Hugh Longchamp II II

• Preferred Name: Hugh Longchamp II II
  
• Alternate Name: Hugh De Longchamps
  
• Gender: M
  
• FSID: G9Q9-F81
  
• Birth: 1138 in Wilton, Herefordshire, England at LATI: N1.9167 LONG: E2.6
  
• Death: 1195 in Ross-on-Wye, Herefordshire, England at LATI: N1.9147 LONG: E2.5834
  
• http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Sheriff
  
• Occupation: Sheriff of Longchamps
  
• Notes:

  === !Some Early English Pedigrees. ===
  !Some Early English Pedigrees.
  
  === Titles ===
  Hugh Longchamps I
  Chancellor, Chief Justiclair & Bishop of Ely de Longchamps
  
  === Line in Record @I07488@ (RIN 6987) from ===
  Line in Record @I07488@ (RIN 6987) from GEDCOM file not recognized: FAMILY_SPOUSE @F3118@
  
  === SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 S ===
  SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 SO68) P.46;
  
  === Ancestral File Number: 99T2-0R ===
  Ancestral File Number: 99T2-0R
  
  === !Some early English Pedigrees ===
  !Some early English Pedigrees
  
  === From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 J ===
  From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.
  
  === From: Therav3@aol.com
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  From: Therav3@aol.com
  Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
  Subject: Longchamp of Wilton, co. Hereford
  NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 May 2002 04:41:46 GMT
  
  Wednesday, 22 May, 2002
  
  Dear Douglas, Cris, et al.,
  
  In recent posts by yourselves and others, entries from the Yearbooks (reign of Edward I I believe) were introduced which appeared to demonstrate relationships between the Longchamp and Grey (Wilton) families, and also Grey (Wilton) and Mortimer. Two items which had not been resolved in the course of those threads were:
  
  1. The identification of 'W' as the father of Maud de Longchamp, heiress of Wilton, co. Hereford and wife of Sir Reynold de Grey of Ruthin, co. Denbigh & c. (d. 1308).
  
  2. The identification of the manor of 'C', in dispute between the King on the one hand, and Sir Reynold and his wife Maud on the other.
  
  The manor in question has not been identified to date, and wonder how this might eventually be accomplished. However, it seems certain that the Yearbook entries include an erroneous individmacl ('W') in the lineage of Maud de Longchamp.
  
  I have compared the account of the family of Longchamp in Dugdale [Baronage, pp. 593-4; quoted in part in previous thread] to the records of the royal grants for fairs and markets at Wilton, co. Hereford and find the Dugdale account to be accurate
  
  Account Per Details re:
  Dugdale Fairs and Markets
  
  1. Henry de held Wilton,
  Longchamp 12 Hen. II (1165) ;
  6 Joh. (1204) grant of market to
  'Henry de Long Campo'
  26 Sept 1205 [1]
  died
  13 Joh. (1211/2)
  
  2. Henry de held Wilton : grant of fair and
  Longchamp market 'to be held
  at the manor'
  8 Sept 1231 [2]
  
  3. Maud de held Wilton : grant of fair and
  Longchamp & market 'to be held
  Reynold de at the manor'
  Grey 1257 [3]
  
  There seems no support for an individmacl, either 'W' or 'William FitzHugh', to be placed within the above generations. The FitzHugh identified elsewhere (Burke's as I recall) has no documentation to explore; I would suggest that the individmacl 'W' is an erroneous identification, similar to the Yearbook entries' renaming of Joan as Maud, Maud as Joan, & c. as noted by Douglas Richardson in the earlier posts of those entries.
  
  Most logically, this would be an understandable outgrowth of actmacl relationships if William de Longchamp, identified by Dugdale as 'the Son of Henry de Longcamp' [Baronage, p. 594], and by Dugdale and others as the (2nd) husband of Petronilla de Craon, was the brother of the second Henry de Longchamp. The confusion of the compiler of the Yearbook entries (or of the original writers of the entries) would then be certainly understandable.
  
  The following chart is then based on the account of Dugdale, as modified by the above identifications.
  
  Hugh de Longchamp
  of Wilton, co. Hereford
  d. bef 1155
  I
  I
  Hugh de Longchamp
  d. bef 1165
  ________________I _________________
  I I I
  Henry de Longchamp = Maud de William de
  Sheriff of Herefords. I Cantelou Cantelou
  & Worcs.; d. 1212 Id. 1239
  _____________________I________ - had wardship
  II of Henry 'the
  I I_______ younger' [4]
  II
  2) Henry de = Joan = 1) Thomas de William de
  Longchamp I Birkin Longchamp
  d bef 1258 I dsp 1230 = Petronilla de
  II Craon
  _______ II
  I I
  Maud de = Sir Reynold de Henry de = Sibyl de
  Longchamp I Grey; d. 1308 Longchamp I Heringaude
  I I
  _________I_______________________I
  I I I
  John de Grey Sir Edmund = Joan Alice
  2nd Lord Grey de Mortimer I de Grey = Roger de
  d. 1323I Pedwardyne
  I I
  I I
  from whom, from whom,
  Lords Grey (Wilton, Earls of March
  Ruthin) Kings of England, 1460-70,
  Lords Moels 1471- to date
  Lords Dinham, & c.
  
  Good luck, and good hunting.
  
  John *
  
  * John P. Ravilious
  
  NOTES :
  [1] Rotuli Litterarum Clausarum, i, p. 51.
  [2] Close Rolls of the Reign of Henry III, Vol. I (1902)
  [3] Calendar of Charter Rolls, Vol. I (1903), p. 477
  [4] Pipe Roll, Hereford' in Wall', p. 158 as cited by
  Cris Nash, SGM, FitzUrse and de Cantelou/Cantilupe
  
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  SOURCE CITATION: Title: Ancestral File (TM) Author: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Publication Information: July 1996 (c), data as of 2 January 1996 Repository Name: Family History Library Address: 35 N West Temple Street Salt Lake City, UT 84150 USA

1. Henry de Longchamp - III of Herefordshire, b. 1160 in Wilton Castle, Herefordshire, England     d. 1212 in Wilton, Herefordshire, England
2. Roger de Longchamps I, b. ABT 1156 in Aquitaine, France     d. in Lincolnshire, England, United Kingdom