Hervey Walter IV

• Preferred Name: Hervey Walter IV^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]}
  
• Gender: M
  
• FSID: LRKG-63N
  
• AFN: with note: Description: V9SN-6R
  
• Birth: ABT 1130 in Weeton, Lancashire, England at LATI: N3.805 LONG: E2.937
  
• Death: 1189 in West Dereham, Norfolk, England at LATI: N2.581 LONG: E0.449 with note: GEDCOM data
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  Theobald was the son of Hervey Walter and his wife Matilda de Valoignes, who was one of the daughters of Theobald de Valoignes.
  Their children were
  1. Theobald,
  2. Hubert—future Chief Justiciar and Archbishop of Canterbury—
  3. Bartholomew,
  4. Roger, and
  5. Hamon.
  Theobald Walter and his brother Hubert were brought up by their uncle Ranulf de Glanvill, the great justiciar of Henry II of England who had married his mother's sister Bertha.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theobald_Walter,_1st_Chief_Butler_of_Ireland
  
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  === Came to England from Normandy in 1066 wi ===
  Came to England from Normandy in 1066 with William the Conqueror, was given property in Norfolk, Suffolk, England
  
  === Theobald was the son of Hervey Walter an ===
  Theobald was the son of Hervey Walter and his wife Matilda de Valoignes, who was one of the daughters of Theobald de Valoignes.
  Their children were
  1. Theobald,
  2. Hubert—future Chief Justiciar and Archbishop of Canterbury—
  3. Bartholomew,
  4. Roger, and
  5. Hamon.
  Theobald Walter and his brother Hubert were brought up by their uncle Ranulf de Glanvill, the great justiciar of Henry II of England who had married his mother's sister Bertha.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theobald_Walter,_1st_Chief_Butler_of_Ireland
  
  Came to England from Normandy in 1066 with William the Conqueror, was given property in Norfolk, Suffolk, England
  
  !#21> Complete Peerage-v12pt2-p246fn(g), (FHL 942 D22cok);
  
  Note:
  [jweber.FTW]It is from acorns that great oak trees grow. So let us begin by looking at the seedling of the Butler family tree. It will be found in 12th century England. The paternal ancestry of the family is traceable in unbroken succession to a certain Hervey who was living about 1130. From the "Testa de Nevil", which was compiled a century later, we know Hervey had a son, Hervey Walter (which suggests a maternal connection with someone by the name of Walter) and a daughter Alice, to whom her father gave a dowry of about 400 acres in Lancashire. Harvey seems also to have had various estates in East Anglia. But the identity of his father, mother or wife has not yet been established. It has been suggested in "The Complete Peerage" that he may have married an aunt of Thomas Becket, with whose family the Butlers were reputedly connected.Theobald Blake Butler, a leading authority on the history of the family, who died only this year [1965] and whose works are now available to scholars in the National Library, Dublin, the British Museum and the Irish Genealogical Research Society, laboriously traced back to Domesday the lands which this family subsequently held in East Anglia and Lancashire and discovered that at least nine of the sixteen or more holdings which our Hervey was believed to have owned in Norfolk and Suffolk were entered in Domesday Book under the ownership of Walter de Caen. The discovery led him to surmise that the paternal ancestor of the Butlers was Walter de Caen (son of William Malet who accompanied the Conqueror and, being half Saxon, was entrusted with the burial of King Harold after the Battle of Hastings). In his last years, however, Blake Butler was inclining to the view that Hervey in about 1130 may have acquired much of Walter de Caen's lands by marriage, which would make Hervey, not the son or grandson, but son-in-law of Walter de Caen. Further research on the point might prove rewarding, paricularly with reference to the most likely candidates of the name of Herve in 11th Century France and to the Hervey who was Becket's envoy at the Papal Court 1163 to 1166 when he died. The scattered Keurdon MSS are unlikely to carry the matter any further, though Carte did hint to the contrary; nor has the Buxton Collection of hundreds of unpublished medieval charters in Cambridge University Library helped on the point. But in Germany, the early archives of the Buttlar family certainly need appraisal. [Butler Family History]------------------------------------------------------------Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com, in a post-em, wrote:from the 1911 version of the Encyclopedia Britannica:BUTLER, the name of a family famous in the history of Ireland. The great house of the Butlers, alone among the families of the conquerors, rivalled the Geraldines, their neighbours, kinsfolk and mortal foes. Theobald Walter, their ancestor, was not among the first of the invaders. He was the grandson of one Hervey Walter who, in the time of Henry I., held Witheton or Weeton in Amoundernêss, a small fee of the honour of Lancaster, the manor of Newton in Suffolk, and certain lands in Norfolk. In the great inquest of Lancaster lands that followed a writ of 1212, this Hervey, named as the father of Hervey Walter, is said to have given lands in his fee of Weeton to Orm, son of Magnus, with his daughter Alice in marriage.
  
  Note:
  [jweber.FTW]It is from acorns that great oak trees grow. So let us begin by looking at the seedling of the Butler family tree. It will be found in 12th century England. The paternal ancestry of the family is traceable in unbroken succession to a certain Hervey who was living about 1130. From the "Testa de Nevil", which was compiled a century later, we know Hervey had a son, Hervey Walter (which suggests a maternal connection with someone by the name of Walter) and a daughter Alice, to whom her father gave a dowry of about 400 acres in Lancashire. Harvey seems also to have had various estates in East Anglia. But the identity of his father, mother or wife has not yet been established. It has been suggested in "The Complete Peerage" that he may have married an aunt of Thomas Becket, with whose family the Butlers were reputedly connected.Theobald Blake Butler, a leading authority on the history of the family, who died only this year [1965] and whose works are now available to scholars in the National Library, Dublin, the British Museum and the Irish Genealogical Research Society, laboriously traced back to Domesday the lands which this family subsequently held in East Anglia and Lancashire and discovered that at least nine of the sixteen or more holdings which our Hervey was believed to have owned in Norfolk and Suffolk were entered in Domesday Book under the ownership of Walter de Caen. The discovery led him to surmise that the paternal ancestor of the Butlers was Walter de Caen (son of William Malet who accompanied the Conqueror and, being half Saxon, was entrusted with the burial of King Harold after the Battle of Hastings). In his last years, however, Blake Butler was inclining to the view that Hervey in about 1130 may have acquired much of Walter de Caen's lands by marriage, which would make Hervey, not the son or grandson, but son-in-law of Walter de Caen. Further research on the point might prove rewarding, paricularly with reference to the most likely candidates of the name of Herve in 11th Century France and to the Hervey who was Becket's envoy at the Papal Court 1163 to 1166 when he died. The scattered Keurdon MSS are unlikely to carry the matter any further, though Carte did hint to the contrary; nor has the Buxton Collection of hundreds of unpublished medieval charters in Cambridge University Library helped on the point. But in Germany, the early archives of the Buttlar family certainly need appraisal. [Butler Family History]------------------------------------------------------------Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com, in a post-em, wrote:from the 1911 version of the Encyclopedia Britannica:BUTLER, the name of a family famous in the history of Ireland. The great house of the Butlers, alone among the families of the conquerors, rivalled the Geraldines, their neighbours, kinsfolk and mortal foes. Theobald Walter, their ancestor, was not among the first of the invaders. He was the grandson of one Hervey Walter who, in the time of Henry I., held Witheton or Weeton in Amoundernêss, a small fee of the honour of Lancaster, the manor of Newton in Suffolk, and certain lands in Norfolk. In the great inquest of Lancaster lands that followed a writ of 1212, this Hervey, named as the father of Hervey Walter, is said to have given lands in his fee of Weeton to Orm, son of Magnus, with his daughter Alice in marriage.
  
  === Note:
  [jweber.FTW]
  
  It is from acorns th ===
  Note:
  [jweber.FTW]
  
  It is from acorns that great oak trees grow. So let us begin by looking at the seedling of the Butler family tree. It will be found in 12th century England. The paternal ancestry of the family is traceable in unbroken succession to a certain Hervey who was living about 1130. From the "Testa de Nevil", which was compiled a century later, we know Hervey had a son, Hervey Walter (which suggests a maternal connection with someone by the name of Walter) and a daughter Alice, to whom her father gave a dowry of about 400 acres in Lancashire. Harvey seems also to have had various estates in East Anglia. But the identity of his father, mother or wife has not yet been established. It has been suggested in "The Complete Peerage" that he may have married an aunt of Thomas Becket, with whose family the Butlers were reputedly connected.
  
  Theobald Blake Butler, a leading authority on the history of the family, who died only this year [1965] and whose works are now available to scholars in the National Library, Dublin, the British Museum and the Irish Genealogical Research Society, laboriously traced back to Domesday the lands which this family subsequently held in East Anglia and Lancashire and discovered that at least nine of the sixteen or more holdings which our Hervey was believed to have owned in Norfolk and Suffolk were entered in Domesday Book under the ownership of Walter de Caen. The discovery led him to surmise that the paternal ancestor of the Butlers was Walter de Caen (son of William Malet who accompanied the Conqueror and, being half Saxon, was entrusted with the burial of King Harold after the Battle of Hastings). In his last years, however, Blake Butler was inclining to the view that Hervey in about 1130 may have acquired much of Walter de Caen's lands by marriage, which would make Hervey, not the son or grandson, but son-in-law of Walter de Caen. Further research on the point might prove rewarding, paricularly with reference to the most likely candidates of the name of Herve in 11th Century France and to the Hervey who was Becket's envoy at the Papal Court 1163 to 1166 when he died. The scattered Keurdon MSS are unlikely to carry the matter any further, though Carte did hint to the contrary; nor has the Buxton Collection of hundreds of unpublished medieval charters in Cambridge University Library helped on the point. But in Germany, the early archives of the Buttlar family certainly need appraisal. [Butler Family History]
  
  ------------------------------------------------------------
  
  Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com, in a post-em, wrote:
  
  from the 1911 version of the Encyclopedia Britannica:
  BUTLER, the name of a family famous in the history of Ireland. The great house of the Butlers, alone among the families of the conquerors, rivalled the Geraldines, their neighbours, kinsfolk and mortal foes. Theobald Walter, their ancestor, was not among the first of the invaders. He was the grandson of one Hervey Walter who, in the time of Henry I., held Witheton or Weeton in Amoundernêss, a small fee of the honour of Lancaster, the manor of Newton in Suffolk, and certain lands in Norfolk. In the great inquest of Lancaster lands that followed a writ of 1212, this Hervey, named as the father of Hervey Walter, is said to have given lands in his fee of Weeton to Orm, son of Magnus, with his daughter Alice in marriage.

• m. ABT 1155 in West Dereham, Norfolk, England

1. Theobald Walter le Boteler, b. ABT 1165 in West Dereham, Norfolk, England, United Kingdom     d. 4 FEB 1206 in Arklow Castle, County Wicklow, Ireland

1. Title: The Houghton genealogy : the descendants of Ralph and John Houghton of Lancaster, Massachusetts
   Author: pages 19-21
   Publication: Name: https://archive.org/stream/houghtongenealog00houg#page/20/mode/2up;
   
2. Title: Wikipedia - Theobald Walter 1st Chief Butler of Ireland
   Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theobald_Walter,_1st_Chief_Butler_of_Ireland;
   
3. Title: Hervey Walter in Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors
   Note: Hervey Walter [1] Last Edited 4 Apr 2020 M, #5958 Father Hervey Walter Hervey Walter died at of West Dereham, Norfolk, England. He was born at of Amounderness, Lancashire, England. He married Maud de Valoignes, daughter of Theobald de Valoignes, Lord Parham. Family: Maud de Valoignes Children: Hubert FitzWalter, Archbishop of Canterbury d. 1205 Roger FitzWalter Hamo FitzWalter Walter FitzWalter Theobald FitzWalter, Sheriff of Lancashire, Lord Preston+ b. c 1160, d. a 4 Aug 1205 Citation: 1. [S1484] Unknown author, The Complete Peerage, by Cokayne, Vol. II, p. 447; Burke's Peerage, 1938, p. 1909; Stemmata Robertson, p. 216.
   
4. Title: William de Glanville in "Records of the Anglo-Norman House of Glanville from A.D. 1050 to 1880 ..." , page 56
   Author: page, xvii gives details of how Walter Herveus and Hervey de Glanville are one and the same people. Page 175 gives ancient pedigree chart, page 56 gives details of William and wife Gundred, daughter of William Warenne II
   Publication: Name: https://books.google.nl/books?id=KZRpAAAAMAAJ&q=%22hervey+de+glanville%22+matilda&dq=%22hervey+de+glanville%22+matilda&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=d53YVJSoIYWX7Aah_oGYCQ&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA#v=snippet&q=%22hervey%20de%20glanville%22%20matilda&f=false;
   Note: name, siblings, spouse, child
   
5. Title: Hervey Walter in The Peerage
   Author: http://www.thepeerage.com/p19584.htm#i195839 [citations]
   Publication: Name: http://www.thepeerage.com/p19584.htm#i195839;
   Note: Hervey Walter [1] M, #195839, d. before 1190 Last Edited=25 Jan 2015 Hervey Walter was the son of Hervey (?) and unknown daughter Becket. [2] He married Maud de Valoignes, daughter of Theobald de Valoignes. [3] He died before 1190. [2] He was heir to Hubert Walter. [2] He lived at West Dereham, Norfolk, England [G.1] Children of Hervey Walter and Maud de Valoignes: Theobald fitz Walter+ [1] d. fr 4 Aug 1205 - 14 Feb 1205/6 Hubert Walter [1] d. 1205 Hamo Pincerna+ [3] Roger fitz Walter [2] Citations: 1. [S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume II, page 447. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage. 2. [S37] BP2003 volume 2, page 2807. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S37] 3. [S37] BP2003. [S37]
   
6. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Hervey de Glanville -
   Author: "The Parentage of Ranulf de Glanville", Moriarty, G. Andrews, New England Historic, Genealogical Society, Los Angeles Public Library, Page number: p. 299
   Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:3247297195