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Robert de Vitré, III, Seigneur of Vitré
- Preferred Name: Robert de Vitré, III, Seigneur of Vitré[1] [2] [3] [4] [5]
- Gender: M
- FSID: KCTP-2WH
- LdsBaptism: 17 FEB 1993
- LdsEndowment: 19 FEB 1993
- AFN: with note: Description: 9Q4M-XN
- Birth: 1120 in Vitré, Ille-et-Vilaine, Brittany, France at LATI: N8.1285 LONG: E1.2115
- Death: 11 NOV 1173 in Vitre, Ille-et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France at LATI: N8.1285 LONG: E1.2115
- Burial: AFT 11 NOV 1173 in Savigny, Manche, Normandy, France at LATI: N9.0489 LONG: E1.3385
- Nickname:
- http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Baron of Vitré1154 in Vitré, Pays Rennais, Duchy of Brittany at LATI: N8.1285 LONG: E1.2115 with note: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_barons_de_Vitr%C3%A9
- http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Lord of the Tillars in France with note: https://www.myheritage.com/names/robert_vitre
- Notes:
=== Life Sketch ===
“Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
“ROBERT III DE VITRÉ, seigneur of Vitré, and, in right of his wife, of Cheveley, Cambridgeshire, born about 1120. He married before 1 April 1161 (date of charter) EMMA DE DINAN, widow of Hugues V d'Alluye, and daughter of Alain de Dinan, Chev., seigneur of Bécherel and Lehon, by Agnorie, daughter of Stephen (or Étienne), Count of Brittany, lord of Richmond [see RICHMOND 5 for her ancestry]. Her maritagium included the manor of Cheveley, Cambridgeshire. They had five sons, André [II] [seigneur of Vitré], Alain [seigneur of Dinan], Robert [Precentor of Paris], Joscelin, and Martin, and two daughters, Maud and Eleanor. He succeeded his father about 1155. ROBERT III DE VITRÉ died in 1173, and was buried in Savigny Abbey. Sometime before 1196, his widow, Emma, and her son, Robert de Vitré, were in possession of the manor of Burton by Thigden (or Burton Plessy) [in Burton Latimer], Northamptonshire, formerly held by her brother, Roland de Dinan; this manor escheated to the crown in 1196. His widow, Emma, was living in 1205, and died 18 December, before 1209.
Children of Robert [III] de Vitré, by Emma de Dinan:
i. ROBERT DE VITRÉ, canon of Saint-Julien of Le Mans, Precentor of the chapter of Notre-Dame of Paris, 1197-1208. About Michaelmas 1194 he served as pledge for his nephew, Henry de Pomeroy, to obtain his inheritance in England and abroad. Sometime before 1196, Robert de Vitré and his mother, Emma, were in possession of the manor of Burton by Thigden (or Burton Plessy) in Burton Latimer], Northamptonshire, formerly held by Emme's brother, Roland de Dinan; this manor escheated to the crown in 1196. He was given the manor of Cheveley, Cambridgeshire by his brother, André de Vitré. In 1199 he was granted the castle of Langeais, Indre-et-Loire in Touraine by his kinsman, Arthur, Duke of Brittany.
Note - her antecedants have not been fully determined. She is not listed as a child of Robert by the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy -
ii. MAUD DE VITRÉ, married before 1173 (as his 1st wife) HENRY DE POMEROY, of Berry Pomeroy, Devon, seigneur of La Pomerai in Normandy, son and heir of Henry de Pomeroy, of Berry Pomeroy, Devon, seigneur of La Pomerai in Normandy, by Rohese, daughter of Herbert Fitz Herbert. They had two sons, Henry and Gillmo (or Galleno). His wife, Maud, died before 1181. He married (2nd) before 1181 ROHESE (or ROSE) BARDOLF, daughter of Thomas Bardolf. Sometime before 1181 he granted the church of St. Madern, Cornwall to Bartholomew, Bishop of Exeter. In the same time period, he also gave the church of Brendon, Devon, together with the land of the hermits of Bagworthy to the Hospital of Jerusalem. In 1193 he fortified St. Michael's Mount, Cornwall for John, Count of Mortain [afterwards King John] against King Richard I. HENRY DE POMEROY died in 1194. His widow, Rohese, married (2nd) JOHN RUSSELL. In 1200 an assize came to recognize if Henry de Pomeroy unjustly and without judgment disseised John and Rohese his wife of their free tenement in Upottery, Ashcombe, and Stocklinch. Rohese was living 20 May 1227.
Child of Maud de Vitré, by Henry de Pomeroy:
a. HENRY DE POMEROY, of Berry Pomeroy, Ash (in Bradworthy), Bradworthy, Buckerel ands Awliscombe, Dexborough (in Pancrasweek), Dunsdon (in Pancrasweek), East Horwood, Hamsworthy (in Pancrasweek), Hatworthy (in Bradworth), Putford (in West Putford), Limescote (in Bradworthy), Pancrasweek, South Week (in Germansweek), Stone (in Sutcombe), Teign Canon (in Christow), and West Chevithorn (in Tiverton), Devon, Poughill, Cornwall, and Nether Stowey, Somerset, seigneur of La Pomerai in Normandy, son and heir, adult by 1194. He married ALICE DE VERE (or VEH'R). They had two sons, Henry and Geoffrey. Sometime before 1181 he witnessed his father's grant to Bartholomew, Bishop of Exeter. In the same period, he also witnessed his father's gift of land to the Hospital of Jerusalem, which gift he later confirmed. In the period, 1194-98, he issued a charter confirming the gift of his uncle, Joscelin de Pomeroy, of the vill of Tale to Forde Abbey, reserving to Henry and his heirs the free service of a pair of gilt spurs each year at Easter. Sometime in the period, 1194-1207, he gave rents in Boscawen (in St. Buryan) and Treliver (?Trelew), Cornwall to St. Michael's Mount, Cornwall. In 1205 his kinsman, Henry Fitz Count (illegitimate son of Reynold Fitz Roy, Earl of Cornwall) conveyed to him the manors of Brendon, Cherriton (in Brendon), and Clyst St. George, Devon.
iii. ELEANOR DE VITRÉ, married (1st) WILLIAM PAYNEL, of Drax, Yorkshire, Broughton, Lincolnshire, Wootton, Oxfordshire, etc. [see LONGESPÉE 4]; (2nd) GILBERT CRISPIN, seigneur of Tillières-sur-Avre (Eure) in Normandy, Headley and Westcote, Surrey, etc. [see LONGESPÉE 4]; (3rd) WILLIAM FITZ PATRICK, 2nd Earl of Salisbury [see LONGESPÉE 4]; (4th) GILBERT MALESMAINS, of Great Gaddesden, Hertfordshire [see LONGESPÉE 4].”
BIO
BIO: from http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BRITTANY.htm#EleonoreVitredied1232 as of 5/28/2016
ROBERT [III] de Vitré, son of ROBERT [II] Seigneur de Vitré & his wife Emma de la Guerche (-11 Nov 1173).
=== M E Sorley: The Sorley Pedigrees P 38 ===
M E Sorley: The Sorley Pedigrees P 38
=== Sources: Ancestral Roots 108; Falaise Ro ===
Sources: Ancestral Roots 108; Falaise Roll, page 3. Roots: Robert de Vitre. Roll: Called Robert the younger. Received from his grandfather, Robertde Mortain, all the land he held in Trugny, Nicey and Vercreuil, Normandy.At the end of the 12th century he possessed half the fief of Rye-en-Bessin andother lands in le Bocage.
=== !Ancestral Roots by Weis, Seventh Editio ===
!Ancestral Roots by Weis, Seventh Edition line 108-27
Preferred Parents:
Father: Robert De Vitré Tillars II, b. 1093 in Vitré, Ille-et-Vilaine, Brittany, France d. 22 NOV 1161 in Vitré, Ille-et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France
Mother: Emma de La Guerche, b. 1095 in La Guerche-de-Bretagne, Fougères-Vitré, Ille-et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France d. 1146 in Château-de-Châteaubriant, Châteaubriant, Loire-Atlantique, Pays de la Loire, France
Family 1: Emma de Dinan, b. 1136 in Dinan, Côtes-d'Armor, Bretagne, France d. 18 DEC 1208 in Vitré, Loire, Rhône-Alpes, France
- m. BEF 1 APR 1161 in Sancerre, Cher, Centre, France
- Eleanor de Vitré, b. 1158 in Vitré, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France d. AUG 1233 in Dorking, Mole Valley District, Surrey, England
- Maud de Vitre, b. 1146 in Brittany, France d. BEF 1193
- André de Vitré II, b. 1150 in Vitré, Loire, Rhône-Alpes, France d. 9 JUN 1211 in Vitré, Ille-et-Vilaine, Brittany, France
Family 2: Emma de Dinan, b. 1136 d. 18 DEC 1205
- Eleanor de Vitré, b. 1158 in Vitré, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France d. AUG 1233 in Dorking, Mole Valley District, Surrey, England
Family 3: Alix de Fougères, b. ABT 1120 in France d. ABT 1137
Family 4: Havoise de Châteaubriant, b. around 1115 in France d. BEF 1137
Sources:
- Title: Find a Grave
Publication: Name: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/153464303/robert_iii-de-vitr%C3%A9;
Note: Robert III de Vitré
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 1173
BURIAL Savigny-le-Vieux Abbaye
Savigny-le-Vieux, Departement de la Manche, Basse-Normandie, France
MEMORIAL ID 153464303
Father: Robert De Vitre (1091–1161)
- Title: Wikipedia (French) List of barons of Vitré
Author: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_barons_de_Vitr%C3%A9 right click to translate into English
Publication: Name: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_barons_de_Vitr%C3%A9;
Note: Robert II the Elder
( 1095 - after 1154 ) 1135 Robert-André Son of the previous one and married to Emme de La Guerche, he was driven from power by Conan III in 1135, like his father three years earlier. Also count of Mortain from 1106 to 1112 .
Robert II the Elder
( 1095 - after 1154 ) 1144 - 1154 Takes back power on 4 December 1144, following the battle of the Visseiche bridge . For having definitively driven out the Goranton-Hervé , he imposes his family as being the only true family of Vitré . He was overthrown by his son, Robert the Younger in 1154.
Page: Relationships and dates
- Title: Royal Ancestry -a study in colonial and medievalf families
Author: Douglas Richardson 2013
Note: “Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
“ROBERT II DE VITRÉ, seigneur of Vitré, son and heir. He married EMMA DE LA GUERCHE. They had two sons, André and Robert [III] (seigneur of Vitré), and one daughter, Adelaide [Abbess of St.-Georges de Rennes]. He succeeded his father about 1140. ROBERT II DE VITRÉ died 22 May, about 1155. His widow, Emma, was living 1 April 1161 (date of charter).
Du Paz Histoire généalogique de plusieurs Maisons illustrés de Bretagne (1619): 51-54. Bowles & Nichols Annals Antiqs. of Lacock Abby (1835): 264 (Dinan-Vitré ped.). Broussillon La Mailron de Laval 1 (1895): 271-314. Bull. de la Commission historique et archeologique de la Algenne 2nd Ser. 11(1895): 168-209. Keats-Rohan Domesday Descendants (2002): 771.”
Notes and sources:
Du Paz Histoire généalogique de plusieurs Maisons illustrés de Bretagne (1619): 16-18 & 25 (author identifies Agnorie, grandmother of André [III de Vitré, as the daughter of (Count] Étienne and his wife, Havoise), 51-54. Le Baud Histoire de Bretagne, avec les Chroniques des Maisons de Vitré et de Laval (1638): 27-30 (Les Chroniques de Vitré: author identifies Agnorie, grandmother of André III] de Vitré, as the daughter of Étienne, Count of Penthievre). Morice Memoirs pour Servir de Preuves d l'Histoire Ecclésiastique et Mile de Bretagne 1 (1742): 771. Stapleton Magni Rotuli Scaccarii Normanniæ 2 (1844): xlvi. Delisle Chronique de Robert de Torigni 2 (1873): 46-47 ("Robertus de Vitreio obiit, et successit ei filius suus Andreas, natus ex sorore Rollandi de Dinam."). Bowles & Nichols Annals & Antiqs. of Lacock Abbey (1835): 264 (Dinan-Vitré ped). Revue des Questions historiques 11 (1872): 212-213. Broussillon La Maison de Craon 1050-1480 1 (1893): 111-112 (charter dated 1184-90 of André [II] de Vitré to Savigny Abbey made with consent of his wife, Mathilde, and his brothers, Alan and Robert; charter names his father, Robert de Vitré). Broussillon La Maison de Laval 1 (1895): 271-314. Bull. de la Commission historique et archéologique de la Mayenne 2nd Ser. 11 (1895): 168-209. Farrer Feudal Cambridgeshire (1920): 41-42. VCH Northampton 3 (1930): 181-182. Paget (1957), p. 432:1 (William Paynel, of Broughton, co. Lincoln, etc., married Nov. 1177 Alianore, sister of Andrew de Vitrie, citing Cal. Doc. France I,. no 1458). Schwennicke 14 (1991): 136 (ancestry of Robert III de Vitré). Keats-Rohan Domesday Descendants (2002): 443- 444, 771. VCH Cambridge 10 (2002): 46.
notes and sources Robert, son of Robert
Morice Memoirs pour Servir de Preuves à l'Histoire Ecclésiastique et civile de Bretagne 1 (1742): 682, 771, 794-795. Bowles & Nichols Annals & Antiqs. of Lacock Abbey (1835): 264 (Dinan-Vitré ped.). Broussillon La Maison de Laval 1 (1895): 271-314. Round Cal. of Docs. Preserved in France 1 (1899): 473 (Robert de Vitré styled "kinsman" by Arthur, Duke of Brittany). Stenton Great Roll of the Pipe for the Sixth Year of the Reign of King Richard the First Michaelmas 1194 (Pipe Roll 40) (Pipe Roll Soc. n.s. 5) (1928): 169. VCH Northampton 3 (1930): 181-182. Charles Travis Clay Early Yorkshire Charters 4 (1935): 74. VCH Cambridge 10 (2002): 46.
notes and sources Maud
Rpt. & Trans. of the Devonshire Assoc. 15 (1883): 437-440. Select Civil Pleas 1 (Selden Soc. 3) (1890): 4. Vivian Vis. of Devon (1895): 605-606 (Pomeroy ped.). Devon & Cornwall Notes & Ozarks 8 (1915): 78-79.
notes and sources for grandson Henry (son of Maud)
Pole Colls. towards a Desc. of Devon (1791): 17-20. Rpt. & Trans. of the Devonshire Assoc. 15 (1883): 437-440. Vivian Vis. of Devon (1895): 605-606 (Pomeroy ped.). Martin Percy Charte (Surtees Soc. 117) (1911): 410-411. Reichel Devon Feet of Fines 1 (Devon & Cornwall Rec. Soc.) (1912): 8-10, 19-20, 35. Rowe Cornwall Feet of Fines 1 (Devon & Cornwall Rec. Soc.) (1914): 449-453. Devon & Cornwall Notes & Queries 8 (1915): 78-79. Stenton Great Roll of the Pipe for the Sixth Year of the Reign of King Richard the First Michaelmas 1194 (Pipe Roll 40) (Pipe Roll Soc. n.s. 5) (1928): 169. Hull Cartulary of St. Michael's Mount (Devon & Cornwall Record Society, n.s. 5) (1962): 18-19 (charter of Henry de Pomeroy, son of Maud de Vitré). Hobbs Cartulary of Forde Abbey (1998): 96-97 (charter of Henry de Pomeroy dated 1194-1198), 116. Devon Rec. Office: Seymour of Berry Pomeroy, 3799M-0/ET/2/4 (undated charter of Henry de Pomeroy) (available at www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp).
- Title: Our royal, titled, noble and commoner ancestors: Robert III de Vitrie, Seigneur de Vitré (1120-1173)
Author: Citations: 1. [S1400] Unknown author, Europaische Stammtafeln by Isenburg, chart 136. 2. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. III, p. 596-597. 3. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 161. 4. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 481. 5. [S11600] 40000 Ancestors of the Counts of Paris, 33-149.
Publication: Name: https://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p193.htm#i5784;
Note: Robert III de Vitrie, Seigneur de Vitré [1,2,3,4]
Last Edited 4 Apr 2020
M, #5784, b. circa 1120, d. 11 November 1173
Father Robert II de Vitré, Seigneur de Vitré [3] d. c 22 May 1155
Mother Emma de la Guerche [3] d. a 1 Apr 1161
Charts Some Descendants of Charlemagne
Robert III de Vitrie, Seigneur de Vitré was born circa 1120. [3] He married Emma de Dinan, daughter of Sir Alan de (Olivier II) Dinan, Viscount de Dinan and Alianore de Bretagne, before 1 April 1161; They had 5 sons (André II, Seigneur de Vitré; Alain, Seigneur de Dinan; Robert, Precentor of Paris; Joscelin; & Martin) & 2 daughters (Maud, wife of Henry de Pomeroy, Seigneur de la Pomerai; & Eleanor, wife of William Paynel, of Gilbert Criopin, Seigneur de Tillières-sur-Avre, of William FitzPatrick, 2nd Earl of Salisbury, & of Gilbert Malesmains). [2,3,4] Robert III de Vitrie, Seigneur de Vitré died on 11 November 1173; Buried in Savigny Abbey. [3]
Family: Emma de Dinan b. c 1120, d. bt 18 Dec 1205 - 18 Dec 1208
Children:
Andre II, Sire de Dinan+ d. Sep 1211
Alain de Vitré, Sire de Dinan+ d. 1198
Petronille de Vitré+ [5]
Maud de Vitré+ [3] d. b 1181
Alianore de Vitrie+ [2,3] b. c 1145, d. bt 31 May 1232 - 18 Aug 1233
Page: Relationships, dates, and 5 sources
- Title: Foundation for Medieval Genealogy
Publication: Name: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/brittnpr.htm#RobertIIIVitredied1173A;
Note: ROBERT [III] de Vitré, son of ROBERT [II] Seigneur de Vitré & his wife Emma de la Guerche (-11 Nov 1173). Le Baud names “Robert” as second son of Robert de Vitré and his wife[871]. The primary source which confirms his parentage has not been identified. Seigneur de Vitré. "Robertus dominus Vitreii" donated property to Sauvigny, with the consent of "Andrea filio meo et Emma uxore mea", for the souls of “...fratris mei Andreæ”, by charter dated 28 Mar 1160[872]. "Robertus dominus Vitreii" granted property to Sauvigny with the consent of "Andrea filio meo et Emma matre mea et Emma uxore mea" by charter dated 1 Apr 1161[873]. The Chronicon Savigniacense records the death "in festo hyemali sancti Martini" in 1173 of "Robertus de Vitreio tertius"[874].
m as her second husband, EMMA de Dinan, widow of HUGUES d´Alluie, daughter of ALAIN de Dinan & his wife --- (-after 7 Nov 1202). "Robertus dominus Vitreii" donated property to Sauvigny, with the consent of "Andrea filio meo et Emma uxore mea", for the souls of “...fratris mei Andreæ”, by charter dated 28 Mar 1160[875]. "Robertus dominus Vitreii" granted property to Sauvigny with the consent of "Andrea filio meo et Emma matre mea et Emma uxore mea" by charter dated 1 Apr 1161[876].
Her origin is confirmed by Robert of Torigny who records the death in 1173 of "Robertus de Vitreio" and the succession of "filius suus Andreas natus ex sorore Rolandi de Dinan"[877].
Her first marriage is confirmed by the charter dated to [1155/73] under which "Emma de Vitreio" confirmed a donation of property to the priory of Sainte-Croix de Vitré by "Hugonis de Aleia…tunc maritus meus", with the consent of "filio meo Johanni", by charter dated to [1155/73][878]. "Andreas dominus Vitrei" granted property to Sauvigny for the soul of "patris mei Roberti et matris mee Emma et uxoris mee Matildis" by undated charter[879].
An order of King John dated 7 Nov 1202 granted safe passage for a visit to "Andr de Vitreio et Emme matris sue"[880].
Robert de Vitré & his wife had six children:
1. ANDRE [II] de Vitré (before 1155-9 Jun 1210).
2. ALAIN de Vitré (-before Oct 1200).
3. ROBERT de Vitré (-[1201/7 Dec 1209]).
4. JOSCELIN de Vitré (-before [1200]).
5. MARTIN .
6. ELEONORE de Vitré (-20 Jul [1232/33]).
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