Payne De Turberville II

• Preferred Name: Payne De Turberville II^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9]}
  
• Alternate Name: Payne Turberville
  
• Alternate Name: Payn
  
• Alternate Name: Pain
  
• Alternate Name: Payne de Tuberville
  
• Gender: M
  
• Occupation: Sheriff of Glamorgan
  
• Land: 18 SEP 1314 with note: Description: Payne held the Castle and Manor of Coytif, with royal liberty, by serjeantry of hunting
  
• Title (Nobility): with note: Description: Sir Knight
  
• FSID: 273W-G2X
  
• Death: 18 JAN 1318 in Coity Castle, Glamorgan, Wales at LATI: N1.4991 LONG: E3.5767
  
• Title (Nobility): with note: Description: 1st Lord of Glamorgan
  
• Title (Nobility): with note: Description: Baron of Turberville
  
• Fact: 18 SEP 1314 with note: Description: Payne held in Newcastle a tenth part of a Knight's fee
  
• Fact: ABT 1316 with note: Description: Charter of Payne de Turberville, Lord of Coytif, son and heir of Lord Richard De Turberville
  
• Birth: 1265 in Coity, Glamorgan, Wales at LATI: N1.4991 LONG: E3.5767
  
• Title (Nobility): with note: Description: Lord of Coity
  
• Burial: AFT 18 JAN 1318 in Coity, Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  “Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
  “SARAH DE BEAUCHAMP, married 7 Jan. 1268/9 (date of her father's will) RICHARD TALBOT (or TALEBOT), of Eccleswall (in Linton), Credenhill, Linton, and Weston, Herefordshire, Sheriff of Gloucester, 1299-1301, son and heir of Gilbert Talbot, of Eccleswall, Herefordshire, by Gwenthlian, daughter of Rhys Mechyll, of Dynevor, South Wales. He was born about 1250. They had three sons, Gilbert, Knt [1st Lord Talbot], Richard, and Thomas [Rector of Credenhill, Herefordshire], and two daughters, Gwenllian (wife of Pain de Turberville, Knt.) and Joan. He served in Wales and Gascony under King Edward I. He presented to the church of Credenhill, Herefordshire in 1301. RICHARD TALBOT died about 3 Sept. 1306. His widow, Sarah, was living in July 1317.
  Brydges Collins' Peerage of England 3 (1812): 1-49 (sub Talbot, Earl of Shrewsbury). Duncumb et al. Colls. Towards the Hist. & Antiqs. of Hereford 2(1) (1812): 376-383. Nicolas Testamenta Vetusta 1(1826): 50-51 (will of William de Beauchamp). Baker Hist. & Antiqs. of Northampton 2 (1836-41): 218-219 (Beauchamp ped.). Capes Reg. Ricardi de Swinfield, Episcopi Herefordensis 1283-1317 ( Canterbury & York Soc. 6) (1909): 533. Clark Carter et Alia Munimenta de Glamorgancia 3(1910): 1032-1034. Williams Llyfr Baglan (1910): 276-277 (Turberville ped.). Bradney Hist. of Monmouthshire 4(2) (1932): 266-267 (Gamage ped.). C.P. 12(1):609-610 (1953) (in a papal dispensation dated 1 August 1320, Thomas Talbot, priest, younger brother of Gilbert, is described as kinsman of the late Guy, Earl of Warwick, who had nominated him to the rectory of Tanworth, co. Warwick, about Dec. 1307). Dictionary Welsh Biog. (1959): 988 (sub Turberville). Mason Beauchamp Cartulary Charters (Pipe Roll Soc. n.s. 43) (1980): lviij (Beauchamp ped.). National Archives, SC 8/75/3711 (available at www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp).
  Children of Richard Talbot, by Sarah de Beauchamp:
  i. GILBERT TALBOT, Knt., 1st Lord Talbot [see next].
  ii. RICHARD TALBOT, of Richard's Castle, Herefordshire, married JOAN DE MORTIMER [see RICHARD'S CASTLE 5].
  iii. JOAN TALBOT, married JOHN DE CAREW, Knt., of Carew, Pembrokeshire [see BRYAN 10]."
  
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  Payne Turberville inherited the manor and castle of Coity from his father Sir Richard Turberville. The Coity inheritance passed, after the death of Payne, to his eldest son Gilbert and, on the death of Gilbert's son without issue, to Richard Turberville, the second son of Payne. Richard Turberville also died without issue having settled the Coity inheritance on the male heirs of his sisters Katherine (wife of Roger Berkerolles), Margaret (wife of Richard Stackpole), Agnes (wife of John de la Bere), Sarah (wife of William Gamage) and another sister, name unknown (the wife of John Flemming). On Richard's death the inheritance was claimed by Laurence Berkerolles the son of Roger and Katherine. On the death of Laurence Berkerolles, without issue, in 1414 there was much confusion over who should inherit, with descendents of Berkerolles, Stackpole, de la Bere and Gamage all in contention. Eventually the manor and castle were settled on a descendent of Sarah Gamage.
  
  Additional information can be found at:
  https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Turberville-34
  
  === Held The Castle Of Coyty. This ancient a ===
  Held The Castle Of Coyty. This ancient and powerful and knightlyfamily,the most powerful of all the Normans who settled in thatcounty, and wereprevious to their advent in that county Lordsof Crickhowell.Sir Payne DETuberville was one of the 12 knightwho accompanied Sir Robert FitzHamonto the sid of Jestin ApGwrgant, King of Glamorgan, turning his forcesagainst Jestinand conquering the whole dominion. Payne Tuberville wasallotedthe Castle and lodship of Coyty, and he confirmed is rightbymarrying the heiress of the last possessor, a descandant ofJestin.
  
  === Sheriff of Glamorgan in 1315.
  Payne Tube ===
  Sheriff of Glamorgan in 1315.
  Payne Tuberville died about 1318 in his prime, leaving Gwenllian Talbot as his executrix. Their eldest son Sir Gilbert died by 1344, leaving one son and heir, also named Gilbert, who died in 1349 without issue, his heir being his uncle Richard, aged 40. It seems the elder Gilbert was the first child, Richard the youngest. Richard succeeded to Coyty, and enfeoffed the manor and lands, receiving them back to himself and his wife Hawise, with remainder to the various male heirs of his sisters.
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  Sir Pain Turberville, knt of Coyty Castle, m Gwenllian, daughter of Sir Richard Talbot, knt and left issue,
  
  Gilbert (Sir), knt. of Coyty Castle
  Richard (Sir), successor to his hephew as lord of Coyty Castle
  Catherine, m to Sir Roger Berkroulls, knt.
  Margaret, m. to Sir Richard Stackpole, knt.
  Agnes, m. to Sir John de la Bere, knt
  Sarah, m. to Sir William Gamage, knt, who became lord of Coyty.
  [Burkes Commoners IV:653]
  
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  Payn III, son of Richard, succeeded and m Wenllian, daughter of Sir Richard Talbot, or Richards Castle. He was 'custos' of Glamorgan in 1315, and changed many of the officials, among them Llywelyn Bren (Llywelyn ap Gruffydd) of Eglwysilan. The enmity thus aroused was the chief cause of Llywelyn Bren's rebellion. [Dictionary of Welsh Biography p988]
  
  === Sir Payne de Turbeville, who was 7th in ===
  Sir Payne de Turbeville, who was 7th in line from Sir Pain de Turbeville, who was Lord of Coyty in Glamorganshire, Wales. This ancient and powerful and knightly family, the most powerful of all the Normans who settled in that county, and were previous to their advent in that county Lords of Crickhowell in County Brecknock, which they obtained at the Conquest of Brecknock from Sir Bernard Newmarch, the Norman knight, who in the reign of William Rufus, and won that lordship from the then possessor Bleddyn, a Welsh Prince. Sir Pain de Turberville I was one of the twelve knights who accompanied Sir Robert Fitzhamon to the aid of Jestin ap Gwrgant, King of Glamorgan, against Rhese, Prince of South Wales, about the year 1090. Subsequently on the death of Rhese, Fitzhamon, turning his forces against Jestin, and conquering his whole dominion, he divided it amongst his eleven knights, and their followers. To the share of Sir Pain Turberville was allotted the Castle and lordship of Coyty, and he confirmed his right by marrying the heiress of the last possessor, a descendant of Jestin. Sir Pain is said to deny homage to Sir Robert FitzHamon, chief over the other knights, because he had married Sara, daughter to Morgan Meyrich, which was the rightful heir. Gwenllian Talbot and Sir Payne de Turberville had Gilbert, his successor, Richard, Catherine, Margaret, Agnes and Sarah.
  
  === Lords of Crug Howell Brecknockshire ===
  Lords of Crug Howell Brecknockshire

• m. 1305 in Coyty, Glamorganshire, Wales
• m. 1287 in Richard's Castle, Ludlow, Herefordshire, England

1. Margred de Turberville, b. 1312 in Coity Castle, Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales     d. 1400 in Turberville, Wales
2. Agnes Turberville, b. ABT 1300 in Coity, Glamorgan, Wales     d. DEC 1360 in Stretford, Herefordshire, England
3. Catherine De Tuberville, b. 1294 in Coity, Glamorgan, Wales     d. 1357 in Glamorgan, Wales

1. Title: History and Photos of Coity Castle
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2. Title: fabpedigree.com - Payne de Tuberville Knight
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3. Title: Payne de Turberville in Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors
   Author: https://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p484.htm#i14547 index to pedigrees [citations]
   Publication: Name: https://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p484.htm#i14547;
   Note: Sir Payne de Turberville, Sheriff of Glamorganshire [1,2,3,4] Last Edited 4 Apr 2020 M, #14547, d. between 1315 and 1318 Father Sir Richard de Turberville b. c 1235, d. 1283 Mother Agnes Wilcock Sir Payne de Turberville, Sheriff of Glamorganshire was born at of Coyty, Glamorganshire, Wales. He married Wenllian Talbot, daughter of Richard Talbot, Sheriff of Gloucester and Sarah Beauchamp. [2,4] Sir Payne de Turberville, Sheriff of Glamorganshire died between 1315 and 1318. Family: Wenllian Talbot Children: Jenkin Turberville+ Sarah Turberville+ Agnes Turberville+ Margaret Turberville+ Katharine Turberville+ [3] Sir Gilbert de Turberville [2,4] b. c 1315, d. c 29 Aug 1347 Citations: 1. [S3895] The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, by Ronny O. Bodine, p. 72; Wallop Family, p. 779; Stemmata Robertson, p. 138. 2. [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 107. 3. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. III, p. 72. 4. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 611-612.
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4. Title: Pain de Turberville, "Find A Grave Index"
   Author: "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVGN-F6HW : 10 May 2023), Pain de Turberville, ; Burial, Coity, , Bridgend, Wales, Coity Church of St Mary; citing record ID 119720624, Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.
   Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVGN-F6HW;
   Note: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/119720624/pain-de_turberville Sir Pain de Turberville BIRTH unknown DEATH 1318 BURIAL Coity Church of St Mary Coity, Bridgend, Wales MEMORIAL ID 119720624 Spouse: Gwenllian Talbot de Turberville
   
5. Title: Dictionary of Welsh Biography: TURBERVILLE family of Coity, Glam
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6. Title: Twelve Knights of Glamorgan -Wikipedia
   Publication: Name: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Knights_of_Glamorgan;
   
7. Title: Coity Castle
   Publication: Name: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coity_Castle;
   
8. Title: Lordship of Glamorgan
   Publication: Name: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lordship_of_Glamorgan;
   
9. Title: Book - Blood of Avalon
   Author: Google Books