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Joan de Mortimer
- Preferred Name: Joan de Mortimer[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]
- Gender: F
- Religion: Nun
- Death: BEF DEC 1351 in Wigmore, Herefordshire, England at LATI: N2.3161 LONG: E2.861 with note: Wikipedia
- FSID: L4SX-76T
- LDS+Endowment: 20 OCT 1926 with note: Family Group Archive
- LDS+Sealing: 14 AUG 1959 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, United States at LATI: N0.7608 LONG: E111.8903 with note: Description: Parents
Family Group Archival record
- Birth: 1315 in Wigmore, Herefordshire, England at LATI: N2.3161 LONG: E2.861 with note: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Mortimer,_1st_Earl_of_March. Find A Grave.
- Notes:
=== ! ! ! !!Plantagenet Ancestry and LDS Boo ===
! ! ! !!Plantagenet Ancestry and LDS Book on Royalty ! ! ! ! ! !LDS Family History Library Rogers Arkansas Plantagenet Royalty Ancestry Book LDS Royal Ancestors Pedigrees of some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants by J. Orton Buck and Timothy Field Beard
=== !Ancestral Roots by Weis, Seventh Editio ===
!Ancestral Roots by Weis, Seventh Edition L 27-32
=== My PAF Notes ===
from thepeerage.com, 7/2009:
Joan Mortimer1
F, #47256, d. between 1337 and 1351
Joan Mortimer|d. bt 1337 - 1351|p4726.htm#i47256|Roger de Mortimer, 1st Earl of March|b. 1287\nd. 1330|p10697.htm#i106962|Joan de Geneville, Baroness Geneville||p10297.htm#i102965|Edmund de Mortimer, 1st Lord Mortimer|b. bt 1270 - 1275\nd. 1304|p10255.htm#i102549||||Sir Piers de Geneville||p10697.htm#i106964||||
Last Edited=22 May 2004
Joan Mortimer was the daughter of Roger de Mortimer, 1st Earl of March and Joan de Geneville, Baroness Geneville .1 She married James Audley, 2nd Lord Audley (of Heleigh) , son of Nicholas Audley, 1st Lord Audley (of Heleigh) and Joan Martin , before 13 June 1330.1 She died between 1337 and 1351.1
From before 13 June 1330, her married name became Audley.1
Children of Joan Mortimer and James Audley, 2nd Lord Audley (of Heleigh)
Joan Audley + 2
Sir Nicholas Audley, 3rd Lord Audley (of Heleigh) b. c 1328, d. 22 Jul 13912
Roger Audley b. a 13282
Margery Audley b. b 1351, d. 1410/112
Citations
[S6 ] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume I, page 339. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.
[S6 ] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume I, page 340.
=== SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 S ===
SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 SO68) P.48, 52; LLYFR BAGLAN P.118; VIVIAN VISITATION OF DEVONSHIRE P.194; DUGDALE'S BARONTAGE VOL 1 P.248-250, 746; ANCESTRAL FILE, LDS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY;
=== !BIR-DEA: Bk, Medieval Knight by Stephen ===
!BIR-DEA: Bk, Medieval Knight by Stephen Turnbull.
=== Source: [1] Weis, Sheppard, Beal, The Ma ===
Source: [1] Weis, Sheppard, Beal, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215, 5th Ed., Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, [1999], 12-7 p. 14, [2] George Arthur Davis, Descent from a Hundred Kings, (Bryant Press, Portland, ME, 1964).
from thepeerage.com, 7/2009:
Joan Mortimer1
F, #47256, d. between 1337 and 1351
Joan Mortimer|d. bt 1337 - 1351|p4726.htm#i47256|Roger de Mortimer, 1st Earl of March|b. 1287\nd. 1330|p10697.htm#i106962|Joan de Geneville, Baroness Geneville||p10297.htm#i102965|Edmund de Mortimer, 1st Lord Mortimer|b. bt 1270 - 1275\nd. 1304|p10255.htm#i102549||||Sir Piers de Geneville||p10697.htm#i106964||||
Last Edited=22 May 2004
Joan Mortimer was the daughter of Roger de Mortimer, 1st Earl of March and Joan de Geneville, Baroness Geneville .1 She married James Audley, 2nd Lord Audley (of Heleigh) , son of Nicholas Audley, 1st Lord Audley (of Heleigh) and Joan Martin , before 13 June 1330.1 She died between 1337 and 1351.1
From before 13 June 1330, her married name became Audley.1
Children of Joan Mortimer and James Audley, 2nd Lord Audley (of Heleigh)
Joan Audley + 2
Sir Nicholas Audley, 3rd Lord Audley (of Heleigh) b. c 1328, d. 22 Jul 13912
Roger Audley b. a 13282
Margery Audley b. b 1351, d. 1410/112
Citations
[S6 ] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume I, page 339. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.
[S6 ] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume I, page 340.
!Ancestral Roots by Weis, Seventh Edition L 27-32
Burkes Peerage and Baronetage p 136 dau of 1st Earl of March
SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 SO68) P.48, 52; LLYFR BAGLAN P.118; VIVIAN VISITATION OF DEVONSHIRE P.194; DUGDALE'S BARONTAGE VOL 1 P.248-250, 746; ANCESTRAL FILE, LDS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY;
!BIR-DEA: Bk, Medieval Knight by Stephen Turnbull.
! ! ! !!Plantagenet Ancestry and LDS Book on Royalty ! ! ! ! ! !LDS Family History Library Rogers Arkansas Plantagenet Royalty Ancestry Book LDS Royal Ancestors Pedigrees of some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants by J. Orton Buck and Timothy Field Beard
r. JOAN DE MORTIMER, d. 1337/51; m. bef. 13 Jun. 1336, as 1st wife, SIR JAMES AUDLEY, K.G. (122-33), 2nd Lord Audley, of Redcastle, Shropshire, b. Knesale, Notts., 8 Jan. 1312/3, d. 1 Apr. 1386, will dated 1385; fought at Poitiers, M.P. 1331-86, son of Nicholas, 1st Lord Audley of Heleigh, and Joane, dau. of William Martin, Lord Martin (by Eleanor, dau. SIR REYNOLD FITZ PIERS (262-30), wid. of Henry de Lacy, Earl of Lincoln. Sir James Audley m. (2) by 1351, Isabel, living 1366, said ato be dau. of Roger, 5th Lord Strange of Knockyn. Issue by both wives. [Weis "60 Colonists" line 71-33, p. 76.]
=== r. JOAN DE MORTIMER, d. 1337/51; m. bef. ===
r. JOAN DE MORTIMER, d. 1337/51; m. bef. 13 Jun. 1336, as 1st wife, SIR JAMES AUDLEY, K.G. (122-33), 2nd Lord Audley, of Redcastle, Shropshire, b. Knesale, Notts., 8 Jan. 1312/3, d. 1 Apr. 1386, will dated 1385; fought at Poitiers, M.P. 1331-86, son of Nicholas, 1st Lord Audley of Heleigh, and Joane, dau. of William Martin, Lord Martin (by Eleanor, dau. SIR REYNOLD FITZ PIERS (262-30), wid. of Henry de Lacy, Earl of Lincoln. Sir James Audley m. (2) by 1351, Isabel, living 1366, said ato be dau. of Roger, 5th Lord Strange of Knockyn. Issue by both wives. [Weis "60 Colonists" line 71-33, p. 76.]
=== Source: [1] Weis, Sheppard, Beal, The Ma ===
Source: [1] Weis, Sheppard, Beal, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215, 5th Ed., Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, [1999], 12-7 p. 14, [2] George Arthur Davis, Descent from a Hundred Kings, (Bryant Press, Portland, ME, 1964).
=== Burkes Peerage and Baronetage p 136 dau ===
Burkes Peerage and Baronetage p 136 dau of 1st Earl of March
Preferred Parents:
Father: Roger de Mortimer, b. 25 APR 1287 in Wigmore Castle, Herefordshire, England d. 29 NOV 1330 in Tyburn Elms, London, England
Mother: Joan de Geneville, b. 2 FEB 1286 in Ludlow Castle, Shropshire, England d. 19 OCT 1356 in King's Stanley, Gloucestershire, England
Family 1: James Audley, b. 3 JAN 1315/16 d. 1 APR 1386 in Heighley Castle, Staffordshire, England
- m. BEF 13 JUN 1330 in England
- Joan de Audley, b. 1332 in Heighley, Staffordshire, England d. 1392 in Rochele, Derbyshire, England
Family 2: Thomas Lovett, b. in Rushton, Northamptonshire, England d. 1361
Sources:
- Title: British History Online
- Title: Roger V de Mortimer, Earl of March, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL2.htm#RogerMortimerdied1330B [See document in the Memories section]
Note: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL2.htm#RogerMortimerdied1330B
Page: Roger V de Mortimer, Earl of March, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL2.htm#RogerMortimerdied1330B [See document in the Memories section]
- Title: James Audley of Heleigh, Staffordshire, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3.htm#JamesAudleydied1386 [See document in the Memories section]
Publication: Name: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3.htm#JamesAudleydied1386;
Note: James Audley of Heleigh, Staffordshire, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3.htm#JamesAudleydied1386 [See document in the Memories section]
Page: James Audley of Heleigh, Staffordshire, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3.htm#JamesAudleydied1386 [See document in the Memories section]
- Title: Book - Ancestral Roots
- Title: Appendix I of "Ancestors and Descendants of John Price: Immigrant to Virginia: 1610-11"
Note: Although the book is compiled by Vina Chandler Price, Appendix I was included at the request of Mrs. Margaret Scruggs Carruth, and was researched by Miss Kett and by Mr. H. E. Forrest (after the death of Miss Kett, which took before 1930). Both Miss Kett and Mr. Forrest were reputed to be professional genealogists. Mr Forrest is also referred to as the "Antiquarian Editor" of the Shrewsbury Chronicle
I looked H. E. Forrest online and found that he is also the editor of the following books:
--"Shrewsbury Burgess Roll", published in 1924 by the Shrewsbury and Shropshire Archaeological and Parish Register Society
--"The old Churches of Shrewsbury: Their History, Architecture and Associations", published in 1920 by Shrewsbury, Wilding & Son
--"Some Old Shropshire Houses and their Owners: Braggington (with a plate), Dinthill, Whitley, & Play-Y-Court", published in 1915 by Shropshire Archaeological & Natural History Society.
Margaret Scruggs Carruth is a charter member of "Daughters of the Barons of Runnemede". She served as Registrar when it was first organized, and is listed as member #22. To be eligible for membership, a person must descend from one or more of the Barons of Runnemede. The Barons forced King John to agree to the Magna Carta, a charter constituting a fundamental guarantee of rights and privileges. Mrs. Scruggs claims eligibility for membership through John Price who supposedly descended from eleven of the Barons.
Appendix I provides two different lineages. One is from Robert Fitzwalter (who was one of the Barons of Runnemede) to John Price (born 1584-5), and the titular character of this book. The 2nd is from Elystan Glodrydd app Cyhelin ap Ifor (933-1010) (who was Prince of Ferlllys and founder of the Fourth Royal Tribe of Wales) back to the same John Price.
Page: On pg. 516, Joane Mortimer is identified as: the daughter of Roger de Mortimer (Earl of March) and wife Joane (daughter of Peter Geneville)); the wife of James 4th Lord Audley (8th Gen); and the mother of Joane d'Audley (9th Gen).
- Title: James Audley, 2nd Baron Audley. Wikipedia
Author: link from Roger Mortimer, 1st Earl of March. Wikipedia
Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Audley,_2nd_Baron_Audley;
Note: James Audley married twice. His first marriage, before 13 June 1330, was to Joan Mortimer, daughter of Roger Mortimer, 1st Earl of March by his wife Joan de Geneville, 2nd Baroness Geneville. By Joan he had four children:
Their eldest son, Nicholas, succeeded his father in the title, becoming Nicholas Audley, 3rd Baron Audley (c.1328–1391) – he married Elizabeth Beaumont, a daughter of Henry de Beaumont, 4th Earl of Buchan, but died without legitimate issue whereupon his title became abeyant[2]
Their second son Roger predeceased his father.[3]
Joan (1331–1393), their first daughter, married Sir John Tuchet (1327–1371)[2]. Upon Nicholas' death, she became co-heiress to his lands and title. In 1403, her son, John (Nicholas's nephew) was acknowledged as having a 1/3 share in the lands of the barony. In 1408, the abeyance of title was terminated in John's favour, and he thus succeeded to Nicholas' titles[2]
Margaret (born pre-1351, died 1410/11), their second daughter, who married Sir Roger Hillary.[4]
Page: provide a source for marriage and children... After the death of his first wife, Audley married before December 1351
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