Robert de Ros of Wark III

• Preferred Name: Robert de Ros of Wark III^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19]}
  
• Alternate Name: Robert De Ros
  
• Gender: M
  
• FSID: LHHC-S29
  
• Death: BEF 20 APR 1274 in Northumberland, England with note: Date of the writ for his IPM, so he died before this date.
  
• Birth: ABT 1206 in Wark, Northumberland, England at LATI: N5.6333 LONG: E2.2667
  
• Occupation: Justice of The Kings Bench1234
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  Robert de Ros was the son and heir of his father Robert de Ros (d. 1227) and Isabel, daughter of William the Lion, King of Scotland. He m. Margaret, sister and coheir of Peter de Brus II (died 1272). Robert died shortly before 20 April 1274. May 16, 1275 the escheator had order to allow Margaret seisin again of her inheritance, on taking the usual oath not to marry without the King's licence. She died short before 30 January 1306/7 when her Inquisition post mortem was taken at Westmorland.
  
  Robert and Margaret had children:
  
  1. William de Ros I b ca 1247 and died before 1269. Unmarried?
  2. Ida de Ros b ca 1250 who married Roger Bertram II
  3. Isabel de Ros b ca 1254 who married Roger de Merlay
  4. Robert born about 1256 and died shortly after his father in 1274 and after taking livery of Wark. He married Christiana Bertram, daughter of Rogert Bertram I. They had one son, also Robert who married and had two daughters who were the heirs of their grandmother, Margaret.
  5. William de Ross II of Presson and Kendal b ca 1258 and d before 9 March 1310 when his IPM was taken. William married Elizabeth (maiden name unknown) and they had three children: Thomas, heir, Robert and William. William is the ancestor of Catherine Parr last wife of Henry VIII through his son Thomas.
  
  === Notes and sources for Robert... ===
  Sir ROBERT DE ROS of Wark on Tweed, Northumberland, younger son of Robert DE ROS of Helmsley (died circa 1226), was probably the Robert, son of Robert de Ros, who, in February 1206/7, was a hostage in custody of the Earl of Oxford. In April 1230 he was going overseas in the King's expedition into France. In 1234 he was appointed a justice of the Bench, and went on circuit in Lincs, Yorks and Northumberland. Chief justice of the Forests North of Trent, November 1236. He was in attendance on the King at York, when Alexander II of Scotland disclaimed Northumberland, Cumberland and Westmorland, in consideration of a money payment and a grant of lands in England, 25 September I237. He was sum. before the Council in London, June 1242. In May 1244 he was summoned against the Scots. After the marriage of King Alexander III to Princess Margaret, 26 December 1251, Robert de Ros and John de Balliol were sent with her to Scotland as guardians. In 1255 Margaret complained of their proceedings. Robert was summoned to England, his lands were seized, and a fine of 100,000 marks imposed.
  
  He (Robert de Ros) married, (? 2ndly), Christine, daughter of . . . BERTRAM, and sister and in her issue coheir of Roger BERTRAM. He was presumably living at Michaelmas 1269, and died probably before November following. His widow married Robert de Penbury; their son Ellis was her heir.
  [Complete Peerage XI:119-20, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
  
  Note: CP II:126 states that Christine was married 1st to Mr. Penbury, then to Robert de Ros.
  
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  The following e-mail from Douglas Richardson indicates that CP is in error in both accounts above, with Christine being married (1) to William de Ros (eldest son of the Robert de Ros cited by CP); (2) Robert Penbury. See further notes under Christine Bertram.
  
  From: Douglas Richardson [mailto:royalancestry AT msn.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 3:52 PM
  To: Ian Fettes; Jim Weber
  Cc: Therav3 AT aol.com
  Subject: An Idea here or there
  
  Dear Jim, Ian, and John ~
  I re-checked Hedley again today. He cites a Northumberland plea dated 1241 which states that marriages have been pre-arranged and "now have been made" between the eldest sons and heirs of Roger Bertram and Robert de Roos and their respective daughters.
  
  This record proves that it was Robert de Roos' son and heir, William, who married Christine Bertram, not Robert himself. This corrects Complete Peerage under both Bertram and Ros.
  
  This record also proves that Ida, wife of Roger Bertram, the younger, was the daughter of Robert de Roos, of Wark. Ida subsequently married (2nd) Robert de Neville, of Raby, and (3rd) John Fitz Marmaduke. This adds to the information on Ida which is found in Complete Peerage under Bertram and Neville.
  
  This leaves Sir Robert de Roos (died 1269) without a wife. However, inasmuch as he named a daughter, Ida, I think it is a good bet that his wife descends from the Longespee, Bigod, or Tony families, all of which families used the given name, Ida.
  
  Hastily, DR
  
  ...x

1. Isabel de Ros, b. ABT 1229 in Wark, Northumberland, England    
2. Ida de Ros, b. ABT 1250 in Wark, Northumberland, England     d. AFT 17 AUG 1320

1. Title: Robert de Ros, "Find A Grave Index"
   Author: "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK1V-JNLZ : 20 July 2020), Robert de Ros, 1269; Burial, , ; citing record ID , Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.
   Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK1V-JNLZ;
   
2. Title: A&A Soc. Transactions (Cumb Pub B) n.s. 24: 51-56; Scot 2b, vol. 1 p. 5 The Scots Perrage
   Author: A&A Soc. Transactions (Cumb Pub B) n.s. 24: 51-56; Scot 2b, vol. 1 p. 5 The Scots Perrage (Cumberland Publishers B n.s.).
   Page: Family Records
   
3. Title: The de Ros Family of Wark
   Author: A history of Northumberland. issued under the direction of the Northumberland county history committee, 1893, vol. 11
   Publication: Name: https://archive.org/details/historyofnorthum11nort/page/36/mode/2up?q=Wark;
   Note: History of Ward Township and Castle, pp 30 to 74
   Page: He is mentioned.
   
4. Title: Robert de Ros the Subject of A Complaint to the King
   Author: Northumberland pleas from the Curia regis and assize rolls, 1198-1272 by Great Britain. Curia Regis; Thompson, A. Hamilton (Alexander Hamilton), 1873-1952; Hodgson, John Crawford, Publication date 1922, vol. 2
   Publication: Name: https://archive.org/details/northumberlandpl02grea/page/122/mode/2up?q=Ros+;
   Note: Confirms that he had two daughters: one married to Roger de Merley and the other to Roger Bertram: "Roger de Merlay made fine secretly, as is said, for himself and for his men afore- said ; and this by favour of marriage between the said Roger and the daughter [Isabel] of Robert de Ros already mentioned" and "and this because the marriages were prearranged, and have now been made, between the son and heir of sir Roger [Bertram] and a daughter [Ida] of sir Robert on the one part, and on the other between the son [Robert] and heir of sir Robert and a daughter [Christian] of sir Roger [Bertram]."
   
5. Title: Notice to Escheator on Death of Robert de Ros of Werk (III)
   Author: Calendar of the Close Rolls, Edward I, vol. 1: 1272-1279. (London, 1900).
   Publication: Name: https://archive.org/details/calendarclosero03changoog/page/82/mode/2up?view=theater;
   Note: To William de Boyvill, escheator beyond Trent. Order to permit Robert de Ros, son and heir of Robert de Ros of Werk, to have seisin of the castle and manor of Werk, together with the issues thereof, until the king's arrival in England, by permission of the king's subjects supplying his place, so that he may then answer for the issues to the king, if they pertain to him, as the king learns by the testimony of trustworthy men that Robert son of Robert held the castle and manor of Robert de Ros, son and heir of William de Ros of Werk, of the gift and feoffment of Robert de Ros, father of William and Robert, and it does not appear to the king that Robert held anything of him in chief whereby the custody of the castle and manor ought or might pertain to him. The escheator is ordered to enquire meanwhile whether Robert held anything at his death in chief, and where, and how much, and by what service.
   
6. Title: Order Regarding Margaret widow of Robert de Ros and her manor of Kirkby in Kendal
   Author: Hathitrust.org, Calendar of the Close rolls preserved in the Public ... Edward I, 1272/1279.
   Publication: Name: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.35112103529824&view=1up&seq=93&skin=2021&q1=Ros;
   Note: April 24, Westminster: “To W. de Boyvill, escheator beyond Trent. Order to deliver to Margaret, late the wife of Robert de Ros of Wek, tenant in chief, the manor of Kirkeby in Kendale, which belonged to Robert and Margaret, to hold in tenancy at will until further orders, upon her taking oath not to marry without the king’s licence.” Also, https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.35112103529824&view=1up&seq=95&skin=2021&q1=Ros
   
7. Title: New History of Northumberland (Northu. 6) 11:32-34, 37-38
   Author: Cumberland & Westmorland, New History of Northumberland (Northu. 6) 11:32-34, 37-38. .
   Page: Family Records
   
8. Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronatage
   Author: Burke, Burke's Peerage & Baronatage .
   Page: Family Records
   
9. Title: Charter for Wark
   Author: Hathitrust.org, Calendar of the charter rolls preserved in the Public Record Office, vol. 1, HENRY III., A.D. 1226-1257, London, 1903
   Publication: Name: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=gri.ark:/13960/t0jt2483g&view=1up&seq=76&skin=2021;
   Note: 1227, Aug. 15. Inspeximus and confirmation of a charter of Robert de Ros, giving to Woodstock. Robert de Ros his son, and his heirs by his lawful wife all the land of Werk with the castle and all liberties and appurtenances, saving Bodelton, the mill of Mindrum, half a carucate of land in Paloxton, two bovates of land in the territory of Killum and the service of two bovates of land in Paloxton, which Roger de Coppegrave holds in fee, all which the grantor has given by his charter to St. Mary and the brethren of the hospital of St. Thomas the Martyr in Bodelton ; the said Robert to hold the same by rendering yearly at Rokesburgh fair a sore gerfalcon (nisns), in lieu of all service saving the king's foreign service.
   
10. Title: Pedigree of de Ros of Wark
    Publication: Name: https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/149809553;
    
11. Title: Victoria County History of North Riding, Yorkshire I: 491-2
    Author: Victoria County History of North Riding, Yorkshire I: 491-2 .
    Page: Family Records
    
12. Title: de Ross of Wark in The Complete Peerage
    Publication: Name: https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/viewer/362755/?offset=0#page=126&viewer=picture&o=&n=0&q=;
    
13. Title: British History Online
    
14. Title: Robert de Ros Enfeoffed with Wark by His Father
    Author: Calendar of the charter rolls : preserved in the Public Record Office ... 1226-[1516] by Great Britain. Public Record Office; Lyte, Henry Churchill Maxwell, Sir, 1848-1940, Publication date 1903, vol. 1
    Publication: Name: https://archive.org/details/calendarofcharte01grea/page/56/mode/2up;
    
15. Title: IPM of Robert de Ros of Werk (III)
    Author: Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Vol. 2, 1-19 Edward I:1272-1291. (London, 1906), 49-50
    Publication: Name: https://archive.org/details/cu31924011387804/page/48/mode/2up;
    
16. Title: Pardon from Edward I
    Author: Calendar of the charter rolls ... v.2, Henry III & Edward I, A.D. 1257 to 1300
    Publication: Name: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044058276767&view=1up&seq=51&skin=2021&q1=de%20Ros;
    Note: He was accused of aggrieving Princess Margaret of Scotland and fined 100,000 marks. These charges were later found to be false. This is the pardon.
    
17. Title: Magna Charta Sureties 1215
    Author: Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr., Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore 5th Edition 1999, pp.118-2.
    Note: Source Media Type: Book. "1269." [PFT:AQ] [S:Titl] Magna Charta Sureties 1215 [S:Auth] Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. [S:Publ] Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore 5th Edition 1999 [S:Note] Source Media Type: Book [Page] 118-2 [Text] 1269 [/PFT]
    
18. Title: GenMedieval
    
19. Title: IPM of Robert de Ros son of Robert de Ros
    Author: Calendar of inquisitions post mortem and other analogous documents preserved in the Public Record Office by Great Britain. Public Record Office; Kirby, J. L. (John Lavan); White, Andrew Dickson, 1832-1918., 1904, vol. 2
    Publication: Name: https://archive.org/details/cu31924011387804/page/48/mode/2up?q=Ros;