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Ralph de Limesi II
- Preferred Name: Ralph de Limesi II[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22]
- Gender: M
- http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Baron
- Death: BEF 1129 in Hertfordshire, England, United Kingdom at LATI: N1.8375 LONG: E0.1895
- Birth: ABT 1067 in Pirton, Hertfordshire, England, United Kingdom at LATI: N1.9725 LONG: E0.3289
- FSID: K1TC-9DH
- Notes:
=== Life Sketch ===
The following information on Ralph (II) de Limesi, appears on page 549 in the book "Domesday Descendants: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents, 1066-1166, Volume 2", by K.S.B. Keats-Rohan (and published by Boydell Press in 2002; FHL Book # 942 D3KK): "de Limesi, Radulf II: Son of Ralph I de Limesi, d.c.1093. Married Hadvise, by whom he was father of Alan and Raerus. He died between after 1115, and before 1129, when Alan was his heir."
The following comments about "Ralph de Limesi" have been extracted from the BFO online publication: "The Early Broughs of Staffordshire: 1055 to 1510", by David Bethell, 1981. Online reference: http://www.broughfamily.org/history/broughs_1055-1510_ad.html):
Robert de Limesi used his position as bishop to expropriate extensive lands in Staffordshire belonging to the diocese for his daughter Celestria and her husband Noel. By this means the Noel family acquired Ellenhall, Seighford, Clanford, Bridgeford, Podmore and Milnmease, as well as Granborough in Warwickshire. Ranton Priory was a little more than a mile north of Brough; Ellenhall lies immediately to the north of Ranton.
Although, prior to the Reformation, English bishops were normally strictly celibate, it was neither illegal nor uncommon for bishops in the 12th century to marry and have children, and it may be assumed that there were other descendants of Robert de Limesi. Philip fitz Bishop, who was at Brough by 1199, and is thought to have been a cousin of Thomas Noel (son of Robert fitz Noel), was probably a grandson of Robert. Robert is assumed to have been a son or brother of Ralph de Limesi...
Ralph was described as a son of the sister (unspecified) of William the Conqueror; he "enjoyed the lands of Christiana, one of the sisters of Edgar Atheling, by marriage (as some affirm, and according to others by gift of the Conqueror), among which was Ulverly in the county of Warwick, which he made his principal seat.". This would make Robert de Limesi, Bishop of Chester, a grandson or greatgrandson on the material side of Robert Duke of Normandy. If Ralph de Limesi was husband of Christiana the legitimate title to the English throne would have passed through Ralph’s eldest descendants.
In 1917 a book entitled "The Lindeseie and Limesi Families of Great Britain, Including the Probates at Sumerset House, London, England, of all Spellings of the Name Lindeseie from 1300-1800, Volume 1", was "privately printed" in "Boston, Massachusetts" by "John William Linzee, A.B., S.B." This publication is available online (https://archive.org/stream/linzeefamilyofgr01linz#page/n13/mode/2up) and presents the following descendants of the Limesi family:
RADULFUS or RALPH DE LIMESI, born about 1067
"Radulfus or Ralph de Limesi, son of Radulfus de Limesi…; b. about 1067; probably the Radulfo de Limesi a witness to a charter by Henry I., who reigned from 1100-1135…. Radulfus de Limesi m[arried] Halewise or Hawisia whose dowry were the lands of Nigel de Bradwell; she d. after he son Raerus had attained his majority, as he witnessed his mother's grant. Radulfus was probably alive in 1120, as his son Alanus is not mentioned until after 1131." (See page 206.)
=== Son of Randulph Limesi and Hawise Limesi ===
Son of Randulph Limesi and Hawise Limesi; father of Galfrid/Gerard who m.Amicia Bidun. [Jim Weber FOSTER, BURR LINES Son of Ralph de Lindsay;father of: 1. Galfrid/Gerard de Limesi who m. Amicia de Bidum 2. Triannusde Lindsay 3. Celestria de Limesi [Raymond L Montgomery
=== Radulfus or Ralph de Limesi, son of Radu ===
Radulfus or Ralph de Limesi, son of Radulfus de Limesi; b about 1067; probably the Radulfo de Limesi a witness to a charter by Henry I., who reigned from 1100-1135, in favor of the Convent of St Swithun's, Winchester, Hants, England (Charter Rolls, III:346-7), and the Radulfo de Limesi a witness to a charter by Henry I., in favor of the Abbot and Convent of Hyde (Charter Rolls, IV: 171). The charter by Henry I granting lands etc, which Radulfus de Limesia gave to ST Mary of Hertford, to the Abbey of St Albans, was made after the marriage of Henry to Queen Matilda, and perhaps even after the marriage of his son William in 1119, (the said Prince losing his life by shipwreck in Dec. 1119-1120), if the words "uxore sua et filius suis", refer to Prince William; but in view of the fact that Prince William died without issue, the words 'filius suis' can only have a contingent meaning. (Patent Rolls, 1363, p 322)
Radulfo de Limesi and Gisleberto filio Renerii (probably also Limesis), were witnesses, between 1110-1128, to a charter of Henry I renewing to Rolland d'Oissel the grant of the land of Oissel in the forest of Rouvray (Cal Doc France, 918-1206, p 464). This Rolland was probably of the same family as Hugh de Odinsells who married Basilia de Limesi; also there was a Roll de Essel a witness in Charter Num II, by Radulfus de Limesi to St Albans, and a Simone Doisell a witness ot Charter Num V of John de Limesi.
Radulfus de Limesi m Halewise or Hawisia whose dowry were the lands of Higel de Bradewell (Charter Num II); she d after her son Raerus had attained his majority, as he witnessed his mother's grant. Radulfus was probably alive in 1120, as his son Alanus is not mentioned until after 1131. [Lindeseie/Limesi Families p206]
=== Alanus de Limesi, son of Radulfus de Lim ===
Alanus de Limesi, son of Radulfus de Limesi; b about 1095 in England; Lord of Bradewell and Wolverley, co. Warwick; he confirmed the gifts of his father Radulfus de Limesy and of his mother Hadewisa to the priory of Hertford, by Charter Num III, which was witnessed by the prior Radulfus (Dugd Monast). Heortfordscira. Alan de Limesi mentioned after 1311 (Magnum Rot Scaccarii, by Joseph Hunter, p 60). Carta Alani de Limesi de clusaga molendini de Iclingforde juxta Schilindone, [county Huntingdon], approximately the year 1133-4 is the date of this charter (Cart Monast Rameseia I:105); he d in the reign of Henry II, or after 1154, as it is not until 1160 that the name of Gerardus, his son, appears on record. [Lindeseie/Limesi Families I:208]
=== Research Notes on Ralph de Lemesi ===
The following information on Ralph (II) de Limesi, appears on page 549 in the book "Domesday Descendants: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents, 1066-1166, Volume 2", by K.S.B. Keats-Rohan (and published by Boydell Press in 2002; FHL Book # 942 D3KK): "de Limesi, Radulf II: Son of Ralph I de Limesi, d.c.1093. Married Hadvise, by whom he was father of Alan and Raerus. He died between after 1115, and before 1129, when Alan was his heir."
The following comments about "Ralph de Limesi" have been extracted from the BFO online publication: "The Early Broughs of Staffordshire: 1055 to 1510", by David Bethell, 1981. Online reference: http://www.broughfamily.org/history/broughs_1055-1510_ad.html):
Robert de Limesi used his position as bishop to expropriate extensive lands in Staffordshire belonging to the diocese for his daughter Celestria and her husband Noel. By this means the Noel family acquired Ellenhall, Seighford, Clanford, Bridgeford, Podmore and Milnmease, as well as Granborough in Warwickshire. Ranton Priory was a little more than a mile north of Brough; Ellenhall lies immediately to the north of Ranton.
Although, prior to the Reformation, English bishops were normally strictly celibate, it was neither illegal nor uncommon for bishops in the 12th century to marry and have children, and it may be assumed that there were other descendants of Robert de Limesi. Philip fitz Bishop, who was at Brough by 1199, and is thought to have been a cousin of Thomas Noel (son of Robert fitz Noel), was probably a grandson of Robert. Robert is assumed to have been a son or brother of Ralph de Limesi...
Ralph was described as a son of the sister (unspecified) of William the Conqueror; he "enjoyed the lands of Christiana, one of the sisters of Edgar Atheling, by marriage (as some affirm, and according to others by gift of the Conqueror), among which was Ulverly in the county of Warwick, which he made his principal seat.". This would make Robert de Limesi, Bishop of Chester, a grandson or greatgrandson on the material side of Robert Duke of Normandy. If Ralph de Limesi was husband of Christiana the legitimate title to the English throne would have passed through Ralph’s eldest descendants.
In 1917 a book entitled "The Lindeseie and Limesi Families of Great Britain, Including the Probates at Sumerset House, London, England, of all Spellings of the Name Lindeseie from 1300-1800, Volume 1", was "privately printed" in "Boston, Massachusetts" by "John William Linzee, A.B., S.B." This publication is available online (https://archive.org/stream/linzeefamilyofgr01linz#page/n13/mode/2up) and presents the following descendants of the Limesi family:
RADULFUS or RALPH DE LIMESI, born about 1067
"Radulfus or Ralph de Limesi, son of Radulfus de Limesi…; b. about 1067; probably the Radulfo de Limesi a witness to a charter by Henry I., who reigned from 1100-1135…. Radulfus de Limesi m[arried] Halewise or Hawisia whose dowry were the lands of Nigel de Bradwell; she d. after he son Raerus had attained his majority, as he witnessed his mother's grant. Radulfus was probably alive in 1120, as his son Alanus is not mentioned until after 1131." (See page 206.)
=== Alanus de Limesi, son of Radulfus de Lim ===
Alanus de Limesi, son of Radulfus de Limesi; b about 1095 in England;Lord of Bradewell and Wolverley, co. Warwick; he confirmed the giftsof his father Radulfus de Limesy and of his mother Hadewisa to thepriory of Hertford, by Charter Num III, which was witnessed by theprior Radulfus (Dugd Monast). Heortfordscira. Alan de Limesi mentionedafter 1311 (Magnum Rot Scaccarii, by Joseph Hunter, p 60). Carta Alanide Limesi de clusaga molendini de Iclingforde juxta Schilindone,[county Huntingdon], approximately the year 1133-4 is the date of thischarter (Cart Monast Rameseia I:105); he d in the reign of Henry II,or after 1154, as it is not until 1160 that the name of Gerardus, hisson, appears on record.The Lindeseie and Limesi Families of GreatBritain; John William Linzee
Page: I:208
The Benedictine priory of St. Mary of Hertford, a cell of St. AlbansAbbey, was built about the end of the 11th century (fn. 1) by Ralph deLimesi for six monks who were to be sent from St. Albans. (fn. 2)Ralph gave as endowment a good hide of land at Hertford, the church ofPirton with tithe of his land and that of his men and 2½ hides ofland, (fn. 3) the mill, pasture for the oxen of the monks' ploughswith his own and feed for their pigs in his woods; a carucate of landin Itchington (co. Warw.) and certain tithes there and in Ulverley inSolihull (co. Warw.), (fn. 4) Cavendish (co. Suffolk), Bibbesworth inKimpton (co. Herts.), Epperstone (co. Notts.), and 'Torp.'
The charter was confirmed between 1108 and 1123 (fn. 5) by Henry I,who granted the priory sac and soc, tol and team, infangthef and itsown court. The monks received from Ralph later the church of Amwellwith tithe, (fn. 6) and from his wife Avice land of her dower inBradwell, on condition that she had three corrodies (fn. 7) from thepriory while she lived, and that after her death another monk wasadded to the convent. Several other members of the Limesi familyfigure as protectors and benefactors. Alan, Ralph's son, besidesconfirming his father's gifts to the monks, granted the church ofItchington (fn. 8) ; Gerard, his son, (fn. 9) gave them land inCavendish and Itchington and forbade interference with theirjurisdiction in places owned by them (fn. 10) ; John son of Gerard deLimesi (fn. 11) acquitted their tenements within his fee of scutageand made over to them the church of Cavendish, (fn. 12) while from hissister Amabel de Limesi they acquired land in Bibbesworth. (fn. 13)
1 It is said to have been founded in the time of Abbot Paul (1077-93)(Gesta Abbat. i, 56-7). Ralph died apparently in 1130 (Hunter, Gt.Roll of the Pipe 31 Hen. I [Rec. Com.], 60).
2 Lansd. MS. 863, fol. 157 d.
3 The land in Hertfordshire was reckoned at £30. See charter ofconfirmation by Henry I (ibid. fol. 159 d.).
4 See V.C.H. Warws. i, 340, n. 8.
5 When Ranulf was chancellor (Lansd. MS. 863, fol. 159 d.).
6 Alan de Limesi's charter of confirmation (ibid. fol. 158).
7 She was to have three 'prebendas' when she chose (ibid.).
8 Lansd. MS. 863, fol. 158.
9 He occurs in 1161-2 (Red Bk. of Exch. [Rolls Ser.], 29).
10 Lansd. MS. 863, fol. 158 d.
11 John de Limesi occurs in 1196-7 and 11991200 (Red Bk. of Exch.[Rolls Ser.], 110, 126). He died in 1212 or 1213 (Rot. de Oblat. etFin. 11991216 [Rec. Com.], 507).
12 Lansd. MS. 863, fol. 159.
13 Charter of David de Lindsey (ibid. fol. 159 d.), who was one of theLimesi heirs (Dugdale, Hist. of Warwickshire, 343 ; V.C.H. Herts. iii,46).
From: 'Houses of Benedictine monks: Hertford Priory', A History of theCounty of Hertford: Volume 4 (1971), pp. 419-421. URL:http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=37959. Dateaccessed: 25 October 2007.
The parish of Pirton lies on low ground in the north-west ofHertfordshire at the edge of the Bedfordshire plain. The greater partof it is only about 200 ft. above the ordnance datum, but the groundrises considerably, and in the north-west, where it meets theChilterns, it has a height of 400 ft. In the south of the parish thelittle River Oughton takes its rise, and this part of Pirton is knownas Oughton's Head (formerly Altonishevyd). (fn. 1) The Icknield Wayforms part of the southern boundary of the parish. The population isentirely agricultural, the chalk land being particularly adapted forthe growth of corn. The arable land covers 1,865 acres, while pasturecomprises only 331 acres and woodland 65 acres. (fn. 2) An inclosureaward was made for the parish in 1814 under an Act of 1811. (fn. 3)
The village lies in the middle of the parish, and is of particularinterest, as it was at an early date, possibly before the Conquest,fortified by a ditch. The area inclosed, about 10 acres, was utilizedlater for a mount and bailey castle, the mount or 'motte' standingabout 25 ft. high above the bottom of the surrounding ditch in thenorth-west corner of the inclosure, and the remainder of the areadivided into three baileys, the largest stretching along the northside and including the church and the other two on the south. Theditches are well marked, and there is still at times a good deal ofwater in parts of them. This castle, unfortunately, has no history. Itwas probably made in the 12th century, perhaps during the anarchy ofStephen's reign, by Alan or Gerard de Limesi.
1 Chan. Inq. p.m. 28 Edw. III, no. 43.
2 Statistics from Bd. of Agric. (1905).
3 a Loc. Act, 51 Geo. IV, cap. 96.
From: 'Parishes: Pirton', A History of the County of Hertford: volume3 (1912), pp. 44-51. URL:http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=43577. Dateaccessed: 25 October 2007.
The beginning of the rich possessions of the Templars in Oxfordshirewas in 1136, when Queen Matilda granted them a manor in Cowley, wherethey built a church and established a preceptory. (fn. 1) Some twentyyears later Simon, earl of Northampton, gave them Merton, or at least7 hides of it, and there, too, there appears to have been temporarilya preceptory. (fn. 2) About the year 1153 they had obtained the wholemanor of Sibford Ferris, and the chapel of Sibford Gower, (fn. 3) andas early as 1142 a manor in Hensington of 2½ hides. (fn. 4) Before1185 they were granted by Alan de Limesy 5 hides in Bradwell inOxfordshire, and also the church, as well as many smaller gifts. (fn.5)
1 Wood, MS. 10, fol. 14.
2 Ibid. fol. 102.
3 Ibid. fol. 90.
4 Ibid. fol. 99.
5 Misc. Books, Exch. K. R. 16, fol. 29.
From: 'House of Knights Templars: The preceptory of Sandford', AHistory of the County of Oxford: Volume 2 (1907), pp. 106-107. URL:http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=40195. Dateaccessed: 25 October 2007.
Before the Conquest AMWELL, AMWELLBURY or GREAT AMWELL was a'berewick' or outlying estate attached with two others at Hertford andHoddesdon to Earl Harold's manor of Hatfield Broadoak. (fn. 29) Allthree berewicks were evidently included in the 14½ hides at Amwellwhich constituted the holding of Ralf de Limesy in 1086. (fn. 30) Thisholding probably extended over what is now Little Amwell, part ofwhich with Ralf's lands in Hertford formed the endowment of his prioryat Hertford. (fn. 31) Ralf's holding at Hoddesdon was probablyidentical with the manor of Geddings and other lands held of the manorof Great Amwell. (fn. 32)
About 1130 Ralf de Limesy was succeeded in his Hertfordshire lands byhis son Alan. (fn. 33) Gerard son of Alan owed scutage for lands inHertfordshire in 1161. (fn. 34) His widow Amice had two sons living in1185. (fn. 35) The elder was John de Limesy. (fn. 36)
29 V.C.H. Essex, i, 429b. Possibly the Hertford 'berewick' was 'Limesyfee' in which was built the Priory of Hertford (see the account of theBorough).
30 V.C.H. Herts. i, 325b; cf. ibid. 299; V.C.H. Essex, i, 338.
31 See under Little Amwell; cf. Dugdale, Mon. iii, 300.
32 Add. R. 26828. The manor of Hoddesdonbury and the other manor atHoddesdon held before the Conquest by Asgar the Staller are dealt withunder Broxbourne, in which parish lay Hoddesdonbury.
33Hunter, Great R. of the Pipe, 31 Hen. I (Rec. Com.), 60.
34 Red Bk. of Exch. (Rolls Ser.), 29, 693; cf. Dugdale, Mon. iii, 300.
35 Stacey Grimaldi, Rot. de Dominabus, 27.
36 Ibid.; cf. Dugdale, loc. cit.
From: 'Parishes: Great Amwell', A History of the County of Hertford:volume 3 (1912), pp. 414-419. URL:http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=43635. Dateaccessed: 27 October 2007.
Alanus de Limesi, son of Radulfus de Limesi; b about 1095 in England;Lord of Bradewell and Wolverley, co. Warwick; he confirmed the giftsof his father Radulfus de Limesy and of his mother Hadewisa to thepriory of Hertford, by Charter Num III, which was witnessed by theprior Radulfus (Dugd Monast). Heortfordscira. Alan de Limesi mentionedafter 1311 (Magnum Rot Scaccarii, by Joseph Hunter, p 60). Carta Alanide Limesi de clusaga molendini de Iclingforde juxta Schilindone,[county Huntingdon], approximately the year 1133-4 is the date of thischarter (Cart Monast Rameseia I:105); he d in the reign of Henry II,or after 1154, as it is not until 1160 that the name of Gerardus, hisson, appears on record.The Lindeseie and Limesi Families of GreatBritain; John William Linzee
Page: I:208
The Benedictine priory of St. Mary of Hertford, a cell of St. AlbansAbbey, was built about the end of the 11th century (fn. 1) by Ralph deLimesi for six monks who were to be sent from St. Albans. (fn. 2)Ralph gave as endowment a good hide of land at Hertford, the church ofPirton with tithe of his land and that of his men and 2½ hides ofland, (fn. 3) the mill, pasture for the oxen of the monks' ploughswith his own and feed for their pigs in his woods; a carucate of landin Itchington (co. Warw.) and certain tithes there and in Ulverley inSolihull (co. Warw.), (fn. 4) Cavendish (co. Suffolk), Bibbesworth inKimpton (co. Herts.), Epperstone (co. Notts.), and 'Torp.'
The charter was confirmed between 1108 and 1123 (fn. 5) by Henry I,who granted the priory sac and soc, tol and team, infangthef and itsown court. The monks received from Ralph later the church of Amwellwith tithe, (fn. 6) and from his
=== !Brown book 5, P C 557. Clutterback's Hi ===
!Brown book 5, P C 557. Clutterback's Hist of Hertfordshire. 1827 V3 p119. (as cited in Croke's) Bloomfirlds's Hist of Norfolk. 1807 V1 p168-170.
=== Radulfus or Ralph de Limesi, son of Radu ===
Radulfus or Ralph de Limesi, son of Radulfus de Limesi; b about 1067;probably the Radulfo de Limesi a witness to a charter by Henry I., whoreigned from 1100-1135, in favor of the Convent of St Swithun's,Winchester, Hants, England (Charter Rolls, III:346-7), and the Radulfode Limesi a witness to a charter by Henry I., in favor of the Abbotand Convent of Hyde (Charter Rolls, IV: 171). The charter by Henry Igranting lands etc, which Radulfus de Limesia gave to St. Mary ofHertford, to the Abbey of St Albans, was made after the marriage ofHenry to Queen Matilda, and perhaps even after the marriage of his sonWilliam in 1119, (the said Prince losing his life by shipwreck in Dec.1119-1120), if the words 'uxore sua et filius suis', refer to PrinceWilliam; but in view of the fact that Prince William died withoutissue, the words 'filius suis' can only have a contingent meaning.(Patent Rolls, 1363, p 322)
Radulfo de Limesi and Gisleberto filio Renerii (probably alsoLimesis), were witnesses, between 1110-1128, to a charter of Henry Irenewing to Rolland d'Oissel the grant of the land of Oissel in theforest of Rouvray (Cal Doc France, 918-1206, p 464). This Rolland wasprobably of the same family as Hugh de Odinsells who married Basiliade Limesi; also there was a Roll de Essel a witness in Charter Num II,by Radulfus de Limesi to St Albans, and a Simone Doisell a witness otCharter Num V of John de Limesi.
Radulfus de Limesi m Halewise or Hawisia whose dowry were the lands ofHigel de Bradewell (Charter Num II); she d after her son Raerus hadattained his majority, as he witnessed his mother's grant. Radulfuswas probably alive in 1120, as his son Alanus is not mentioned untilafter 1131. The Lindeseie and Limesi Families of Great Britian; JohnWilliam Linzee , Page: I:206
Before the Conquest AMWELL, AMWELLBURY or GREAT AMWELL was a'berewick' or outlying estate attached with two others at Hertford andHoddesdon to Earl Harold's manor of Hatfield Broadoak. (fn. 29) Allthree berewicks were evidently included in the 14½ hides at Amwellwhich constituted the holding of Ralf de Limesy in 1086. (fn. 30) Thisholding probably extended over what is now Little Amwell, part ofwhich with Ralf's lands in Hertford formed the endowment of his prioryat Hertford. (fn. 31) Ralf's holding at Hoddesdon was probablyidentical with the manor of Geddings and other lands held of the manorof Great Amwell. (fn. 32)
About 1130 Ralf de Limesy was succeeded in his Hertfordshire lands byhis son Alan. (fn. 33) Gerard son of Alan owed scutage for lands inHertfordshire in 1161. (fn. 34) His widow Amice had two sons living in1185. (fn. 35) The elder was John de Limesy. (fn. 36)
29 V.C.H. Essex, i, 429b. Possibly the Hertford 'berewick' was 'Limesyfee' in which was built the Priory of Hertford (see the account of theBorough).
30 V.C.H. Herts. i, 325b; cf. ibid. 299; V.C.H. Essex, i, 338.
31 See under Little Amwell; cf. Dugdale, Mon. iii, 300.
32 Add. R. 26828. The manor of Hoddesdonbury and the other manor atHoddesdon held before the Conquest by Asgar the Staller are dealt withunder Broxbourne, in which parish lay Hoddesdonbury.
33 Hunter, Great R. of the Pipe, 31 Hen. I (Rec. Com.), 60.
34 Red Bk. of Exch. (Rolls Ser.), 29, 693; cf. Dugdale, Mon. iii, 300.
35 Stacey Grimaldi, Rot. de Dominabus, 27.
36 Ibid.; cf. Dugdale, loc. cit.
From: 'Parishes: Great Amwell', A History of the County of Hertford:volume 3 (1912), pp. 414-419. URL:http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=43635. Dateaccessed: 27 October 2007.
The Benedictine priory of St. Mary of Hertford, a cell of St. AlbansAbbey, was built about the end of the 11th century (fn. 1) by Ralph deLimesi for six monks who were to be sent from St. Albans. (fn. 2)Ralph gave as endowment a good hide of land at Hertford, the church ofPirton with tithe of his land and that of his men and 2½ hides ofland, (fn. 3) the mill, pasture for the oxen of the monks' ploughswith his own and feed for their pigs in his woods; a carucate of landin Itchington (co. Warw.) and certain tithes there and in Ulverley inSolihull (co. Warw.), (fn. 4) Cavendish (co. Suffolk), Bibbesworth inKimpton (co. Herts.), Epperstone (co. Notts.), and 'Torp.'
The charter was confirmed between 1108 and 1123 (fn. 5) by Henry I,who granted the priory sac and soc, tol and team, infangthef and itsown court. The monks received from Ralph later the church of Amwellwith tithe, (fn. 6) and from his wife Avice land of her dower inBradwell, on condition that she had three corrodies (fn. 7) from thepriory while she lived, and that after her death another monk wasadded to the convent. Several other members of the Limesi familyfigure as protectors and benefactors. Alan, Ralph's son, besidesconfirming his father's gifts to the monks, granted the church ofItchington (fn. 8) ; Gerard, his son, (fn. 9) gave them land inCavendish and Itchington and forbade interference with theirjurisdiction in places owned by them (fn. 10) ; John son of Gerard deLimesi (fn. 11) acquitted their tenements within his fee of scutageand made over to them the church of Cavendish, (fn. 12) while from hissister Amabel de Limesi they acquired land in Bibbesworth. (fn. 13)
1 It is said to have been founded in the time of Abbot Paul (1077-93)(Gesta Abbat. i, 56-7). Ralph died apparently in 1130 (Hunter, Gt.Roll of the Pipe 31 Hen. I [Rec. Com.], 60).
2 Lansd. MS. 863, fol. 157 d.
3 The land in Hertfordshire was reckoned at £30. See charter ofconfirmation by Henry I (ibid. fol. 159 d.).
4 See V.C.H. Warws. i, 340, n. 8.
5 When Ranulf was chancellor (Lansd. MS. 863, fol. 159 d.).
6 Alan de Limesi's charter of confirmation (ibid. fol. 158).
7 She was to have three 'prebendas' when she chose (ibid.).
8 Lansd. MS. 863, fol. 158.
9 He occurs in 1161-2 (Red Bk. of Exch. [Rolls Ser.], 29).
10 Lansd. MS. 863, fol. 158 d.
11 John de Limesi occurs in 1196-7 and 11991200 (Red Bk. of Exch.[Rolls Ser.], 110, 126). He died in 1212 or 1213 (Rot. de Oblat. etFin. 11991216 [Rec. Com.], 507).
12 Lansd. MS. 863, fol. 159.
13 Charter of David de Lindsey (ibid. fol. 159 d.), who was one of theLimesi heirs (Dugdale, Hist. of Warwickshire, 343 ; V.C.H. Herts. iii,46).
From: 'Houses of Benedictine monks: Hertford Priory', A History of theCounty of Hertford: Volume 4 (1971), pp. 419-421. URL:http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=37959. Dateaccessed: 25 October 2007.
Radulfus or Ralph de Limesi, son of Radulfus de Limesi; b about 1067;probably the Radulfo de Limesi a witness to a charter by Henry I., whoreigned from 1100-1135, in favor of the Convent of St Swithun's,Winchester, Hants, England (Charter Rolls, III:346-7), and the Radulfode Limesi a witness to a charter by Henry I., in favor of the Abbotand Convent of Hyde (Charter Rolls, IV: 171). The charter by Henry Igranting lands etc, which Radulfus de Limesia gave to St. Mary ofHertford, to the Abbey of St Albans, was made after the marriage ofHenry to Queen Matilda, and perhaps even after the marriage of his sonWilliam in 1119, (the said Prince losing his life by shipwreck in Dec.1119-1120), if the words 'uxore sua et filius suis', refer to PrinceWilliam; but in view of the fact that Prince William died withoutissue, the words 'filius suis' can only have a contingent meaning.(Patent Rolls, 1363, p 322)
Radulfo de Limesi and Gisleberto filio Renerii (probably alsoLimesis), were witnesses, between 1110-1128, to a charter of Henry Irenewing to Rolland d'Oissel the grant of the land of Oissel in theforest of Rouvray (Cal Doc France, 918-1206, p 464). This Rolland wasprobably of the same family as Hugh de Odinsells who married Basiliade Limesi; also there was a Roll de Essel a witness in Charter Num II,by Radulfus de Limesi to St Albans, and a Simone Doisell a witness otCharter Num V of John de Limesi.
Radulfus de Limesi m Halewise or Hawisia whose dowry were the lands ofHigel de Bradewell (Charter Num II); she d after her son Raerus hadattained his majority, as he witnessed his mother's grant. Radulfuswas probably alive in 1120, as his son Alanus is not mentioned untilafter 1131. The Lindeseie and Limesi Families of Great Britian; JohnWilliam Linzee , Page: I:206
Before the Conquest AMWELL, AMWELLBURY or GREAT AMWELL was a'berewick' or outlying estate attached with two others at Hertford andHoddesdon to Earl Harold's manor of Hatfield Broadoak. (fn. 29) Allthree berewicks were evidently included in the 14½ hides at Amwellwhich constituted the holding of Ralf de Limesy in 1086. (fn. 30) Thisholding probably extended over what is now Little Amwell, part ofwhich with Ralf's lands in Hertford formed the endowment of his prioryat Hertford. (fn. 31) Ralf's holding at Hoddesdon was probablyidentical with the manor of Geddings and other lands held of the manorof Great Amwell. (fn. 32)
About 1130 Ralf de Limesy was succeeded in his Hertfordshire lands byhis son Alan. (fn. 33) Gerard son of Alan owed scutage for lands inHertfordshire in 1161. (fn. 34) His widow Amice had two sons living in1185. (fn. 35) The elder was John de Limesy. (fn. 36)
29V.C.H. Essex, i, 429b. Possibly the Hertford 'berewick' was 'Limesyfee' in which was built the Priory of Hertford (see the account of theBorough).
30V.C.H. Herts. i, 325b; cf. ibid. 299; V.C.H. Essex, i, 338.
31See under Little Amwell; cf. Dugdale, Mon. iii, 300.
32Add. R. 26828. The manor of Hoddesdonbury and the other manor atHoddesdon held before the Conquest by Asgar the Staller are dealt withunder Broxbourne, in which parish lay Hoddesdonbury.
33Hunter, Great R. of the Pipe, 31 Hen. I (Rec. Com.), 60.
34Red Bk. of Exch. (Rolls Ser.), 29, 693; cf. Dugdale, Mon. iii, 300.
35Stacey Grimaldi, Rot. de Dominabus, 27.
36Ibid.; cf. Dugdale, loc. cit.
From: 'Parishes: Great Amwell', A History of the County of Hertford:volume 3 (1912), pp. 414-419. URL:http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=43635. Dateaccessed: 27 October 2007.
The Benedictine priory of St. Mary of Hertford, a cell of St. AlbansAbbey, was b
Preferred Parents:
Father: Ralph de Limesi, b. ABT 1040 in Alost, Limésy, Seine-Maritime, Normandy, France d. AFT 1093 in of Hertford Priory, Hertfordshire, England
Mother: Christina , b. ABT 1041 in Western Europe d. AFT 1093 in of Hertfordshire, England
Family 1: Hadwisa Unknown, b. ABT 1070 in England d. in England, United Kingdom
- Geoffrey de Limesi, b. ABT 1095 in Pirton, Hertfordshire, England, United Kingdom d. in Yardley, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
- Alan de Limesi, b. ABT 1085 in Warwickshire, England d. ABT 1154 in Pirton, Hertfordshire, England
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Author: pages 10, 24-27, 36-37, also pages 176-208 etc...pages 178-186 give a detailed assumed summary of unknown pedigree chart beyond Ralph de Limesi by father Hugo de Toesni, surnamed Limesi...the only problem is that there is lack of proof to connect Ralph to this person...
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Note: gives all info on the family of Randolph (Ralph de Limesi) when he invaded England with William Conquerer, and was one of the first of Baron's given title to land, his heritage etc...
NOTE: there seems to be confliction of who was the father of Gerard, some says he was grandson to this Ralph and other books seem to side with the fact that he was indeed the Great grandson to Ralph, as Ralph had another son named Ralph also, and he continued the line to Gerard...
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SHIPDEN AND CROMER: Discusses Limesi's Land continued...
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/topographical-hist-norfolk/vol8/pp102-107
Under section, William Turbus, discusses Bidun and his wife Agnes becoming canonized...
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/topographical-hist-norfolk/vol3/pp454-599
Under section, Cotes Bidun...
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/northants/vol4/pp29-39
MORCOTT: Under section Manors, discusses Bidun's land etc...
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Watlington: Discusses Biduns history throughout...
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/oxon/vol8/pp210-252
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Note: pedigree from Ralph to Gerard...
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Author: Google Books
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Author: Google Books
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