Ida Longespée

• Preferred Name: Ida Longespée^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9]}
  
• Alternate Name: de Beauchamp
  
• Gender: F
  
• Burial: JUL 1268 in Nunnery of Cokehill, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England at LATI: N1.0687 LONG: E1.794 with note: Burial B4 death
  
• Death: 7 JAN 1268 in Nunnery of Cokehill,Salisbury, Wiltshire, England at LATI: N1.0687 LONG: E1.794 with note: GEDCOM data
  
• Birth: 1208 in Salisbury, Wiltshire, England at LATI: N1.0687 LONG: E1.794 with note: GEDCOM data
  
• FSID: L2VT-9LY
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  Ida Longespée, married firstly Ralph who was son of Ralph de Somery, Baron of Dudley, and Margaret, daughter of John Marshal; she married secondly William de Beauchamp, Baron of Bedford, by whom she had seven children
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Longesp%C3%A9e,_3rd_Earl_of_Salisbury
  
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  IDA Longespee (after 1206-after 1260). William Earl of Salisbury granted the manor of Belcham to "William de Beauchamp…with Ida his daughter, who was the wife of Ralph de Sumeri" dated 1220[1479]. It is likely that Ida was still a child at the time of her first marriage. Ida’s mother’s birth can be dated with reasonable accuracy to [1191/92], as Gilbert Crispin who was the second husband of Ida’s maternal grandmother died in 1190. If that is correct, it is unlikely that Ida was born before 1206, assuming that she was the oldest child of her parents (of which there is no proof).
  m firstly RALPH [III] de Somery Baron of Dudley, son of RALPH [II] de Somery & his wife Margaret Crassus (-before 1220).
  m secondly ([1220]) as his second wife, WILLIAM de Beauchamp Baron of Bedford, son of JOHN de Beauchamp & his wife --- (-1260).
  
  http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL1.htm#IdoniaLongespeeM1RalphSomery
  
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  “Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
  
  “IDA LONGESPÉE.
  She married (1st) RALPH DE SOMERY, of Dudley (in Sedgley), Staffordshire, Little Linford and Newport Pagnell, Buckinghamshire, etc., son and heir of Ralph de Somery, of Dudley (in Sedgley), Staffordshire, Fllesborough, Newport Pagnell, and North Crawley, Buckinghamshire, Warley, Worcestershire, etc., by Margaret, daughter of daughter of William le Gras, of Chipping Sodbury, Gloucestershire, Little Dalby, Leicestershire, Waleswood, Yorkshire, Seneschal of Mortain, 1193 Seneschal of Normandy.
  They had no issue.
  
  She married (2nd) about Jan. 1220 (date of fine) (as his 2nd wife;1st being Gunnor de Lanvallay) WILLIAM DE BEAUCHAMP, Knt., of Bedford, Bedfordshire, Shelsley Beauchamp, Worcestershire, etc., Baron of the Exchequer, Sheriff of Bedfordshire and Buckinghamshire, 1235-7, hereditary Grand Almoner at Coronation of King Henry III, son and heir of Simon de Beauchamp, of Bedford, Bedfordshire, by his wife, Isabel. He was born about 1186 (of age in 1206-7). Her maritagium included the manor of Belchamp, Essex.
  They had three sons,
  1. Simon, Knt.,
  2. William, Knt., and
  3. John,
  and four daughters,
  4. Joan (nun at Chicksands),
  5. Maud,
  6. Beatrice, and
  7. Ela.
  
  William had married (1st) before 1207 GUNNOR DE LANVALLAY, daughter of William de Lanvallay, by Hawise, daughter of Hugh de Buckland. William and Gunnor had one son, John (dead before 1232).
  
  He took part in King John's expedition to Poitou in 1214. He joined the baronial host at Stamford in 1215, and entertained them at Bedford as they marched on London. He was among the baronial leaders excommunicated by name in Dec. 1215. He forfeited Bedford Castle, together with the manor of Shelsley Beauchamp, Worcestershire, which lands was granted in 1216 to Falkes de Breaute. He was taken prisoner at Lincoln by the royal forces in May 1217, but made his peace before the end of the year. The honour of Bedford was restored to him in 1224. In 1244-5 he was with the army in Wales.
  SIR WILLIAM DE BEAUCHAMP died shortly after 28 Dec. 1260.
  
  Claiming to take her dower at her choice, his widow, Ida, raided the manor of Little Crawley, Buckinghamshire, "pulled down houses, cut down trees, and did other enormous damage," for which actions she was subsequently fined. She was living in 1266-7, but died testate before 1269-70.
  
  === Medieval Lands Project Biography ===
  From the Medieval Lands Project (downloaded 21 July 2018, dvmansur):
  IDA Longespee (after 1206-after 1260). William Earl of Salisbury granted the manor of Belcham to "William de Beauchamp…with Ida his daughter, who was the wife of Ralph de Sumeri" dated 1220[1865]. It is likely that Ida was still a child at the time of her first marriage. Ida’s mother’s birth can be dated with reasonable accuracy to [1191/92], as Gilbert Crispin who was the second husband of Ida’s maternal grandmother died in 1190. If that is correct, it is unlikely that Ida was born before 1206, assuming that she was the oldest child of her parents (of which there is no proof). m firstly RALPH [III] de Somery Baron of Dudley, son of RALPH [II] de Somery & his wife Margaret Crassus (-before 1220). m secondly ([1220]) as his second wife, WILLIAM de Beauchamp Baron of Bedford, son of JOHN (sic) de Beauchamp & his wife --- (-1260). [Note: As the Medieval Lands coverage for William shows, he was the son of Simon, not John. - dvmansur.]
  
  === Source: Please cite original sources. ===
  Source: Please cite original sources.
  Compiled by: J. K. Loren
  
  === !MARRIAGE-BIRTH: Magna Charta Part VII; ===
  !MARRIAGE-BIRTH: Magna Charta Part VII; by John S. Wurts; 1954; Brookfield Publishing Co.; PO Box 4933, Philadelphia, Pa.; pg 2044
  
  === !AFN: GLCB-GM !Royal Forefathers by Gund ===
  !AFN: GLCB-GM !Royal Forefathers by Gunderson, MS #360, Item #10, MF #1059499
  
  === Married before 12 ===
  Married Before 12. Needs changed please
  
  === *CAREFUL not to confuse her with younger ===
  *CAREFUL not to confuse her with younger sister Ida II*
  Ida Longespée, married firstly Ralph who was son of Ralph de Somery, Baron of Dudley, and Margaret, daughter of John Marshal; she married secondly William de Beauchamp, Baron of Bedford, by whom she had seven children
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Longesp%C3%A9e,_3rd_Earl_of_Salisbury
  
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  IDA Longespee (after 1206-after 1260). William Earl of Salisbury granted the manor of Belcham to "William de Beauchamp…with Ida his daughter, who was the wife of Ralph de Sumeri" dated 1220[1479]. It is likely that Ida was still a child at the time of her first marriage. Ida’s mother’s birth can be dated with reasonable accuracy to [1191/92], as Gilbert Crispin who was the second husband of Ida’s maternal grandmother died in 1190. If that is correct, it is unlikely that Ida was born before 1206, assuming that she was the oldest child of her parents (of which there is no proof).
  m firstly RALPH [III] de Somery Baron of Dudley, son of RALPH [II] de Somery & his wife Margaret Crassus (-before 1220).
  m secondly ([1220]) as his second wife, WILLIAM de Beauchamp Baron of Bedford, son of JOHN de Beauchamp & his wife --- (-1260).
  
  http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL1.htm#IdoniaLongespeeM1RalphSomery
  
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  “Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
  
  “IDA LONGESPÉE.
  She married (1st) RALPH DE SOMERY, of Dudley (in Sedgley), Staffordshire, Little Linford and Newport Pagnell, Buckinghamshire, etc., son and heir of Ralph de Somery, of Dudley (in Sedgley), Staffordshire, Fllesborough, Newport Pagnell, and North Crawley, Buckinghamshire, Warley, Worcestershire, etc., by Margaret, daughter of daughter of William le Gras, of Chipping Sodbury, Gloucestershire, Little Dalby, Leicestershire, Waleswood, Yorkshire, Seneschal of Mortain, 1193 Seneschal of Normandy.
  They had no issue.
  
  She married (2nd) about Jan. 1220 (date of fine) (as his 2nd wife;1st being Gunnor de Lanvallay) WILLIAM DE BEAUCHAMP, Knt., of Bedford, Bedfordshire, Shelsley Beauchamp, Worcestershire, etc., Baron of the Exchequer, Sheriff of Bedfordshire and Buckinghamshire, 1235-7, hereditary Grand Almoner at Coronation of King Henry III, son and heir of Simon de Beauchamp, of Bedford, Bedfordshire, by his wife, Isabel. He was born about 1186 (of age in 1206-7). Her maritagium included the manor of Belchamp, Essex.
  They had three sons,
  1. Simon, Knt.,
  2. William, Knt., and
  3. John,
  and four daughters,
  4. Joan (nun at Chicksands),
  5. Maud,
  6. Beatrice, and
  7. Ela.
  
  William had married (1st) before 1207 GUNNOR DE LANVALLAY, daughter of William de Lanvallay, by Hawise, daughter of Hugh de Buckland. William and Gunnor had one son, John (dead before 1232).
  
  He took part in King John's expedition to Poitou in 1214. He joined the baronial host at Stamford in 1215, and entertained them at Bedford as they marched on London. He was among the baronial leaders excommunicated by name in Dec. 1215. He forfeited Bedford Castle, together with the manor of Shelsley Beauchamp, Worcestershire, which lands was granted in 1216 to Falkes de Breaute. He was taken prisoner at Lincoln by the royal forces in May 1217, but made his peace before the end of the year. The honour of Bedford was restored to him in 1224. In 1244-5 he was with the army in Wales.
  SIR WILLIAM DE BEAUCHAMP died shortly after 28 Dec. 1260.
  
  Claiming to take her dower at her choice, his widow, Ida, raided the manor of Little Crawley, Buckinghamshire, "pulled down houses, cut down trees, and did other enormous damage," for which actions she was subsequently fined. She was living in 1266-7, but died testate before 1269-70.
  
  !AFN: GLCB-GM !Royal Forefathers by Gunderson, MS #360, Item #10, MF #1059499
  
  Married Before 12. Needs changed please
  
  !MARRIAGE-BIRTH: Magna Charta Part VII; by John S. Wurts; 1954; Brookfield Publishing Co.; PO Box 4933, Philadelphia, Pa.; pg 2044
  
  From the Medieval Lands Project (downloaded 21 July 2018, dvmansur):
  IDA Longespee (after 1206-after 1260). William Earl of Salisbury granted the manor of Belcham to "William de Beauchamp…with Ida his daughter, who was the wife of Ralph de Sumeri" dated 1220[1865]. It is likely that Ida was still a child at the time of her first marriage. Ida’s mother’s birth can be dated with reasonable accuracy to [1191/92], as Gilbert Crispin who was the second husband of Ida’s maternal grandmother died in 1190. If that is correct, it is unlikely that Ida was born before 1206, assuming that she was the oldest child of her parents (of which there is no proof). m firstly RALPH [III] de Somery Baron of Dudley, son of RALPH [II] de Somery & his wife Margaret Crassus (-before 1220). m secondly ([1220]) as his second wife, WILLIAM de Beauchamp Baron of Bedford, son of JOHN (sic) de Beauchamp & his wife --- (-1260). [Note: As the Medieval Lands coverage for William shows, he was the son of Simon, not John. - dvmansur.]
  
  !BIR: Bk, Medieval Knight by Stephen Turnbull.
  
  Though peerage articles, including CP [Complete Peerage] V 472, have long identified Ida No. 27 [ie. this Ida] as a daughter of Gen. 26 [William Longspee & Ela FitzPatrick], it is clear that their daughter Ida actually married (1) Ralph de Somery (dsp) and (2) bef. 1220 William Beauchamp, of Bedford (see 122A-29 (CP XII (1) note g, which says this Ida living 10 Apr 1262). Moriarty (ms. at NEHGS) suggested William Longespee had two daughters Ida, or Idoine, which may be correct. But there appears almost a generation difference between the two Ida's, so the chronicler may have missed a generation and Ida No 27 may be the daughter of William's son William II (122-29). [Ancestral Roots]
  
  Note: based on the above, I am making Ida, a daughter of William II Longespee. [Jim Weber]
  
  !#21> Complete Peerage-v5-p472,-v11-p381/2fn(k), (FHL 942 D22cok); !AF: BAPT-END-SP> AFN:9FTRKV; `TITLE> Baroness FitzWalter;
  
  === !#21> Complete Peerage-v5-p472,-v11-p381 ===
  !#21> Complete Peerage-v5-p472,-v11-p381/2fn(k), (FHL 942 D22cok); !AF: BAPT-END-SP> AFN:9FTRKV; `TITLE> Baroness FitzWalter;
  
  === THE PLANTAGENET ANCESTRY (GS Q940 D2T) P ===
  THE PLANTAGENET ANCESTRY (GS Q940 D2T) P.96, 119, 120, 126; SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER 929.242 SO68) P.21, 38; DICTIONARY OF NATIONAL BIOGRAPHY, VOL 34 P.115 THRU 119; KINGS OF ENGLANDP.114 THRU 118; GEORGE'S GENEALOGICAL TABLES, TAB 3; HISTORY OF THE COUNTY OF NORTHAMPTONSHIRE, VOL 1 P.694; ANCESTRAL FILE, LDS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY;
  
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  === !Complete Peerage 942.D22cok V 4 pp. 305 ===
  !Complete Peerage 942.D22cok V 4 pp. 305-312...pedigree on p. 205 I J Sanders English Baronies 942.R2sa p. 33 !Sorley Pedigree Q929.242 SO 68s Complete Peerage 942 D22 COK Salisbury
  
  === !BIR: Bk, Medieval Knight by Stephen Tur ===
  !BIR: Bk, Medieval Knight by Stephen Turnbull.
  
  === Though peerage articles, including CP [C ===
  Though peerage articles, including CP [Complete Peerage] V 472, have long identified Ida No. 27 [ie. this Ida] as a daughter of Gen. 26 [William Longspee & Ela FitzPatrick], it is clear that their daughter Ida actually married (1) Ralph de Somery (dsp) and (2) bef. 1220 William Beauchamp, of Bedford (see 122A-29 (CP XII (1) note g, which says this Ida living 10 Apr 1262). Moriarty (ms. at NEHGS) suggested William Longespee had two daughters Ida, or Idoine, which may be correct. But there appears almost a generation difference between the two Ida's, so the chronicler may have missed a generation and Ida No 27 may be the daughter of William's son William II (122-29). [Ancestral Roots]
  
  Note: based on the above, I am making Ida, a daughter of William II Longespee. [Jim Weber]
  
  === NB * CAREFUL not to confuse her with younger sister Ida * ===
  *CAREFUL not to confuse her with younger Sister
  Ida Longespée, married firstly Ralph who was son of Ralph de Somery, Baron of Dudley, and Margaret, daughter of John Marshal; she married secondly William de Beauchamp, Baron of Bedford, by whom she had seven children
  
  === M E Sorley: The Sorley Pedigrees P. 25, ===
  M E Sorley: The Sorley Pedigrees P. 25, 38

• m. ABT 1222

1. Ela de Beauchamp, b. ABT 1230     d. BEF 10 JAN 1267 in England
2. Beatrice Beauchamp, b. 1243 in Emley, Bedfordshire, England     d. 30 NOV 1285 in Mendlesham, Suffolk, England
3. Maud Beauchamp, b. ABT 1229 in Bedford, Bedfordshire, England     d. BEF 4 APR 1273 in Thirsk Slingsby, Hovingham, Yorkshire, England

1. Title: Ida Longespee de Somery Beauchamp (1204-1268), Find a Grave
   Author: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/131718291/ida-de_somery_beauchamp
   Publication: Name: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/131718291/ida-de_somery_beauchamp;
   Note: Ida Longespee de Somery Beauchamp BIRTH 20 Dec 1204 Wiltshire, England DEATH 24 Jul 1268 (aged 63) Wiltshire, England BURIAL Burial Details Unknown MEMORIAL ID 131718291 She was the daughter of William Longespée, 3rd Earl of Salisbury (1176-1226) and "Heiress" Ela FitzPatrick d'Evereux. Ida married Sir William de Beauchamp (1185-1260) in Bedford, Bedfordshire, England in 1220.
   
2. Title: Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom
   Author: Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom; GE Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, Page number: XII/1:111
   Note: Source Media Type: Book
   Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2736741118
   
3. Title: Notes for Walter Fitz Robert and Ida Longespée
   Publication: Name: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~bobwolfe/gen/mn/m27003x27007.htm;
   
4. Title: Ida Longespee de Somery Beauchamp, "Find A Grave Index"
   Author: "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVG5-K64J : 25 May 2022), Ida Longespee de Somery Beauchamp, ; Burial, , ; citing record ID 131718291, Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.
   Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVG5-K64J;
   
5. Title: Salisbury Ballard "Historcial account of Earls of Salisbury"
   
6. Title: Dictionary of National Biography
   Author: Dictionary of National Biography, George Smith, Oxford Press, Vols 1-21 (Orignially published 1885-90),Ed by Sir Leslie S, Page number: XII:118
   Note: Source Media Type: Book
   Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2736742373
   
7. Title: Ida Longespee (1207-1270), Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors
   Author: https://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p111.htm#i3320 index of pedigrees [citations]
   Publication: Name: https://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p111.htm#i3320;
   Note: Ida Longespee [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11] Last Edited 4 Apr 2020 F, #3320, b. circa 1207, d. between 1267 and 1270 Father Sir William Longespee, Earl of Salisbury, Sheriff of Wiltshire, Cambridgeshire, Huntingdonshire, Somersetshire, Devonshire, Shropshire, & Staffordshire2,3,4,5,6,12,13,9,10,11 b. c 1176, d. 7 Mar 1226 Mother Ela of Salisbury2,5,12,13,10 b. c 1191, d. 24 Aug 1261 Ida Longespee was born circa 1207.14 She married Ralph de Somery, son of Sir Ralph de Somery, Baron Dudley and Margaret le Gras, before 1219; No issue.14,2,5,7,8,10 Ida Longespee married Sir William de Beauchamp, Lord Bedford, Baron of the Exchequer, Sheriff of Bedfordshire & Buckinghamshire, son of Sir Simon de Beauchamp and Isabel Wake, circa January 1220; They had 3 sons (Simon; William; & John) and 4 daughters (Joan, a nun at Chicksands; Maud; Beatrice; & Ela).2,3,4,5,6,8,9,10,11 Ida Longespee died between 1267 and 1270.2,7,10 Family 1: Ralph de Somery b. c 1199, d. b 1220 Family 2: Sir William de Beauchamp, Lord Bedford, Baron of the Exchequer, Sheriff of Bedfordshire & Buckinghamshire b. c 1186, d. c 28 Nov 1260 Children: Beatrice de Beauchamp+15,2,16,7 d. b 30 Sep 1285 Maud de Beauchamp+2,4,5,7,9 d. c 4 Apr 1273 Ela Beauchamp+2,3,6,7,11 b. c 1230, d. b 10 Jan 1267 Citations: [S332] Unknown author, The Royal Descents of 500 Immigrants, by Gary Boyd Roberts, p. 352; Wallop Family, p. 72. [S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 528-529. [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. II, p. 476-477. [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 199. [S6] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: 2nd Edition, Vol. II, p. 577. [S6] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 428-429. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. I, p. 447-448. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. III, p. 606. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 178-179. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 670. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. V, p. 286-287. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. I, p. 447. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. III, p. 599-600. [S11588] Some Early English Pedigrees, by Vernon M. Norr, p. 46. [S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 135. [S6] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 335.
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8. Title: The Royal Ancestry Bible
   Author: The Royal Ancestry Bible, Michel L. Call, Copyright 2006
   Note: death: birth:
   Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2026280052
   
9. Title: The Medieval Lands Project, "IDA Longespee"
   Publication: Name: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL1.htm#IdoniaLongespeeM1RalphSomery;
   Note: IDA Longespee (after 1206-after 1260). William Earl of Salisbury granted the manor of Belcham to "William de Beauchamp…with Ida his daughter, who was the wife of Ralph de Sumeri" dated 1220[1865]. It is likely that Ida was still a child at the time of her first marriage. Ida’s mother’s birth can be dated with reasonable accuracy to [1191/92], as Gilbert Crispin who was the second husband of Ida’s maternal grandmother died in 1190. If that is correct, it is unlikely that Ida was born before 1206, assuming that she was the oldest child of her parents (of which there is no proof). m firstly RALPH [III] de Somery Baron of Dudley, son of RALPH [II] de Somery & his wife Margaret Crassus (-before 1220). m secondly ([1220]) as his second wife, WILLIAM de Beauchamp Baron of Bedford, son of JOHN de Beauchamp & his wife --- (-1260).