Isabella St Philibert

• Preferred Name: Isabella St Philibert^{[1] [2]}
  
• Gender: F
  
• FSID: GHWQ-Q7Y
  
• Birth: ABT 1323 in Eaton Hastings, Berkshire, England, United Kingdom at LATI: N1.6838 LONG: E1.6207
  
• Death: ABT 1359 in Aldwarke, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom at LATI: N3.4333 LONG: E1.3167
  
• Notes:

  === Parents John St. Philibert and Ada. ===
  Parents John St. Philibert and Ada.
  
  === SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 S ===
  SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 SO68) P.15, 40, 42, 47;
  
  === M E Sorley: The Sorley Pedigrees P. 47 ===
  M E Sorley: The Sorley Pedigrees P. 47
  
  === parents ===
  
  There is an ancient pedigree of the Clarell family in Misc. Gen. & Heraldica which identifies Isabel, wife of Sir Thomas Clarell (he living c. 1354), as a member and heiress of the Comyn family:
  
  "Sir Thomas Clarell son and heyre. = Izabell Dor. & heyre of Redcomyn." [Reference: Misc. Gen. & Heraldica 4th Ser. 4 (1912): 70 (Clarell pedigree)].
  
  We know from other sources that Sir Thomas Clarell's wife was in fact named Isabel:
  
  Nottinghamshire Archives: Foljambe of Osberton: Deeds and Estate Papers, Reference: DD/FJ/4/32/8, grant dated 21 June 1335 from John Hyghe of Roderham, chaplain to Thomas Clarell and his wife Isabel in tail lands in Thorpe, 1 water mill and 1 fulling mill in Aldewerk, Osterneheeng meadow in Thrybergh, and lands in Kilnehirst and Great and Little Dalton, of which Thomas had previously enfeoffed the grantor (abstract of documents available online at http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/i ndex.asp).
  
  My research indicates that Thomas and Isabel's son, William Clarell (died c. 1380), of Aldwark, Yorkshire, was heir before 1376 to Sir Thomas Comyn, of Ulceby, Lincolnshire, by which he inherited the manor of Ulceby, Lincolnshire, a Comyn property:
  
  Nottinghamshire Archives: Foljambe of Osberton: Deeds and Estate Papers, DD/FJ/1/165/3, grant dated 11 Feb. 1375/6 from William Clarell, Lord of Ulceby to Sir Gilbert, rector of Rawmarsh, Yorkshire et al. of the manor of Ulceby, Lincolnshire, subject to the reversion of dower of dame Margaret, widow of Sir Thomas Comyn (abstract of document available online at http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/i ndex.asp).
  
  The Sir Thomas Comyn in question appears to have been the son of an earlier Robert Comyn, of Ulceby, Lincolnshire, who occurs in the period, 1335-1340. In 1335, Robert Comyn demanded against Roger Comyn and Agnes his wife and others land in Ulceby, Lincolnshire which William de Roos of Helmsley had given to Alice his daughter (Robert Comyn's grandmother) [Reference: Lincolnshire Notes & Queries, 9 (1907): 249-250]. In 1340 Robert Comyn charged that Robert Belhone of Scawby was charged with stealing four sheep from him at Ulceby, Lincolnshire [Reference: McLane, 1341 Royal Inquest in Lincolnshire (Lincoln Rec. Soc. 78) (1988): 127, 131].
  
  Given that Isabel Comyn's husband, Sir Thomas Clarell, occurs in the records in the same approximate time period as Robert Comyn, it seems apparent that Isabel Comyn, wife of Sir Thomas Clarell, was the sister of Robert Comyn (living 1335-1340), and thus daughter of John Comyn, of Ulceby, Lincolnshire, who occurs as an adult in the period, 1300-1310. John Comyn in turn was a younger son of John Comyn (died 1273-8), of Badenoch in Scotland, by his 2nd wife, Alice de Roos (died c. 1286).
  
  I know of no evidence whatsoever that Isabel, wife of Sir Thomas Clarell, was a member of the Saint Philibert family, although this is claimed by Hunter, South Yorkshire, 2 (1831): 51-56, and other secondary sources. Rather, I believe the descent of the manor of Ulceby, Lincolnshire from the Roos family to the Comyn family to the Clarell family confirms that Lady Isabel Clarell was a Comyn, as stated in the pedigree I've cited above. Had the Comyn line failed, the manor of Ulceby, Lincolnshire would almost certainly have reverted back to the Roos family, it being the maritagium of Robert Comyn's grandmother, Alice (de Roos) Comyn.
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  === DEATH: Also shown as Died Deceased ===
  
  DEATH: Also shown as Died Deceased
  
  === name ===
  Originally researchers had Isabel as a St. Philbert/Philibert based on a post by Alan Wilson. However, Douglas Richardson has come up with proof that shewas a Comyn. This has been published in his book MCA. Included is apost to SGM, 16 Aug 2005, by Douglas on the subject below (which Douglas subsequently e-mailed):
  
  Dear Martin ~
  
  Thank you for your good post. You've asked an excellent question.
  
  There is an ancient pedigree of the Clarell family in Misc. Gen. &Heraldica which identifies Isabel, wife of Sir Thomas Clarell (he livingc. 1354), as a member and heiress of the Comyn family:
  
  "Sir Thomas Clarell son and heyre. = Izabell Dor. & heyre of Redcomyn."[Reference: Misc. Gen. & Heraldica 4th Ser. 4 (1912): 70 (Clarellpedigree)].
  
  We know from other sources that Sir Thomas Clarell's wife was in factnamed Isabel:
  
  Nottinghamshire Archives: Foljambe of Osberton: Deeds and Estate Papers,Reference: DD/FJ/4/32/8, grant dated 21 June 1335 from John Hyghe ofRoderham, chaplain to Thomas Clarell and his wife Isabel in tail lands inThorpe, 1 water mill and 1 fulling mill in Aldewerk, Osterneheeng meadowin Thrybergh, and lands in Kilnehirst and Great and Little Dalton, ofwhich Thomas had previously enfeoffed the grantor (abstract of documentsavailable online at http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/i ndex.asp).
  
  My research indicates that Thomas and Isabel's son, William Clarell (diedc. 1380), of Aldwark, Yorkshire, was heir before 1376 to Sir ThomasComyn, of Ulceby, Lincolnshire, by which he inherited the manor ofUlceby, Lincolnshire, a Comyn property:
  
  Nottinghamshire Archives: Foljambe of Osberton: Deeds and Estate Papers,DD/FJ/1/165/3, grant dated 11 Feb. 1375/6 from William Clarell, Lord ofUlceby to Sir Gilbert, rector of Rawmarsh, Yorkshire et al. of the manorof Ulceby, Lincolnshire, subject to the reversion of dower of dameMargaret, widow of Sir Thomas Comyn (abstract of document availableonline at http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/i ndex.asp).
  
  The Sir Thomas Comyn in question appears to have been the son of anearlier Robert Comyn, of Ulceby, Lincolnshire, who occurs in the period,1335-1340. In 1335, Robert Comyn demanded against Roger Comyn and Agneshis wife and others land in Ulceby, Lincolnshire which William de Roos ofHelmsley had given to Alice his daughter (Robert Comyn's grandmother)[Reference: Lincolnshire Notes & Queries, 9 (1907): 249-250]. In 1340Robert Comyn charged that Robert Belhone of Scawby was charged withstealing four sheep from him at Ulceby, Lincolnshire [Reference: McLane,1341 Royal Inquest in Lincolnshire (Lincoln Rec. Soc. 78) (1988): 127,131].
  
  Given that Isabel Comyn's husband, Sir Thomas Clarell, occurs in therecords in the same approximate time period as Robert Comyn, it seemsapparent that Isabel Comyn, wife of Sir Thomas Clarell, was the sister ofRobert Comyn (living 1335-1340), and thus daughter of John Comyn, ofUlceby, Lincolnshire, who occurs as an adult in the period, 1300-1310.John Comyn in turn was a younger son of John Comyn (died 1273-8), ofBadenoch in Scotland, by his 2nd wife, Alice de Roos (died c. 1286).
  
  I know of no evidence whatsoever that Isabel, wife of Sir Thomas Clarell,was a member of the Saint Philibert family, although this is claimed byHunter, South Yorkshire, 2 (1831): 51-56, and other secondary sources.Rather, I believe the descent of the manor of Ulceby, Lincolnshire fromthe Roos family to the Comyn family to the Clarell family confirms thatLady Isabel Clarell was a Comyn, as stated in the pedigree I've citedabove. Had the Comyn line failed, the manor of Ulceby, Lincolnshirewould almost certainly have reverted back to the Roos family, it beingthe maritagium of Robert Comyn's grandmother, Alice (de Roos) Comyn.
  
  Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
  
  Website: www.royalancestry.net
  
  mholl... AT mac.com wrote:
  
  < As a descendant of Elizabeth Mansfield, I was already noticing the
  < Montgomery material. However, there is a discrepancy between the
  < database you cite and Magna Carta Ancestry as to the parentage of
  < William Clarell c. 1340-bef 1380, the father of Thomas Clarell who
  < married Maud Montgomery.
  <
  < Magna Carta gives the parents as Thomas Clarell and Isabel Comyn (p.
  < 202) and the database has Thomas Clarell and Isabell de St. Philbert.
  < Please comment on the discrepancy.

1. Title: Yorkshire Pedigrees
   Author: Joseph Foster, Yorkshire Pedigrees .
   Page: Family Records
   
2. Title: FamilySearch Family Tree (http://www.familysearch.org)
   Author: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, \"FamilySearch Family Tree,\" database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org : 16 Aug 2018), entry for William Carell, person ID LBMY-43S;
   Page: verifies info