William of Ponthieu IV

• Preferred Name: William of Ponthieu IV^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]}
  
• Alternate Name: Guillaume Count de Ponthieu III
  
• Alternate Name: William the Third
  
• Gender: M
  
• Nickname:
  
• Birth: 1178 in Ponthieu, Ain, Rhône-Alpes, France at LATI: N5.8683 LONG: E0.5893
  
• Death: 4 OCT 1221 in Ponthieu, Ain, Rhône-Alpes, France at LATI: N5.8683 LONG: E0.5893 with note: GEDCOM Data
  
• Burial: 1221 in Abbey of Valloires, Argoules, Departement de la Somme, Picardie, France at LATI: N0.3418 LONG: E0.8353
  
• LdsEndowment: 29 NOV 1939 with note: GEDCOM data
  
• Christening: 1178 in Ponthieu, Ain, Rhône-Alpes, Francia at LATI: N5.8683 LONG: E0.5893
  
• LdsBaptism: 31 AUG 1938 with note: GEDCOM data
  
• Record+Change: 5 NOV 2000 with note: GEDCOM data
  
• Birth: BET 1166 AND 1178 in Ponthieu, Ain, Rhône-Alpes, France at LATI: N5.8683 LONG: E0.5893
  
• FSID: MBGY-XGK
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  William IV Talvas (1179-October 4, 1221) was William III, Count of Ponthieu and William IV (of the house of Belleme/Montgomery). He was Count of Ponthieu, ruler of a small province in northern France that fell under the suzerainty of the dukes of Normandy (later also kings of England) since at least the mid 11th century. He was son and heir of John I, Count of Ponthieu (died 1191) by his third wife Beatrice de St Pol.
  
  «b»Family history and background«/b»
  His father Jean I, Count of Ponthieu (died 1191) was the son of Guy II, Count of Ponthieu (who died on the Second Crusade 1147) and grandson of William III of Ponthieu, also frequently called William III Talvas, and who represented the senior line of the lords of Montgomery, once trusted vassals and allies of William the Conqueror.
  
  «b»Marriage to Alys, Countess of the Vexin«/b»
  Talvas was married on August 20, 1195 to Alys, Countess of the Vexin, the daughter of King Louis VII of France. She was some eighteen years older than he, and was said by some to have been seduced by King Henry II of England while betrothed to his son, King Richard the Lionheart. Richard sent her back to her brother, King Philip II of France, refusing to marry his father's mistress.
  
  Philip then arranged for Alys to marry William Talvas, with the intent that the couple would be childless, and he would thus gain control of Ponthieu, a small but strategically important county. However, Alys then gave birth to a daughter and heiress, Marie, in 1199. This daughter was the maternal grandmother of Eleanor of Castile, first wife of Edward I, King of England, to whom Ponthieu and the disputed Vexin inheritance would eventually pass as Eleanor's dowry. William Talvas died in 1221, his daughter Marie being his heiress.
  
  «b»Life«/b»
  William was an important army commander in the Anglo-French War (1202-1214).
  He also participated in the Albigensian Crusade, particularly in the Siege of Termes in 1210.
  He was one of the commanders of the left wing of the French army in the Battle of Bouvines in 1214.
  
  BIO
  BIO: Count of Ponthiu and Montbelliard, 1191-1221. Commanded the right wing for the French at Bouvines, on the Albigensian Crusade.
  
  ** from http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#Gui
  
  === MPA P. 112-13 ===
  MPA P. 112-13
  
  === https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_IV,_Count_of_Ponthieu ===
  
  Baldwin, John W. (2002). Aristocratic Life in Medieval France. Johns Hopkins University Press.
  Bennett, Matthew; Bradbury, Jim; DeVries, Kelly; Dickie, Iain; Jestice, Phyllis (2005). Fighting Techniques of the Medieval World: Equipment, Combat Skills and Tactics. St. Martin's Press.
  Monicat, M.J. Recueil des Actes de Philippe Auguste Roi de France, 1996.
  
  === Count of Ponthieu. ===
  Count of Ponthieu.
  
  === William de Veteri-Ponte succeeded his fa ===
  William de Veteri-Ponte succeeded his father, whom it is convenient to style "Primogenitus," in Langton, Carriden, and Bolton. In 1203 he made an amicable agreement with the abbot and monks of Kelso, whereby he discharged them from their obligation "de ossibus patris sui de Anglia reportandis, et in cimitrio Kalchoensi tumulandis." The eccleasiastics had undertaken to bring the bones of his father to Scotland, and to bring them within the precincts of their consecrated grounds at Kelso Abbey, the least they could do, considering his and his father's liberality to them, was to have shown all nonour in their power to his remains. This duty as promised they had not fulfilled, but now, instead of such material service, they engaged in the welfare of his said father's soul should for ever be specially attended to in their prayers for the benefactors of the abbey. In the following year he had a safe conduct to pass himself into England and return from thence unmolested "cum ossibus patris," who died probably at one of his estates in the more southern counties. In 1219 the Abbess of St Mary de Pratis claimed from him a hide of land in Hardington, Northamptonshire, as the right of her Church. He went and defended his rights thereto, and called to warrant Alexander II, King of Scots. She also claimed a hide against Ivo de Veteripont in the same village, and Ivo, by his attorney, called to warrant the said William de Veteripont, who called the aforesaid King of Scots by aid of court, in the Octaves of St Hilary, regarding both lands. [House of Cockburn pp28-29]

• m. 20 AUG 1195

1. Marie (Jeanne) de Ponthieu, b. 17 APR 1199 in Aumale, Seine-Maritime, Normandie, France     d. 16 SEP 1250 in Essonne, Île-De-France, France

1. Title: Legacy NFS Source: William II of Ponthieu Count of Ponthieu -
   Author: Royal Index, University of Hull, England, Internet, Internet, www.dcs.hull.ac.uk
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2. Title: Guillaume II de Ponthieu, "Find A Grave Index"
   Author: "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVLG-NJ1X : 3 August 2020), Talvas, ; Burial, Argoules, Departement de la Somme, Picardie, France, Abbey of Valloires; citing record ID 102346447, Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.
   Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVLG-NJ1X;
   Note: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/102346447/guillaume_ii-de_ponthieu Guillaume II “Talvas” de Ponthieu BIRTH 1178 DEATH 6 Oct 1221 (aged 42–43) BURIAL Abbey of Valloires Argoules, Departement de la Somme, Picardie, France MEMORIAL ID 102346447 Only son of Jean I and his third wife Beatrice de St.-Pol, also known as Guillaume IV. He succeeded his father in 1191 as Comte de Ponthieu. He married Alix de France, a daughter of Louis VII, in 1195. They had one daughter who succeeded him. He was first buried at Notre-Dame de Balances and was transferred to Valloire in 1226.
   
3. Title: William IV, Count of Ponthieu (1179-1221), Wikipedia
   Author: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_IV,_Count_of_Ponthieu
   Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_IV,_Count_of_Ponthieu;
   Note: William IV Talvas (1179 – 4 October 1221) was William III, Count of Ponthieu and William IV (of the house of Belleme/Montgomery). He was Count of Ponthieu, ruler of a small province in northern France that fell under the suzerainty of the dukes of Normandy (later also kings of England) since at least the mid 11th century. He was son and heir of John I, Count of Ponthieu (died 1191) by his third wife Beatrice de St Pol. Talvas was married on August 20, 1195 to Alys, Countess of the Vexin, the daughter of King Louis VII of France. However, Alys then gave birth to a daughter and heiress, Marie, in 1199. William Talvas died in 1221. William was an important army commander in the Anglo-French War (1202–1214). He also participated in the Albigensian Crusade, particularly in the Siege of Termes in 1210. He was one of the commanders of the left wing of the French army in the Battle of Bouvines in 1214. Count of Ponthieu (1191–1221)
   
4. Title: PHILIPPA de Dreux ([1192]-17 Mar 1242)
   Author: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerold,_Prefect_of_Bavaria
   Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerold,_Prefect_of_Bavaria;
   Note: Inscription on Tome
   Page: France, Northern - Northern France, Nobility, p. 172: GUILLAUME [II] "Talvas" de Ponthieu, son of JEAN [I] Comte de Ponthieu & his third wife (after 1178-6 Oct 1221, bur Abbaye de Valloires, Somme). "Jean comte de Ponthieu, Guillaume son fils, et Beatrix son épouse" granted revenues to "Baudin et Simon son frère…" by charter dated 1186[1434]. He succeeded his father in 1191 as Comte de Ponthieu. "Will Talevas cuens de Pontieu" granted rights to Crècy, with the consent of "Guyon mon oncle", by charter dated 1194[1435]. He played an important role in the war in Normandy, commanding troops at the battle of Bouvines 1204. "Willelmus comes Pontivi et Monstreoli" donated property to the church of Saint Giosse, with the consent of "Marie filie mee et Aelis uxoris mee", by charter dated 1205[1436]. "Guilelmus comes Pontivi et Monstrolii" donated property to Saint-Maurice d’Agaune, for the souls of "Alaidis uxoris meæ et Mariæ filiæ meæ", by charter dated Mar 1210[1437]. He was part of the army brought together at Lyon in Apr 1215 to march against the Albigeois. "Willelmus comes Pontivi et Monsteroli" confirmed rights granted to the abbey of Balances by "Johannes comes Pontivi pater meus" by charter dated 1214[1438]. "Willelmus comes Pontivi et Monstreoli" confirmed property rights of the church of Saint-Valéry granted by "Johannis comitis Pontivi patris mei et Beatricis matris mee et mea" by charter dated Mar 1215[1439]. m (contract Mantes, Yvelines 20 Aug 1195) ALIX de France, daughter of LOUIS VII King of France & his [second wife Infanta doña Constanza de Castilla] ([4 Oct] 1160-after Jan 1213). Robert of Torigny records the death in 1160 of "Constantia regina Franciæ" while giving birth to a daughter[1440]. She is named Adelaide by Kerrebrouck[1441], but he cites no primary source on which this is based. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "reginam Margaretam Anglie et comitissam Aaliz" as children of King Louis VII & his second wife, specifying that Alix married "Guilelmus comes de Pontivo"[1442]. The De Rebus Hispaniæ of Rodericus Ximenes names "Adelodis" as the daughter of "Ludovico Regi Francorum" and his wife "Elisabeth" (error for Constantia), specifying that she married "Comitis de Pontivo"[1443]. There is some confusion between this daughter and King Louis VII's supposed daughter Alix by his third wife. Roger of Hoveden records that the betrothal of King Louis's daughter to Richard of England was first proposed in 1161, when Richard's older brother Henry was betrothed to her sister Marguerite[1444]. Chronologically, this can only refer to the king's daughter by his second marriage. This appears to be confirmed by the Chronicle of Gervase which records the betrothal in 1169 of "Ricardus…filius regis Anglæ" and "filiam regis Franciæ quam habuit de filia regis Hispanorum"[1445]. Ctss de Bourges 1174, as her dowry. Benedict of Peterborough records the betrothal "XI Kal Oct 1177" of "rex Anglie…Ricardus comes Pictaviæ filius eius" and "regi Franciæ…filiam" as part of the peace agreement between the two kings[1446]. It is assumed that this refers to the same daughter, although the primary source which confirms this beyond doubt has not yet been identified. If this is correct, she was presumably the same daughter who later married the Comte de Ponthieu. Until further information comes to light, it is assumed that Alix/Adelaide who was betrothed to Richard, and who later married the Comte de Ponthieu, was the daughter who was born in 1160, and that King Louis had no daughter of this name by his third marriage. Alix was brought up in England after her betrothal. Benedict of Peterborough records that the betrothal of "Alesia soror eius [Philippi regis Franciæ]" and Richard was renewed in 1189, commenting that the king of England "in custodia habet"[1447]. Richard refused the marriage after his accession to the throne. Kerrebrouck states that King Richard arranged her betrothal to his younger brother John in early 1193[1448], but the primary source which confirms this has not yet been identified. She returned to France in Aug 1195. Ctss d'Eu, Dame d’Arques in 1195, as her dowry for her marriage. "Willelmus comes Pontivi" granted rights to the commune of Marquienneterre, with the consent of "uxoris mee Aalidis filie Ludovici regis Francie", by charter dated 1199[1449]. "Willelmus comes Pontivi et Monstreoli" donated property to the church of Saint Giosse, with the consent of "Marie filie mee et Aelis uxoris mee", by charter dated 1205[1450]. "Willelmus comes Pontivi et Monstreoli…et Aalais uxor mea comitissa Pontivi et Maria filia mea" granted concessions by charter dated 1207[1451]. "Willelmus comes Pontivi et Monstreoli" granted rights to one of his vassals, with the consent of "Aalis, uxoris mee Ludovici regis filie et Marie filie mee", by charter dated Aug 1208[1452]. "Willelmus comes Pontivi et Monstreoli" granted rights to the commune of Maioc, with the consent of "Aalis, uxoris mee et Symonis de Bolonia, generis mei, et Marie filie mee, uxoris eius", by charter dated 1209[1453]. "Willelmus comes Pontivi et Monstreoli" granted rights to the nuns of Moreaucourt, for his soul and that of "Aelidis, uxoris mee, filie Ludovici regis Francie", by charter dated Dec 1209[1454]. "Guilelmus comes Pontivi et Monstrolii" donated property to Saint-Maurice d’Agaune, for the souls of "Alaidis uxoris meæ et Mariæ filiæ meæ", by charter dated Mar 1210[1455]. "Willaume comte de Pontieu et de Montreuil" agreed a concession made by one of his vassals, with the consent of "Aalis sa femme et de Marie leur fille" by charter dated Nov 1211[1456]. A charter dated Jan 1213 (New Style) confirms a grant of rights to the church of Sainte-Marie at Clairvaux by "Willelmus…Pontivi et Monstreoli comes et Aalis, uxor eius, filia pii regis Ludovici" agreed a concession made by one of his vassals, with the consent of "Aalis sa femme et de Marie leur fille"[1457]. A charter dated Mar 1215 under which "Willelmus comes Pontivi et Monstreoli" confirmed property rights of the church of Saint-Valéry granted by "Johannis comitis Pontivi patris mei et Beatricis matris mee et mea"[1458].
   
5. Title: Legacy NFS Source: William de Veteri-Ponte -
   Author: The House of Cockburn of that Ilk and the Cadets Thereof; Thomas H Cockburn-Hood {1888}, Page number: 28-29
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   Author: Battle Abbey Roll with Account of the Norman Lineages; Catherine Lucy Wilhelmina, Duchess of Cleveland {1889}, Page number: III:411
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7. Title: Legacy NFS Source: William de Veteri-Ponte -
   Author: History of the Chisholms; Alexander MacKenzie {1891}, Page number: 13
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