Guy de Ponthieu II

• Preferred Name: Guy de Ponthieu II^{[1] [2] [3] [4]}
  
• Gender: M
  
• FSID: LZ1V-KQC
  
• Birth: ABT 1116 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardie, France at LATI: N9.9167 LONG: E0.5
  
• Death: 25 DEC 1147 in Ephesus, İzmir Province, Turkey at LATI: N7.9547 LONG: E7.38
  
• Burial: in Ponthieu, France at LATI: N0.1667 LONG: E0.9167
  
• National Identification: with note: Description: IND2729
  
• Christening: in Ponthieu, France at LATI: N0.1667 LONG: E0.9167
  
• Founding+of+the+Valloires+Cistercian+Abbey+in+France.: ABT 1137 in Argoules, Somme, Picardie, France at LATI: N0.3418 LONG: E0.8353
  
• MilitaryService: Served in the 2nd Crusade under King Louis VII of France.1147 in Edessa, Şanlıurfa, Turkey at LATI: N7.1333 LONG: E8.7667
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  From Medlands:
  http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#GuyIIPonthieudied1147B
  
  GUY [II] de Ponthieu, son of GUILLAUME [I] "Talvas" Comte de Ponthieu & his wife Hélie de Bourgogne [Capet] (-Ephesus [25 Dec] 1147). His parentage is recorded by Orderic Vitalis[913]. He succeeded before 1129 as Comte de Ponthieu. "Guido comes Pontivi" donated property to Cîteaux with the consent of "pater eius Willelmus comes…et mater eius Hela" by charter dated 18 Dec 1139, signed by "Guido comes et uxor sua Ida"[914]. He left on crusade in 1146.
  
  m (before 18 Dec 1139) IDA, daughter of --- (-after 1177). "Wido comes Pontivii" confirmed freedoms over his lands, with the consent of "patris mei Willermi et domine Ele matris mee, fratris mei Johannis et uxoris mee Ide et filii mei Johannis" by undated charter[915]. "Guido comes Pontivi" donated property to Cîteaux by charter dated 18 Dec 1139, signed by "Guido comes et uxor sua Ida"[916]. "Jean comte de Ponthieu" founded l´Hôtel-Dieu d´Abbeville by charter dated 1158, witnessed by "Ide comtesse…"[917]. "Johannes comes Pontivi" confirmed rights of the monks of Val, with the consent of "Guidonis fratris mei et Beatricis comitisse uxoris mee", by charter dated 1177, which also names "mater mea Ida comitissa"[918].
  
  Comte Guy [II] & his wife had three children
  
  Guy II of Ponthieu (c. 1120–1147), the son of William III of Ponthieu and Helie of Burgundy, succeeded his father as Count of Ponthieu during William's lifetime. He died on the Second Crusade and was succeeded by his son John I of Ponthieu.
  
  The County of Ponthieu was a province of Normandy centered on the mouth of the Somme, and its counts played an important role in the early history of Normandy. It eventually formed part of the dowry of Eleanor of Castile and passed to the English crown. Much fought-over in the Hundred Years' War, it eventually passed to the French royal domain, and the title Count of Ponthieu became a courtesy title for the royal family.
  
  Guy II of Ponthieu (c. 1120–25 December 1147) was the son of William III of Ponthieu and Helie of Burgundy. He succeeded his father as Count of Ponthieu before 1129; this was during William's lifetime. Around 1137, he founded the Cistercian Valloires Abbey. in 1146, he joined the Second Crusade under King Louis VII of France. He died of a unknown disease on 25 December 1147 in Ephesus, Greece. He was succeeded by his son John I of Ponthieu. Marriage and issue: His wife was called Ida; whose last name is unknown, he had three children with her: John I (d. 1191), Count of Ponthieu Guido (d. between 1208 and 1218), Lord of Noyelles Agnes, abbess in Montreuil
  
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  Guy Ii Talvas, Comte de Ponthieu's Timeline
  1115
  1115
  Birth of Guy
  Ponthieu, France
  1139
  1139
  Age 24
  Birth of Rohese of Ponthieu
  Ponthieu, Picardie, France
  1142
  1142
  Age 27
  Birth of Jean I Montgommery, comte de Ponthieu
  Montreuil-sous-Bois, Seine-St-Denis, France
  1147
  December 25, 1147
  Age 33
  Death of Guy at Ephesus on way to Holy Land
  Ephesus on way to Holy Land
  1992
  September 1, 1992
  Age 32
  baptised (LDS) on 9/1/1992
  1993
  February 25, 1993
  Age 32
  endowed (LDS) on 2/25/1993
  ????
  Birth of Guy sei
  
  https://www.geni.com/people/Guy-Ii-Talvas-Comte-de-Ponthieu/6000000000535403717?through=6000000003146963469
  
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  == Biography ==GUY [II] de Ponthieu, son of GUILLAUME [I] "Talvas" Comte de Ponthieu & his wife Hélie de Bourgogne [Capet] (-Ephesus [25 Dec] 1147).
  He succeeded [before 1129] as Comte de Ponthieu. “filiorum primogenitus Wido” was made “patre vivente...comes Pontivi”
  
  : His parents and wife are verified by this next entry:"Guido comes Pontivi" donated property to Cîteaux with the consent of"pater eius Willelmus comes…et mater eius Hela" by charter dated 18Dec 1139, signed by "Guido comes et uxor sua Ida"[1441]. He left on crusade in 1146.
  
  == Sources ==* http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#GuyIIPonthieudied1147
  
  History of Guy II of Ponthieu (1120-1147)
  Guy II of Ponthieu (c. 1120–25 December 1147) was the son of William III of Ponthieu and Helie of Burgundy.
  
  Life
  He succeeded his father as Count of Ponthieu before 1129; this was during William's li
  
  BIO
  BIO: Count of Ponthiu
  
  ** from http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#GuyIIPonthieudied1147B as of 5/28/2016
  
  GUY [II] de Ponthieu, son of GUILLAUME [I] "Talvas" Comte de Ponthieu & hi
  
  Wikipedia
  Guy II de Ponthieu († 1147), fut comte de Ponthieu de 1126 à 1147. Il était fils de Guillaume Ier, comte de Ponthieu et seigneur d'Alençon, et d'Hélène de Bourgogne.
  
  Son père lui donna le Ponthieu
  
  === https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_II_of_Ponthieu ===
  
  Hollister, C. Warren (2001). Frost, Amanda Clark, ed. Henry I. Yale University Press.
  Holt, James Clarke (1985). Magna Carta and Medieval Government. Hambledon Press.
  Lewis, Kevin James (2017). The Counts of Tripoli and Lebanon in the Twelfth Century: Sons of Saint-Gilles. Routledge.

1. Jean de Ponthieu I, b. ABT 1135 in Montreuil, Flandres, France     d. 30 JUN 1191 in Acre, Hazafon, Palestine (Died in battle at Siege of Acre, Palestine during his third crusade)

1. Title: Foundation for Medieval Genealogy - GUY [II] de Ponthieu (-Ephesus [25 Dec] 1147)
   Author: FMG Projects/MedLands
   Publication: Name: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfraamp.htm#GuyIIPonthieudied1147;
   Note: GUY [II] de Ponthieu (-Ephesus [25 Dec] 1147). His parentage is recorded by Orderic Vitalis[772]. He succeeded before 1129 as Comte de Ponthieu.
   Page: Source record for GUY [II] de Ponthieu (-Ephesus [25 Dec] 1147).
   
2. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Guy de Ponthieu Count of Ponthieu -
   Author: Stirnet.com, Peter Barns-Graham, Chairman, Name: http://www.stirnet.com;, Page number: Montgomery01
   Note: Peter Barns-Graham, Chairman, Stirnet.com (http://www.stirnet.com).
   Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:3246398939
   
3. Title: Foundation for Medieval Genealogy - GUY [II] de Ponthieu, son of GUILLAUME [I] "Talvas" Comte de Ponthieu & his wife Hélie de Bourgogne [Capet] (-Ephesus [25 Dec] 1147)
   Author: FMG Projects/MedLands
   Publication: Name: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfraamp.htm#AdelaPonthieudied1241MThomasStValery;
   Note: GUY [II] de Ponthieu, son of GUILLAUME [I] "Talvas" Comte de Ponthieu & his wife Hélie de Bourgogne [Capet] (-Ephesus [25 Dec] 1147). His parentage is recorded by Orderic Vitalis[786]. He succeeded [before 1129] as Comte de Ponthieu. Guillaume of Jumièges records that ”Willelmum Talavatium” married “Ala...quæ fuerat antea uxor ducis Burgundiæ” [incorrect], and had “duos filios et totidem filias” of whom “filiorum primogenitus Wido” was made “patre vivente...comes Pontivi”[787]. "Guido comes Pontivi" donated property to Cîteaux with the consent of "pater eius Willelmus comes…et mater eius Hela" by charter dated 18 Dec 1139, signed by "Guido comes et uxor sua Ida"[788]. He left on crusade in 1146. m (before 18 Dec 1139) IDA, daughter of --- (-after 1177). "Wido comes Pontivii" confirmed freedoms over his lands, with the consent of "patris mei Willermi et domine Ele matris mee, fratris mei Johannis et uxoris mee Ide et filii mei Johannis" by undated charter[789]. "Guido comes Pontivi" donated property to Cîteaux by charter dated 18 Dec 1139, signed by "Guido comes et uxor sua Ida"[790]. "Jean comte de Ponthieu" founded l’Hôtel-Dieu d’Abbeville by charter dated 1158, witnessed by "Ide comtesse…"[791]. "Johannes comes Pontivi" confirmed rights of the monks of Val, with the consent of "Guidonis fratris mei et Beatricis comitisse uxoris mee", by charter dated 1177, which also names "mater mea Ida comitissa"[792]. Comte Guy [II] & his wife had three children: 1. JEAN [I] de Ponthieu (-Acre 30 Jun 1191). "Wido comes Pontivii" confirmed freedoms over his lands, with the consent of "patris mei Willermi et domine Ele matris mee, fratris mei Johannis et uxoris mee Ide et filii mei Johannis" by undated charter[793]. He succeeded his father as Comte de Ponthieu. "Jean comte de Ponthieu" founded l’Hôtel-Dieu d’Abbeville by charter dated 1158, witnessed by "Ide comtesse…"[794]. Robert of Torigny records that Henry II King of England granted "castrum Alenceium et Rocam Mabiriæ" to "Willermus Talavacius comes Sagiensis et filius eius Johannes et iterum Johannes nepos eius filius Guidonis primogeniti sui comitis Pontivi" in 1166[795]. Robert of Torigny records the death in 1171 of "Guillermus Talavercius comes Pontivi" and the succession of "Johannes nepos suus…ex Guidone primogenitor suo"[796]. "Jean comte de Ponthieu, Guillaume son fils, et Beatrix son épouse" granted revenues to "Baudin et Simon son frère…" by charter dated 1186[797]. m firstly (after 1158) MATHILDE, daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not been identified. 1162. m secondly (after 1162 [repudiated, before 1170]) [as her first husband,] LAURE de Saint-Valéry, daughter of RENAUD de Saint-Valéry & his [second] wife ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not been identified. Domesday Descendants records that Renaud de Saint-Valéry was the father of "Laura wife first of John count of Ponthieu, by whom she was repudiated, and secondly of Alleaume de Fontaines", but does not cite the corresponding primary sources[798]. [She married secondly Alleaume de Fontaines.] m thirdly (before 4 Dec 1170) BEATRIX de Saint-Pol, daughter of ANSELME "Candavène" Seigneur de Lucheux et de Tarentefirt [later Comte de Saint-Pol] & his first wife --- (-1202 or after). "Johannes comes Pontivi" confirmed rights of the monks of Val, with the consent of "Guidonis fratris mei et Beatricis comitisse uxoris mee", by charter dated 1177, which also names "mater mea Ida comitissa"[799]. The primary source which confirms her parentage has not been identified. "Jean comte de Ponthieu, Guillaume son fils, et Beatrix son épouse" granted revenues to "Baudin et Simon son frère…" by charter dated 1186[800]. 2. GUY de Ponthieu (-[1205/Nov 1218]). "Johannes comes Pontivi" confirmed rights of the monks of Val, with the consent of "Guidonis fratris mei et Beatricis comitisse uxoris mee", by charter dated 1177, which also names "mater mea Ida comitissa"[810]. Seigneur de Noyelles. "Will Talevas cuens de Pontieu" granted rights to Crècy, with the consent of "Guyon mon oncle", by charter dated 1194[811]. Teutonic Knight 1205. A charter dated Nov 1218 issued by "Willelmus comes Pontivi et Monstreoli" confirmed grants by "Johannes pater meus" to "Guidoni fratri suo", and names "Johanni filio et heredi dicti Guidonis avunculi mei" and "Willelmus de Maneriis frater minor dicti Johannis"[812]. - SEIGNEURS de MAISNIERES, SEIGNEURS de MAINTENAY[813]. 3. AGNES de Ponthieu . The primary source which confirms her parentage has not been identified. Abbess at Montreuil.
   Page: Source record for GUY [II] de Ponthieu, son of GUILLAUME [I] "Talvas" Comte de Ponthieu & his wife Hélie de Bourgogne [Capet] (-Ephesus [25 Dec] 1147).
   
4. Title: Guy II of Ponthieu, Wikipedia
   Author: Wikipedia
   Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_II_of_Ponthieu;
   Note: Guy II of Ponthieu (c. 1120–25 December 1147) was the son of William III of Ponthieu and Helie of Burgundy. He succeeded his father as Count of Ponthieu before 1129. He joined the Second Crusade under King Louis VII of France, and died of a disease on 25 December 1147 in Ephesus. His wife was called Ida.