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Roger de Cornhill, Joint Sheriff of London
- Preferred Name: Roger de Cornhill, Joint Sheriff of London[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]
- Alternate Name: Roger "nepos Huberti"
- Gender: M
- MilitaryService: went "ad Jerosolima" apparently died on Crusade, per the Pipe Roll of 1130 with note: -- rootsweb > Prokasy Ancestry 2: ROGER FITZHERLWIN
-- Geni: Roger de Cornhill
- Death: 1130 in Jerusalem, Israel at LATI: N1.7804 LONG: E5.2177
- Occupation: the Queen's chamberlain
- FSID: 2WVQ-B8Y
- Birth: ABT 1090 in Cornhill on Tweed, Northumberland, England at LATI: N5.6473 LONG: E2.2239
- Occupation: Joint Sheriff of London1125 with note: Geni: Roger de Cornhill
- granted the manor of Chalk, Kent (Dutchy of Lancaster): with note: Geni: Roger de Cornhill
- Notes:
=== sources ===
Kingdom, Extant, Extinct, or Dormant (London:St. Catherine Press, 1910.), 9:480, Los Angeles Public Library, 929. 721C682.
Keats-Rohan, K. S. B., Domesday Descendants:A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166 (Rochester, New York:The Boydell Press, 2002.), p. 411, Library of Congress, DA177. K42002.
Round, John Horace, Geoffrey de Mandeville:A Study of the Anarchy (London:Longmans Green, 1892.), p. 310, Los Angeles Public Library, 942. 024 R859.
Lansdown MS. 203, 15 dors.; also Duchy of Lancaster grants- Box A, 157 Duchy of Lancaster- Royal Charters- No. 42 at National Archives-Kew- DL 27/47
Geoffrey de Mandeville:A Study in Anarchy- John Horace Round, Longmans Green, London, 1892- pp. 304-7, pp. 304-12;
The Complete Peerage - St. Catherine Press, London- Vol. IX, pp. 478-84; see
Historical Gazetteer of London Before the Great Fire- D. J. Keene, Vanessa Harding, Centre for Metropolitan History, 1987- pp. 118-125;
Records of the Exchequer- E 40/2122
Duchy of Lancaster- Royal Charters- No. 22 Rot. Pipe- 31 Henry I, pp. 150-1
Canterbury Cathedral Archives- CCA-DCC-Chant/B/335; Records of the Exchequer- E 40/1752
Tim Powys-Lybbe's web page at:http://www. tim. ukpub. net
Round, J.H. (John Hoarce), M.A.; "Geoffrey de Mandeville: A Study of the Anarchy", Longmans, Green & Co., New York, 1892
Preferred Parents:
Father: Hubert de Cornhill, b. ABT 1050 in London, Middlesex, England d. AFT 1125
Family 1: Ingenolda de Conteville, b. ABT 1070 in London, Middlesex, England d. 1130
- m. 1119 in London, Middlesex, England
- m. 1121 in London, Middlesex, England
- Gervase de Cornhill, Sheriff of London Surrey and Kent, b. 1123 in Cornhill on Tweed, Northumberland, England d. 1183
Sources:
- Title: rootsweb > Prokasy Ancestry 2: ROGER FITZHERLWIN
Author: Sources: Author: K. S. B. Keats-Rohan Title: "Domesday Descendants" Publication: Name: Name: The Boydell Press; Location: Woodbridge, England; Date: 2002;; Repository: Name: Prokasy Library Note: Source Medium: Book Page: p. 411
Publication: Name: https://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=wprokasy1&id=I55363;
Note: ID: I55363
Name: ROGER FITZHERLWIN 1
Sex: M
Death: AFT 1130
Note: A joint sheriff in London in 1125. He went on a Crusade in 1130
Father: HERLWIN
Marriage 1 INGENOLDA
Children
Has Children GERVASE DE CORNHILL b: ABT 1110
Has No Children Alan de Cornhill
- Title: Geni: Roger de Cornhill
Publication: Name: https://www.geni.com/people/Roger-de-Cornhill/6000000004533462654?through=6000000004533462660;
Note: Roger de Cornhill
Gender: Male
Birth: estimated between 1058 and 1118
Immediate Family:
Husband of Ingenolda de Cornhill (Unknown)
Father of Gervaise de Cornhill
Added by: Bo Garsteen on July 6, 2009
Managed by: Bo Garsteen
- Title: "The Lancashire Pipe Rolls of 31 Henry I., A. D. 1130, and of the Reigns of Henry II., A. D. 1155 ... by Great Britain Exchequer"
Author: Publication date 1902 Publisher H. Young and sons Collection americana Digitizing sponsor Google Book from the collections of University of Michigan Language English
Publication: Name: https://archive.org/stream/lancashirepiper00exchgoog#page/n266/mode/2up/search/cornhill;
- Title: Wikiwand: Pipe rolls
Publication: Name: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Pipe_rolls;
Note: The Pipe rolls, sometimes called the Great rolls, or the Great Rolls of the Pipe, are a collection of financial records maintained by the English Exchequer, or Treasury, and its successors. The earliest date from the 12th century, and the series extends, mostly complete, from then until 1833. They form the oldest continuous series of records concerning English governance kept by the English, British and United Kingdom governments, covering a span of about 700 years. The early medieval ones are especially useful for historical study, as they are some of the earliest financial records available from the Middle Ages. A similar set of records was developed for Normandy, which was ruled by the English kings from 1066 to 1205, but the Norman Pipe rolls have not survived in a continuous series like the English.
They were the records of the yearly audits performed by the Exchequer of the accounts and payments presented to the Treasury by the sheriffs and other royal officials; and owed their name to the shape they took, as the various sheets were affixed to each other and then rolled into a tight roll, resembling a pipe, for storage. They record not only payments made to the government, but debts owed to the crown and disbursements made by royal officials. Although they recorded much of the royal income, they did not record all types of income, nor did they record all expenditures, so they are not strictly speaking a budget. The Pipe Roll Society, formed in 1883, has published the Pipe rolls up until 1224.
Composition
The Pipe rolls are named after the "pipe" shape formed by the rolled up parchments on which the records were originally written. There is no evidence to support the theory that they were named pipes for the fact that they "piped" the money into the Treasury, nor for the claim that they got their name from resembling a wine cask, or pipe of wine. They were occasionally referred to as the roll of the treasury, or the great roll of accounts, and the great roll of the pipe.
The Pipe rolls are the records of the audits of the sheriffs' accounts, usually conducted at Michaelmas by the Exchequer, or English treasury. Until the chancery records began in the reign of King John of England, they were the only continuous set of records kept by the English government. They are not a complete record of government and royal finances, however, as they do not record all sources of income, only the accounts of the sheriffs and a few other sources of income. Some of the payments that did not regularly fall under the Exchequer were occasionally recorded in a Pipe roll. Neither do the Pipe rolls record all payments made by the exchequer. They were not created as a budget, nor were they strictly speaking records of receipts, but rather they are records of the audit of the accounts rendered. Although the rolls use an accounting system, it is not one that would be familiar to modern accountants; for instance until the end of the 12th century, no record was made of the total amount taken in by the sheriff of each shire. In their early form, they record all debts owed to the Crown, whether from feudal dues or from other sources. Because many debts to the king were allowed to be paid off in installments, it is necessary to search more than one set of rolls for a complete history of a debt. If a debt was not paid off completely in one year, the remainder of the amount owed was transferred to the next year. They did not record the full amount of debts incurred in previous years, only what was paid that year and what was still owed. Besides the sheriffs, others who submitted accounts for the audit included some bailiffs of various honours, town officials, and the custodians of ecclesiastical and feudal estates.
The earliest surviving Pipe roll, already in a mature form, dates from 1129–30, and the continuous series begins in 1155–56, and continued for almost seven hundred years.
Combined with the Domesday Survey, the Pipe rolls contributed to the centralisation of financial records by the Norman kings (reigned 1066–1154) of England that was ahead of contemporary Western European monarchies; the French, for instance, did not have an equivalent system of accounting until the 1190s. The exact form of the records, kept in a roll instead of a book, was also unique to England, although why England kept some of its administrative records in this form is unclear. A set of Norman rolls, drafted differently, are extant in a few years for the reigns of Kings Henry II (reigned 1154–1189) and Richard I (reigned 1189–1199), who also ruled the Duchy of Normandy in France. It is believed that the Norman rolls were started about the same time as the English, but due to lack of survival of the earlier Norman rolls, it is unclear exactly when they did start. An Irish Exchequer produced Irish Pipe rolls, and much like the English Pipe rolls, the earliest surviving Irish Pipe roll, that of 1212, does not appear to be the first produced.
The Dialogus de Scaccario or Dialogue concerning the Exchequer, written in about 1178, details the workings of the Exchequer and gives an early account of how the Pipe rolls were created. The Dialogue was written by Richard FitzNeal, the son of Nigel of Ely, who was Treasurer for both Henry I and Henry II of England. According to the Dialogue, the Pipe rolls were the responsibility of the clerk of the Treasurer, who was called the Clerk of the Pipe and later the clerk of the pells. FitzNeal wrote his work to explain the inner workings of the Exchequer, and in it he lists a number of different types of rolls used by the Treasury. He also describes the creation of the Pipe rolls and how they are used. The Dialogue also states that the Pipe rolls, along with Domesday Book and other records, were kept in the treasury, because they were required for daily use by the Exchequer clerks.
The main source of income recorded on the Pipe rolls was the county farm, or income derived from lands held by the king. Occasional sources of revenue, such as from vacant bishoprics or abbeys or other sources, were also recorded. The payments were made both in coin, or in objects, such as spurs, lands, spices, or livestock. The only surviving roll from Henry I's reign also records payments of geld, a form of land tax dating from Anglo-Saxon times, although after 1161 the Pipe rolls no longer record any payments of geld. By 1166, the fines and other monetary income of the Assizes, or royal courts, began to be recorded in the Pipe rolls. Scutage payments, made by knights in lieu of military service, were also recorded in the Pipe rolls from the reign of Henry II on.
Although they recorded all income that came through the Exchequer, not all sources of income went through that office, so the Pipe rolls are not a complete record of royal income. They did include both regular income from the royal lands and judicial profits, as well as more occasional income derived from feudal levies, wardships, and ecclesiastical vacancies. Another source of income recorded in the rolls was from feudal reliefs, the payment made by an heir when inheriting an estate. A major source of income in the roll of 1130 is from the forests, under the Forest Law, which was the royal law covering the restrictions imposed on non-royals hunting in areas of the country declared royal forest. However, royal income from taxation that was not annually assessed was not usually recorded in the Pipe rolls, nor were his receipts from lands outside England. Some payments went directly to the king's household, and because they did not pass through the Exchequer, they were not recorded in the Pipe rolls.
Expenditures were also subject to documentation in the Pipe rolls. Among the recorded expenditures are payments for carts and cart horses, wages for royal servants, payments for improvements to royal manors and houses, royal gifts to persons, hunting expenses, payments to acquire a governmental office,] payments to mercenaries, and the costs of bags and casks to transport silver pennies about the kingdom.
Information about other subjects besides revenues also is contained in the rolls, including the movement of prisoners, which helps to identify which medieval castles were used as prisons. The Pipe rolls also allow the identification of the custodians of royal lands and castles. The clerks writing the rolls also used them as places to deride officials of the government, such as William Longchamp, who was the object of derision in the 1194 Pipe roll.
Certain areas did not report their income to the Exchequer, so they do not usually appear in the Pipe rolls, unless the lands were in the king's custody through a vacancy. These included the palatinates of Durham and Chester. The county of Cornwall also did not usually appear in the Pipe rolls, but it was not a palatinate. Another problem with using the Pipe rolls for historical study is the fact that the chronological limits for the financial year varied from roll to roll. In theory, they only recorded revenues from the previous Easter to Michaelmas of that financial year. However, the Pipe rolls often record payments made past Michaelmas, often up until the date the roll was actually compiled. Also, a few debts were not audited annually, but would instead have a number of consecutive years be investigated in one sitting and thus several years of payments would be recorded in one Pipe roll....
- Title: "The Survey of London: London in the eighteenth century," by Sir Walter Besant (1903)
Author: Publisher: A. & C. Black, 1908 - London
Publication: Name: https://books.google.com/books?id=izlAAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA345&lpg=PA345&dq=Ralph+Fitz+Herlwin+Sheriff+London&source=bl&ots=CUDTVV-cPg&sig=QpKuAmHumakCfHdLmhQHcCJ-a1g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiHrN2noN7bAhUESq0KHa00BOIQ6AEIPTAE#v=onepage&q=Ralph%20Fitz%20Herlwin&f=false;
- Title: SOME NOTES ON MEDIEVAL ENGLISH GENEALOGY, Public records: Pipe rolls
Publication: Name: http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/guide/pip.shtml;
Note: The pipe rolls of the Exchequer contain accounts of the royal income, arranged by county, for each financial year. They represent the earliest surviving series of public records, and are essentially continuous from 1155 onwards until the 19th century; one roll from 1129-30 also survives. A copy of each pipe roll - known as the Chancellor's Roll - was also sent to the Chancery. (The unusual name - officially it started out as the 'Great Roll of the Exchequer' - comes from the distinctive way in which the membranes were sewn together, which made them look like pieces of piping when rolled up.)
The sheriffs' accounts form the core of the early pipe rolls. The sheriff was the king's representative in the county, and was responsible for collecting revenues from the royal estates and other sources. The rolls also record some items of expenditure by the sheriffs, and include lists of lands formerly part of the royal estates, which had been given to private individuals. In addition, there are payments of feudal dues and taxes, 'offerings' to the king in connection with legal disputes, records of penalties (amercements) imposed by the itinerant justices, and miscellaneous items such as enrolled charters. As time went on and the volume of administration increased, some of these categories were removed into separate series of records (including, in the 14th century, the accounts of the royal estates).
The early pipe rolls provide a useful source of information from a period when few other records are available. Those from the late 12th and early 13th century have been published with indexes, mainly by the Pipe Roll Society. It is therefore fairly straightforward to search the early pipe rolls for entries relating to particular names (although see the note on surnames in early records). However, interpreting the entries may be less straightforward. Nearly all the printed texts are in Latin, and many of the earlier volumes use 'record type' to reproduce the highly abbreviated style of the originals. Beyond this, while the significance of many entries may be fairly clear, interpreting others may require some knowledge of the administrative procedures. (Useful information is available on the P.R.O. web pages, and in the published Introduction to the Study of the Pipe Rolls, both referred to below.) One other point to bear in mind is that many of the entries record outstanding debts, which were presumably copied from roll to roll until they were paid - and, of course, information copied from year to year may easily become anachronistic...
- Title: FabPedigree: Roger
Publication: Name: http://fabpedigree.com/s060/f641939.htm;
Note: The PEDIGREE of
Roger
poss. Sheriff of London
Born: ? Died: aft. 1125
HM George I's 18-Great Grandfather. U.S. President [B, HARRISON]'s 21-Great Grandfather. PM Churchill's 24-Great Grandfather. Lady Diana's 23-Great Grandfather. PM Cameron's 25-Great Grandfather. Poss. Agnes Harris's 20-Great Grandfather. Poss. `Osawatomie' Brown's 21-Great Grandfather.
Wife/Partner: Ingenolda FitzHERLUIN
Child: Gervaise (FitzRoger) de CORNHILL
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- Roger
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His (poss.) 3(+)-Great Grandchildren: Joan de NEVILLE [alt ped] ; Joan de NEVILLE ; John de NEVILLE ; Walter (Sir) de la LYNDE ; Cecilia de la LYNDE ; Richard de CORNHILL ; David (Lord of) BRECHIN
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