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Ida Gertrude de Hainaut
- Preferred Name: Ida Gertrude de Hainaut[1] [2] [3]
- Alternate Name: Getrude 'Ida' de Hainault
- Alternate Name: Idénie
- Gender: F
- Birth: ABT 1109 in Mons, Hainaut, Belgium at LATI: N0.454 LONG: E0.9536
- LdsBaptism: 30 JAN 1960 with note: GEDCOM data
- Birth+Place: 1109 in Hainaut, Flanders, Belgium at LATI: N0.5 LONG: E0.8333 with note: GEDCOM Data
- Death: 1162 in Headington, Oxfordshire, England at LATI: N1.7628 LONG: E1.1987 with note: GEDCOM data
- FSID: LY1D-R4J
- Fact: with note: Description: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainaut_(province)
- Nickname:
- Life Sketch: with note: Description: “Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
“ROGER DE TONY (or DE CONCHES), of Flamstead, Hertfordshire, Whittlesford, Cambridgeshire, South Tawton, Devon, Walthamstow, Essex, Holkham and Necton, Norfolk, Painscastle, Radnorshire, etc., seigneur of Conches and Nogent-le-Roi, born about 1104, and succeeded in 1126. He married before 1135 IDA (or IDENIE) DE HAINAULT, daughter of Baudouin III, Count of Hainault, by Yolande, daughter of Gerald I de Wassenberg, Count of Guelders. They had five sons, Ralph, Knt., Hugh, Roger, Knt., Baldwin, Knt., and Geoffrey (clerk), and two daughters, Elizabeth and Godeheut. He was granted 20 librates of land out of the royal demesne at East Bergholt, Suffolk by King Henry I. He made a grant to the Coulombs Abbey about 1130. In 1133 Hugh de Châteauneuf assaulted his castle at Nogent-le-Roi near Chartres. In 1138 he was engaged in a private war in France with the Earl of Leicester. At an unknown date, he confirmed the manor of East Wretham, Norfolk to Bec Abbey, including the half which the abbey has received from Coulombs in exchange for tithes near Anct. ROGER DE TONY died 1157-62.
Blomefield Essay towards a Top. Hist. of Norfolk 2 (1801): 319-330. Clutterbuck Hist. & Antiq. of the County of Hertford l (1815): 353-360. Dugdale Monasticon Anglicanum 6(2) (1846): 995 (charter of Roger son of Ralph de Tony the younger to Wootten Wawen Priory, Warwickshire; charter names Ida his wife). Munford Analysis of the Domesday Book of the County of Norfolk (1858): 32-34. Merlet Hist. a l’Abbaye de N.-D. de Coulombs (1864): 85-86 (charter of Roger de Thony dated c.1130; which charter names his wife, Idenia, and mentions manors in England named Bercoth [East Bergholt?] and Wensendona.). Charpillon Dictionnaire historique de toutes les Communes du Département de l'Eure (1868): 791-800. Maclean Parochial & Fam. Hist. of Blirland (1868): 64-66 (Tony-Beauchamp ped.). Chronica Hanoniæ (1040-1195) (Mémoires de la Société Historique et Litteraire de Tournai 14) (1874): 78 ("Balduinus autem Comes Hanoniensis de Yolende uxore sua filios habuit Balduirium primum et Gerardum secundum, et filias duas, quarum una Domino de Thoenio maritata fuit, alias vero Castellano Tomacensi."). Great Roll of the Pipe AD. 1158-1159 (Pipe Roll Soc. 1) (1884): 8. Great Roll of the Pipe AD. 1162-1163 (Pipe Roll Soc. 6) (1886); 28. Great Roll of the Pipe AD. 1164-1165 (Pipe Roll Soc. 8) (1887): 3, 71. Madan Gresleys of Drakelowe (Colls. Hist. Staffs. n.s. 1) (1898): 1-15. Revue historique et archiologique du Maine 47 (1900): 29-52. Cal. IPM 1 (1904): 184-192. Metais Chikeaux en Eure-et-Loir2 (Archives du Diocese de Chartres 13) (1908): Nogent-le-Roi, son Château et ses Seigneurs, 4-5 (author states Roger de Tony died c.1150). Metais Eglises & Chapelles du Diocese de Chartres 4th Ser. (Archives du Diocese de Chartres 15) (1908): Eglise abbatiale de Coulombs, 5-6. Farrer Feudal Cambridgeshire (1920): 50 (chart). C.P. 12(1) (1953) 762-764 (sub Tony). Sanders English Baronies (1960): 117. VCH Essex 6 (1973): 253-263. Ancient Deeds - Ser. A1 (List & Index Soc. 151) (1978): 27-28. VCH Cambridge 6 (1978): 136-141; 8 (1978): 263-276.. Procs. Battle Conference on Anglo-Norman Studies 2 (1979): 118-140. Mason Beauchamp Cartulary Charters 1100-1268 (Pipe Roll Soc. n.s. 43) (1980): lx (Tosny ped.), 203. Schwennicke Europäische Stammtafeln 2 (1984): 6 (ancestry of Gertrude de Hainaut). Harper-Bill Dodnash Priory Charters (Suffolk Charters 16) (1998): 6-7. Power Norman Frontier in the 126 & Early 13th Cents. (2004): 228, 296-297, 382 (chart). Tanner Fams., Friends, & Allies (2004): 291 (chart), 303 (chart). Bienvenu Grand Cartulaire de Fontevraud 2 (2005): 602-603 ("Postmodum Rogerius de Toenio, ejusdem Radulphi filius, particeps esse volens patris eleemosynae…Dedit etiam hanc libertatem...Concessit hoc id [sic, for Ida] uxor ejusdem Rogerii et filii eorum, Radulphus, Hugo, Rogerius, Balduini, Gaufridus, et filiae eorum, Elizabeth et Godehildis."), 615 (charter of Roger de Toeni and Ida his wife). Gilbert of Mons Chronicle of Hainaut (2005): 34-35 ("The oftmentioned Baldwin III count of Hainaut ... had as wife ... Yolende, daughter of Count Gérard of Gueldre, from whom Baldwin had sons: the eldest, Baldwin, ... and the second, Gérard, and two daughters, one of whom was married to the lord of Tosny, and the other to the castellan of Tournai ... the daughter who was married to the lord of Tosny had three sons who were distinguished knights of great name: the first was Ralph, the second was Roger and the third was Baldwin, and the fourth son Geoffrey was a pious clerk, honest and sufficiently learned ... The firstborn Ralph ... had a son Roger who succeeded him in his properties.") ,
Children of Roger de Toni, by Ida of Hainaut:
i. RALPH DE TONY, Knt [see next].
ii. GODEHILDE DE TONY, married WILLIAM DE MOHUN, of Dunster, Somerset [see MOHUN 5].”
- LdsEndowment: 7 AUG 1960 with note: GEDCOM data
- Notes:
=== Sources: Kraentzler 1311; A. Roots 98A. ===
Sources: Kraentzler 1311; A. Roots 98A. Roots: Ida de Hainaut. K: Ida (Gertrude) de Hainault.
=== Source: Frederick Lewis Weis & Walter Le ===
Source: Frederick Lewis Weis & Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr., Ancestral Roots of certain American colonists..., (Edition 7, Genealogical Publishing Company, Baltimore, 1992), 98A-25.
=== Ida descended from Robert II, died 1031, ===
Ida descended from Robert II, died 1031, King of France (see "Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists" by Frederick Lewis Weis, 5th ed.
=== !Ancestral Roots by Weis, Seventh Editio ===
!Ancestral Roots by Weis, Seventh Edition L 98A-25
=== He [Roger de Toeni] married Ida, daughte ===
He [Roger de Toeni] married Ida, daughter of BALDWIN III, COUNT OFHAINAULT, by Yolande, daughter of Gerard, COUNT OF GUELDERS. With herhe had in marriage from Henry 120 librates of land out of the royaldemesne at East Bergholt, Suffolk. He died after Michaelmas 1157 andprobably before 1162. [Complete Peerage XII/1:763-4, (transcribed byDave Utzinger)]
Ida, daughter of Baldwin III, Count of Hainault. [Burke's Peerage]
=== Ida, daughter of Baldwin III, Count of H ===
Ida, daughter of Baldwin III, Count of Hainault. [Burke's Peerage]
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He [Roger de Toeni] married Ida, daughter of BALDWIN III, COUNT OF HAINAULT, by Yolande, daughter of Gerard, COUNT OF GUELDERS. With her he had in marriage from Henry 120 librates of land out of the royal demesne at East Bergholt, Suffolk. He died after Michaelmas 1157 and probably before 1162. [Complete Peerage XII/1:763-4, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
=== Lineage Sources: Americana (Am. Hist. S ===
Lineage Sources: Americana (Am. Hist. Soc. Pub.), Vol. 35, pp. 234-239. Enc. Brittanica, 11th ed., Vol. 12, p. 822. Allstrom's Dictionary of Royal Houses and Nobility of Europe. Betham's Charts of Royal Houses of Europe.
Preferred Parents:
Father: Baldwin de Hainaut III Count of Hainaut, b. 10 AUG 1088 in Flanders, Nord, Nord-Pas-De-Calais, France d. 17 JUN 1119 in Israël
Family 1: Roger de Toeni III, b. 1104 in Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England d. 29 SEP 1157 in Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England
- m. ABT 1129 in Conches-en-Ouche, Eure, Normandy, France
- Godeheut de Toëni, b. 1135 in Conches-En-Ouche, Eure, France d. 1186 in Dunster, Somerset, England
- Ralph de Toeni de Conches V, b. ABT 1130 d. ABT 1162 in Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England
Sources:
- Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
Author: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com, Paul C. Reed, 6 Jan 2000.
Note: Source Media Type: Electronic.
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[Page] Paul C. Reed, 6 Jan 2000
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- Title: Ancestry Family Trees
Author: Ancestry Family Tree
- Title: Roger de Tosny and Gertrude de Hainaut in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3T-Z.htm#RogerIIITosnydied1158B [See document in the Memories section]
Publication: Name: https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/142064927;
Note: Roger de Toeni (Tosny) and Gertrude de Hainaut in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3T-Z.htm#RogerIIITosnydied1158B [See document in the Memories section]
Page: Roger de Toeni (Tosny) and Gertrude de Hainaut in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3T-Z.htm#RogerIIITosnydied1158B [See document in the Memories section]
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