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Gilles de Sully de Beaugency III
- Preferred Name: Gilles de Sully de Beaugency III[1] [2] [3]
- Alternate Name: Gilon II or Gilles de Sully II
- Gender: M
- Death: 9 OCT 1189 in Sully-sur-Loire, Orléans, Loiret, Centre, France at LATI: N7.695 LONG: E0.3609
- Birth: environ 1138 in Sully-sur-Loire, Loiret, Centre-Val-de-Loire, France at LATI: N7.7617 LONG: E0.3718
- http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: seigneur de Sully in Sully-sur-Loire, Loiret, Centre-Val de Loire, France at LATI: N7.7617 LONG: E0.3718
- Occupation: Seigneur de SullyBET 1131 AND 1189
- FSID: GQCL-PZ7
- Notes:
=== Life Sketch ===
Foundation for Medieval Genealogy
GILLES [III] de Sully, son of EUDES [Archambaud] Seigneur de Sully & his wife Mathilde de Baugency (-[1195]). He succeeded his father [after 1162] as Seigneur de Sully. "Gilo dominus Soliaci, habens guerram cum Johanne fratre suo" blocked access to the castle for the monks of Saint-Gondon sur Loire by charter dated 1172, "Radulpho priore Caritatis fratre suo" arranging another access[801]. A charter dated 1194 records an agreement between “dominum Gilonem de Soliaco…[et] Odonem filium predicti Gilonis” and the monks of La Charité-sur-Loire, which also names “dominus Archambaldus avus suus”, witnessed by “Archimbaudus de Soliaco”[802].
m LUCE de Charenton, daughter of EBLES [III] Seigneur de Charenton & his wife --- (-after 1195). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to the wife of "Egidii de Solleiro" as "sorore Ebonis de Charenton" but does not name her[803]. The primary source which confirms her name has not yet been identified.
Gilles [III] & his wife had five children:
1. ARCHAMBAUD [IV] de Sully (-10 Feb after 1234). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "archiepiscopum…Symonem et Erchenbaldum patrem Henrici de Solleio" as sons of "Egidii de Solleiro" & his wife[804]. Seigneur de Sully. “Archembaudus de Soliaco” enfranchised “castellum meum de Capella” by charter dated 1212[805]. “Arcambaudus de Soliaco” and the monks of Saint-Sulpice-lez-Bourges reached agreement about the customs of la Chapelle Damgillon by charter dated Jun 1229[806]. The necrology of La Cour-Dieu records the death “IV Id Feb” of “Archambaudus de Soliaco”[807]. m firstly ALIX, daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified. m secondly MARGUERITE, daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified. m thirdly ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified. As noted below, the charter dated 30 Nov 1269, quoted below, raises the possibility that the mother of Archambaud [IV]’s son Jean was related to the Mello family. Archambaud & his [first/second/third] wife had four children:
a) HENRI [I] de Sully (-after 1248). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Erchenbaldum patrem Henrici de Solleio"[808]. He succeeded his father [after 1234] as Seigneur de Sully. Seigneur de Dreux, by right of his second wife.
- see below.
b) JEAN de Sully (-30 Mar 1273). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. Archbishop of Bourges 1260. "Johannes...Bituricensis archiepiscopus, Aquitanie primus" attested that “consanguinea nostra Isabellis de Melloto” had given a sum of money to “domino Droconi de Melloto fratri suo” which “G...Autissiod. episcopus patruus suus” held in deposit, by charter dated 30 Nov 1269[809]. The precise relationship between Jean de Sully and the Mello family has not been ascertained, but it could have been through Jean’s mother whose parentage is not known. The necrology of Chartres cathedral records the death "III Kal Apr" of "J[ohannis] de Soliaco, de nobili prosapia Johannis quondam regis Jherosolimitani et dominorum de Borbonio ortus, quondam archiepiscopi Bituricensis"[810]. While it is chronologically unlikely that Jean de Brienne King of Jerusalem was the direct ancestor of Archbishop Jean, it is possible that the latter's mother was Jean de Brienne's relative. The connection with the Bourbon family is through Jean's paternal grandmother who was the granddaughter of Archambaud [VII] Seigneur de Bourbon. The necrology of Chartres cathedral records the death "III Kal Apr" of "J[ohannis] de Soliaco de nobili prosapia Johannis quondam regis Jherosolimitani et dominorum de Borbonio ortus, quondam archiepiscopi Bituricensis”[811].
c) GUILLAUME de Sully (-after Nov 1225). “Simon...Bituricensis archiepiscopus” confirmed an agreement between “nepotes nostros Henricum Soliacum dominum et Guillelmum fratrem suum” relating to “terram de Argento et de Climon, ratione portionis hereditariæ paternæ”, naming “frater noster pater eius Archembaudus de Solaico”, by charter dated Nov 1225[812]. Seigneur d'Argen.
d) GUY de Sully (-5 Mar 1280, bur eglise des Jacobins de Bourges). The necrology of Chartres cathedral records that "Guido frater eius de ordine fratrum Predicatorum" succeeded "J[ohannis] de Soliaco…quondam archiepiscopi Bituricensis" as Archbishop[813]. Archbishop of Bourges 1273.
2. SIMON de Sully (-8 Jul 1232, bur Bourges Cathedral). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records the appointment of "Symon cantor Bituricensis frater Erchenbaldi de Soilliaco super Ligerium" as Archbishop of Bourges in 1217[814]. Archbishop of Bourges 1218. The Chronicon Lemovicensi S. Martini records that "Simon cantor Bituricensis, de genere de Soler, nepos Henrici quondam Bituricensis archiepiscopi" was appointed archbishop of Bourges in 1218[815]. “Simon...Bituricensis archiepiscopus” confirmed an agreement between “nepotes nostros Henricum Soliacum dominum et Guillelmum fratrem suum” relating to “terram de Argento et de Climon, ratione portionis hereditariæ paternæ”, naming “frater noster pater eius Archembaudus de Solaico”, by charter dated Nov 1225[816]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records in 1232, after the death of “archiepiscopo Symone Bituricensi”, the choice of “post aliquas electiones...magister Petrus de Castro Radulfi”[817].
3. PHILIPPE de Sully . The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. La Thaumassière names “Philippes de Seuly chantre de l’église de Bourges” as the third son of “Gilon Sire de Seuly” and his wife but cites no source on which the information is based[818]. Canon at Bourges.
4. BERNARD de Sully (-6 Jan 1246). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. La Thaumassière names “Bernard de Seuly évêque d’Auxerre mort le 6 janvier 1247” as the fourth son of “Gilon Sire de Seuly” and his wife but cites no source on which the information is based[819]. Bishop of Auxerre . The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records the death in 1233 of “episcopus Heinricus Autisiodorensis” and the succession of “eiusdem ecclesie decanus Bernardus”[820].
5. EUDES [I] de Sully (-[1218]). A charter dated 1194 records an agreement between “dominum Gilonem de Soliaco…[et] Odonem filium predicti Gilonis” and the monks of La Charité-sur-Loire, which also names “dominus Archambaldus avus suus”, witnessed by “Archimbaudus de Soliaco”[821]. Seigneur de Beaujeu [en Berry]. m ELEONORE de Monfaucon Dame d'Erry, daughter of EUDES de Monfaucon Seigneur d'Erry & his wife Sarah d’Ervy (-1250, bur Font-Morigny). The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. La Thaumassière names “Regnaud S. de Montfaucon, Aenor de Montfaucon mariée à Eudes de Seuly S. de Beaujeu” as the children of “Eudes S. de Montfaucon” and his wife but cites no source on which the information is based[822]. Père Anselme records her testament dated 1247, in which she chose burial at Font-Morigny[823]. Eudes [I] & his wife had children:
a) EUDES [II] de Sully (-before 1258). Seigneur de Beaujeu [en Berry], de la Chapelotte, de Blet et d’Erry. m SEDILIE de Culant, daughter of RENOUL [III] Seigneur de Culant et de Châteauneuf & his wife Sédilie --- (-before 1258). Eudes [II] & his wife had children:
i) EUDES [III] de Sully (-after 1284). Seigneur de Beaujeu [en Berry], d’Erry, de Sancergues, de la Motte, de la Cordille et de la Grange. m MARGUERITE de Milly, daughter of GEOFFROY Seigneur de Milly & his second wife Eléonore --- (-[1286]).
- SEIGNEURS de BEAUJEU-en-Berry[824].
ii) FRANÇOISE de Sully (-Sep 1329). A charter dated [1/7] Oct 1331 records reimbursement to [her husband’s named Courtenay great-nephews] of sums due to “feu messire Estienne de Sancerre iadis chevalier et feüe madame Perrenelle de Milly fille iadis feu monsieur Geoffroy de Milly sa femme” from the succession of “dudit feu monsieur Geoffroy de Milly, de feüe madame Ennor iadis femme dudit feu monsieur Geoffroy et de feu monsieur Guillaume de Milly iadis frere de ladite madame Perrenelle”, which had been paid to “de bonne memoire feu monsieur Huë de Bouuille le Pere iadis chevalier et seigneur de Milly...feüe madame Françoise de Seuly iadis dame de Boisgibaut...son douaire pour cause de feu monseigneur Guillaume de Milly iadis mari”[825]. m (1270) GUILLAUME Seigneur de Milly, son of GEOFFROY Seigneur de Milly & his second wife Eléonore --- (-before 1282).
b) ADELINE de Sully (-after 1224). "Adeline fille d’Eudes de Sully…pendant le temps de sa viduité" donated property to the abbey of Sainte-Marie-de-Longues by charter dated 1224[826].
=== ! Vol. 3 Tafel 110. ===
! Vol. 3 Tafel 110.
Preferred Parents:
Father: Eudes Archambaud Seigneur de Sully, b. 1105 in Sully-sur-Loire, Loiret, Centre-Val de Loire, France d. 1162 in Sully-sur-Loire, Orléans, Loiret, Centre-Val de Loire, France
Mother: Mathilde de Beaugency, b. ABT 1108 in Beaugency, Loiret, Centre-Val de Loire, France d. 1156 in France
Family 2: Luce de Charenton, b. 1139 in Charenton-du-Cher, Cher, Centre, France d. 1204 in Charenton-du-Cher, Cher, Centre, France
- Alix de Sully, b. 1160 d. 1222 in Sainte-Agathe-la-Bouteresse, Loire, Rhône-Alpes, France
Sources:
- Title: Árbol genealógico Gilon II de Sully
Author: Investigación llevada a cabo por otras personas en la página de Geneanet.
Publication: Name: https://gw.geneanet.org/gene241?n=de+sully&oc=&p=gilon+ii;
Page: Fiable
- Title: Our royal, titled, noble and commoner ancestors
Author: Citations [S11569] Europaische Stammtafeln, by Wilhelm Karl, Prinz zu Isenburg, Vol. III, Tafel 110. [S11569] Europaische Stammtafeln, by Wilhelm Karl, Prinz zu Isenburg, Vol. III, Tafel 111.
Publication: Name: https://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p952.htm#i28580;
Note: Gilon II, Sire de Sully1
Last Edited 27 May 2002
M, #28580, d. 1195
Father Eudes Archambaud, Sire de Sully
Mother Mahaud de Baugency
Gilon II, Sire de Sully married Luce de Charenton, daughter of Ebles VI, Seigneur de Charenton and Guiburge de Bourbon. Gilon II, Sire de Sully died in 1195.1
Family
Luce de Charenton d. a 1195
Children
Archambaud IV, Seigneur de Sully+ d. a 23 Aug 1234
Eudes I de Sully, Seigneur de Beaujeu, la Chapellette, & Blet+2 d. c 1218
- Title: Foundation for Medieval Genealogy
Publication: Name: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/cfragobs.htm#EudesArchambaudSullydiedafter1162;
Note: GILLES [III] de Sully, son of EUDES [Archambaud] Seigneur de Sully & his wife Mathilde de Baugency (-[1195]). He succeeded his father [after 1162] as Seigneur de Sully. "Gilo dominus Soliaci, habens guerram cum Johanne fratre suo" blocked access to the castle for the monks of Saint-Gondon sur Loire by charter dated 1172, "Radulpho priore Caritatis fratre suo" arranging another access[801]. A charter dated 1194 records an agreement between “dominum Gilonem de Soliaco…[et] Odonem filium predicti Gilonis” and the monks of La Charité-sur-Loire, which also names “dominus Archambaldus avus suus”, witnessed by “Archimbaudus de Soliaco”[802].
m LUCE de Charenton, daughter of EBLES [III] Seigneur de Charenton & his wife --- (-after 1195). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to the wife of "Egidii de Solleiro" as "sorore Ebonis de Charenton" but does not name her[803]. The primary source which confirms her name has not yet been identified.
Gilles [III] & his wife had five children:
1. ARCHAMBAUD [IV] de Sully (-10 Feb after 1234). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "archiepiscopum…Symonem et Erchenbaldum patrem Henrici de Solleio" as sons of "Egidii de Solleiro" & his wife[804]. Seigneur de Sully. “Archembaudus de Soliaco” enfranchised “castellum meum de Capella” by charter dated 1212[805]. “Arcambaudus de Soliaco” and the monks of Saint-Sulpice-lez-Bourges reached agreement about the customs of la Chapelle Damgillon by charter dated Jun 1229[806]. The necrology of La Cour-Dieu records the death “IV Id Feb” of “Archambaudus de Soliaco”[807]. m firstly ALIX, daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified. m secondly MARGUERITE, daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified. m thirdly ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified. As noted below, the charter dated 30 Nov 1269, quoted below, raises the possibility that the mother of Archambaud [IV]’s son Jean was related to the Mello family. Archambaud & his [first/second/third] wife had four children:
a) HENRI [I] de Sully (-after 1248). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Erchenbaldum patrem Henrici de Solleio"[808]. He succeeded his father [after 1234] as Seigneur de Sully. Seigneur de Dreux, by right of his second wife.
- see below.
b) JEAN de Sully (-30 Mar 1273). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. Archbishop of Bourges 1260. "Johannes...Bituricensis archiepiscopus, Aquitanie primus" attested that “consanguinea nostra Isabellis de Melloto” had given a sum of money to “domino Droconi de Melloto fratri suo” which “G...Autissiod. episcopus patruus suus” held in deposit, by charter dated 30 Nov 1269[809]. The precise relationship between Jean de Sully and the Mello family has not been ascertained, but it could have been through Jean’s mother whose parentage is not known. The necrology of Chartres cathedral records the death "III Kal Apr" of "J[ohannis] de Soliaco, de nobili prosapia Johannis quondam regis Jherosolimitani et dominorum de Borbonio ortus, quondam archiepiscopi Bituricensis"[810]. While it is chronologically unlikely that Jean de Brienne King of Jerusalem was the direct ancestor of Archbishop Jean, it is possible that the latter's mother was Jean de Brienne's relative. The connection with the Bourbon family is through Jean's paternal grandmother who was the granddaughter of Archambaud [VII] Seigneur de Bourbon. The necrology of Chartres cathedral records the death "III Kal Apr" of "J[ohannis] de Soliaco de nobili prosapia Johannis quondam regis Jherosolimitani et dominorum de Borbonio ortus, quondam archiepiscopi Bituricensis”[811].
c) GUILLAUME de Sully (-after Nov 1225). “Simon...Bituricensis archiepiscopus” confirmed an agreement between “nepotes nostros Henricum Soliacum dominum et Guillelmum fratrem suum” relating to “terram de Argento et de Climon, ratione portionis hereditariæ paternæ”, naming “frater noster pater eius Archembaudus de Solaico”, by charter dated Nov 1225[812]. Seigneur d'Argen.
d) GUY de Sully (-5 Mar 1280, bur eglise des Jacobins de Bourges). The necrology of Chartres cathedral records that "Guido frater eius de ordine fratrum Predicatorum" succeeded "J[ohannis] de Soliaco…quondam archiepiscopi Bituricensis" as Archbishop[813]. Archbishop of Bourges 1273.
2. SIMON de Sully (-8 Jul 1232, bur Bourges Cathedral). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records the appointment of "Symon cantor Bituricensis frater Erchenbaldi de Soilliaco super Ligerium" as Archbishop of Bourges in 1217[814]. Archbishop of Bourges 1218. The Chronicon Lemovicensi S. Martini records that "Simon cantor Bituricensis, de genere de Soler, nepos Henrici quondam Bituricensis archiepiscopi" was appointed archbishop of Bourges in 1218[815]. “Simon...Bituricensis archiepiscopus” confirmed an agreement between “nepotes nostros Henricum Soliacum dominum et Guillelmum fratrem suum” relating to “terram de Argento et de Climon, ratione portionis hereditariæ paternæ”, naming “frater noster pater eius Archembaudus de Solaico”, by charter dated Nov 1225[816]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records in 1232, after the death of “archiepiscopo Symone Bituricensi”, the choice of “post aliquas electiones...magister Petrus de Castro Radulfi”[817].
3. PHILIPPE de Sully . The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. La Thaumassière names “Philippes de Seuly chantre de l’église de Bourges” as the third son of “Gilon Sire de Seuly” and his wife but cites no source on which the information is based[818]. Canon at Bourges.
4. BERNARD de Sully (-6 Jan 1246). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. La Thaumassière names “Bernard de Seuly évêque d’Auxerre mort le 6 janvier 1247” as the fourth son of “Gilon Sire de Seuly” and his wife but cites no source on which the information is based[819]. Bishop of Auxerre . The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records the death in 1233 of “episcopus Heinricus Autisiodorensis” and the succession of “eiusdem ecclesie decanus Bernardus”[820].
5. EUDES [I] de Sully (-[1218]). A charter dated 1194 records an agreement between “dominum Gilonem de Soliaco…[et] Odonem filium predicti Gilonis” and the monks of La Charité-sur-Loire, which also names “dominus Archambaldus avus suus”, witnessed by “Archimbaudus de Soliaco”[821]. Seigneur de Beaujeu [en Berry]. m ELEONORE de Monfaucon Dame d'Erry, daughter of EUDES de Monfaucon Seigneur d'Erry & his wife Sarah d’Ervy (-1250, bur Font-Morigny). The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. La Thaumassière names “Regnaud S. de Montfaucon, Aenor de Montfaucon mariée à Eudes de Seuly S. de Beaujeu” as the children of “Eudes S. de Montfaucon” and his wife but cites no source on which the information is based[822]. Père Anselme records her testament dated 1247, in which she chose burial at Font-Morigny[823]. Eudes [I] & his wife had children:
a) EUDES [II] de Sully (-before 1258). Seigneur de Beaujeu [en Berry], de la Chapelotte, de Blet et d’Erry. m SEDILIE de Culant, daughter of RENOUL [III] Seigneur de Culant et de Châteauneuf & his wife Sédilie --- (-before 1258). Eudes [II] & his wife had children:
i) EUDES [III] de Sully (-after 1284). Seigneur de Beaujeu [en Berry], d’Erry, de Sancergues, de la Motte, de la Cordille et de la Grange. m MARGUERITE de Milly, daughter of GEOFFROY Seigneur de Milly & his second wife Eléonore --- (-[1286]).
- SEIGNEURS de BEAUJEU-en-Berry[824].
ii) FRANÇOISE de Sully (-Sep 1329). A charter dated [1/7] Oct 1331 records reimbursement to [her husband’s named Courtenay great-nephews] of sums due to “feu messire Estienne de Sancerre iadis chevalier et feüe madame Perrenelle de Milly fille iadis feu monsieur Geoffroy de Milly sa femme” from the succession of “dudit feu monsieur Geoffroy de Milly, de feüe madame Ennor iadis femme dudit feu monsieur Geoffroy et de feu monsieur Guillaume de Milly iadis frere de ladite madame Perrenelle”, which had been paid to “de bonne memoire feu monsieur Huë de Bouuille le Pere iadis chevalier et seigneur de Milly...feüe madame Françoise de Seuly iadis dame de Boisgibaut...son douaire pour cause de feu monseigneur Guillaume de Milly iadis mari”[825]. m (1270) GUILLAUME Seigneur de Milly, son of GEOFFROY Seigneur de Milly & his second wife Eléonore --- (-before 1282).
b) ADELINE de Sully (-after 1224). "Adeline fille d’Eudes de Sully…pendant le temps de sa viduité" donated property to the abbey of Sainte-Marie-de-Longues by charter dated 1224[826].
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