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Jonet verch Gruffudd
- Preferred Name: Jonet verch Gruffudd[1] [2] [3]
- Alternate Name: Ap Phillip Thomas
- Alternate Name: Jenet Voythus
- Gender: F
- Christening: in Wales at LATI: N2.3302 LONG: E3.7664
- Death: Y
- FSID: GDK8-8VN
- Birth: 1368 in Llangathen, Carmarthenshire, Wales at LATI: N1.8843 LONG: E4.0648 with note: The UNITED KINGDON Did Not Exist !
- Notes:
=== Relationship to N. G. Utting note ===
Nineteenth Great Grandmother : Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great Grandmother
=== Leigh.org ===
JONET’S marriage to NICHOLAS was recorded by Ieuan Brechfa in Peniarth 131 c.1500, by Thomas ap Ieuan ap Deicws in Peniarth 127 c.1510-23, and by Gruffudd Hiraethog in Peniarth 132 and 133, and it is given in Bartrum’s Elystan Glodrydd 54. Besides the pedigrees, this marriage was also historically documented because Griffiths found a reference to JONET’s son GRUFFUDD with his two sons OWAIN and Thomas and their "kinsman Rhydderch ap Rhys" (PRO E28/83/63, 64,37 cited in Sir Rhys, p.22). This kinsman was GRUFFUDD’s cousin on his mother’s side, i.e. JONET’s nephew, son of her brother RHYS. Thus, this marriage is confirmed. JONET’s second marriage to someone outside our family lines, perhaps as a very young widow, was recorded by Gruffudd Hiraethog in Peniarth 134. JONET was one of the three children in our ancestry from 1288.GRUFFUDD, who has no.1506 in her line.
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Preferred Parents:
Father: Gruffydd ap Gwilym of Penrhyn, b. 1322 in Penrhyn by Conway, Caernarfonshire, Wales d. 1405 in Penrhyn by Conway, Caernarfonshire, Wales
Mother: Generys ferch Madog, b. 1326 in Penrhyn Castle, Caernarfonshire, Wales d. 1358
Family 1: Tudur ap Dafydd Fychan, b. ABT 1282 in Wales
Family 2: Nicolas ap Philip, b. 1367 in Carmarthenshire, Wales d. 1393 in Carmarthenshire, Wales
- m. 1385 in Carmarthenshire, Wales
- m. 1392
- Gruffudd ap Nicolas, b. 1393 in Llandeilo Fawr, Maernordeilo, Carmarthenshire, Wales d. 1 FEB 1461 in Mortimers Cross, Herefordshire, England
Sources:
- Title: Wales. Welsh Medieval Database Primarily Nobility and Gentry lines. Date range: 100s-1900s. Family Search Submission ID: MMDR-CFK
Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:3KHL-JT3;
Page: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:3KH2-SVL
- Title: Burke, John. 'A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland, Vol IV, 1838
Publication: Name: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=6AtBAQAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false;
Page: (p. 60)
- Title: Wales Names, Personal - Patronymic Names - FamilySearch Wiki
Author: FamilySearch Wiki Wales Names, Personal Bibliographic details for Wales Names, Personal Page name: Wales Names, Personal Author: FamilySearch Wiki contributors Publisher: FamilySearch Wiki, . Date of last revision: 20 June 2019 20:19 UTC Date retrieved: 30 March 2020 05:04 UTC Permanent URL: https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Wales_Names,_Personal&oldid=3626033 Page Version ID: 3626033
Publication: Name: https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Wales_Names,_Personal&oldid=3626033;
Note: Patronymic Names
Before record keeping began, most people only had a first name. As the population increased, people began adding descriptive information, such as John "the smith," to a person’s name to distinguish him or her from others with the same name. At first, a surname applied only to one person and not to the whole family.
Patronymic surnames are based on the father’s given name. Generally, ap or ab was added between the child’s name and the father’s name. For example, David ab Owen is David "son of" Owen. For a woman’s name, the word ferch or verch (often abbreviated to vch), meaning "daughter of", was used. There were many exceptions to this:
The family could drop the 'ab' or 'ap'. In this case, his name would have been simply David Owen.
The family could drop the 'a' and attach the remaining 'p' or 'b' to the father’s name. For example, 'David ab Owen' could have been 'David Bowen'.
In dealing with patronymic names, remember:
The absence of 'ap' or 'ab' does not mean the family adopted a permanent surname. In south Wales particularly, patronymic surnames appeared without the 'ap' or 'ab'.
Different naming patterns were often used in the same family. For example, Harry John’s six sons were named Griffith ap Harry, John Parry, Harry Griffith, Richard Parry, Miles ap Harry, and Thomas Parry. They might equally have used the surname John(s) or Jones.
An illegitimate child may have used the given or surname of the reputed father, the surname of the mother, or the given or surname of the family who raised the child.
Some families used patronymics after adopting a permanent surname. Never assume that a surname is a permanent surname.
The father’s given name may be spelled differently as a surname even though it is pronounced the same (for example, Davies from David).
The name may have been anglicized.
Patronymic surnames changed with each generation.
A widow may have reverted to using her maiden surname.
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