Toelmag de Talesmasche

• Preferred Name: Toelmag de Talesmasche
  
• Alternate Name: Todmag ( Lord of Samford) Hundred
  
• Alternate Name: Unknown Toelmag
  
• Gender: M
  
• FSID: LHPV-VZG
  
• Death: ABT 1100 in Suffolk, England
  
• Birth: 1045 in Saxony, Sachsen, Germany at LATI: N1 LONG: E3.25
  
• Title (Nobility): with note: Description: Lord of Samford
  
• Notes:

  === * Note: From Early records of the Talma ===
  * Note: From Early records of the Talmage Family in England and its settlement in America by Robert T almage 28 E 70 th St. N.Y. City unkn date. Dim ages ago there lived at Bently, in the Hundred of Samford, county of Suffolk, England . a Saxon lord and landed propreitor by the name of Toelmag, whose name appears in the Doomsd ay Book, and whose descendants livibg there at that period, managed to keep their possession s from the rapacious hands of Duke William and his Normann follers in 1066 and subsequent yea rs. Doubtless, he or his forbears, had sailed across the North Sea from Saxony, and finding the c ountry fair and fertile, had taken root in Suffolk. The Orwell, on the banks of which Bentl y lies, is an estaury of the sea over which they came. During the fifth or sixth century the Saxons overran Britian as conquerors and remained. Swee ping everything before them, Celts, Picts, and Scots proving no match for them, they settle d down as landed proprietorswith ideas of a government based on individual righta, their publ ic assemblies being designated " The Meeting of the Wise Men". Traces of the Roman and Celt o ccupation were gradually eliminated, language,customs and ideas becoming Saxon. Tacitus, th e historian, writing of the Saxons says: They are the finest of all the German tribes and str ive more then the rest to found their greatness upon equality. They are a passionless, firm a nd quiet people. They live a solitary life and do not stir up wars, nor harrass the country b y plunder and thaft". The majority of the population of England were of this race at the tim e of the Norman conquest. Debenham, where the Saxon kings first held their court, is only a few miles north of Bently M anor in Sufflok, while Winchester, the second Saxon capital, is only five miles from Upper So mborne in Hampshire, the home of the Talmages of the American emigration. There can be no doubt as to the early coming of Toelmag among the invading Sxaons nor of hi s status, seated on his great holdings in East Anglia, nor of his identity as the first Talma ge ancestor of historical record. Collins, in his Peerage," names King Stephen as one of hi s decendants. In a earli description of Suffolk, written by Abbs Floricensis in 970, this picture of it i s presented by an eye witness: " This place is called East Anglia and it is a very noble coun try, being watered on all sides. South and east is the ocean and north great wet fens, whic h decend to the sea. On the west the Province is joined to the rest of the island and may the refore be entered by land, but lest it should be tormented by frequent incursions by the enem y, it is fortified with an earthen rampart like a wall and with a great ditch. The inner part s are of rich soil made exceedingly pleasant by gardens and groves and rendered agreeable fo r hunting, famous for pasturage and abounding with sheep and all sorts of cattle. The erssan t tongue of the sea on one side lap it and fens make a prodigious number of lakes full of fis h. Great numbers of monks live in these fens and so find their desired solitude and have no o ccasion for the privacy of the wilderness. From this account one gets a fair idea, not only o f the country itself, but a glimpse into yhr life of the people who inhabit it as well. Almos t nothing remains of these Saxon settlements, as their houses were built of wood and the stoc kades or palisaded entrenchments, their favorite " places of the arms," were very light struc tures forming a hall or shed, which seemed to be sufficent shelter for the lord and his men. A description of the Saxon of that period is given in "Social England." He was of tall satur e and powerfully made, having a long, flowinf beard and hair to hios shoulders. His tunic rea ched to his knees, being girdled at the waist. With this was worn a short cloak and sometime s stockings, but always shoes or sandals. Silk, linen and wool were used for garments of bot h sexes and part of the men's attire was often of leather. When equiped for war a helmet of l eather covered the head and a moon shaped shield of the same material, painted red, was carri ed for protection. They attained terrible celerity in weilding their favorite weapon - the ba ttle axe. Boars and wild deer were the principal objects of pursuit, but they also hunted har es and goats. Hawking was a favorite pastime and for these sports bows and arrows, as well a s slings, were used in the chase. Bently Manor lies in a well wooded country midst pasture lands. The manor house was doubtless ly constructed of wood and consisted of the hall, bower or barn, storehouse and sheds for cat tle, which made up the homestead of a manorial family of this day. These buildings stood in t heir own garth, with a hedge of wall of stones and mud surrounding them. The log timbered hal l, the bell house and moat around such a stockade designating the home of gentility. Bently Manor of today is a reconstructed house of the fifteenth century, but stands upon th e original site. One end is still half timbered and upon one of those huge timbers, on the ga rden side of the house, are carved the names pf Lional Talmash and Edith Joyce, with floral e mblems. This would definitely date the building as it was in the fifteenth century that Sir L ional marred Edith. Over the main entrance to the manor was as stone, upon which was out a di stich, which ran: "Before the Normans into England came Bently was my seat and Talmash was my name. But this has long since disappeared. Sir Lional Talmash also built or reconstructed Helmingham Hall, which lies some tem miles dis tant; also the stone church. Much of the Bently estate passed out of the Talmash family at some period, and for a reason n ot definitely known. Tradition says that one of the owners of Helmingham Hall gambled away "e very acre at Bently that could the plough could turn." The family still retained however, tw o large woods known as " Portland and Plymouth Groves" and a few yea rs ago the Hon. Stanhop e Tollemache, son of Baron Tollemache of Helmingham, repurchased the remainder of the Bentl y property. Early in the twelfth century the name Hugh Talmash appears as Hugo de Talmash upon several wr its in a ms. cartulary of Mount St. Michel, Normandy, covering transactions between Thomas d e St. John and the monks, under the date of 1121, in which Hugo Talmash figures as a witness . " A close family relationship is shown to exist between him and the family of St. John, whi ch lived only a few miles from Avranches, in thew parish of St. Jean de Thomas." The same ass ociation of the names occurs in many of the early records of Oxfordshire. These St. Johns wer e of noble origin, ancestors of the St. Johns of Staunton and Rolingbroke Priory of Sussex. Many authorities have stated that a Talmash came with William the Conqueror and that the nam e is to be found on the Battle Abby Rool. It seems more probable that upon the Conqueror's re turn to Normandy the year after his invasion, i.e. 1067, he carried with him, among the hosta ges, one or more members of the family, which would account for the name being found among th e monastery records at Avranches. Probably Hugo de Talmash married a St. John and lived on th eir estate in Normandy before returning to England. If indeed, there was an officer among th e Norman invaders by the name of Talmash, as stated by Durant Cooper in "Notes and Queties, " he was no doubt closely akin to the Bently Manor people in county Sufflok, and it is theref ore not strange that their estates did escape " the rapacious hands of the Conqueror." For more then three hundred years - from the 9th to the 12th century - there is no record o f the Talmadge Family, but after the coming of William the Conqueror, monastaries and convent s began to record gifts and bequests and to even transact and record land deals for those wh o held property in the county through which often can be obtained family connections. Some ye ars later the Pipe Rolls and Feets & Fines came into existance, and more valuable knowledge c an be gleaned from them regarding the genealogy of the early family. We know however, taht no t only were the lands at Bently held during this long period of silence, but that property ha d been acquired by or conferred upon the family in the intarim, both in Oxfordshire and Hamps hire. In those days , knighthood and lands, were generally given in recognition of deeds of v alor and service rendered to the king on battlefields, either at home or abroad, although tit les of nobility were then, as they are now, hereditary. Source: The Glatt Family Contact: Terence A. Glatt
  
  === From Early records of the Talmage Famil ===
  From Early records of the Talmage Family in England and its settlement in America by Robert Talmage 28 E 70 th St. N.Y. City unkn date. Dim ages ago there lived at Bently, in the Hundred of Samford, county of Suffolk, England. a Saxon lord and landed propreitor by the name of Toelmag, whose name appears in the Doomsday Book, and whose descendants livibg there at that period, managed to keep their possessions from the rapacious hands of Duke William and his Normann follers in 1066 and subsequent years. Doubtless, he or his forbears, had sailed across the North Sea from Saxony, and finding the country fair and fertile, had taken root in Suffolk. The Orwell, on the banks of which Bently lies, is an estaury of the sea over which they came. During the fifth or sixth century the Saxons overran Britian as conquerors and remained. Sweeping everything before them, Celts, Picts, and Scots proving no match for them, they settled down as landed proprietorswith ideas of a government based on individual righta, their public assemblies being designated " The Meeting of the Wise Men". Traces of the Roman and Celt occupation were gradually eliminated, language,customs and ideas becoming Saxon. Tacitus, the historian, writing of the Saxons says: They are the finest of all the German tribes and strive more then the rest to found their greatness upon equality. They are a passionless, firm and quiet people. They live a solitary life and do not stir up wars, nor harrass the country by plunder and thaft". The majority of the population of England were of this race at the time of the Norman conquest. Debenham, where the Saxon kings first held their court, is only a few miles north of Bently Manor in Sufflok, while Winchester, the second Saxon capital, is only five miles from Upper Somborne in Hampshire, the home of the Talmages of the American emigration. There can be no doubt as to the early coming of Toelmag among the invading Sxaons nor of his status, seated on his great holdings in E ast Anglia, nor of his identity as the first Talmage ancestor of historical record. Collins, in his Peerage," names King Stephen as one of his decendants. In a earli description of Suffolk, written by Abbs Floricensis in 970, this picture of it is presented by an eye witness: " This place is called East Anglia and it is a very noble country, being watered on all sides. South and east is the ocean and north great wet fens, which decend to the sea. On the west the Province is joined to the rest of the island and may therefore be entered by land, but lest it should be tormented by frequent incursions by the enemy, it is fortified with an earthen rampart like a wall and with a great ditch. The inner parts are of rich soil made exceedingly pleasant by gardens and groves and rendered agreeable for hunting, famous for pasturage and abounding with sheep and all sorts of cattle. The erssant tongue of the sea on one side lap it and fens make a prodigious number of lakes full of fish. Great numbers of monks live in these fens and so find their desired solitude and have no occasion for the privacy of the wilderness. From this account one gets a fair idea, not only of the country itself, but a glimpse into yhr life of the people who inhabit it as well. Almost nothing remains of these Saxon settlements, as their houses were built of wood and the stockades or palisaded entrenchments, their favorite " places of the arms," were very light structures forming a hall or shed, which seemed to be sufficent shelter for the lord and his men. A description of the Saxon of that period is given in "Social England." He was of tall sature and powerfully made, having a long, flowinf beard and hair to hios shoulders. His tunic reached to his knees, being girdled at the waist. With this was worn a short cloak and sometimes stockings, but always shoes or sandals. Silk, linen and wool were used for garments of both sexes and part of the men's attire was often of leather. When equiped for war a he lmet of leather covered the head and a moon shaped shield of the same material, painted red, was carried for protection. They attained terrible celerity in weilding their favorite weapon - the battle axe. Boars and wild deer were the principal objects of pursuit, but they also hunted hares and goats. Hawking was a favorite pastime and for these sports bows and arrows, as well as slings, were used in the chase. Bently Manor lies in a well wooded country midst pasture lands. The manor house was doubtlessly constructed of wood and consisted of the hall, bower or barn, storehouse and sheds for cattle, which made up the homestead of a manorial family of this day. These buildings stood in their own garth, with a hedge of wall of stones and mud surrounding them. The log timbered hall, the bell house and moat around such a stockade designating the home of gentility. Bently Manor of today is a reconstructed house of the fifteenth century, but stands upon the original site. One end is still half timbered and upon one of those huge timbers, on the garden side of the house, are carved the names pf Lional Talmash and Edith Joyce, with floral emblems. This would definitely date the building as it was in the fifteenth century that Sir Lional marred Edith. Over the main entrance to the manor was as stone, upon which was out a distich, which ran: "Before the Normans into England came Bently was my seat and Talmash was my name. But this has long since disappeared. Sir Lional Talmash also built or reconstructed Helmingham Hall, which lies some tem miles distant; also the stone church. Much of the Bently estate passed out of the Talmash family at some period, and for a reason not definitely known. Tradition says that one of the owners of Helmingham Hall gambled away "every acre at Bently that could the plough could turn." The family still retained however, two large woods known as " Portland and Plymouth Groves" and a few years ago the Hon. Stanhope Tollemache, son of Baron Tollemache of Helmingham, repurchased the remainder of the Bently property. Early in the twelfth century the name Hugh Talmash appears as Hugo de Talmash upon several writs in a ms. cartulary of Mount St. Michel, Normandy, covering transactions between Thomas de St. John and the monks, under the date of 1121, in which Hugo Talmash figures as a witness. " A close family relationship is shown to exist between him and the family of St. John, which lived only a few miles from Avranches, in thew parish of St. Jean de Thomas." The same association of the names occurs in many of the early records of Oxfordshire. These St. Johns were of noble origin, ancestors of the St. Johns of Staunton and Rolingbroke Priory of Sussex. Many authorities have stated that a Talmash came with William the Conqueror and that the name is to be found on the Battle Abby Rool. It seems more probable that upon the Conqueror's return to Normandy the year after his invasion, i.e. 1067, he carried with him, among the hostages, one or more members of the family, which would account for the name being found among the monastery records at Avranches. Probably Hugo de Talmash married a St. John and lived on their estate in Normandy before returning to England. If indeed, there was an officer among the Norman invaders by the name of Talmash, as stated by Durant Cooper in "Notes and Queties," he was no doubt closely akin to the Bently Manor people in county Sufflok, and it is therefore not strange that their estates did escape " the rapacious hands of the Conqueror." For more then three hundred years - from the 9th to the 12th century - there is no record of the Talmadge Family, but after the coming of William the Conqueror, monastaries and convents began to record gifts and bequests and to even transact and record land deals for those who held property in the county through which often can be obtained family connections. Sopme years later the Pipe Rolls and Feets&Fines came into existance, and more valuable knowledge can be gleaned from them regarding the genealogy of the early family. We know however, taht not only were the lands at Bently held during this long period of silence, but that property had been acquired by or conferred upon the family in the intarim, both in Oxfordshire and Hampshire. In those days , knighthood and lands, were generally given in recognition of deeds of valor and service rendered to the king on battlefields, either at home or abroad, although titles of nobility were then, as they are now, hereditary.

• m. ABT 1068 in Stoke Talmage, Oxfordshire, England

1. Hugo de Talesmasche, b. ABT 1070 in Stoke Talmage, Oxfordshire, England     d. 1154 in Stoke Talmage, Oxfordshire, England