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Judith Orabilis FitzNess of Leuchars


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Father: Leuchars Ness, b. 1107 in Scotland   d. BET 1135 AND 1161 in Scotland
Mother: Maud Leuchars, b. 1108 in Leuchars, Fife, Scotland   d. 1180 in Leuchars, Fife, Scotland

Family 1: Morggan Mac Gylocher 2nd Earl of Mar,    b. 1115 in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland    d. 30 MAR 1182 in Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire, Scotland
Family 2: Adam of Fife ,    b. ABT 1145 in Fife, Scotland    d. AFT 1183 in Fife, Scotland
Family 3: Robert de Quincy,    b. 1127 in Long Buckby, Northamptonshire, England, United Kingdom    d. 29 SEP 1197 in Buckley Manor, Northamptonshire, England
  1. Saher de Quincy 1st Earl of Winchester, b. 1155 in Buckley, Lancashire, England     d. 3 NOV 1219 in Damietta, Egypt killed 5th Crusade
Sources:
  1. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain Americian Colonists
    Author: Ancestral Roots of Certain Americian Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr, Page number: 53-27
    Note: Source Media Type: Book
    Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2736741115
  2. Title: Robert de Quincy From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_de_Quincy#Marriage_and_issue;
    Note: Sir Robert de Quincy (c. 1140 – c. 1197), Justiciar of Lothian, was a 12th-century English and Scottish noble. Contents 1 Life 2 Marriage and issue 3 Citations 4 References 5 External links Life Quincy was a son of Saer de Quincy and Matilda de Senlis.[1] Robert was granted the castle of Forfar and a toft in Haddington by King William of Scotland, his cousin. He served as joint Justiciar of Lothian serving from 1171 to 1178.[1] Robert accompanied King Richard I of England on the Third Crusade in 1190. He led a force to take aid to Antioch in 1191 and also collected prisoners from Tyre.[2] Returning from the crusade, Robert took part in Richard I's campaigns in Normandy in 1194 and 1196. He succeeded to the English estates of his nephew Saer in 1192.[1] Marriage and issue Robert married, firstly, Orabilis, daughter of Nes fitz William, Lord of Leuchars,[3] and the couple are known to have had the following issue: Saher de Quincy – Magna Carta surety (died 1219 on the Fifth Crusade), married Margaret de Beaumont, had issue. After his marriage with Orabilis was annulled, he married, secondly, Basilia de Clare, daughter of Richard Fitz Gilbert de Clare. Citations Stringer 1985, p. 130. Macquarie 1997, p. 29. "Ness, son of William, lord of Leuchars (d.1178×83)". PEOPLE OF MEDIEVAL SCOTLAND 1093 - 1371. Retrieved 18 July 2021. References Fleming, Alexander & Mason, Roger. Scotland and the Flemish People. Birlinn Ltd, 2019. ISBN 9781788851466 Macquarie, Alan. Scotland and the Crusades, 1095-1560. John Donald, 1997. ISBN 9780859764452 Stringer, Keith John. Earl David of Huntingdon, 1152-1219: a study in Anglo-Scottish history. Edinburgh University Press, 1985. ISBN 9780852244869 External links People of Medieval Scotland 1093-1371 - Robert de Quincy (d.1200x01)
    Page: Identifies Orabilis as the daughter of Nes fitz William, Lord of Leuchars, and as the 1st wife of Sir Robert de Quincy (c. 1140 – c. 1197), Justiciar of Lothian. Together they had one son, Saher de Quincy (born about 1155) before the marriage was annulled.
  3. Title: Orable, daughter of Ness son of William - PEOPLE OF MEDIEVAL SCOTLAND 1093 - 1371
    Author: PoMS, no. 6664 (https://www.poms.ac.uk/record/person/6664/; accessed 22 September 2021)
    Publication: Name: https://www.poms.ac.uk/record/person/6664/;
    Note: Relationships, titles and transactions of Orable, daughter of Ness son of William Date Short Summary Role Source circa 1170 X 1178 Heir of Ness, son of William, lord of Leuchars (d.1178×83) (Familial relationship) subject (relationship) 3/346/1 (St A. Lib., 254-5) circa 1170 X 1178 Daughter of Ness, son of William, lord of Leuchars (d.1178×83) (Familial relationship) subject (relationship) 3/346/1 (St A. Lib., 254-5) 2 Apr. 1172 X 4 Aug. 1188 Daughter of Ness, son of William, lord of Leuchars (d.1178×83) (Familial relationship) subject (relationship) 3/18/8 (St A. Lib., 287-8) 2 Apr. 1172 X 4 Aug. 1188 Bride/betrothed (f.) (sponsa) of Adam, brother of Earl Duncan of Fife (father of Duncan) (Familial relationship) subject (relationship) 3/346/2 (St A. Lib., 287) 2 Apr. 1172 X 4 Aug. 1188 Daughter of Ness, son of William, lord of Leuchars (d.1178×83) (Familial relationship) subject (relationship) 3/346/3 (St A. Lib., 290-1) 2 Apr. 1172 X 4 Aug. 1188 Heir of Ness, son of William, lord of Leuchars (d.1178×83) (Familial relationship) subject (relationship) 3/346/3 (St A. Lib., 290-1) circa 1192 X 24 Mar. 1201 Mother of Saer de Quincy, earl of Winchester (d.1219) (Familial relationship) subject (relationship) 3/486/8 (St A. Lib., 291) 30 Jun. 1203 Mother of Saer de Quincy, earl of Winchester (d.1219) (Familial relationship) subject (relationship) 2/137/22 (Inchaff. Chrs., no. 21) 1217 X Spring 1219 Mother of Saer de Quincy, earl of Winchester (d.1219) (Familial relationship) subject (relationship) 3/23/11 (Inchaff. Chrs., App., no. 4a) 1217 X Spring 1219 Mother of Saer de Quincy, earl of Winchester (d.1219) (Familial relationship) subject (relationship) 3/23/10 (St A. Lib, 255-6) 22 Sept. 1257 Predecessor of Roger de Quincy, earl of Winchester (d.1264) (Tenurial & lordship relationship) subject (relationship) 3/23/29 (Simpson, de Quincy, no. 19) 22 Sept. 1257 Daughter of Ness, son of William, lord of Leuchars (d.1178×83) (Familial relationship) subject (relationship) 3/23/29 (Simpson, de Quincy, no. 19) 22 Sept. 1257 Heir of Ness, son of William, lord of Leuchars (d.1178×83) (Familial relationship) subject (relationship) 3/23/29 (Simpson, de Quincy, no. 19) 22 Sept. 1257 Daughter of Ness, son of William, lord of Leuchars (d.1178×83) (Familial relationship) subject (relationship) 3/23/30 (Simpson, de Quincy, no. 20) 22 Sept. 1257 Heir of Ness, son of William, lord of Leuchars (d.1178×83) (Familial relationship) subject (relationship) 3/23/30 (Simpson, de Quincy, no. 20) 22 Sept. 1257 Predecessor of Roger de Quincy, earl of Winchester (d.1264) (Tenurial & lordship relationship) subject (relationship) 3/23/30 (Simpson, de Quincy, no. 20)
    Page: Identifies Orable as: the daughter and heir of Nes; the mother of Saer de Quincy; spouse of Adam of Fife; the Countess of Mar.
  4. Title: Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saer_de_Quincy,_1st_Earl_of_Winchester;
    Note: Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester (c. 1155 – 3 November 1219) was one of the leaders of the baronial rebellion against John, King of England, and a major figure in both the kingdoms of Scotland and England in the decades around the turn of the twelfth and thirteenth centuries. Contents 1 Scottish Upbringing 2 Earl of Winchester 3 Magna Carta 4 The Fifth Crusade 5 Family 5.1 Issue 6 References 7 Sources 8 Background reading 9 External links Scottish Upbringing Although he was an Anglo-Norman, Saer de Quincy's father, Robert de Quincy, had married and held important lordships in the Scottish kingdom of his cousin King William the Lion. His mother, Orabilis, was the heiress of the lordship of Leuchars and through her Robert became lord over lands in Fife, Perth and Lothian (see below).[1] Saer's own rise to prominence in England came partly through his marriage to Margaret, the younger sister of Robert de Beaumont, Earl of Leicester.[2] Earl Robert died in 1204, and left Margaret as co-heiress to the vast earldom along with her elder sister. The estate was split in half, and after the final division was ratified in 1207, de Quincy was made Earl of Winchester.[3] Earl of Winchester Following his marriage, Winchester became a prominent military and diplomatic figure in England. There is no evidence of any close alliance with King John, however, and his rise to importance was probably due to his newly acquired magnate status and the family connections that underpinned it. Saer seems to have developed a close personal relationship with his cousin, Robert Fitzwalter (died 1235). In 1203, they served as co-commanders of the garrison at the major fortress of Vaudreuil in Normandy. They surrendered the castle without a fight to Philip II of France, fatally weakening the English position in northern France.[4] Although popular opinion seems to have blamed them for the capitulation, a royal writ is extant stating that the castle was surrendered at King John's command, and both Winchester and Fitzwalter endured personal humiliation and heavy ransoms at the hands of the French. In Scotland, he was perhaps more successful. In 1211 to 1212, the Earl of Winchester commanded an imposing retinue of a hundred knights and a hundred serjeants in William the Lion's campaign against the Mac William rebels, a force which some historians have suggested may have been the mercenary force from Brabant lent to the campaign by John. Magna Carta In 1215, when the baronial rebellion broke out, Robert Fitzwalter became the military commander, and the Earl of Winchester joined him, acting as one of the chief authors of Magna Carta and negotiators with John; both cousins were among the 25 guarantors of the Magna Carta.[5] De Quincy fought against John in the troubles that followed the sealing of the Charter, and, again with Fitzwalter, travelled to France to invite Prince Louis of France to take the English throne. He and Fitzwalter were subsequently among the most committed and prominent supporters of Louis's candidature for the kingship, against both John and the infant Henry III.[6] The Fifth Crusade When military defeat cleared the way for Henry III to take the throne, de Quincy went on crusade, perhaps in fulfilment of an earlier vow. In 1219 he left to join the Fifth Crusade, then besieging Damietta.[7] While in the east, he fell sick and died. He was buried in Acre, the capital of the Kingdom of Jerusalem, rather than in Egypt, and his heart was brought back and interred at Garendon Abbey near Loughborough, a house endowed by his wife's family. Family The family of de Quincy had arrived in England after the Norman Conquest, and took their name from Cuinchy in the Arrondissement of Béthune; the personal name "Saer" was used by them over several generations. Both names are variously spelt in primary sources and older modern works, the first name being sometimes rendered Saher or Seer, and the surname as Quency or Quenci. The first recorded Saer de Quincy (known to historians as "Saer I") was lord of the manor of Long Buckby in Northamptonshire in the earlier twelfth century, and second husband of Matilda of St Liz, stepdaughter of King David I of Scotland by Maud of Northumbria. This marriage produced two sons, Saer II and Robert de Quincy. It was Robert, the younger son, who was the father of the Saer de Quincy who eventually became Earl of Winchester. By her first husband Robert Fitz Richard, Matilda was also the paternal grandmother of Earl Saer's close ally, Robert Fitzwalter. Robert de Quincy seems to have inherited no English lands from his father, and pursued a knightly career in Scotland, where he is recorded from around 1160 as a close companion of his cousin, King William the Lion. By 1170 he had married Orabilis, heiress of the Scottish lordship of Leuchars and, through her, he became lord of an extensive complex of estates north of the border which included lands in Fife, Strathearn and Lothian. Saer de Quincy, the son of Robert de Quincy and Orabilis of Leuchars, was raised largely in Scotland. His absence from English records for the first decades of his life has led some modern historians and genealogists to confuse him with his uncle, Saer II, who took part in the rebellion of Henry the Young King in 1173, when the future Earl of Winchester can have been no more than a toddler. Saer II's line ended without direct heirs, and his nephew and namesake would eventually inherit his estate, uniting his primary Scottish holdings with the family's Northamptonshire patrimony, and possibly some lands in France. Issue Sometime between 1188 and 1193 de Quincy married Margaret, youngest daughter of Robert de Beaumont, 3rd Earl of Leicester.[2] By his wife Margaret de Beaumont, Earl Saer had: Lora, who married Sir William de Valognes, Chamberlain of Scotland. Arabella, who married Sir Richard Harcourt. Robert (died 1217); before 1206 he married Hawise of Chester, 1st Countess of Lincoln, sister and co-heiress of Randolph de Blondeville, 4th Earl of Chester. Roger, who succeeded his father as earl of Winchester (though he did not take formal possession of the earldom until after his mother's death).[8] Robert de Quincy [de] (second son of that name; died 1257), who married Elen, daughter of the Welsh prince Llywelyn the Great. Hawise, who married Hugh de Vere, 4th Earl of Oxford. Mary, who married Hugh le Despenser (sheriff). Janet, who married Dougall de Seton. Peerage of England New creation Earl of Winchester 1207–1219 Succeeded by Roger de Quincy References Complete Peerage p.747 Grosseteste 2010, p. 65. CP p.749 Poole 1993, p. 470. Chisholm, Hugh, ed. (1911). "Winchester, Earls and Marquesses of" . Encyclopædia Britannica. 28 (11th ed.). Cambridge University Press. p. 703. Carpenter 1990, p. 35. Tout 1969, p. 13. Maddicott 1994, p. 3.
    Page: Identifies Orabilis as the mother of Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester, and the wife of Robert de Quincy. Identifies Saer's birth date as circa 1155 but provides a marriage date of Orabilis and Robert as 'before 1170'.
  5. Title: Orable in the record of her father: Ness, son of William, lord of Leuchars (d.1178×83) - PEOPLE OF MEDIEVAL SCOTLAND
    Author: PoMS, no. 4 (https://www.poms.ac.uk/record/person/4/; accessed 22 September 2021)
    Publication: Name: https://www.poms.ac.uk/record/person/4/;
    Note: Ness MODERN GAELIC NAME Neas BIOGRAPHY Ness was the son of William and was lord of Leuchars. He had one daughter, his heiress, Orabile, who married firstly, Robert de Quincy, secondly, Adam, son of Duncan (I), earl of Fife, and thirdly, Earl Gilchrist of Mar. Ness died between 1178 and 1183. FLORUITS 1156 × 1178 RELATED PLACE Leuchars FAMILY CONNECTIONS » Gephi Visualisation GRANTOR BENEFICIARY RELATIONSHIPS » Gephi Visualisation
    Page: Identifies Orabile as the daughter and heiress of Nes, Lord of Leuchars. Says she married 1st Robert de Quincy, 2nd Adam, son of Duncan (I), earl of Fife, and 3rd, Earl Gilchrist of Mar.
  6. Title: Our royal, titled, noble and commoner ancestors
    Author: Citations [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 403-405. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. II, p. 644. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 434. [S11772] Unknown author, Foundation for Medieval Genealogy, Vol. II (2), p. 112-134. "Nes Fitz William and the Earls of Fife: the Origin of the House of Fife 962-1129". Written by MichaelAnne Guido.
    Publication: Name: https://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p165.htm#i4948;
    Note: Orabilis de Mar1,2,3 Last Edited 4 Apr 2020 F, #4949, d. before 30 June 1203 Father Ralph (Nes) FitzWilliam de Mar1,3 Orabilis de Mar married Robert de Quincy, Justiciar of Lothian, son of Saire de Quincey, Lord Bradenham and Maud de St. Liz; They had 1 son (Sir Saher, 1st Earl of Winchester) & 1 daughter ((unnamed), wife of (Mr.) de St. Andrew). She married (1) Gilchrist, Earl of Mar.1,2,3,4 Orabilis de Mar died before 30 June 1203.3 Family Robert de Quincy, Justiciar of Lothian b. c 1140, d. bt 1206 - 1208 Child Sir Saher de Quincy, Magna Carta Baron, 1st Earl of Wincester, Constable of Fotheringhay Castle, Keeper of Canford & Hedingham Castles+1,3 b. c 1160, d. 3 Nov 1219
  7. Title: Saher IV de Quincy in Medieval Lands Project
    Author: Online.
    Publication: Name: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL2.htm#SaherQuincydied1219A;
    Note: Biography. SAHER [IV] de Quincy, son of ROBERT de Quincy & his first wife Orabilis of Mar ([1165/70]-Damietta 3 Nov 1219, bur Acre) He was created Earl of Winchester before 10 Feb 1207. He supported the barons against King John and was one of the 25 men chosen in Jun 1215 to enforce obedience of Magna Carta, being excommunicated by the Pope in Dec 1215. He supported the barons against King John and was one of the 25 men chosen in Jun 1215 to enforce obedience of Magna Carta, being excommunicated by the Pope in Dec 1215. He joined the Crusade in 1219 and died at the siege of Damietta. His heart being burned and later buried at Garendon. m (before 1190) MARGARET of Leicester, daughter of ROBERT de Beaumont Earl of Leicester & his wife Pernelle de Grantmesnil. Saher [IV] & his wife had [eight] children.
    Page: Relationships.
  8. Title: The Plantagenet ancestry
    Author: "The Plantagenet ancestry; being tables showing over 7,000 of the ancestors ofElizabeth (daughter of Edward IV and wife o, Turton, William Harry, 1856-1938. (Main), 13 Feb 2001
    Note: birth-name: Orabella de Leuchars TEXT DESCRIPTION: xvii, 274 p. (chiefly geneal. tables) 36 cm. NOTES: Reprint of the1928 ed. Bibliography: p. xiii-xv. SUBJECTS: Plantagenet, House of Families ofroyal descent. Great Britain--Genealogy.
    Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2037060985
  9. Title: ORABILIS, daughter of NES of Mar - Foundation for Medieval Genealogy
    Publication: Name: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#OrabilisMRobertQuincy;
    Note: NES [of Mar] (-after [1177]). "…Neis fil Wil, Constantino fratre suo…" witnessed the undated charter under which Malcolm IV King of Scotland donated "Ledmaedunegil" to Dunfermline monastery[386]. "…Nes filio Willmi…" witnessed the undated charter under which property in "villa de Bolgyne" was donated to St Andrew’s priory[387]. "…Nees filio Willi…" witnessed the undated charter under which Malcolm IV King of Scotland confirmed the donation of "ecclesiam…in Kilrimund cum terra Kindargog" to St Andrew’s priory[388]. "…Nes filio Willi…" witnessed the undated charter, probably dated to the start of his reign, under which William King of Scotland confirmed the property of St Andrew’s priory[389]. "Morgrundus comes de Mar" donated "ecclesiam sancti M’Huluoch de Tharuelund" to St Andrew’s priory, for the souls of "Agnetis comitisse sponse mee", by undated charter, witnessed by "…Dunecano comite de Fif, Marleswano, Nesio filio Willi, Galfredo de Maleuill…"[390]. "…Nesio filio Willi…" witnessed the undated charter, dated to after [1170], under which William King of Scotland confirmed the donation of "ecclesiam de Sconin" to St Andrew’s priory[391]. "Nesius filius Willi et Orabile filia sua heres" donated "ecclesiam de Losresc" to St Andrew’s priory by undated charter[392]. "Nesius filius Willelmi" donated "ecclesiam de Lochres" to St Andrew’s priory by undated charter witnessed by "Dunecano comite de Fif…Adam filio Dunec et Horabili sponsa sua…"[393]. William King of Scotland confirmed donations to St Andrew’s priory, including the donation of "ecclesiam de Louchref" by "Neisi filii Willi", by undated charter[394]. m ---. The name of Nes’s wife is not known. Nes & his wife had one child: i) ORABILIS (-before 30 Jun 1203). "Nesius filius Willi et Orabile filia sua heres" donated "ecclesiam de Losresc" to St Andrew’s priory by undated charter[395]. Her first marriage is confirmed by the undated charter under which her son "Seherus de Quency comes Wintonie" donated "totam terram de Duglyn", held by "Nesus filius Willelmi avus meus" to Cambuskenneth priory[396]. Her second marriage is indicated by the undated charter under which "Orabilis comitissa de Mar filia Nesii filii Willi" confirmed the donation of "ecclesiam de Lochres" made by "pater meus Nesius filius Willi" to St Andrew’s priory, witnessed by "Duncano comite de Fif…"[397]. Her third marriage is indicated by the undated charter under which "Nesius filius Willelmi" donated "ecclesiam de Lochres" to St Andrew’s priory witnessed by "Dunecano comite de Fif…Adam filio Dunec et Horabili sponsa sua…"[398]. There seems little doubt that the witness was Orabilis, daughter of the donor, and her third husband, as the name is so unusual. "Orabilis filia et heres Dñi Nesii" donated property to St Andrew’s priory by undated charter witnessed by "…Patricio filio Nesii, Dunc filio Elin…"[399]. "Orabilis filia et heres Dñi Nesii" donated "Davach ictar Hathyn" to St Andrew’s priory by undated charter witnessed by "…G. com de Mar…Patricio filio Nesii, Duncan filio Emelin…"[400]. Pope Innocent III confirmed the possessions of Inchaffray Abbey, including the donation of land "in territorio de Gasgt" by "quondam Orable matris Seer de Quinci", by bull dated 30 Jun 1203[401]. Orabilis presumably died before her first husband, given the undated charter under which her son "Seerus de Quinci" confirmed the donation of "Davac Icthar Hathyn" made by "matris mea" to St Andrew’s priory which was witnessed by "…Roberto de Quincy patre meo…"[402]. m firstly ([1160/70], separated) as his first wife, ROBERT de Quincy, son of SAHER de Quincy & his wife Maud de Senlis ([1140]-after 1200). m secondly --- Earl of Mar, son of ---. The Complete Peerage says that "it has been asserted" that Orabilis’s second husband was Gilchrist Earl of Mar, but adds that "the chronology is difficult"[403]. The chronology in fact appears impossible: Earl Gilchrist is recorded up to 1199, whereas Orabilis is named with her [third] husband in a charter of her father which, although undated, is probably not dated much later than 1177. It seems more likely that Orabilis’s second husband was Morgund Earl of Mar (-[1177/30 Mar 1183]), which if correct means that she was his second wife. An alternative possibility is that Orabilis’s second and third husbands were in fact reversed, which is the assumption of Balfour Paul[404]. m thirdly ADAM of Fife, son of DUNCAN Macduff Earl of Fife & his wife ---. Nes had two illegitimate children by an unknown mistress or mistresses: ii) CONSTANTINE (-after [1202/03]). "Seerus de Quinci" confirmed the donation of "Davac Icthar Hathyn" made by "matris mea" to St Andrew’s priory by undated charter witnessed by "…Roberto de Quincy patre meo…Constant et Patricio filiis Nesii avi mei…"[405]. Constantine is unlikely to have been legitimate as Nes’s daughter Orabilis is noted in the charter quoted above as her father’s heir. iii) PATRICK (-after 1218). "Orabilis filia et heres Dñi Nesii" donated property to St Andrew’s priory by undated charter witnessed by "…Patricio filio Nesii, Dunc filio Elin…"[406]. "Orabilis filia et heres Dñi Nesii" donated "Davach ictar Hathyn" to St Andrew’s priory by undated charter witnessed by "…G. com de Mar…Patricio filio Nesii, Duncan filio Emelin…"[407]. "Seerus de Quinci" confirmed the donation of "Davac Icthar Hathyn" made by "matris mea" to St Andrew’s priory by undated charter witnessed by "…Roberto de Quincy patre meo…Constant et Patricio filiis Nesii avi mei…"[408]. "Seyerus de Quinci comes Wintonie" donated revenue from "molendino meo de Locres" to St Andrew’s priory, with the consent of "Rogeri filii et heredis mei", by undated charter, dated to [1217/18], witnessed by "Rogero de Quinci herede meo, Simone de Quinci persona de Louchres, Patricio filio Nesii…Simonis de Quinci"[409]. "Rogerus de Quinci filius Seyeri comitis Wintonie" confirmed his father’s donation of a mill to St Andrew’s priory by undated charter, dated to [1217/18], witnessed by "Dño Seyero patre meo comite Wintonie, Symone de Quinci persona de Louchres, Patricio filio Nesii…Gilleberto clerico, Symonis de Quinci, Henrico clerico, Symonis de Quinci"[410]. Patrick is unlikely to have been legitimate as Nes’s daughter Orabilis is noted in the charter quoted above as her father’s heir.
    Page: Identifies Orabilis as the daughter and only legitimate child of Nes of Mar. Married Robert de Quincy 1160/70 as his 1st wife separated after the birth of a son and heir Saher de Quincy. Married 2nd Earl of Mar, most likely Morgund, Earl of Mar; married 3rd Adam of Fife, son of Duncan Macduff, Earl of Fife. Died before 30 June 1203.
  10. Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage
    Author: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley {1999}, Page number: 1853
    Note: Source Media Type: Book
    Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2736742367
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