Ralph de Limesi

• Preferred Name: Ralph de Limesi^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] [25]}
  
• Gender: M
  
• FSID: L89M-VTH
  
• Birth: ABT 1040 in Alost, Limésy, Seine-Maritime, Normandy, France at LATI: N9.6125 LONG: E0.9238 with note: See historical information on Ralph de Limesi posted under the "Memories" tab.
  
• Death: AFT 1093 in of Hertford Priory, Hertfordshire, England at LATI: N1.8316 LONG: E0.1115 with note: See historical information on Ralph de Limesi posted under the "Memories" tab.
  
• Notes:

  Historical Information about Ralph de Limesi
  During the past several decades occasional questions have been raised about the medieval ancestry of Ralph de Limesi (born about 1040 AD), who appears as an ancestor of the Broughs of Staffordshire, E
  
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  CURATORS NOTE: Contradictory accounts exist about whether his mother was Beatrice de Vascoeuil or Emma de Bellecombe, but recent scholarship leans towards the latter, who some report to have been Ranu
  
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  MEDIEVAL LANDS
  
  RODULF de Warenne, son of --- (-1074 or after). An undated charter records an agreement between Sainte-Trinité de Rouen and "Rodulfo Warethnæ" to buy land "in Blovilla…apud villam…Merd
  
  === Family ===
  Family:
  
  Son of Baron Ralph de Limesi, I and Christina de Limesi
  Husband of Hawise de Limesi
  Father of Sir Gerard de Limesi
  Brother of Bishop Robert De Limesi
  
  === Nephew to William the Conqueror by his h ===
  Nephew to William the Conqueror by his half sister. Given the Barony of Oxburg or Oxenburg in Norfolk and 41 other manors with the lands of Christina, one of the sisters of Prince Edgar, whom Ralf married.
  
  === Radulfus or Ralph de Limesi, son of Hugo ===
  Radulfus or Ralph de Limesi, son of Hugo de Limesi; b about 1040 in Normandy; he was also called Radulfus de Linesi in 1086 (Duchesne's Historiæ Anglicanae p 378). He came with the Conqueror into England and fought at the Battle of Hastings in 1066; 15 Ed I. Com' Hertford: Hugo (de Oddingeseles) venit & dicit qd quidam Radus de Limsy antecessor suus venit cum Conquestore Angl & maniu illud tenuit . . . Piriton ( Placita de Quo Warranto, Ed I, II, III p 289). He is probably the Radulfo de Limeseio, a witness to a charter [by the Conqueror], or W[illiam] II who reigned 1087-1100, in favor of the Prior and Convent of St Swithun's, Winchester, co Hants, who was followed by a Radulfo de Limesi, a witness to a charter by Henry I, who reigned 1100-1135, in favor of St Swithun's, Winchester (Charter Rolls, III:345-47); these two Ralphs de Limesi might be the same person, but it is more probable that they are father and son. During the rule of Paul, who was abbot of St Albans Abbey from 1077-1093, Radulfus de Limesi gave to the Abbey the church of Hertford which he had recently built (Dugd Monast, Charter I). Whether he m 1st or 2d Maria daughter of William FitzOsborn, Earl of Hereford, and sister of Roger, Earl of Hereford, or Cristina*, sister of Prince Edgar Atheling, cannot be exactly determined. The probabilities are that he married both, Maria being his first wife. [Lindeseie/Limesi Families I:191]
  
  *It is known that Christina, sister to Edgar and Margaret took up the veil at a young age and did not marry.
  
  === Randolph de Limesay or limesis, founder ===
  Randolph de Limesay or limesis, founder of Hertford Priory and atenant-in-chief of large estates 1086; the name de Limesay/Limesisderives from a fief near Caux in Normandy and those who bore it wereallegedly cadets of the house of To(s)ny, legitiimate heirs male ofthe Dukes of Normandy. [Burke's Peerage]
  
  Before the Conquest AMWELL, AMWELLBURY or GREAT AMWELL was a'berewick' or outlying estate attached with two others at Hertford andHoddesdon to Earl Harold's manor of Hatfield Broadoak. (fn. 29) Allthree berewicks were evidently included in the 14½ hides at Amwellwhich constituted the holding of Ralf de Limesy in 1086. (fn. 30) Thisholding probably extended over what is now Little Amwell, part ofwhich with Ralf's lands in Hertford formed the endowment of his prioryat Hertford. (fn. 31) Ralf's holding at Hoddesdon was probablyidentical with the manor of Geddings and other lands held of the manorof Great Amwell. (fn. 32)
  
  29 V.C.H. Essex, i, 429b. Possibly the Hertford 'berewick' was 'Limesyfee' in which was built the Priory of Hertford (see the account of theBorough).
  30 V.C.H. Herts. i, 325b; cf. ibid. 299; V.C.H. Essex, i, 338.
  31 See under Little Amwell; cf. Dugdale, Mon. iii, 300.
  32 Add. R. 26828. The manor of Hoddesdonbury and the other manor atHoddesdon held before the
  Conquest by Asgar the Staller are dealt with under Broxbourne, inwhich parish lay Hoddesdonbury.
  
  From: 'Parishes: Great Amwell', A History of the County of Hertford:volume 3 (1912), pp. 414-419. URL:http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=43635. Dateaccessed: 27 October 2007.
  
  Radulfus or Ralph de Limesi, son of Hugo de Limesi; b about 1040 inNormandy; he was also called Radulfus de Linesi in 1086 (Duchesne'sHistoriæ Anglicanae p 378). He came with the Conqueror into Englandand fought at the Battle of Hastings in 1066; 15 Ed I. Com' Hertford:Hugo (de Oddingeseles) venit & dicit qd quidam Radus de Limsyantecessor suus venit cum Conquestore Angl & maniu illud tenuit . . .Piriton ( Placita de Quo Warranto, Ed I, II, III p 289). He isprobably the Radulfo de Limeseio, a witness to a charter [by theConqueror], or W[illiam] II who reigned 1087-1100, in favor of thePrior and Convent of St Swithun's, Winchester, co Hants, who wasfollowed by a Radulfo de Limesi, a witness to a charter by Henry I,who reigned 1100-1135, in favor of St Swithun's, Winchester (CharterRolls, III:345-47); these two Ralphs de Limesi might be the sameperson, but it is more probable that they are father and son. Duringthe rule of Paul, who was abbot of St Albans Abbey from 1077-1093,Radulfus de Limesi gave to the Abbey the church of Hertford which hehad recently built (Dugd Monast, Charter I). Whether he m 1st or 2dMaria daughter of William FitzOsborn, Earl of Hereford, and sister ofRoger, Earl of Hereford, or Cristina*, sister of Prince EdgarAtheling, cannot be exactly determined. The probabilities are that hemarried both, Maria being his first wife. [Lindeseie/Limesi FamiliesI:191]
  
  *It is known that Christina, sister to Edgar and Margaret took up theveil at a young age and did not marry.
  
  Randolph de Limesay or limesis, founder of Hertford Priory and atenant-in-chief of large estates 1086; the name de Limesay/Limesisderives from a fief near Caux in Normandy and those who bore it wereallegedly cadets of the house of To(s)ny, legitiimate heirs male ofthe Dukes of Normandy. [Burke's Peerage]
  
  Before the Conquest AMWELL, AMWELLBURY or GREAT AMWELL was a'berewick' or outlying estate attached with two others at Hertford andHoddesdon to Earl Harold's manor of Hatfield Broadoak. (fn. 29) Allthree berewicks were evidently included in the 14½ hides at Amwellwhich constituted the holding of Ralf de Limesy in 1086. (fn. 30) Thisholding probably extended over what is now Little Amwell, part ofwhich with Ralf's lands in Hertford formed the endowment of his prioryat Hertford. (fn. 31) Ralf's holding at Hoddesdon was probablyidentical with the manor of Geddings and other lands held of the manorof Great Amwell. (fn. 32)
  
  29V.C.H. Essex, i, 429b. Possibly the Hertford 'berewick' was 'Limesyfee' in which was built the Priory of Hertford (see the account of theBorough).
  30V.C.H. Herts. i, 325b; cf. ibid. 299; V.C.H. Essex, i, 338.
  31See under Little Amwell; cf. Dugdale, Mon. iii, 300.
  32Add. R. 26828. The manor of Hoddesdonbury and the other manor atHoddesdon held before the
  Conquest by Asgar the Staller are dealt with under Broxbourne, inwhich parish lay Hoddesdonbury.
  
  From: 'Parishes: Great Amwell', A History of the County of Hertford:volume 3 (1912), pp. 414-419. URL:http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=43635. Dateaccessed: 27 October 2007.
  
  Radulfus or Ralph de Limesi, son of Hugo de Limesi; b about 1040 inNormandy; he was also called Radulfus de Linesi in 1086 (Duchesne'sHistoriæ Anglicanae p 378). He came with the Conqueror into Englandand fought at the Battle of Hastings in 1066; 15 Ed I. Com' Hertford:Hugo (de Oddingeseles) venit & dicit qd quidam Radus de Limsyantecessor suus venit cum Conquestore Angl & maniu illud tenuit . . .Piriton ( Placita de Quo Warranto, Ed I, II, III p 289). He isprobably the Radulfo de Limeseio, a witness to a charter [by theConqueror], or W[illiam] II who reigned 1087-1100, in favor of thePrior and Convent of St Swithun's, Winchester, co Hants, who wasfollowed by a Radulfo de Limesi, a witness to a charter by Henry I,who reigned 1100-1135, in favor of St Swithun's, Winchester (CharterRolls, III:345-47); these two Ralphs de Limesi might be the sameperson, but it is more probable that they are father and son. Duringthe rule of Paul, who was abbot of St Albans Abbey from 1077-1093,Radulfus de Limesi gave to the Abbey the church of Hertford which hehad recently built (Dugd Monast, Charter I). Whether he m 1st or 2dMaria daughter of William FitzOsborn, Earl of Hereford, and sister ofRoger, Earl of Hereford, or Cristina*, sister of Prince EdgarAtheling, cannot be exactly determined. The probabilities are that hemarried both, Maria being his first wife. [Lindeseie/Limesi FamiliesI:191]
  
  *It is known that Christina, sister to Edgar and Margaret took up theveil at a young age and did not marry.
  
  See "Historical Information about Ralph de Limesi" under the Collaborate and Memories section of this individual.
  
  === Historical Information about Ralph de Limesi ===
  Extensive "Historical Information about Ralph de Limesi" is posted in the "Memories" section of this individual. (Source: Brough Family Organization: https://sites.google.com/view/brough-family-organization/eng-staffordshire/de-limesi)

• m. ABT 1062 in England

1. Ralph de Limesi II, b. ABT 1067 in Pirton, Hertfordshire, England, United Kingdom     d. BEF 1129 in Hertfordshire, England, United Kingdom
2. Robert de Limesi, b. ABT 1063 in of Chester, Cheshire, England     d. 1 SEP 1117 in Chester, Cheshire, England

1. Title: Genealogical Relationships of the Brough Pioneers of Utah to their English Ancestors
   Publication: Name: https://sites.google.com/view/brough-family-organization/mormon-pioneers;
   Note: This individual is listed in the Brough Family Organization (BFO) database entitled "English Ancestors of Brough Pioneers", which is listed online at: https://sites.google.com/view/brough-family-organization/mormon-pioneers .
   
2. Title: BHO Online...History of Gerard de Limesi and families
   Publication: Name: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/thoroton-notts/vol3/pp36-40;
   
3. Title: The Linzee family of Great Britain and the United States of America and the allied families of Penfold, Hood, Amory, Tilden, Hunt, Browne, Wooldridge [and] Evans by Linzee, John William, b. 1867
   Author: pages 10, 24-27, 36-37, also pages 176-208 etc...pages 178-186 give a detailed assumed summary of unknown pedigree chart beyond Ralph de Limesi by father Hugo de Toesni, surnamed Limesi...the only problem is that there is lack of proof to connect Ralph to this person...
   Publication: Name: https://archive.org/details/linzeefamilyofgr01linz;
   Note: gives all info on the family of Randolph (Ralph de Limesi) when he invaded England with William Conquerer, and was one of the first of Baron's given title to land, his heritage etc... NOTE: there seems to be confliction of who was the father of Gerard, some says he was grandson to this Ralph and other books seem to side with the fact that he was indeed the Great grandson to Ralph, as Ralph had another son named Ralph also, and he continued the line to Gerard...
   
4. Title: An Analysis of the Domesday Book of the County of Norfolk
   Author: page 41-42
   Publication: Name: https://books.google.com/books?id=CeM9AAAAcAAJ&pg=PA42&lpg=PA42&dq=gerard+de+limesi+pedigree&source=bl&ots=1YYnT43Bri&sig=XwFoj8X9A_LaR8LVLICswtPwHnk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=RR0NVcjyDImeyQS2vID4AQ&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=gerard%20de%20limesi%20pedigree&f=false;
   Note: pedigree from Ralph to Gerard...
   
5. Title: Falaise roll recording prominent companions of William, Duke of Normandy at the conquest of England
   Author: Crispin, Mordecai Jackson, 1875-1953. (Main) Macary, Lâeonce, joint author. (Added), Falaise roll recording prominent companions of William, Duke of Normandy at the conquest of England, Orange - Family History Library, 674 S. Yorba Street, Orange, CA 92869-5042 U.S.A.
   Note: "DESCRIPTION: xx, 196, 196a-196d, [197]-258 p. illus., facsims., geneal. tables(14 (part fold.) in pocket), map. 24 cm. NOTES: Reprint of the 1938 ed. SUBJECTS: Normans--England.William I, King of England, 1027 or 8-1087.Great Britain--Genealogy.". [PFT:AQ] [S:Titl] Falaise roll recording prominent companions of William, Duke of Normandy at the conquest of England [S:Auth] Crispin, Mordecai Jackson, 1875-1953. (Main) Macary, Lâeonce, joint author. (Added) [S:Text] DESCRIPTION: xx, 196, 196a-196d, [197]-258 p. illus., facsims., geneal. tables(14 (part fold.) in pocket), map. 24 cm. NOTES: Reprint of the 1938 ed. SUBJECTS: Normans--England.William I, King of England, 1027 or 8-1087.Great Britain--Genealogy. [R:Name] Orange - Family History Library [R:Addr] 674 S. Yorba Street Orange, CA 92869-5042 U.S.A. [R:Phon] (714) 997-7710 [/PFT]
   
6. Title: Ephriam Lindsey and his descendants by Holbrook, Lydia Jane Lindsey
   Author: page 7 on...
   Publication: Name: https://archive.org/details/ephriamlindseyhi00holb;
   Note: Gives info on Randolph (Ralph) that invaded england with William the Conquerer and his family...
   
7. Title: Online - Limesi
   
8. Title: The Scots peerage : founded on Wood's ed. of Sir Robert Douglas's Peerage of Scotland; containing an historical and genealogical account of the nobility of that kingdom by Paul, James Balfour, Sir, 1846-1931
   Publication: Name: https://archive.org/stream/scotspeeragefoun03pauluoft#page/n13/mode/2up;
   Note: page 1-2 gives early history from Sir Walter de Lindsay down to William...page 6 etc...gives info on david and his family, page 7 info on Alicia who married Henry de Pinkeney. Page 3 gives info about Alienora de Limesi and her parents, Gerard de Limesi and Amicia de Bidun, on page 8-9 gives details of this person Margaret and her Husband David and there children...
   
9. Title: Book - Great Amwell, Past & Present
   
10. Title: British History Online
    
11. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Randolph (Ralph) de Limesay -
    Author: Domesday Descendants, A Prosopography of People Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166, K B S Keats-Rohan {2002}, Page number: 549
    Note: Source Media Type: Book
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12. Title: Book - Dormant & Extinct Baronetage of England
    
13. Title: Book - Victorian History of County Warwick
    Author: Google Books
    
14. Title: Book - Manors of Suffolk
    Author: Google Books
    
15. Title: Book - Key to Domesday - Dorset survey
    
16. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Randolph de Limesi Lord Bradewell & Wolverley -
    Author: Domesday Book Illustrated: Containing an Account of that AntientRecord, Robert Kelham, Name: John Nichols; Location: London; Date: 1788;, Page number: p. 73
    Note: Robert Kelham, Domesday Book Illustrated: Containing an Account ofthat Antient Record (London, John Nichols, 1788).
    Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:3246399006
    
17. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Randolph de Limesi Lord Bradewell & Wolverley -
    Author: London: Being an Accurate History and Description of the BritishMetropolis, David Hughson, Name: J. Stratford; Location: London; Date: 1807;, Page number: Vol. VI, p. 92
    Note: David Hughson, London: Being an Accurate History and Description ofthe British Metropolis (London, J. Stratford, 1807).
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18. Title: Book - Bristol & Gloucester
    Author: Google Books
    
19. Title: Book - History & Antiquities of Hertfordshire
    Author: Google Books
    
20. Title: Book - Baronia Angelica Concentrata
    Author: Google Books
    
21. Title: Book - Solihull & its Church
    Author: Google Books
    
22. Title: Continued History of The Limesi, Bidun and Ethelred 'The Unready' lines from BHO online
    Author: British History Online
    Note: LONG ITCHINGTON: Under section, Manors, discusses Ethelred and Limesi's Land... http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/warks/vol6/pp125-132 SHIPDEN AND CROMER: Discusses Limesi's Land continued... http://www.british-history.ac.uk/topographical-hist-norfolk/vol8/pp102-107 Under section, William Turbus, discusses Bidun and his wife Agnes becoming canonized... http://www.british-history.ac.uk/topographical-hist-norfolk/vol3/pp454-599 Under section, Cotes Bidun... http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/northants/vol4/pp29-39 MORCOTT: Under section Manors, discusses Bidun's land etc... http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/rutland/vol2/pp207-211 Watlington: Discusses Biduns history throughout... http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/oxon/vol8/pp210-252 Maxstoke: Under subsection Maxstoke, gives info on Amicia's father Halenath Bidun and husband Gerard de Limesi http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/warks/vol4/pp133-142 EPERSTON. EPRESTON: Gives pedigree and history of Limesi's Line from Radulphus, the son of that Ralph that came with William the Conquerer's Invasion force and was given title to lands in England... http://www.british-history.ac.uk/thoroton-notts/vol3/pp36-40 OXBURGH: Gerard de Limesi's daughter Alianore marries into the Lindsay line via William (note: the text is incorrect in regards to Alianore, they show David as being her Husband, when in fact she was his mother, check other source connected called, Alianora married William and not David her son...) http://www.british-history.ac.uk/topographical-hist-norfolk/vol6/pp168-197
    
23. Title: The Historic Peerage of England: Exhibiting, Under Alphabetical Arrangement
    Author: page 287
    Publication: Name: https://books.google.com/books?id=5HwaAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA287&lpg=PA287&dq=gerard+de+limesi+pedigree&source=bl&ots=NXRzKXWCza&sig=Ux0vtTIVN1nQYIR40jhHk_H5WoM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=RR0NVcjyDImeyQS2vID4AQ&ved=0CE4Q6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=gerard%20de%20limesi%20pedigree&f=false;
    Note: pedigree from Ralph to Gerard...
    
24. Title: Book - Chrysler, Folker & Allied Families
    Author: Google Books
    
25. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Randolph de Limesi Lord Bradewell & Wolverley -
    Author: British History Online/Victoria County History, Name: http://www.british-history.ac.uk;, Page number: 'Parishes: Great Amwell', A History of the County of Hertford: volume3(1912), pp. 414-419.
    Note: British History Online/Victoria County History(http://www.british-history.ac.uk).
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