Roger FitzGerold de Roumare

• Preferred Name: Roger FitzGerold de Roumare^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]}
  
• Gender: M
  
• Death: Y
  
• Birth: 1055
  
• Burial: in Lincolnshire, England
  
• http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Lord of Spalding
  
• FSID: GVDC-S7C
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  Roger fitzGerold de Roumare
  
  Born say 1055. After the death of Ivo Taillebois (about 1094), his widow Lucy was given to Roger by William Rufus (William II). (Early Yorkshire Charters, vol. 1, p. 473) She was the daughter of Turold sheriff of Lincoln[1] and the daughter of Robert Malet. In a charter dated to [1094-98] donating land to the church of St. Marys, York, he is called R[ogerus] filius Geroldi. (Early Yorkshire Charters, vol. 1, p. 473) This charter is witnessed by his wife Lucy, his brother Wido, his ‘dapifer’ (steward) G[------] and Luponis and Robert de Grai.
  
  Roger died about 1098. Roger and Lucy had one son, William (about 1096 to 1161)
  
  [1] K.S.B. Keats-Rohan, “Domesday Book and the Malets”, 1996, printed Nottingham Medieval Studies 41 (1997) 13-56, p 7
  From Foundation for Medieval Genealogy, Medieval Lands, Earls of Lincoln (Roumare)
  
  === !#21> Complete Peerage-v7-p667fn(c),668, ===
  !#21> Complete Peerage-v7-p667fn(c),668, (FHL 942 D22cok); !KIN> s & h; PROP> Domesday tenant;
  
  === WILLIAM DE ROUMARE, Seigneur of Roumare ===
  WILLIAM DE ROUMARE, Seigneur of Roumare (near Rouen), so n of Roger FITZGEROLD (c), by Lucy, "the Countess," was bor n circa 1096. [Complete Peerage VII:667, (transcribed by Da ve Utzinger)] (c) He [Roger FitzGerold] and Lucy his wife gave the churc h of Asgarby to the canons of Lincoln. His obit was kept a t Lincoln on 15 July. He witnessed an undated charter of hi s brother Robert to le Bec, which charter is confirmed by a n undated charter of Robert's nephew William de Roumare, wh o calls Robert his predecessor. Robert had Corfe and othe r estates in 1086 and was living in 1096. Roger and Rober t were sons of Gerold "Miles Christi", who with consent o f Robert his son and heir gave to the nuns of St. Amand, Ro uen, the church of Roumare for the soul of his wife Aubreye , who d. 21 May. Among the witnesses are Radulfus frater G eroudi and Osbertus de Novoforo (Neufmarche), who also atte st another grant by the same Gerold to St. Amand in the pre sence of William, King of the English. Gerold, the Senesch al witnessed charters in 1055, 1063, and 1066, and circia 1 064 Duke William established Gerold "dapifer" as Castella n of Neufmarche. Gerold de Neufmarche is witness to a chart er of William I dated Apr 1067. The appearance of Osbern d e Neufmarche as witness to the two charters of Gerold "Mile s Christi" mentioned above, when taken in conjunction wit h the fact that his descendants were Castellans of Neufmarc he, establishes the identity of the two Gerolds. Note: Apparently Roger was the younger son, while Robert, t he elder, inherited the Normandy estates. I assume that Ro bert may have been son of an earlier Norman wife. William , Roger's son, apparently inherited Roumare from Robert, wh o may not have had issue; yet other descendants inherited N eufmarche? !DEATH:Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great B ritain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Pub lishing Lt, Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Gr eat Britain and th e United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutto n Publishing Lt, VII:667 (c) !GENERAL:GEDCOM file imported on 24 Mar 2003., GEDCOM fil e imported on 24 Mar 2003.
  
  === The first of this name upon record, Robe ===
  The first of this name upon record, Robert de Romare, feudal Lord of Bollingbroke, co. Lincoln, m. Lucia, dau. and co-heir of Ivo de Tailboys, by whom (who m. after his decease, Ranulph de Meschines, Earl of Chester), he had a son and successor, William de Romare, Lord of Bollingbroke. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages,. Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 457, Romare, Earls of Lincoln]
  
  NOTE: This is in conflict with the information for Lucy/Lucia as found on p. 365, under Meschines--Earls of Chester, wherein Burke states Ranulph de Meschines m. Lucia, widow of Roger de Romara, Earl of Lincoln, and dau. of Algar, the Saxon, Earl of Mercia.
  
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  WILLIAM DE ROUMARE, Seigneur of Roumare (near Rouen), son of Roger FITZGEROLD (c), by Lucy, "the Countess," was born circa 1096. [Complete Peerage VII:667, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
  
  (c) He [Roger FitzGerold] and Lucy his wife gave the church of Asgarby to the canons of Lincoln. His obit was kept at Lincoln on 15 July. He witnessed an undated charter of his brother Robert to le Bec, which charter is confirmed by an undated charter of Robert's nephew William de Roumare, who calls Robert his predecessor. Robert had Corfe and other estates in 1086 and was living in 1096. Roger and Robert were sons of Gerold "Miles Christi", who with consent of Robert his son and heir gave to the nuns of St. Amand, Rouen, the church of Roumare for the soul of his wife Aubreye, who d. 21 May. Among the witnesses are Radulfus frater Geroudi and Osbertus de Novoforo (Neufmarche), who also attest another grant by the same Gerold to St. Amand in the presence of William, King of the English. Gerold, the Seneschal witnessed charters in 1055, 1063, and 1066, and circia 1064 Duke William established Gerold "dapifer" as Castellan of Neufmarche. Gerold de Neufmarche is witness to a charter of William I dated Apr 1067. The appearance of Osbern de Neufmarche as witness to the two charters of Gerold "Miles Christi" mentioned above, when taken in conjunction with the fact that his descendants were Castellans of Neufmarche, establishes the identity of the two Gerolds.
  
  Note: Apparently Roger was the younger son, while Robert, the elder, inherited the Normandy estates. I assume that Robert may have been son of an earlier Norman wife. William, Roger's son, apparently inherited Roumare from Robert, who may not have had issue; yet other descendants inherited Neufmarche?

• m. ABT 1093

1. Title: The Medieval Lands Project, "ROGER FitzGerold"
   Author: fmg.ac
   Publication: Name: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL1.htm#RogerFitzGerolddiedbefore1098;
   Note: ROGER FitzGerold, son of GEROLD & his wife Aubreye --- (-before 1098). Châtelain de Neufmarché. “R filius Geroldi” donated property to St Mary’s, York by charter dated to [1094/98], witnessed by “L. sua uxor et suus frater Wido…”[899]. m (after 1094) as her second husband, LUCY, widow of IVO Taillebois Lord of Kendal, daughter of --- & his wife [--- Malet] (-1138). Ingulph's Chronicle of the Abbey of Croyland records that William I King of England arranged the marriage of "Ivo Taillebois" and "Lucia sister of Edwin and Morcar", her dowry consisting of their land at Hoyland[900], but this parentage appears impossible from a chronological point of view. Peter of Blois's Continuation of the Chronicle of the Abbey of Croyland records the death of Ivo and his burial at the priory of Spalding, that their only daughter "who had been married to a husband of noble rank" had predeceased her father, and the remarriage of his widow "hardly had one month elapsed after his death" with "Roger de Romar the son Gerald de Romar"[901]. A manuscript recording the foundation of Spalding monastery records that “Yvo Talboys” married "Thoroldo…hærede Lucia" who, after the death of Ivo, married (in turn) "Rogerum filium Geroldi" and "comitem Cestriæ Ranulphum"[902]. Ingulph's Chronicle of the Abbey of Croyland records that "his wife the lady Lucia" married "Roger de Romar the son of Gerald de Romar" when "hardly had one month elapsed after the death" of her first husband "Ivo Taillebois"[903]. “R filius Geroldi” donated property to St Mary’s, York by charter dated to [1094/98], witnessed by “L. sua uxor et suus frater Wido…”[904]. She married thirdly (1098) Ranulf "Meschin" Earl of Chester. She is named as wife of Ranulf by Orderic Vitalis, who also names her first husband, but does not give her origin[905]. According to a charter of Henri Duke of Normandy (later Henry II King of England) to her son Ranulf Earl of Chester dated 1153, Ctss Lucy was the niece of Robert Malet of Eye and of Alan of Lincoln, as well as kinswoman of Thorold "the Sheriff"[906]. Roger FitzGerold & his wife had two children: (William de Roumare and Roger).
   
2. Title: Roger FitzGerald (FitzGerold) in the Dictionary of National Biography
   Author: Dictionary of National Biography, pg 314
   Publication: Name: https://books.google.com/books?id=lC08AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA314&lpg=PA314&dq=the+Dictionary+of+National+Biography+Roger+FitzGerald+(FitzGerald)+in&source=bl&ots=nLnx9Dt4gF&sig=ACfU3U3pDhbdKepNCOa4PLKprFRovvwcAQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjM6tDN8bn5AhW0KkQIHV7pCn4Q6AF6BAgaEAM#v=onepage&q=the%20Dictionary%20of%20National%20Biography%20Roger%20FitzGerald%20(FitzGerald)%20in&f=false;
   Note: Roger FitzGerald (FitzGerold) in the Dictionary of National Biography, pg 314 [See document in the Memories section] Lucy was Ivo Taillebois widow not his wife. There was no second Lucy.
   Page: Roger FitzGerald (FitzGerold) in the Dictionary of National Biography, pg 314 [See document in the Memories section]
   
3. Title: Roger FitzGerold de Roumare, "Find A Grave Index"
   Author: "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2DJ-4YTG : 10 September 2021), Roger FitzGerold de Roumare, ; Burial, Old Bolingbroke, East Lindsey District, Lincolnshire, England, SS Peter and Paul Churchyard; citing record ID 171803689, Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.
   Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2DJ-4YTG;
   
4. Title: House of Tancarville - le MAISON de la VILLE TANCRÉDE
   Author: WikiTree
   Publication: Name: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:House_of_Tancarville;
   Note: One of the foremost of the Viking's with Rollo was Tancrède. He was with Rollo at St. Clair-sur-Epte, and receiving his reward of the land of and surrounding what was to become Tancarville, settled there and eventually was built a fortified Castle on his demesne, le Ville de Tancrède, located on the first promontory guarding the mouth of the Seine River.
   Page: correct
   
5. Title: Lucy of Bolingbroke in The History of the Palatine County and City of Chester
   Author: The History of the Palatine County and City of Chester, Vol. 1, pg. 19
   Publication: Name: https://archive.org/details/historyofcountyp00orme/page/18/mode/2up?q=Lucy;
   Note: Lucy of Bolingbroke in The History of the Palatine County and City of Chester, Vol. 1, pg. 19 [See document in the Memories section] THIS HISTORY HAS BEEN LARGELY DISCREDITED.
   Page: Lucy of Bolingbroke in The History of the Palatine County and City of Chester, Vol. 1, pg. 19 [See document in the Memories section]
   
6. Title: The Countess Lucy in Cokayne's Complete Peerage
   Author: Cokayne's Complete Peerage, Vol. VII, Appendix J, pg. 743-746
   Publication: Name: https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.210885/page/n755/mode/2up?view=theater;
   Note: The Countess Lucy in Cokayne's Complete Peerage, Vol. VII, Appendix J, pg. 743-746 [See document in the memories section]
   Page: The Countess Lucy in Cokayne's Complete Peerage, Vol. VII, Appendix J, pg. 743-746 [See document in the memories section]