2 (Oxfordshire Rec. Soc. 22) (1941): 253-254. Jenkins Cal. of the Rolls of the Justices on Eyre 1227 (Buckinghamshire Arch. Soc. 6) (1945): 1, 18-19. Hatton Book of Seals (1950): 11-13, 13-14, 47-48, 288-289. Paget Baronage of England (1957): 464:2 (sub Quincy). Stringer Essays on the Nobility of Medieval Scotland (1985): 102-129. Dugdale Vis. of Nottinghamshire 1662-4 (H.S.P. n.s. 5) (1986): 19-21. Maddicott Simon de Montfort (1996): 64. Oxford, Magdalene College, Whitfield 13 (1), (2).
  
  b. ROGER DE SAINT ANDREW, Knt., of Littlemore, Oxfordshire, Collessie, Fife, etc. About 1210-18 he granted the Hospital at Brackley, Northamptonshire 40s. of rent from his land at Collessie, Fife in Scotland. He and his brother, Saher, joined the baronial revolt against King John and Roger was imprisoned in 1216-17. Before 1224 he was granted land at Littlemore, Oxfordshire by Margaret, Countess of Winchester. He was troubled by debts in 1227 and 1228. He served in the Brittany expedition in 1230. Before 1235 he made grants of lands in Littlemore, Oxfordshire to Garendon Abbey and Brackley Hospital. He also granted lands at Collessie, Fife to Brackley Hospital. Soon after 1235 he granted the manor of Littlemore, Oxfordshire to the Templars. SIR ROGER DE SAINT ANDREW was probably dead before 1249. Notes & Queries 4th Ser. 11 (1873): 305-308. Fourth Rpt. (Hist. MSS Comm. 3) (1874): 460. Lindsay et al. Charters, Bulls & Other Docs. Rel. the Abbey of Inchaffray (Scottish Hist. Soc. 56) (1908): 281. Les Sandford Cartulary 1 (Oxfordshire Rec. Soc. 19) (1938): 67-68, 68-69 (charter of Roger de Saint Andrew dated c. 1230), 69 (letters patent of Roger de Saint Andrew dated c.1230), 71-74. VCH 0xford 5 (1957): 208. Stringer Essays on the Nobility of Medieval Scotland (1985): 102-129.”
  
  BIO
  BIO: from http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL2.htm#SaherQuincydied1219A as of 4/18/2016
  
  ROBERT ([1140]-after 1200). He went to Scotland and through his first marriage obta
  
  === MISC: Robert de Quincy, d. ca. 1198), Lo ===
  MISC: Robert de Quincy, d. ca. 1198), Lord of Buckley and of Fawside, Crusader; m. Orabella , dau. of Ness; and grandson of Maud de St. Liz by her 2nd husb., Saher de Quincy of Buckle y and Daventy[TIMS FILE.FTW]
  
  m. (2) Eve. CP: Cousin to Robert FitzWalter.In the reign of King Henry II, Saier de Quincy ha d a grant from the crown of the manor of Bushby, co. Northampton, formerly the property of An selme de Conchis. He m. Maud de St. Liz, and had two sons, Robert and Saier de Quincy. [Sir B ernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., Londo n, 1883, p. 447, Quincy, Earls of Winchester]
  
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  === ROBERT ([1140]-after 1200). ===
  ROBERT ([1140]-after 1200). He went to Scotland and through his first marriage obtained lands in Fife, Perth and Lothian, and was granted the castle of Forfar by his cousin (through his mother) William "the Lion" King of Scotland. He accompanied Richard I King of England on crusade in 1190 and participated in the capture of Antioch in Jul 1191[20]. The Red Book of the Exchequer, listing scutage payments in [1194/95], records "in perdonis Roberto de Quency, xl s de scutagio suo de Bukkeby" in Northamptonshire and granted delay in payment per brevia in Buckinghamshire, Bedfordshire[21]. "…Robertus de Quinci, Seierus de Quinci…" were the first two lay witnesses (signing before the members of the donors´ family) of the charter dated 1200 which records the foundation of Inchaffray Abbey by "Gilbertus filius Ferthead…comes de Stradern et…Matilidis filia Willelmi de Aubengni comitissa"[22]. The connection between the Quincy family and the earls of Strathearn has not yet been established. m firstly ([1160/70], separated) as her first husband, ORABILIS, daughter of NES of Mar & his wife --- (-before 30 Jun 1203). "Nesius filius Willi et Orabile filia sua heres" donated "ecclesiam de Losresc" to St Andrew´s priory by undated charter[23]. Her first marriage is confirmed by the undated charter under which her son "Seherus de Quency comes Wintonie" donated "totam terram de Duglyn", held by "Nesus filius Willelmi avus meus" to Cambuskenneth priory[24]. She married secondly [Morgund] Earl of Mar. Her second marriage is indicated by the undated charter under which "Orabilis comitissa de Mar filia Nesii filii Willi" confirmed the donation of "ecclesiam de Lochres" made by "pater meus Nesius filius Willi" to St Andrew´s priory, witnessed by "Duncano comite de Fif…"[25]. The question of the precise identity of Orabilis´s second husband is discussed in the document SCOTLAND MORMAERS, EARLS & LORDS. She married thirdly Adam of Fife. Her third marriage is indicated by the undated charter under which "Nesius filius Willelmi" donated "ecclesiam de Lochres" to St Andrew´s priory witnessed by "Dunecano comite de Fif…Adam filio Dunec et Horabili sponsa sua…"[26]. There seems little doubt that the witness was Orabilis, daughter of the donor, and her third husband as the name is so unusual. "Orabilis filia et heres Dñi Nesii" donated property to St Andrew´s priory by undated charter witnessed by "…Patricio filio Nesii, Dunc filio Elin…"[27]. "Orabilis filia et heres Dñi Nesii" donated "Davach ictar Hathyn" to St Andrew´s priory by undated charter witnessed by "…G. com de Mar…Patricio filio Nesii, Duncan filio Emelin…"[28]. Pope Innocent III confirmed the possessions of Inchaffray Abbey, including the donation of land "in territorio de Gasgt" by "quondam Orable matris Seer de Quinci", by bull dated 30 Jun 1203[29]. Orabilis presumably died before her first husband, given the undated charter under which her son "Seerus de Quinci" confirmed the donation of "Davac Icthar Hathyn" made by "matris mea" to St Andrew´s priory which was witnessed by "…Roberto de Quincy patre meo…"[30]. m secondly as her first husband, EVA, daughter of ---. "Eua quondam uxor Roberti de Quinci" donated property "de Edmundesten" to Melrose abbey, for the souls of "dominorum meorum Robti de Quinci et Walteri de Berkeley et Rolandi fratris mei et Johis filii mei et Christine sororis mee", to Melrose abbey by undated charter[31]. Eva was the sister of Christine, wife of William de Brus of Annandale (see the document SCOTLAND KINGS) and second wife of Patrick Earl of Dunbar (see SCOTLAND, MORMAERS, EARLS & LORDS). She married secondly Walter de Berkeley. Robert & his first wife had one child:
  
  !SOURCE: Spouse sealing: film #1760810.
  
  !CHILDREN: another son shown as Simon de
  
  === Royal Ancestry Biography ===
  “Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
  “___ DE CLARE, married in 1171 ROBERT DE QUINCY, Constable of Leinster. They had one daughter, Maud. ROBERT DE QUINCY was killed by O'Dempsey and the Irish of Offaly.
  Orpen Song of Dermot & the Earl (1892): 285 ("Robert de Quency is not mentioned by Giraldus, though an important personage. From this poem we learn that Strongbow gave him his daughter in marriage [2743], the district of `le Duftir' i.e. the Duffry in Co. Wexford [2748], and the constableship of Leinster [2749]. He was afterwards killed by O'Dempsey and the Irish of Offaly [2408]. He left one daughter, Maud, afterwards married to Philip de Prendergast [2819, see note]. His name appears as a witness to the Foundation Charter from Earl Richard to St. Mary's Abbey, Dunbrody. See Chart. St. Mary’s, Dub., R.S. ii. 154. This would seem to fix the date of this charter, and consequently of Hervey's Charter, to which it refers, in 1172, and not in 1175, as suggested by Mr. Gilbert in the preface; id. p. lxxiii."). C.P. 10 (1945): Appendix H, 100-104 (sub Families of the First and Second Earls of Pembroke).”
  
  === SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 S ===
  SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 SO.68) P.28, 32, 42;
  
  === Robert de Quincy, d. c 1198, Lord of Buc ===
  Robert de Quincy, d. c 1198, Lord of Buckley and Fawside, Crusader; m. Orabella, daughter of Ness; son of Maud de St Liz by her 2nd husband, Saher de Quincy of Buckley and Daventry. [Ancestral Roots}
  
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  Weis" "Ancestral Roots. . ." (53:27).
  
  His older brother, Saher II, inherited the English estates from SAHER I. Robert started appearing in Scottish records around 1165. His career was doubtless advanced by his second cousins Malcolm and WILLIAM THE LION (RIN 1913), successively kings of Scotland, and it was certainly KING WILLIAM who granted to him the site of the old castle of Forfar and a toft in Haddington. While his brother Saher II was serving HENRY II as a justice in Normandy, Robert was acting as Justiciar of Scotland, an office which he held from 1171 to 1178. Royal favour may also have brought about his marriage, at a date unknown, to a notable heiress, ORABILE, daughter of NESS son of WILLIAM. Her father, a prominent but ill-documented figure, was apparently a first-generation Norman-Scot. ORABILE was heir to her father's lands, to the exclusion of his sons Constantine and Patrick, and thus brought to Robert estates at Gask and Deuglie, in Perthshire, at Leuchars, Lathrisk, Beath and elsewhere in Fife, and at Tranent, in Lothian. This fortunate marriage helped to raise Robert in a short time to a level of importance in Scotland greater than the relatively minor position which his brother Saher II held in English society.Twelfth-century Scotland was a land of opportunity and a vigorous younger son such as Robert de Quincy could make there a name which might become known well beyond the bounds of the small northern kingdom. In 1190 Robert joined King Richard I on the Third Crusade, was constable of a force to take aid to Antioch in 1191 and in the same year was sent with HUGH III, DUKE OF BURGUNDY (RIN 3796) to Tyre to collect prisoners from PHILIP AUGUSTUS, KING OF FRANCE (RIN 3163). On his return from the crusade, Robert took part in Richard I's campaigns in Normandy in 1194 and 1196. On the death of his nephew Saher III, before 1192, Robert succeeded to the English estates of the family's main line and added these to his Scottish possessions. By the time of his death, which took place before Michaelmas, 1197, he had proved himself as a knight of wide experience and had established his position as an Anglo-Scottish baron of some prominence. The marriage of Robert and ORABILE was apparently ended by a separation. She later married Gilchrist, earl of Mar, while Robert married a lady named Eve, who may possibly have been of the family of the lords of Galloway. The matrimonial complexities of this sitmaction have caused a controversy which need not be entered upon here.
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  === Divorced ===
  He divorced his wife she remarried twice afterwards.
  
  === NOTES: his family shield is painted on t ===
  NOTES: his family shield is painted on the walls of Westminster Abbey, London, England. !BIRTH: date also shown as abt. 1150.
  
  === !SOURCE: ANCESTRAL ROOTS OF SIXTY COLON ===
  !SOURCE: ANCESTRAL ROOTS OF SIXTY COLONISTS WHO CAME TO NEW ENGLAND BETWEEN 1623 AND 1650, 6TH ED 1988, PG 62 LINE 53 ITEM 27
  
  === From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 J ===
  From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.
  
  === Line from "Royal Ancestors of Magna Char ===
  Line from "Royal Ancestors of Magna Charta Barons," Carr P. Collins (Dallas, 1959), pp.208-09. Robert appears as a witness in some of the charters of Malcolm IV. Cf. "Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants," Aileen Lewers Langston & J. Orton Buck, Jr., p. 49.
  
  === REF: Weis: Ancestral Roots of Certain Am ===
  REF: Weis: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists 54-28. Lord of Buckley and of Fawside, Crusader.
  
  === My PAF Notes ===
  from thepeerage.com, 2/2009:
  Robert de Quency1
  M, #189884, b. before 1163, d. circa 1197 Last Edited=4 May 2006
  Robert de Quency was born before 1163.1 He married, firstly, Orable (?) , daughter of Nes (?) . He married, secondly, Eve (?) .2 He died circa 1197.1
  Child of Robert de Quency and Orable (?)
  Saher de Quency, 1st Earl of Winchester + d. 3 Nov 12191
  Citations
  [S6 ] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume XII/2, page 747. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.
  [S6 ] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume XII/2, page 748.
  
  === MISC: Robert de Quincy, d. ca. 1198), L ===
  MISC: Robert de Quincy, d. ca. 1198), Lord of Buckley and o f Fawside, Crusader; m. Orabella , dau. of Ness; and grands on of Maud de St. Liz by her 2nd husb., Saher de Quincy o f Buckle y and Daventy[TIMS FILE.FTW] m. (2) Eve. CP: Cousin to Robert FitzWalter. !DEATH:Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th E dition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, addi t i o n s by Walter L ee Shippar, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists , 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, addi t i o n s by W alter Lee Shippar, 53-27 !DEATH:TIMS FILE.FTW _PAREN: Y, TIMS FILE.FTW _PAREN: Y !GENERAL:Ancestral File (Edna Anderson) _PAREN: Y, Ancestral File (Edna Anderson) _PAREN: Y !GENERAL:Ancestral Roots Of Sixty Colonists Who Came To Ne w England Between 1623 And 1650 _PAREN: Y, Ancestral Roots Of Sixty Colonists Who Came To N ew England Between 1623 And 1650 _PAREN: Y, Weis, Frederick Lewis, Genealogical Publishing C o. Inc., 1992 !GENERAL:Benjamin Maulsby And Rhoda Williams Backward And F orward _PAREN: Y, Benjamin Maulsby And Rhoda Williams Backward An d Forward _PAREN: Y, Roberts, G. Ann, (a Private Publishing) 1990 !GENERAL:GEDCOM file imported on 23 Mar 2003., GEDCOM fil e imported on 23 Mar 2003.
  
  === Sources: Norr; Kraentzler 1117, 1123; An ===
  Sources: Norr; Kraentzler 1117, 1123; Ancestral Roots 53. Roots: Robert de Quincy, Lord of Buckley and Fawside, Crusader. K: Robert de Quency, Lord of Fife, Perth and Lothian. Constable atAntioch. K. leaves this generation out in lines 1103 and 1112.
  
  === "m 1162, Orable Louchers, p. 49, Vol II ===
  "m 1162, Orable Louchers, p. 49, Vol II op. cit (Saher De Quincy) "m 1162, Orable Louchers, p. 49, Vol II op. cit (Saher De Quincy) "m 1162, Orable Louchers, p. 49, Vol II op. cit (Saher De Quincy) "m 1162, Orable Louchers, p. 49, Vol II op. cit (Saher De Quincy)
  
  === !SOURCES: 1. Eng V Vol VII p. 520, 670, ===
  !SOURCES: 1. Eng V Vol VII p. 520, 670, 677 2. Complete Peerage 942 D24c
  
  === Accompanied King Richard I to the Holy L ===
  Accompanied King Richard I to the Holy Land in 1190.
  Hist first wife, from whom he was "apparently separated" (CP), was Oracle. CP makes her the mother of Saher. However, according to Domesday Descendants, Saher's mother was his second wife Hawise, and the correctness of this statement is strongly suggested both by Saher's inheritance of Hawise's dower lands, and by naming a daughter Hawise.
  
  === Robert de Quincy, Lord of Buckby and Faw ===
  Robert de Quincy, Lord of Buckby and Fawside
  Died before Michaelmas (Feast of St. Michael, September 29) 1197
  References:
  AR 53-27
  CP XII/2 pg. 747-748
  letter signed by Eliza S. Quincy and dated June 17, 1844 that refers to Robert as the father of Magna Charta Surety Saher de Quincy.
  The Dictionary of National Biography, (Sidney Lee, editor; London, 1894) suggests that Robert de Quincy may have been an older brother of Saher de Quincy, but allows that he may also have been Saher de Quincy's eldest son! He was, in fact, a younger son of Saher de Quincy (I) and a younger brother of Saher de Quincy (II).
  Robert seems to have gone to Scotland in his youth for he witnessed a charter there which may date from 1163. He was granted the ancient castle of Forfar by his cousin, William (I) the Lion of Scotland . He accompanied King Richard (I) to the Holy Land in 1190; and he fought in Normandy in 1194 and 1196.
  Robert de Quincy married Orabella, a daughter of Ness who was a son of William, Lord of Leuchars.
  Robert and Orabella had the following children:
  Saher de Quincy (IV)
  Robert de Quincy who died before 1232, was a younger brother of Saher de Quincy (IV), and is sometimes confused (as in The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 MC 107-2) with his nephew, also Robert de Quincy. (CP XII/2 pg. 748, note (g)) Robert married Hawise of Chester, Countess of Lincoln and they had a daughter:
  Margaret de Quincy who married Magna Charta Surety John de Lacy; (MC 107-3)their daughter:
  Maud de Lacy who married Richard de Clare . MC 107-4
  Robert married secondly to Eve who survived him and was the widow of or married secondly to Walter de Berkeley, Chamberlain of Scotland.
  
  === SOLREY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 S ===
  SOLREY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 SO68) P.20, 22; ANCESTAL FILE, LDS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY;
  
  === Line from "Royal Ancestors of Magna Cha ===
  Line from "Royal Ancestors of Magna Charta Barons," Carr P. Collins (Dallas, 1959), pp.208-09. Robert appears as a witness in some of the charters of Malcolm IV. Cf. "Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants," Aileen Lewers Langston & J. Orton Buck, Jr., p. 49. --------------------------- The Following was taken from Jim Stevens' website : http://www.gendex.com/users/jast/ Weis" "Ancestral Roots. . ." (53:27). His older brother, Saher II, inherited the English estates from SAHER I. Robert started appearing in Scottish records around 1165. His career was doubtless advanced by his second cousins Malcolm and WILLIAM THE LION (RIN 1913), successively kings of Scotland, and it was certainly KING WILLIAM who granted to him the site of the old castle of Forfar and a toft in Haddington. While his brother Saher II was serving HENRY II as a justice in Normandy, Robert was acting as Justiciar of Scotland, an office which he held from 1171 to 1178. Royal favour may also have brought about his marriage, at a date unknown, to a notable heiress, ORABILE, daughter of NESS son of WILLIAM. Her father, a prominent but ill-documented figure, was apparently a first-generation Norman-Scot. ORABILE was heir to her father's lands, to the exclusion of his sons Constantine and Patrick, and thus brought to Robert estates at Gask and Deuglie, in Perthshire, at Leuchars, Lathrisk, Beath and elsewhere in Fife, and at Tranent, in Lothian. This fortunate marriage helped to raise Robert in a short time to a level of importance in Scotland greater than the relatively minor position which his brother Saher II held in English society. Twelfth-century Scotland was a land of opportunity and a vigorous younger son such as Robert de Quincy could make there a name which might become known well beyond the bounds of the small northern kingdom. In 1190 Robert joined King Richard I on the Third Crusade, was constable of a force to take aid to Antioch in 1191 and in the same year was sent wit h HUGH III, DUKE OF BURGUNDY (RIN 3796) to Tyre to collect prisoners from PHILIP AUGUSTUS, KING OF FRANCE (RIN 3163). On his return from the crusade, Robert took part in Richard I's campaigns in Normandy in 1194 and 1196. On the death of his nephew Saher III, before 1192, Robert succeeded to the English estates of the family's main line and added these to his Scottish possessions. By the time of his death, which took place before Michaelmas, 1197, he had proved himself as a knight of wide experience and had established his position as an Anglo-Scottish baron of some prominence. The marriage of Robert and ORABILE was apparently ended by a separation. She later married Gilchrist, earl of Mar, while Robert married a lady named Eve, who may possibly have been of the family of the lords of Galloway. The matrimonial complexities of this situation have caused a controversy which need not be entered upon here.
  
  === -Received a grant from Henry II of the m ===
  -Received a grant from Henry II of the manor of Buchby or Bushby, Northamptonshire. -------------------------- References: 1) Blue 41, page 122 (says Robert married Maud St. Liz). 2) Blue 43, page 112 (says that Robert de Quincey married "Orabilis". I normally favor John Wurts, but in this case will use Chas. Browning, as I wished to include the longer lineage in this record)
  
  === SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 S ===
  SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 SO.68) P.22, 34; THEPLANTAGENET ANCESRY (GS NUMBER Q940 D2T) P.143;
  
  === !GENERAL:Ancestral File (R), Ancestral ===
  !GENERAL:Ancestral File (R), Ancestral File (R), The Churc h of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Copyright (c) 1987 , June 1998, data as of 5 January 1998
  
  === !GENERAL:Pedigree Resource File CD 4, Pe ===
  !GENERAL:Pedigree Resource File CD 4, Pedigree Resource File CD 4, (Salt Lake City, UT: Intellectual Reserve, Inc., 1999) !GENERAL:Ancestral File (TM), Ancestral File (TM), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, June 1998 (c), data as of 5 JAN 1998 Repository: Family History Library 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, UT 84150 USA !GENERAL:Ancestral File (TM), Ancestral File (TM), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, June 1998 (c), data as of 5 JAN 1998 Repository: Family History Library 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, UT 84150 USA
  
  === PEDIGREES OF SOME OF THE EMPEROR CHARLEM ===
  PEDIGREES OF SOME OF THE EMPEROR CHARLEMAGNE'S DESCENDANTS, Vol. 2, Page 49. Robert I De QUINCY, d. bef. 1197; m. 1162, Orable LOUCHERS, d. bef. June 30, 1203.
  
  === Lord of Buckley and of Fawside; Crusader ===
  Lord of Buckley and of Fawside; Crusader. He accompanied Richard Ito the Holy Land in 1190; was Constable of a force to take aid toAntioch July 1191; was sent with the Duke of Burgundy to Tyre tocollect prisoners from Philip Augustus; and also fought in Normandy in1194 and 1196.
  
  === His older brother, Saher II, inherited ===
  His older brother, Saher II, inherited the English estates from SAHER I. Robert started appearing in Scottish records around 1165. His career was doubtless advanced by his second cousins Malcolm and WILLIAM THE LION (RIN 1913), successively kings of Scotland, and it was certainly KING WILLIAM who granted to him the site of the old castle of Forfar and a toft in Haddington. While his brother Saher II was serving HENRY II as a justice in Normandy, Robert was acting as Justiciar of Scotland, an office which he held from 1171 to 1178. Royal favour may also have brought about his marriage, at a date unknown, to a notable heiress, ORABILE, daughter of NESS son of WILLIAM. Her father, a prominent but ill-documented figure, was apparently a first-generation Norman-Scot. ORABILE was heir to her father's lands, to the exclusion of his sons Constantine and Patrick, and thus brought to Robert estates at Gask and Deuglie, in Perthshire, at Leuchars, Lathrisk, Beath and elsewhere in Fife, and at Tranent, in Lothian. This fortunate marriage helped to raise Robert in a short time to a level of importance in Scotland greater than the relatively minor position which his brother Saher II held in English society. Twelfth-century Scotland was a land of opportunity and a vigorous younger son such as Robert de Quincy could make there a name which might become known well beyond the bounds of the small northern kingdom. In 1190 Robert joined King Richard I on the Third Crusade, was constable of a force to take aid to Antioch in 1191 and in the same year was sent with HUGH III, DUKE OF BURGUNDY (RIN 3796) to Tyre to collect prisoners from PHILIP AUGUSTUS, KING OF FRANCE (RIN 3163). On his return from the crusade, Robert took part in Richard I's campaigns in Normandy in 1194 and 1196. On the death of his nephew Saher III, before 1192, Robert succeeded to the English estates of the family's main line and added these to his Scottish possessions. By the time of his death, which took place befor e Michaelmas, 1197, he had proved himself as a knight of wide experience and had established his position as an Anglo-Scottish baron of some prominence. The marriage of Robert and ORABILE was apparently ended by a separation. She later married Gilchrist, earl of Mar, while Robert married a lady named Eve, who may possibly have been of the family of the lords of Galloway. The matrimonial complexities of this situation have caused a controversy which need not be entered upon here.
  
  === !The New England Historical and Genealog ===
  !The New England Historical and Genealogical Register Vol CXII Jan 1958 was a crusader with Richard Coeur de Lion in 1191
  
  === Source: Burke, Dormant & Extinct Peerage ===
  Source: Burke, Dormant & Extinct Peerages, 447.
  
  === !SOURCES: 942 D2 bb p 47-49 vol 3 Battle ===
  !SOURCES: 942 D2 bb p 47-49 vol 3 Battle Abbey Rolls; 942 M 23b p 92-93; Q 942 D22dwp 686, 688 vol 1; Dugdales Baronage of Eng. 942 D 22; b.u.g. p 447 Peerage of British Isles 1883; 942 D24c p 745-48 vol 12 pt 2; Comp. Peerage 942 Ben 58 vol 2 p 129, 171; Notes & Queries T 1 B.

• m. ABT 1152 in Brackley, Northamptonshire, England

1. Saher de Quincy 1st Earl of Winchester, b. 1155 in Buckley, Lancashire, England     d. 3 NOV 1219 in Damietta, Egypt killed 5th Crusade

1. Saer IV 1st Earl of Winchester de Quincy Magna Carta, b. 2 MAR 1155 in Winchester, Hampshire, England     d. 13 NOV 1219 in Damietta, On Way to Holy Land, Palestine, Crusades

1. Title: Robert DeQuincy- English Nobility
   Author: Robert DeQuincy, England Earls 1207-1466, FMG.ac
   Publication: Name: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL2.htm#RobertQuincydied1217;
   
2. Title: Saher IV de Quincy in Medieval Lands Project
   Author: Online.
   Publication: Name: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL2.htm#SaherQuincydied1219A;
   Note: Biography. SAHER [IV] de Quincy, son of ROBERT de Quincy & his first wife Orabilis of Mar ([1165/70]-Damietta 3 Nov 1219, bur Acre) He was created Earl of Winchester before 10 Feb 1207. He supported the barons against King John and was one of the 25 men chosen in Jun 1215 to enforce obedience of Magna Carta, being excommunicated by the Pope in Dec 1215. He supported the barons against King John and was one of the 25 men chosen in Jun 1215 to enforce obedience of Magna Carta, being excommunicated by the Pope in Dec 1215. He joined the Crusade in 1219 and died at the siege of Damietta. His heart being burned and later buried at Garendon. m (before 1190) MARGARET of Leicester, daughter of ROBERT de Beaumont Earl of Leicester & his wife Pernelle de Grantmesnil. Saher [IV] & his wife had [eight] children.
   Page: Info on Roger.
   
3. Title: Our royal, titled, noble and commoner ancestors
   Author: Citations [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 403-405. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. II, p. 644. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 434. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. II, p. 643. [S11772] Unknown author, Foundation for Medieval Genealogy, Vol. II (2), p. 112-134. "Nes Fitz William and the Earls of Fife: the Origin of the House of Fife 962-1129". Written by MichaelAnne Guido.
   Publication: Name: https://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p165.htm#i4948;
   Note: Robert de Quincy, Justiciar of Lothian1,2,3 Last Edited 4 Apr 2020 M, #4948, b. circa 1140, d. between 1206 and 1208 Father Saire de Quincey, Lord Bradenham4,3 d. 1190 Mother Maud de St. Liz4,3 b. c 1094, d. bt 1158 - 1165 Robert de Quincy, Justiciar of Lothian Lord Buckley and Fawside. He married Orabilis de Mar, daughter of Ralph (Nes) FitzWilliam de Mar; They had 1 son (Sir Saher, 1st Earl of Winchester) & 1 daughter ((unnamed), wife of (Mr.) de St. Andrew). She married (1) Gilchrist, Earl of Mar.1,2,3,5 Robert de Quincy, Justiciar of Lothian was born circa 1140 at of Tranent, Fawside, & Longniddry, East Lothian, Scotland.3 He died between 1206 and 1208.3 Family Orabilis de Mar d. b 30 Jun 1203 Child Sir Saher de Quincy, Magna Carta Baron, 1st Earl of Wincester, Constable of Fotheringhay Castle, Keeper of Canford & Hedingham Castles+1,3 b. c 1160, d. 3 Nov 1219
   
4. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists
   Author: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr, Page number: 53-27
   Note: death: before 29 September 1197; England ABBR Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr. death: before 29 September 1197; England ABBR Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr.
   Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:3244749137
   
5. Title: Robert de Quincy, Constable of Leinster in "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors"
   Author: https://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p399.htm#i11980 Citation: [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 427.
   Publication: Name: https://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p399.htm#i11980;
   Note: Robert de Quincy, Constable of Leinster He was killed by O'Dempsey and the Irish of Offaly.1 He married Basilie de Clare, daughter of Richard 'Strongbow' de Clare, 2nd Earl of Pembroke, Earl of Striguil, Justiciar of Ireland, Lord Netherwent, Lord Leicester, Lord of Bienfaite & Orbec in Normandy, in 1171.1 Family: Basilie de Clare Child: Maud de Quincy+1 b. 1172 or 1173
   
6. Title: Book - The East Newk of Fife : Its History & antiquities
   
7. Title: Robert de Quincy, Wikipedia
   Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_de_Quincy;
   Note: Sir Robert de Quincy (born c.1140-died c.1197), Justiciar of Lothian was a 12th-century English and Scottish noble. Quincy was a son of Saer de Quincy and Matilda de Senlis. He served as joint Justiciar of Lothian serving from 1171 to 1178. Robert accompanied King Richard I of England on the Third Crusade in 1190. Returning from the crusade, Robert took part in Richard I's campaigns in Normandy in 1194 and 1196. Robert married firstly Arabella, daughter of Nes fitz William, Lord of Leuchars and are known to have had a son: Saher de Quincy (died 1219), married Margaret de Beaumont, had issue. After his marriage with Arabella was annulled, he married secondly Basillia (Eve) de Clare, daughter of Richard Fitz Gilbert de Clare.
   
8. Title: Medieval Lands, "Saher [II] de Quincy"
   Publication: Name: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL2.htm#SaherQuincydied1190;
   Note: SAHER [II] ([1138]-[1190/92]). “Seherus de Quinci” donated property to Dunmow Priory, for the soul of “Saheri filii mei”, by undated charter witnessed by “Richardus, et Quincy…”[13]. Military fee certifications in the Red Book of the Exchequer, in 1166, record that "Saerius de Quincy" held one and one half knights´ fees from "Roberti de Chokes" in Northamptonshire[14]. m (1163) as her second husband, ASCELINE Peverel, widow of GEOFFREY de Waterville [Wateville], daughter of ROBERT [Pain] Peverel & his wife [Adelisia ---] (-before 1190). A manuscript history of the foundation of Barwell Priory names “quatuor sorores…Pagani filias…primogenita Mathildis de Doure…Alicia…Roisia…Ascelina de Waterville” as the heiresses of “Gul. Peverell filius Pagani”, adding that Asceline was mother of “duæ filiæ…Ascelina de Waterville et Matildis de Diva”[15]. "Willielmus Peverel de Dovera" donated Bradford mill, donated by "dominus Walchelinus Maminot" for the soul of "Rogeri de Haia", to Haughmond abbey by charter dated to [1141/48], witnessed by "…Matilla mea conjuge, Matilla de Dovera mea sorore, Acelina mea sorore…"[16]. "G. de Waltervilla" granted his part of "Herchalun…et…meam partem de feudo Hugonis de Laci" to "Willielmo de Hetlehe", with the consent of "Acelinæ uxoris meæ et Radulfi filii mei", by charter dated to [1155/62], which names "Hamo Piperellus avunculus uxoris meæ"[17]. The primary source which confirms her second marriage has not yet been identified. Saher [II] & his wife had one child: a) SAHER [III] (-[1190/92]). Benedict of Peterborough names "…Saerus de Quincy juvenis…" among the original supporters of Henry the young king against his father King Henry II[18]. "…Seherio de Quince juniori…" witnessed the charter dated to [1173] under which King Henry, son of King Henry II, confirmed privileges of the church of Préaux[19].
   
9. Title: Wikipedia - Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester and Robert de Quincy, husband of Orabilis
   Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saer_de_Quincy,_1st_Earl_of_Winchester;
   
10. Title: Sir Robert de Quincy in the UK and Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1300s-Current
    Author: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/111309627/robert-de-quincy
    Publication: Name: http://search.ancestry.com/collections/60526/records/254258;
    Note: Name: Sir Robert de Quincy Birth Date: 1186 Birth Place: Winchester, City of Winchester, Hampshire, England Death Date: 1217 Death Place: London, City of London, Greater London, England Cemetery: Church of The Hospitallers Burial or Cremation Place: Clerkenwell, London Borough of Islington, Greater London, England Has Bio?: Y Father: Saher de Quincy Mother: Margaret de Quincy
    

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