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Hawise de Clare
- Preferred Name: Hawise de Clare[1] [2] [3]
- Gender: F
- Death: ABT 1235 in England
- FSID: G6TX-TVZ
- Birth: ABT 1189 in Clare, Suffolk, England at LATI: N2.0784 LONG: E0.5832
- Notes:
=== Life Sketch ===
"The marital history of Geoffrey de Say (died 1230), the Magna Carta baron, is quite muddled in secondary sources.... Rather,
evidence indicates that Geoffrey de Say actually married Hawise de Clare, daughter of Richard de Clare, Knt., Earl of Hertford, also a Magna Carta baron, by Amice, 2nd daughter and co-heiress of William Fitz Robert, 2nd Earl of Gloucester. " Competing theories and Richardson's evidence in Complete Peerage Addition: Hawise de Clare, wife of Geoffrey de Say, Magna Carta Baron by Douglas Richardson. soc.genealogy.medieval 2007
key sources
ca. 1215 "Gaufro de Say scutaiu suu de feod milita qui tenet de Com de Clara in maritagu.." 7 March 16John from
Rotuli Litterarum Clausarum In Turri Londinensi Asservati v. 1
https://digitale-bibliothek-mv.de/viewer/image/PPN848631250/248/#topDocAnchor
ca. 123? “charter of William son of Geoffrey de Say, and Avice de Clare “ of property in Edmonton ..” from Calendar of the Cartularies of John Pyel And Adam Fraunceys. https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/002902069
Clare, Hawise de - aft 1235
"The marital history of Geoffrey de Say (died 1230), the Magna Carta baron, is quite muddled in secondary sources.... Rather,
evidence indicates that Geoffrey de Say actually married Hawise de Clare,
Preferred Parents:
Father: Richard de Clare, b. ABT 1153 in Tonbridge, Kent, England d. NOV 1217 in Tonbridge, Kent, England, United Kingdom
Mother: Amice FitzWilliam, b. FEB 1160 in Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England d. 1 JAN 1225 in Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England, United Kingdom
Family 1: Sir Geoffrey de Say, Magna Charta Baron, b. ABT 1180 in Sussex, England, United Kingdom d. 19 AUG 1230 in Poitou, France
Family 2: Geoffrey de Thick, b. 1184 d. in Dethick, Derbyshire, England
- m. 1205 in Greenwich, Kent, England
- Geoffrey de Thick, b. 1215 in Derbyshire, England d. 1278
Family 3: Geoffrey de Saye II, b. ABT 1155 in West Greenwich, Kent, England d. 24 AUG 1230 in Gascoigne, Poitou, France
- m. 1206 in Suffolk County, England
- William de Saye, b. 12 FEB 1209 in West Greenwich, Kent, England d. 12 FEB 1272 in Rochester, Kent, England
Sources:
- Title: Rotuli Litterarum Clausarum In Turri Londinensi Asservati
Author: Rotuli Litterarum Clausarum In Turri Londinensi Asservati v.1 16 John m.7
Publication: Name: https://digitale-bibliothek-mv.de/viewer/image/PPN848631250/248/;
- Title: Complete Peerage Addition: Hawise de Clare, wife of Geoffrey de Say, Magna Carta Baron
Author: Complete Peerage Addition: Hawise de Clare, wife of Geoffrey de Say, Magna Carta Baron by Douglas Richardson. Posting ca 2007 in soc.genealogy.medieval
Publication: Name: https://soc.genealogy.medieval.narkive.com/i04cr4ZC/complete-peerage-addition-hawise-de-clare-wife-of-geoffrey-de-say-magna-carta-baron;
- Title: Calendar of the Cartularies of John Pyel And Adam Fraunceys
Author: O'Connor, S. J, and Royal Historical Society (Great Britain). A Calendar of the Cartularies of John Pyel And Adam Fraunceys. London: Offices of the Royal Historical Society, University College London, 1993.
Publication: Name: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015032960778&view=1up&seq=256;
Note: extensive abstract of land charters of Adam Fraunceys who purchased some of the de Say properties in Edmonton, Middlesex and had a compilation made of the property transactions up through the 14th century. Entry 271 establishes connection between de Say and Avis Clare and Edmonton; there are several dozen de Say references.
Page: entry 271 "William de Say, son of Geoffrey de Say, and Avis de Clare" ..charter for Edmonton..between 1230 and 1270.
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