Richard FitzScrob

• Preferred Name: Richard FitzScrob^{[1] [2] [3] [4]}
  
• Gender: M
  
• http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Sir
  
• Fact: with note: Description: https://www.geni.com/people/Richard-Fitz-Scrob-Knight/6000000000337781267
  
• Other: ABT 1016 in Normandy, France at LATI: N8.928 LONG: E0.5326 with note: Standardized.
  
• FSID: 9MH5-2Q7
  
• Alt.+Death+Information: ABT 1080 in Richards Castle, Herefordshire, England at LATI: N2.3213 LONG: E2.7427 with note: Description: About 1080 Richards Castle, Herefordshire, England
  
• AFN: with note: Description: 15CB-QJ0
  
• Death: 1067 in Richards Castle, Herefordshire, England at LATI: N2.3213 LONG: E2.7427 with note: Standardized.
  
• Birth: ABT 1020 in France with note: Alt. Dates: 1015 OR 1020 OR 1025 Alt. Location: Normandie, France http://www.josephsmithsr.com/getperson.php?personID=I28841&tree=josephsmithsr Standardized. Wikitree: birth date 1020 Birth place Normandy France
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  One old myth is that the name may be derived from an old Norman-French word for crab, and that it began as a nickname for a club-footed illegitimate son of an English princess by a Norman knight. Others suggest that the Scrob surname may possibly have been because the bearer had made his livelihood as a "shell fisherman", or more specifically "crab fisherman", an occupation native to the coast of Normandie and Bretagne in France at that time. Another suggests it was Richard that was given the nickname "the crab", by jealous Saxons of Edward the Confessor's court.
  
  Whether either is true or not, it is fact that at one stage the family crest was a crab and that the family motto is/was, "Devant si je puis" - "forward if I can" ... strongly suggesting at least one of the above is true ... with maybe more weight to the first one, me thinks. (no sources cited) [1]
  
  Richard Scrob (fl. 1052–1066), soldier and landowner, was a Frenchman of unknown origins (not for certain a Norman) who came to England in the early years of the reign of Edward the Confessor (r. 1042–66) and was given land on the Welsh border. The twelfth-century chronicler John of Worcester mistook his additional or alternative name Scrob for a patronymic, and Richard has ever since been widely miscalled Richard fitz Scrob.
  
  Richard Scrob (Scroop/Scrope)[2] married (before 1052) the daughter of another French settler, Robert the Deacon (possibly to be identified with Robert fitz Wimarc)[3]; his (Richard's) sons Osbern and William were adults by 1066.
  
  Richard's main base was the Herefordshire manor of Auretone, where he built the earthwork of Richard's Castle, one of the handful of pre-conquest castles in England. His lands were concentrated within a few miles, in Worcestershire and Shropshire as well as Herefordshire.
  
  Richard was one of the king's housecarls, and was exempted from the expulsions of Frenchmen which followed Earl Godwine's return to power in 1052.
  
  In the 1050s and early 1060s he was possibly sheriff of Worcestershire and certainly a man to whom the king entrusted important business there.
  
  In 1066 he and his family threw in their lot with the Normans as fighting broke out in Herefordshire between the French and Eadric the Wild. The date of his death is unknown.
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  Our royal, titled, noble and commoner ancestors
  Richard FitzScrob1
  Last Edited 4 Apr 2020
  M, #7069, d. circa 1080
  Father Cynfyn ap Gweristan, Prince of Powys
  Mother Ankarat fil Meredith b. c 960
  Richard FitzScrob married (Miss) de Essex, daughter of Robert de Essex. Richard FitzScrob died circa 1080.
  Family
  (Miss) de Essex
  Child
  Osbern FitzRichard+1 d. a 1086
  
  === Son of the last Prince of Wales ===
  According to My Heritage . Com he is the son of king Cynfyn and Angharad -this is perfect example of why that site is fraught with fiction. How, why, would a native Norman have been born to a Welshman?????
  
  === FTM Disc 2 Tree # 1990 ===
  FTM Disc 2 Tree # 1990
  
  === !Some Early English Pedigrees, Britis 94 ===
  !Some Early English Pedigrees, Britis 942 D2no, page 88.
  
  === !Pedigree Chart from Family Org. from in ===
  !Pedigree Chart from Family Org. from information from hired researcher
  
  === AFN: FLH5-13 ===
  AFN: FLH5-13
  
  === 1. CD V707-01, Vol 07 World Family Tree ===
  1. CD V707-01, Vol 07 World Family Tree, dated b1996, BroderbundSoftware, Inc., Pedigree #1451. 2. CD V712-04, Vol 4, World Family Tree, Pedigree Files #1880 and#2728, Broderbund Software, Inc. b1996.
  
  === Some Early English Pedigrees, Britis 942 ===
  Some Early English Pedigrees, Britis 942 D2no, page 88.
  
  === LDS Ordinances found in IGI. ===
  LDS Ordinances found in IGI.
  
  === Richard Fitz Scrob (or Fitz Scrope) was ===
  Richard Fitz Scrob (or Fitz Scrope) was a Norman knight granted lands by the Saxon King Edward the Confessor before the Norman Conquest, in Herefordshire, Worcestershire and Shropshire as recorded in the Domesday Book. He built Richard's Castle before 1051. The castle was a motte-and-bailey style construction, one of only three or four castles of this type built before the Norman conquest. Most were built after the conquest. Richard was last mentioned in 1067. His castle passed to his son, Osbern Fitz Richard, who married Nesta, the daughter of King Gruffydd ap Llywelyn of Wales.
  
  1051 Herefordshire England
  
  Richard Scrob (or Fitz Scrope) was a Norman knight granted lands by the Saxon King Edward the Confessor before the Norman Conquest, in Herefordshire, Worcestershire and Shropshire as recorded in the Domesday Book. He built Richard's Castle before 1051. The castle was a motte-and-bailey style construction, one of only three or four castles of this type built before the Norman conquest. Most were built after the conquest. Richard was last mentioned in 1067. His castle passed to his son, Osbern Fitz Richard, who married Nesta, the daughter of King Gruffydd ap Llywelyn of Wales.
  
  Osbern died around 1137 and was succeeded by his grandson, Osbern Fitz Hugh (married to a sister of Rosamond Clifford), who died in 1187. Richard's Castle then passed to his marital brother-in-law, Hugh de Say, who died in 1190, leaving the barony to his son, another Hugh Say. Thus the castle passed out of the line of descent of Richard Fitz Scrob.
  
  In 1196 this Hugh fought at the battle at New Radnor and was probably killed there, his castles eventually passing to Robert de Mortimer of Attleborough. In 1264 his son, Hugh Mortimer, was forced to surrender himself and Richard's Castle to Simon de Montfort, 6th Earl of Leicester. His grandson, the last Hugh Mortimer of Richard's Castle, was poisoned to death by his wife in 1304.
  
  The castle then passed to the Talbots, through Richard Talbot's marriage to Joan Mortimer. On 3 December 1329, Joan late the wife of Richard Talbot, had noted in the Patent Rolls that she planned to leave Richard's Castle to John de Wotton, chaplain, and William Balle of Underlith, in fee simple.[3] The Talbots were still living there in the late 14th century. By the 16th century it was in ruins.
  
  === Richard Fitz Scrob, Knight ===
  Richard Fitz Scrob, Knight
  Also Known As:
  "Fitz Scrope", "Scrope", "Richard Scroop"
  Birthdate:
  circa 1015
  Birthplace:
  Normandy, France
  Death:
  after 1067
  Richard's Castle, Ludlow, Herefordshire, England
  Immediate Family:
  Son of Scrob, the Steward
  Husband of N.N. daughter fitz Wimarc; (female) Le Scrope and Agnes Fitz Gilbert
  Father of Robert Scrope; Osbern Fitz Richard, 2nd Baron of Burford and William Fitz Richard
  Occupation:
  Norman Knight, Knight
  
  === !SOURCE: "Royal Ancestors," PC #534. ===
  !SOURCE: "Royal Ancestors," PC #534.
  
  === Sources: Title: Weis, F. L. "Ancestral r ===
  Sources: Title: Weis, F. L. "Ancestral roots of certain American colonists who came to America before 1700", Weis, 1992, seventh edition. Repository: Call Number: Media: Book Text: Per Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (177:2) he was sheriff of Hereford
  
  === Sources: Ancestral Roots 177; Ayers, p81 ===
  Sources: Ancestral Roots 177; Ayers, p810; Antiquities of Shropshire;AF. Roots: Richard Fitz Scrob, died 1067, of Richard's Castle. Antiquities: Vol. 4, chart. Richard Scrupe, or Scrob or Fitz-Scrob, ofthe Barony of Burford and Richard's Castle. Ayers: Richard Scrup, or Scrob; a Norman favourite of Eadward theConfessor; said to have built Richard's Castle; living 1067.
  
  === MORTIMER of Richard's Castle
  
  The descen ===
  MORTIMER of Richard's Castle
  
  The descent of the lordship of Burford, Salop, with Richard's Castle, co. Hereford, as its caput, is traced by Eyton from RICHARD FITZSCRUB, a Norman favourite of Edward the Confessor, who was allowed-by the Godwin party to remain in England in 1053, and who built and gave his name to the castle.
  [Complete Peerage IX:256]
  
  === !SOURCE: spouse sealing: film #1760997. ===
  !SOURCE: spouse sealing: film #1760997.
  
  === !The Genealogical Society of Utah; Garet ===
  !The Genealogical Society of Utah; Gareth Rice; of Richard's Castle
  
  === Richard Fitz Scrob (or Fitz Scrope, Scr ===
  Richard Fitz Scrob (or Fitz Scrope, Scrope, Scrupe or Scrob) was the son of a Scrob (Le Scrob) of Normandy, France. He was a Norman knight who settled in Herefordshire and became a landowner in England when he was granted lands by King Edward the Confessor prior to the Conquest. He built Richard's Castle in about 1048-1050 (near Ludlow) in county Hereford, on the Welsh border and administered this part of the border region. He held various manors in Worcestershire, Herefordshire, and Shropshire at the time of Edward the Confessor (1042-1066), according to the Domesday book. Richard's surname is said to be derived from the nickname "Le Scrob", or "the crab", given to him by jealous Saxons of Edward the Confessor's court. The Scropes of Bolton Castle The story of the Scrope family stretches back for more than nine centuries to le Scrob - a great Norman land owner and a favourite of King Edward the Confessor. The unusual name apparently derives from Richard's nickname -Le Scrob, or'the crab' - probably given to him by jealous Saxons at court. The Scropes' connection with Wensleydale is first recorded around 1149 when the family was still playing a significant role at the heart of national politics. The first Scrope to have held lands in Yorkshire was Hugh le Scrope during the reign of King Stephen. A Robert Scrope was slain at the siege of Acre in 1190 and 15 years later, Simon le Scrope and his wife Ingoliana granted to f Ten ry le Scrope, their son, all their lands in Wensley. Sir Henry Scrope was Chief Baron of the Exchequer under Edward 111; his grandson, Sir Richard, became MP for the county of York and attained the office of Lord Chancellor of England and the honour of a peerage as the first Baron Scrope. It was this Sir Richard who built Bolton Castle which he completed in 1399. The Castle was barely finished when the Scropes began to fall foul of the treacherous politics of the time. Sir Richard's eldest son, Sir William, bought the kingdom of the Isle of Man in 1393 and was created Earl of Wilts. He was appointed Treasurer of England in 1398 but beheaded without trial in 1399. He receives a mention in Shakespeare's play Richard 11, as does his brother, Sir Stephen, who later earned the trust of Henry IV and served as justice of Munster from 1401. Another Scrope, the Archbishop of York, who had officiated at the Coronation of Henry IV, was executed for his part in Harry Hotspur's plot against Henry IV as was his nephew, Sir Henry, for his part in the Earl of Cambridge's revolt against Henry V His head was displayed on Micklegate Pike as a deterrant to traitors. Sir Richard, the third Lord Scrope, fought at Agincourt and married Margaret Neville, sister of Cecily Neville, the 'Rose of Raby' and mother of Edward IV and Richard 111. His son supported Richard Duke of York against Margaret of Anjou, wife of Henry VI The 5th Lord Scrope, Sir John, was particularly adroit. He was made captain and governor of the fleet by Richard 111 and, despite ending up on the losing side at the battle of Bosworth Field and then supporting Lambert Simnel's rebellion against Henry VII, he managed to win a pardon on both occasions. The only stipulation was that he must live within 22 miles of London where the King could keep an eve on him! John Scrope, 8th Baron Scrope of Bolton, fell from favour by supporting the Pilgrimage of Grace, giving refuge to Adam. Sedbar, Abbot of Jervaulx, who was subsequently caught and executed. As a consequence the King's Commissioners wrote to Henry VIII in 1536, saying they had fired the Castle and that Baron Scope had fled to Skipton. In spite of this Sir John was summoned to Parliament and remained in that post until 1552 during the reign of EdwardVI. CASTLE BOLTON MORE PICTURES OF CASTLE BOLTON RETURN TO LATER MEDIEVAL BRITAIN HOME
  
  === https://www.tudorplace.com.ar/SCROPE.htm#Richard%20FITZSCROB ===
  https://www.tudorplace.com.ar/SCROPE.htm#Richard%20FITZSCROB
  
  === From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 5 J ===
  From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 5 JAN 1998.
  
  === Initiatory 1 Jun 1993 Gilbert Lowry prox ===
  Initiatory 1 Jun 1993 Gilbert Lowry proxy
  
  === Multiple AFN: 9NR3-P3, GS5Z-35, HPFQ-TM ===
  Multiple AFN: 9NR3-P3, GS5Z-35, HPFQ-TM and 8XJS-66 Multiple AFN: 9NR3-P3, GS5Z-35, HPFQ-TM and 8XJS-66
  
  === SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 S ===
  SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 SO68) P.19, 36, 37; THE PLANTAGENET ANCESTRY (GS NUMBER Q940 D2T) P.78; ANCESTRAL FILE, LDS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY;
  
  === !GENERAL:Pedigree Resource File CD 4, Pe ===
  !GENERAL:Pedigree Resource File CD 4, Pedigree Resource File CD 4, (Salt Lake City, UT: Intellectual Reserve, Inc., 1999)
  
  === !#4568-v1-p41; !a Norman FN #8XJS66; ===
  !#4568-v1-p41; !a Norman FN #8XJS66;

• m. in France
• m. ABT 1021 in Richard's Castle, Shropshire, England

1. Robert Le Scrope, b. ABT 1134 in Bridlington, Yorkshire, England     d. AFT 1198 in Millington, Yorkshire, England
2. Osborn Fitz Richard, b. 1045 in Richards Castle, Herefordshire, England     d. 1100 in Ludlow, Shropshire, England

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   Note: He died in the year 1067 in Richard's Castle, Ludlow, Herefordshire, England, he was 52 years old. A child of Scrob The Steward
   
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   Note: Richard FitzScrob1 Last Edited 4 Apr 2020 M, #7069, d. circa 1080 Father Cynfyn ap Gweristan, Prince of Powys Mother Ankarat fil Meredith b. c 960 Richard FitzScrob married (Miss) de Essex, daughter of Robert de Essex. Richard FitzScrob died circa 1080. Family (Miss) de Essex Child Osbern FitzRichard+1 d. a 1086
   
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   Note: FITZRICHARD No trace has been found in sources in Normandy of "Scrob" whose son Richard is shown below. The name of Richard’s son Osbern suggests that the family was of Viking origin. 1. RICHARD FitzScrob (-[1067/85]). Florence of Worcester names “Rotbertum diaconem et generum eius Ricardum filium Scrob, Ælfredum regis stratorem, Anfridum cognomento Ceocesfot” among the few Normans who were permitted to remain in England after King Edward restored Godwin Earl of Wessex to favour in 1052[717]. "…Richard Scrob…" witnessed the charter dated 1067 under which William I King of England donated the vill of Cullacliffe to Wulfstan Bishop of Worcester[718]. Domesday records that Richard Scrob/Scrupe held four manors in Worcestershire, Burford in Shropshire, and a manor in Herefordshire during the time of King Edward[719]. Florence of Worcester records that "Herefordenses castellani et Richardus filius Scrob" resisted "Edrcus cognomento Silvaticus filius Ælfrici, fratris Edrici Streonæ…et Richardus filius Scrob" in [1067][720]. m ---, daughter of ROBERT “the Deacon” & his wife ---. Her parentage and marriage are confirmed by the extract from Florence of Worcester quoted above. As noted above, Eyton identifies “Robertum diaconem” as Robert FitzWimarc and “Ricardum filium Scrob” as his unnamed son-in-law referred to in Domesday in connection with Bromfield church, Shropshire[721]. Richard & his wife had one child: a) OSBERN FitzRichard (-after [1087/88]). Domesday Book records “Osbern fitzRichard Scrob” holding numerous properties in Worcestershire; several properties in Herefordshire; land in Easton, Riseley, Keysoe and Elvedon in Bedfordshire; several places in Shropshire[722]. Orderic Vitalis records that “Osbernus, Ricardi cognomento Scrop filius et Bernardus de Nov Mercato gener eius” committed excesses “in territorio Wigornensi”, dated to [1087/88] from the context[723]. m NESTA, daughter of GRUFFYDD ap Llywellyn Prince of Gwynedd and Powys & his second wife Ealdgyth of Mercia. Orderic Vitalis names "Nest" as the daughter of "Edwinus…et Morcarus comites, filii Algari…Edgivam sororem eorum" and her first husband "Gritfridi…regis Guallorum"[724]. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified. "Hugo filius Osberti" donated a saltpan at Droitwich to the monks of Worcester Cathedral priory, for the souls of "patris mei Osberti et matris mee Nest", by charter dated to [early 12th century][725]. Osbern & his wife had three children: i) HUGH FitzOsbern (-before 1140). "Osbernus filius Pontii" donated “piscatoriam…in villam…Longaneia et ecclesiam" to Pershore monastery, Worcestershire, for "filio meo Radulfo", by undated charter, witnessed by "Hugone filio Osberni filii Ricardi et Turstino fratre eius…"[726]. - see below. ii) THURSTAN . "Osbernus filius Pontii" donated “piscatoriam…in villam…Longaneia et ecclesiam" to Pershore monastery, Worcestershire, for "filio meo Radulfo", by undated charter, witnessed by "Hugone filio Osberni filii Ricardi et Turstino fratre eius…"[727]. iii) NESTA [Agnes] . A manuscript narrating the history of Brecknock priory records that the founder “Bernard de Nefmarche, Norman” married “Neste qe fut apele Agnes, la file Griffin le fiz Lewelin…cruel tyrant de Gales”[728], although this skips a generation. Her parentage and marriage are confirmed by Orderic Vitalis who records that “Osbernus, Ricardi cognomento Scrop filius et Bernardus de Nov Mercato gener eius” committed excesses “in territorio Wigornensi”, dated to [1087/88] from the context[729]. The Historia fundationis cum fundatoris genealogia of the priory of Abergavenny names “Sibillam, legitimam hæredem totius terræ Breconiæ…Bernardi et Agnetis de Novo-Mercato” as parents of “Sibillam, legitimam hæredem totius terræ Breconiæ” who married “Milonem”[730]. The Chronicle of Battle Abbey records that "Bernardus cognomento de Novo Mercato…uxor Agnes" donated property in Brecknock to Battle abbey[731]. m BERNARD de Neufmarché, son of GEOFFROY de Neufmarché & his wife Ada --- (-1125). “Bernardus de Novo-mercato” donated property to Breckon priory, for the soul of “Philippi filii mei”, by charter dated to the reign of King Henry I[732]. Florence of Worcester records that "Beornardus de Novo Mercatu, Rogerius de Laceio…Rawlfus de Mortuo Mari…cum hominibus comitis Rogeri de Scrobbesbyria" threatened Worcester with an army of Normans and Welsh, dated to [1088][733]. Sources: [718] Regesta Regum Anglo-Normannorum (1913), Vol. I, 10, p. 3. [719] Eyton (1857), Vol. IV, p. 302. [720] Florentii Wigornensis Monachi Chronicon, p. 1. [721] Eyton ‘Robert Fitz Wimarch’ (1879), p. 8. [722] Domesday Translation, Worcestershire, XIX, p. 488, Herefordshire, XXIIII, p. 515, Bedfordshire, XLIIII, p. 581, Shropshire, V, pp. 712-3. [723] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. III, Liber VIII, II, pp. 270-7. [724] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. II, Liber III, p. 119. [725] Worcester Cathedral, I, 148, p. 83. [726] Dugdale Monasticon II, Pershore Monastery, Worcestershire, XIII, p. 422. [727] Dugdale Monasticon II, Pershore Monastery, Worcestershire, XIII, p. 422. [728] Dugdale Monasticon III, Brecknock Priory I, Quædam de Loco, et Dominis eius Historica, p. 263. [729] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. III, Liber VIII, II, pp. 270-7. [730] Dugdale Monasticon IV, Priory of Bergavenny or Abergavenny in Monmouthshire, Cartæ I, p. 615. [731] Chronicon Monasterii de Bello (London, 1846), p. 34. [732] Dugdale Monasticon III, Brecknock Priory II, p. 264. [733] Florentii Wigornensis Monachi Chronicon, p. 24.
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