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Robert FitzPicot de Saye Arenel
- Preferred Name: Robert FitzPicot de Saye Arenel[1] [2] [3]
- Alternate Name: Picot of Normandy
- Alternate Name: Robert Fitzpicot De Say
- Gender: M
- FSID: GKQ6-LR7
- Death: ABT 1060
- Birth: 992 in Orne, Basse-Normandie, France at LATI: N8.67 LONG: E0.08 with note: bisherige daten
- Notes:
=== Life Sketch ===
Robert de Say, also called Robert Fitz-Picot, was a Norman knight who arrived in Shropshire after the Norman invasion.
Robert is most noted for the initial construction of Clun Castle, building it overlooking the lands he had seized from Edric the Wild after the invasion. The family name de Say comes from the Norman village of Sai, in Orne. Robert was an important vassal of Roger of Montgomery, the 1st Earl of Shrewsbury and a major early Norman magnate. Robert died in 1098.
Robert's son Henry de Say continued possession of Clun Castle. Robert's daughter married the Welsh lord Cadwgan ap Bleddyn, who acquired permission to move to England, probably Clun, in 1109.
de Say (Saye, Sai) is the surname of an old Norman noble family originating from Sai, Orne. The first records are about William de Say and Picot de Say, Norman conquerors. The de Say family, held lands in England and France.
«b»French origin«/b»
The family descend from Picot de Say and William de Say.
«b»England«/b»
William de Say and Picot de Say were companions of the Conqueror in 1066. Picot de Say obtained lands in Shropshire, with his son Robert building a motte and bailey castle, known as Clun Castle near Clun, Shropshire. William de Say's descendants inherited the manor of West Greenwich, now known as Deptford, and adopted the Maminot arms, Quarterly, or and gules.
BIO
BIO: Lord of Aunay
** from Falaise Roll (Crispin) p 50
This Norman family emanated from Say, west of Exmes in the Norman viscountcy of Roger de Montgomery, and was a branch of the Avenel family de
=== https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_de_Say ===
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_de_Say
=== !Brown book 5, P C 313 & 340. Co-founder ===
!Brown book 5, P C 313 & 340. Co-founder of St Matin of Seez in 1060; he had 3 sons who all came with William the Conqueror.
=== Royal Ancestors of Some LDS Families, By ===
Royal Ancestors of Some LDS Families, By Michael Call, Chart 472 - # 16
=== Robert was co-founder of Saint-Martin of ===
Robert was co-founder of Saint-Martin of Seez in 1060. His three sons all came to England at the Conquest (Picot de Say, Robert FitzPicot and William de Say). {-"Falaise Roll," (1938), p. 52}
Preferred Parents:
Father: Robert Fitz Picot de Saye Avenel, I Lord of Aunay, b. um 0970 in Saye, Normandie, France d. 1030
Mother: Adeloyse of Clun, b. 967 in France d. 1024 in France
Family 1: Adeloya de Coimis, b. um 1002 in Sai, Orne, Normandie, France d. 17 MAY 1086 in Orne, Normandie, France
- m. 1019 in Normandie, Frankreich
- Ingelram de Say, b. um 1019 in Normandie, France
- Picot de Lascelles, I High Sheriff of Cambridgeshire, b. ABT 1022 in Saye, Orne, Normandie, France d. ABT 1092 in Escrick, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom
Sources:
- Title: Death 1098, Robert FitzPicot, Wikipedia
Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Say;
- Title: Clun Castle was established by Robert de Say, Wikipedia
Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clun_Castle;
- Title: Picot of Sai, Held Land in Shropshire, Domesday Book, 1086, Open Domesday
Publication: Name: https://opendomesday.org/name/picot-of-sai/;
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