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Maude de Meschines de Rumilly
- Preferred Name: Maude de Meschines de Rumilly[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]
- Alternate Name: de Belmeis
- Alternate Name: Matilda le Meschine
- Gender: F
- Burial: AUG 1214 in Wigmore Abbey, Wigmore, Herefordshire, England at LATI: N2.3351 LONG: E2.865 with note: Was Wigmore Abbey, Herefordshire, England
- Death: 1190 in Harringworth, Northamptonshire, England at LATI: N2.5685 LONG: E0.6514
- FSID: LZXB-YHN
- LdsEndowment: 9 AUG 1938
- LdsBaptism: 5 MAY 1938
- Birth: 1126 in Harringworth, Northamptonshire, England at LATI: N2.5685 LONG: E0.6514
- Notes:
=== Life Sketch ===
MATILDA de Rumilly (-after 1189[438]).
“Philippus de Belmeis” founded Lilleshall Abbey, Shropshire by undated charter, witnessed by “Philippus filius Philippi de Belmis…domina Matilda filia Willielmi Meschin uxor prædicti Philippi de Belmis…”[439].
The Complete Peerage explains the the documents which confirm her parentage and second marriage[440]: including (1) pleadings in a suit concerning land at Kimbolton, Hampshire, and in a suit dated Jan 1282 in the Chester County Court, which both name Roger de Mortimer as son and heir of "Maud la Meschine"[441]; (2) Roger Mortimer’s grant of rents in Bisley given to him by "his brothers Philip and Ranulph de Belmeis"[442]; (3) the charter of Philip de Belmeis, her first husband, quoted above.
m firstly PHILIP de Belmeis of Tong, Shropshire, son of [443]WALTER de Belmeis & his wife --- (-after May 1145).
m secondly ([1150]) HUGH [II] de Mortimer, son of RALPH [I] de Mortimer & his [second/third wife Mabel ---/---] (-Cleobury [26 Feb] [1180/81], bur Wigmore).
https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normabc.htm#MaudM2HughMortimer
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Maud is the daughter of William fitzRanulph, Lord of Copeland and Cecilia de Rumilly, Lady of Skipton.
She married, firstly, Philip de Belmeis.
She married, secondly, Hugh de Mortimer, son of Ralph de Mortimer, Seigneur de Saint Victor-en-Caux and Milicent de Ferrers.
Child of Maud and Hugh de Mortimer
- Roger de Mortimer d. 24 Jun 1214
http://www.thepeerage.com/p4898.htm#i48976
BIO
BIO: from http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMAN%20NOBILITY.htm#AviceRumillydiedafter1153 as of 4/18/2016
MATILDA de Rumilly (-after 1189[1131]). “Philippus de Belmeis” founded Lilleshall Abbey, Sh
=== == Biography == ===
== Biography ==
She is the daughter of [[Meschines-89|William Meschines]].
=== Name ===: Maud De Meschines[[[#MF|Millennium File]]][[[#AFT|Ancestry Family Trees]]]
: Maude Meschines
: Maud (Matilda) les Meschines
: Maud La Meschin[[[#PMT|Public Member Trees]]]
: Maud DeMeschines
=== Birth ===: 1126 Harringworth, Northumberland, England
: ca 1126/1144 Harringworth Northamptonshire
: 1140 Harringworth, Northamptonshire, England
=== Death ===
: 1190 Harringworth, Hampshire, England
==Disconnections==: Disconnected [[Belmeis-1|Phiip de Belmeis]] as her son, since he wasborn and died before Maude was born. (Can't be removed, PP.): Disconnected [[Mortimer-197|Maud Mortimer]] as her daughte since shewas born only 3 years after Maude was born. She may have been the daughter of Hugh Mortimer by his first wife.
== Sources ==* Yeatman, John Pym. ''[[Space:The Early Genealogical History of the House of Arundel|The Early Genealogical History of the House of Arundel]]'' (Mitchell and Hughes, London, 1882) Page 67
* Ancestry Family Trees.*[http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=12744898&pid=445544104 Ancestry.]*[http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=20194044&pid=1496 Ancestry.]*[http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=6835128&pid=-970497386 Ancestry.]*[http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=13078823&pid=607486765 Ancestry.]*[http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=13078823&pid=992067133 Ancestry.]*[http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=13078823&pid=645468520 Ancestry.]* Bradley, Hal. ''Bradley/Opp Ancestry'' (Dec 2001)* Public Member Trees (Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2006.) Family trees submitted by Ancestry members. Record for Alice De Belmeis* ''[[Space:Millennium File|The Millennium File]]'' (Heritage Consulting, Salt Lake City, UT, USA) Birth: 1120 Harringworth, Nrthants, England. Death: 1190
=== Footnotes ===
=== Initiatory work performed 13 Aug 1992. ===
Initiatory work performed 13 Aug 1992.
=== !Ancestral Roots by Weis, Seventh Editio ===
!Ancestral Roots by Weis, Seventh Edition line 132B-27 !Complete Peerage IX
=== REF: Weis, Ancestral Roots 132C-27. REF ===
REF: Weis, Ancestral Roots 132C-27. REF: Weis, Ancestral Roots 132B-27.
=== 1. Anc. Roots 132C-27, 132B-27. 2. or Ma ===
1. Anc. Roots 132C-27, 132B-27. 2. or Matilda. 3. dau. and coh., inherited the manor of Molland, co. Devon previously helkd by her maternal grandfather, Robert de Romilly. .
=== ROYAL ANCESTORS,M.L.CALL; ===
ROYAL ANCESTORS,M.L.CALL;
=== !SOURCES: Royal Ancestors of Magna Cart ===
!SOURCES: Royal Ancestors of Magna Carta Barons; by Carr P. Collins Jr, pg. 66 NOTES: Sirname also spelled MESCHIN
=== My PAF Notes ===
from thepeerage.com, 3/2009:
Maud le Meschin1
F, #48976
Maud le Meschin||p4898.htm#i48976|William le Meschin, Lord of Copeland||p10772.htm#i107717|Cecilia de Rumilly, Lady of Skipton||p10772.htm#i107718|Ranulf, Vicomte de Bayeux|b. c 1050\nd. Nov 1120|p4881.htm#i48804||||Robert Rumelli||p4894.htm#i48940||||
Last Edited=28 Nov 2006
Maud le Meschin is the daughter of William le Meschin, Lord of Copeland and Cecilia de Rumilly, Lady of Skipton .1 She married, firstly, Philip de Belmeis.1 She married, secondly, Hugh de Mortimer.1
Her married name became de Mortimer.1 Her married name became de Belmeis.1
Child of Maud le Meschin and Hugh de Mortimer
Roger de Mortimer + d. 24 Jun 12142
Citations
[S2 ] Peter W. Hammond, editor, The Complete Peerage or a History of the House of Lords and All its Members From the Earliest Times, Volume XIV: Addenda & Corrigenda (Stroud, Gloucestershire, U.K.: Sutton Publishing, 1998), page 53. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage, Volume XIV.
[S1916 ] Tim Boyle, "re: Boyle Family," e-mail message from > (unknown address) to Darryl Roger Lundy, 16 September 2006. Hereinafter cited as "re: Boyle Family".
=== Maud, daughter and coheir of William le ===
Maud, daughter and coheir of William le Meschin, of Skipton-in-Craven. [Complete Peerage]
=== !Maud, or Matilda La Meschine m. by 1138 ===
!Maud, or Matilda La Meschine m. by 1138/9 Philip de Belmeis, Lord of Tong, Salop, and Ashby, co Leicester, m. 2, Hugh de Mortimer. Her maternal grandfather was Robert de Romilly, from whom she was coheir and inherited the manor of Molland, Devon.
=== !"60 Colonists" line 132B-27. ! MAUD ===
!"60 Colonists" line 132B-27. ! MAUD (or MATILDA0 LA MESCHINE, dau. and coh., inherited toe manor of Molland, co. Devon previously held by her maternal grandfather, Robert de aRomilly, m. (1) by 1139 Philip de Bemels, adult by 1127, lord of Tong, co. Salop, and Ashby, co. Leicester, son of Walter de Belmeis; m. (2) Hugh de Mortimer, d. 1180/1, lord of Wigmore, co. Hereford.
=== Sources: Kraentzler 1097, 1117, 1126, 11 ===
Sources: Kraentzler 1097, 1117, 1126, 1133, 1309, 1383; Norr; A. Roots39, 132B, 132C. Norr: Probably second wife of Hugh. She was the widow of Philip deBelmeis. AF indicates she also could have been known as Maud Longspee, bornabout 1134. Simpson has her the daughter of William de Meschines--says all thesame person. She, however, lists father as William de Meschines and listsother ancestors. Was one of these women the wife of the Hugh (abt 1089-1148/50)for whom Norr does not list a wife? K: Maud/Maude de Meschines. Roots: Maud la Meschine (sic), daughter and coheir of William leMeschin. Inherited manor of Molland, Devonshire, held by her maternal grandfather, Robert de Rumilly.
=== SHROPSHIRE 5, VOL 2 P.208; THE PLANTAGEN ===
SHROPSHIRE 5, VOL 2 P.208; THE PLANTAGENET ANCESTRY (GS NUMBER Q940 D2T) P.76, 98; SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER 929.242 SO68) P.22, 25, 37; AM. PUBLICATION 155, VOL 2 P.242; ANCESTRAL FILE, LDS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY;
=== Fact 1: Co-heiress of her parents. Fact ===
Fact 1: Co-heiress of her parents. Fact 2: Inherited Manor of Molland, Devonshire, held by her maternalgrandfather
=== She inherited the manor of Molland, Devo ===
She inherited the manor of Molland, Devon from ther maternalgrandfather, Robert de Rumilly.
=== !SOURCE: "Royal Ancestors," PC #326. !N ===
!SOURCE: "Royal Ancestors," PC #326. !NOTE: The TIB does not have an Index Card for Maud Longespic.
=== update ===
Maud was the daughter and coheir of William le Meschin. Maud inherited the manor of Molland, Devonshire, held by her maternal grandfather, Robert de Rumilly. She first married Phillip de Belmeis, and she was the mother of Alice Belmeis. Maud married her second husband, Hugh de Mortimer, lord of Wigmore, Herefordshire and their son was Roger Mortimer of Wigmore.
Preferred Parents:
Father: Guillaume de Briquessart, b. ABT 1078 in Normandie, France d. 1130 in Egremont, Cumberland, England
Mother: Cicily de Rumilly Lady of Skipton, b. 1095 in Skipton, Yorkshire, England d. ABT 1151 in Craven, Yorkshire, England
Family 1: Hugh de Mortimer II, b. ABT 1110 in Wigmore, Herefordshire, England d. 26 FEB 1180 in Cleobury Mortimer, Shropshire, England
- Roger de Mortimer, b. 1158 in Ludlow herefordshire d. 1214 in Wigmore Abbey, Wigmore, Herefordshire, England
- Roger de Mortimer, b. ABT 1155 d. 24 JUN 1214 in Wigmore, Herefordshire, England
Family 2: Philip de Belmeis, b. ABT 1108 in Harrington, Northamptonshire, England d. in Harrington, Northamptonshire, England
- m. BEF 1140
- m. 1139 in Harringworth, Northamptonshire, England
- Adeline Belmeis, b. 1150 in Tong, Shropshire, England d. 1190 in Ashby, Leicestershire, England
Sources:
- Title: Hugh de Mortimer
Author: Cawley, Charles, Medieval Lands Project on the Mortimers and the Earls of March, Medieval Lands database, Foundation for Medieval Genealogy,[self-published source][better source needed] Remfry., P.M., Wigmore Castle, 1066 to 1181 (ISBN 1-899376-14-3) Weis, Frederick Lewis Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonist Who Came To America Before 1700 (7th ed.), line 136-24 Davies, Norman, The Isles: A History Barber, Richard, Henry Plantagenet Warren, W.L. (1973). Henry II. ISBN 0-520-03494-5.
Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_de_Mortimer;
Note: Names, dates and other data.
Page: To support my viewpoint.
- Title: Foundation for Medieval Genealogy
Publication: Name: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normabc.htm#MaudM2HughMortimer;
- Title: Philip de Belmeis & Meschines in Family Group Records Collection, Archives Section, 1942-1969; https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9QT-R3TC?cc=2060211&wc=WWF8-F3H%3A352086301%2C352498101
Author: "Family Group Records Collection, Archives Section, 1942-1969," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9QT-R3TC?cc=2060211&wc=WWF8-F3H%3A352086301%2C352498101 : 20 May 2014), D > Deats, Peter (1782) - Debnam, John (1723) > image 657 of 1258; The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, compiler, Family History Library, Salt Lake City, Utah.
Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9QT-R3TC;
Note: Philip de Belmeis married Maud Meschines and had children according to research before 1961
Page: Names, dates, locations, and relationships match research
- Title: Maud Meschin, "Find A Grave Index"
Author: "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVKR-KSPL : 3 June 2020), Maud Meschin, 1214; Burial, , ; citing record ID , Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.
Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVKR-KSPL;
- Title: The Peerage
Publication: Name: http://www.thepeerage.com/p4898.htm#i48976;
- Title: Maud Meschin, Find a Grave
Author: link from Hugh Mortimer
Publication: Name: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/57484168/maud-meschin;
Note: BIRTH unknown
DEATH 19 Aug 1214
Wigmore, Herefordshire Unitary Authority, Herefordshire, England
BURIAL
Wigmore Abbey
Wigmore, Herefordshire Unitary Authority, Herefordshire, England
Maud was the daughter and coheir of William le Meschin. Maud inherited the manor of Molland, Devonshire, held by her maternal grandfather, Robert de Rumilly. She first married Phillip de Belmeis, and she was the mother of Alice Belmeis. Maud married her second husband, Hugh de Mortimer, lord of Wigmore, Herefordshire and their son was Roger Mortimer of Wigmore.
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