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Nicolas ap Philip
- Preferred Name: Nicolas ap Philip[1] [2] [3] [4]
- Gender: M
- FSID: GFQL-BWN
- Birth: 1367 in Carmarthenshire, Wales at LATI: N1.8609 LONG: E4.3115 with note: Correction :- The 'Uniteed Kingdom' DID NOT EXIST in 1367 !!!!
- Death: 1393 in Carmarthenshire, Wales at LATI: N1.8609 LONG: E4.3115 with note: GEDCOM data
- Notes:
=== Life Sketch ===
Nicolas Ap Philip (b. 1367, d. date unknown)
Nicolas Ap Philip (son of Philip Ap Elidar Fitz Uryan and Gladys Fras) was born 1367 in Llandeilofawr, Maenordeilo, Carmarthenshire, Wales, and died date unknown in Wales. He married Jonet Verch Gruffudd.
Children of Nicolas Ap Philip and Jonet Verch Gruffudd are:
+Gruffudd Ap Nicolas, b. 1393, Llandeilo Fawr, Maernordeilo, Carmarthenshire, Wales d. 01 Feb 1461, Mortimers Cross, Hereford, England
=== https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/11401702:9289 ===
=== Relationship to N. G. Utting note ===
Nineteenth Great Grandfather : Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great Grandfather
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Preferred Parents:
Father: Philip ap Elidir Ddû, b. 1320 in Carmarthen, Carmarthenshire, Wales d. 1425 in Carmarthen, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Mother: Gwladys ferch Daffyd Fras, b. 1320 in Gwlad Morgan, Wales d. in Wales
Family 1: Jonet verch Gruffudd, b. 1368 in Llangathen, Carmarthenshire, Wales
- m. 1385 in Carmarthenshire, Wales
- m. 1392
- Gruffudd ap Nicolas, b. 1393 in Llandeilo Fawr, Maernordeilo, Carmarthenshire, Wales d. 1 FEB 1461 in Mortimers Cross, Herefordshire, England
Sources:
- Title: Wales. Welsh Medieval Database Primarily Nobility and Gentry lines. Date range: 100s-1900s. Family Search Submission ID: MMDR-CFK
Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:3KHL-JT3;
Page: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:3KHK-145
- Title: Burke, John. 'A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland, Vol IV, 1838
Publication: Name: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=6AtBAQAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false;
Page: (p. 60)
- Title: Legacy NFS Source: Nicholas Ap Phillip Fitz Uryan - birth-name: Nicholas Ap Phillip Fitz Uryan
Author: Ancestry Family Trees, Name: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com. Original data: Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members.;, Ancestry.com, http://www.Ancestry.com, null, Page number: Ancestry Family Trees
Note: birth-name: Nicholas Ap Phillip Fitz Uryan
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- Title: Wales Names, Personal - Patronymic Names - FamilySearch Wiki
Author: FamilySearch Wiki Wales Names, Personal Bibliographic details for Wales Names, Personal Page name: Wales Names, Personal Author: FamilySearch Wiki contributors Publisher: FamilySearch Wiki, . Date of last revision: 20 June 2019 20:19 UTC Date retrieved: 30 March 2020 05:04 UTC Permanent URL: https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Wales_Names,_Personal&oldid=3626033 Page Version ID: 3626033
Publication: Name: https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Wales_Names,_Personal&oldid=3626033;
Note: Patronymic Names
Before record keeping began, most people only had a first name. As the population increased, people began adding descriptive information, such as John "the smith," to a person’s name to distinguish him or her from others with the same name. At first, a surname applied only to one person and not to the whole family.
Patronymic surnames are based on the father’s given name. Generally, ap or ab was added between the child’s name and the father’s name. For example, David ab Owen is David "son of" Owen. For a woman’s name, the word ferch or verch (often abbreviated to vch), meaning "daughter of", was used. There were many exceptions to this:
The family could drop the 'ab' or 'ap'. In this case, his name would have been simply David Owen.
The family could drop the 'a' and attach the remaining 'p' or 'b' to the father’s name. For example, 'David ab Owen' could have been 'David Bowen'.
In dealing with patronymic names, remember:
The absence of 'ap' or 'ab' does not mean the family adopted a permanent surname. In south Wales particularly, patronymic surnames appeared without the 'ap' or 'ab'.
Different naming patterns were often used in the same family. For example, Harry John’s six sons were named Griffith ap Harry, John Parry, Harry Griffith, Richard Parry, Miles ap Harry, and Thomas Parry. They might equally have used the surname John(s) or Jones.
An illegitimate child may have used the given or surname of the reputed father, the surname of the mother, or the given or surname of the family who raised the child.
Some families used patronymics after adopting a permanent surname. Never assume that a surname is a permanent surname.
The father’s given name may be spelled differently as a surname even though it is pronounced the same (for example, Davies from David).
The name may have been anglicized.
Patronymic surnames changed with each generation.
A widow may have reverted to using her maiden surname.
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