Forne FitzSigulf de Greystoke 2nd Lord of Greystoke

• Preferred Name: Forne FitzSigulf de Greystoke 2nd Lord of Greystoke^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]}
  
• Gender: M
  
• http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: King Henry I granted the barony of Greystoke to Forne “when he took into his own hand the lordship of the land of Carlisle after the departure of Ranulf Meschin." The primary source that records this grant has not been found.ABT 1120 with note: Foundation for Medieval Genealogy: FORNE (-[25 Dec 1128/29 Sep 1130]).
  
• Death: 30 NOV 1129 in Greystoke, Cumberland, England, United Kingdom at LATI: N4.67 LONG: E2.87
  
• Residence: King Henry confirms that he has given ‘Forne son of Sigulf’ land in Thornton-le- Moor in YorkshireBET 1115 AND 1122
  
• http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: 2nd Lord of Greystoke
  
• He+witnessed+the+charter+under+which+King+Henry+I+confirmed+privileges+to+York+St+Peter.: BET FEB 1108 AND 1114 with note: Foundation for Medieval Genealogy: FORNE (-[25 Dec 1128/29 Sep 1130]).
  
• FSID: 99JL-VFV
  
• Birth: ABT 1048 in Greystoke, Cumberland, England, United Kingdom at LATI: N4.67 LONG: E2.87
  
• Burial: in St Andrew's Church, Greystoke, Cumberland, England at LATI: N4.6691 LONG: E2.8646 with note: Find a Grave: Forne "1st Lord Of Greystoke" fitzsigulf St. Andrew Churchyard, Greystoke, Eden District, Cumbria, England
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  Forne FitzSigulf was created Lord of Greystoke by King Henry I of England.
  
  -- Geni: Lord Forne Sigulfson, Lord of Greystoke I
  
  The name of Forne’s wife is not known.
  
  -- Foundation for Medieval Genealogy: FORNE (-[25 Dec 1128/29 Sep 1130]).
  
  The first Norman-recognized lord of Greystoke was Forne, son of Sigulf. Forne’s own son Ivo started to build Greystoke castle in about 1129, at the time of his father’s death.
  
  -- Cumbrian Stories: Forne Sigulfson – The ‘first’ lord of Greystoke in Cumbria

• m. 1074 in Greystoke, Cumberland, England

1. Edith Forne de Greystroke, b. ABT 1082 in Greystroke, Northumberland, England     d. AFT 1129 in Isle of Osney, England
2. Ivo de Greystoke 3rd Baron of Greystoke, b. ABT 1080 in Penrith, Cumberland, England     d. ABT 1156 in Greystoke, Cumberland, England

1. Title: Ancestry Family Trees
   Author: Ancestry Family Tree
   
2. Title: Forne the first lord of Greystoke
   Publication: Name: https://thewildpeak.wordpress.com/2013/03/30/forne-sigulfson-the-first-lord-of-greystoke-in-cumbria/;
   Note: The first Norman-recognized lord of Greystoke was Forne son of Sigulf. Forne’s own son Ivo started to build Greystoke castle in about 1129 at the time of his father’s death. What I’d like to explore is Forne’s likely date of birth, something of his career and his two known children: Ivo and Edith.
   
3. Title: Web: Netherlands, GenealogieOnline Trees Index, 1000-Current
   Publication: Name: https://search.ancestry.com/collections/9289/records/31766734;
   
4. Title: Millennium File
   Publication: Name: https://search.ancestry.com/collections/7249/records/10697324;
   
5. Title: Forne fitzsigulf, "Find A Grave Index"
   Author: "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Z5RS-XD2M : 10 September 2022), 1st Lord Of Greystoke, ; Burial, Greystoke, Eden District, Cumbria, England, St. Andrew Churchyard; citing record ID 208275913, Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.
   Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Z5RS-XD2M;
   
6. Title: Geni: Lord Forne Sigulfson, Lord of Greystoke I
   Author: Added by: Patricia Ann Wells on August 2, 2007 Managed by: David Prins and 48 others Curated by: Pam Wilson (may be slow to respond)
   Publication: Name: https://www.geni.com/people/Lord-Forne-FitzLyulph-Lord-of-Greystoke-I/6000000000424680115;
   Note: Lord Forne FitzLyulph Sigulfson, Lord of Greystoke I Gender: Male Birth: circa 1048 Greystoke, Cumberland, England Death: circa 1129 (72-90) Greystoke, Cumberland, England Place of Burial: Created Lord Of Greystoke By Henry I Immediate Family: Son of Sigulph or Ligulph de Greystoke and Countess Isabell de Broyes Husband of Alditha NN, Lady of Greystoke Father of Lord Ives de Greystoke and Edith FitzForne, de Greystoke (Concubine #6 of Henry I Of England) Immediate Family Showing 5 people Alditha NN, Lady of Greystoke wife Lord Ives de Greystoke son Edith FitzForne, de Greystoke (C... daughter Sigulph or Ligulph de Greystoke father Countess Isabell de Broyes mother
   
7. Title: Cumbrian Stories: Forne Sigulfson – The ‘first’ lord of Greystoke in Cumbria
   Author: Posted: March 30, 2013 in Cumberland, Cumbria, History The early history and dating of the first lords of the barony of Greystoke in Cumberland is of interest not only in itself but also because it can help shed light on the governance of Cumbria both prior to the Norman Conquest of 1066 and in the years and decades which followed. This is the subject of this article. It is a very partial story of how a Norse-descended Cumbrian lord was able to survive and even thrive under the Norman yoke. As you will see the investigation leads us down several unexpected avenues.
   Publication: Name: https://historyofcumbria.wordpress.com/2013/03/30/forne-sigulfson-the-first-lord-of-greystoke-in-cumbria/;
   Note: The first Norman-recognized lord of Greystoke was Forne, son of Sigulf. Forne’s own son Ivo started to build Greystoke castle in about 1129 at the time of his father’s death. What I’d like to explore is Forne’s likely date of birth, something of his career and his two known children: Ivo and Edith. Ultimately the question is whether Forne was one of King Henry 1's "new men," whether he was one of the men that the Anglo-Norman monk and chronicler Orderic Vitalis referred to as being raised from the dust’, or as I and many other historians believe to be the case, maybe he was rather already a significant lord or even magnate before Henry made use of his services? Also was his father Sigulf also a power in the north of England, perhaps even in pre-Conquest days? Many of the contentious issues regarding these questions, while perhaps not being capable of being completely resolved, can at least be illuminated by a close attention to possible dates. Some historians of the North have paid little attention to mundane questions such as the likely births, deaths and ages of the people involved; things that are the stuff of genealogists and family historians. As far as we know Ivo was Forne’s first son. After Forne’s death in about 1129/30, Ivo was reconfirmed by Henry 1 in his father’s northern estates – most importantly the barony of Greystoke in present-day Cumberland. The charter confirming this still exists. Although it is not an original thought, I have suggested elsewhere that Forne named his son Ivo after the first Norman ‘strongman’ sent by King William 11 (or as he is often called William Rufus) to try to subjugate Cumbria. His name was Ivo Taillebois. Ivo Taillebois was a Norman from lower Normandy and he probably arrived in Cumbria with or shortly after William Rufus’s captured Carlisle in 1092. This was the first time the Normans ‘arrived’ in Cumbria, although for quite a long time thereafter they were holed up in their new castles, from where they periodically sallied forth to pillage and rape. It seems that Norman Ivo didn’t last long; he died in either 1093 or 1094. If Forne, whose family all bore Norse names, gave his son the decidedly French name of Ivo, then this, I hazard to suggest, was quite possibly to ingratiate himself with Ivo Taillebois. And if so that would only have made sense if Ivo son of Forne was born while Ivo Taillebois were still alive in Cumbria, i.e. between 1092 and 1094. It could no doubt have been slightly later, ‘in remembrance’ of Ivo Taillebois, but I find this unconvincing. Such a date of birth is of course just conjecture, but I will suggest later that in terms of Forne’s likely age and Ivo’s death it makes sense. But we can pin things down even more if we consider Forne’s daughter Edith Forne Sigulfson, who became King Henry 1’s mistress. It is well established that Edith bore King Henry one son, called both Robert fitz Edith (son of Edith) and Robert fitz Roy (son of the king). There was probably also a daughter called Adeliza. When was Edith Henry’s mistress? I think the evidence indicates that it was in the early 1120s. As Ann Williams writes in her excellent essay Henry 1 and the English: Henry was clearly playing away, Let’s start this exploration with Forne’s two known children.
   
8. Title: Web: Netherlands, GenealogieOnline Trees Index, 1000-Current
   Publication: Name: https://search.ancestry.com/collections/9289/records/31782136;
   
9. Title: Find a Grave: Forne Forne "1st Lord Of Greystoke" fitzsigulf
   Author: MEMORIAL ID 208275913
   Publication: Name: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/208275913/forne-fitzsigulf;
   Note: Forne Forne "1st Lord Of Greystoke" fitzsigulf BIRTH 1048 DEATH 1130 (aged 81–82) BURIAL St. Andrew Churchyard Greystoke, Eden District, Cumbria, England MEMORIAL ID 208275913 Forne, 1st Lord Of Greystoke, Fitzsigulf
   
10. Title: Foundation for Medieval Genealogy: FORNE (-[25 Dec 1128/29 Sep 1130])
    Publication: Name: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3D-K.htm#_ftnref565;
    Note: FORNE (-[25 Dec 1128/29 Sep 1130]). "...F[orne] son of Sigulf" witnessed the charter dated Feb [1108-14] under which King Henry I confirmed privileges to York St Peter. Wilson records that King Henry I granted "the barony of Greystoke" to Forne "when he took into his own hand the lordship of the land of Carlisle after the departure of Ranulf Meschin...about 1120": the primary source which records this grant has not been found. King Henry I confirmed their possessions of lands held 16 May 1119 to "W[alter] Espec, For [son of Sigulf] and O[dard] the sheriff" by charter dated [1121, Mar?]. "...Fornone filio Sigulfi" witnessed the charter dated to [1120/29] under which Henry I King of England confirmed "in feodo et hereditate terram suam de Fangefosse et de Thorpe et de Meltemebia et de Geveldala" to "Willelmo filio Ulfi" (see below). Henry I King of England confirmed "terram de Torentona que est de feodo Robert Malet" [Thornton-le-Moor] to "Fornoni filio Sigulfi" by charter dated to [1114/23]. King Henry I notified "Walter Espec and Eustace fitz John, Forne [son of Sigulf] and the sheriff...of Yorkshire" of his grant of land in "Nomintona" [Nunnington] to York St Mary by charter dated [Dec 25?] 1128. An undated charter, in the reign of King Stephen "unoquoque anno," records donations to Hexham, among which land donated by "Forno, et Ivo filius eius." King Henry II confirmed donations to Carlisle priory, including the donation of "terræ in Staintone, quas Ivo filius Forni et Agnes uxor eius, et Walterus pater eius...dederunt" made by "Rannulphi filii Walteri" by charter dated 4 Mar [no year]. Forne died before the 1129/30 Pipe Roll in which his son is named (see below). m ---. The name of Forne’s wife is not known. Forne & his wife had two children: