Katherine de Roet of Lancaster

• Preferred Name: Katherine de Roet of Lancaster^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13]}
  
• Alternate Name: Katherine Swynford
  
• Alternate Name: Katherine de Roët
  
• Gender: F
  
• http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Duchess
  
• Title (Nobility): 1388 with note: Description: Order of the Garter
  
• FSID: 9C7T-V6M
  
• Royal+Decree+Legitimizing+John+of+Gaunts+children: 1396 in England
  
• Death: 10 MAY 1403 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England, United Kingdom at LATI: N3.2426 LONG: E0.491 with note: This is a formality.
  
• Fact: 1388 with note: Description: appointed Lady Companion
  
• Birth: 25 NOV 1350 in Somme, Picardie, France at LATI: N9.9167 LONG: E0.5
  
• Mistress: MAY 1372 in England with note: Description: Affair with John of Gaunt
  
• Burial: AFT 10 MAY 1403 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England, United Kingdom at LATI: N3.2426 LONG: E0.491 with note: This is a formality.
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  Katherine Roet, Duchess of Lancaster b. 1350 – 10 May 1403, also spelled Katharine or Catherine,[2] was the third wife of John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster, a son of King Edward III. She had been the Duke's lover for many years before their marriage. The couple's children, born before the marriage, were later legitimised during the reign of the Duke's nephew, Richard II. When the Duke's son from his first marriage overthrew Richard, becoming Henry IV, he introduced a provision[citation needed] that neither they nor their descendants could ever claim the throne of England; however, the legitimacy for all rights was a parliamentary statute that Henry IV lacked the authority to amend.
  
  Their descendants were members of the Beaufort family, which played a major role in the Wars of the Roses. Henry VII, who became King of England in 1485, derived his claim to the throne from his mother, Margaret Beaufort, who was a great-granddaughter of Gaunt and Swynford. His legal claim to the throne, therefore, was through a cognatic and previously illegitimate line. Henry's first action was to declare himself king "by right of conquest" retroactively from 21 August 1485, the day before his army defeated King Richard III at the Battle of Bosworth.[3]
  
  BIO
  BIO: from http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20Kings%201066-1603.htm#JohnGauntdied1399B as of 1/24/2016
  
  KATHARINE Swynford, widow of HUGH Swynford of Coleby and Kettlethorpe, Lincolnshire, dau
  
  Katherine de Roet, Duchess of Lancaster - Notes from Document Sources
  Royal Ancestry by Douglas Richardson, Vol. 1 pg 88; Vol. 2 pg 612; Vol. 4 pg 232; Vol. 5 pg 339
  ... daughter and co-heiress of Gilles dit Paonet de Roet (or Ruet, Roelt), Knt., Marshal of the Househol
  
  "Katherine Swynford, the love of Prince John of Gaunt's life?" (Part 1)....
  
  ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM ARTICLE:
  "Katherine Swynford, the love of Prince John of Gaunt's life?"
  
  Katherine Swynford, another one of those intriguing medieval woman to explore, she was a daughter o
  
  "Katherine Swynford, the love of Prince John of Gaunt's life?" Cont'd....(Part 2)
  
  Katherine continued as governess and her and John fell in love. This, no doubt, created a shock wave of scandal in the royal household. It appears to have been a quite open affair but one which would
  
  Leven
  Katherine (ook geschreven als Katharine, Catherine, etc.) was de dochter van Payne (of Paen) de Roet (ook genoemd als Rouet of Roelt), een Vlaamse heraut afkomstig uit Henegouwen.
  
  Rond het jaar 1366
  
  === ROYALTY FOR COMMONERS, P.1; SORLEY'S PED ===
  ROYALTY FOR COMMONERS, P.1; SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 SO68) P.49; ANCESTRAL FILE, LDS GENEALOGICAL SOCEITY;
  
  === Payne de Roet's wife's name is unknown ===
  
  Having checked several printed sources andthe general internet for information on the mother of Philippa and Catherine de Roet and/or the wife of Payne de Roet, I have found nothing on her identity. The only sources for Catherine of Hainault being that person are several WorldConnect data bases-and they do not indicate a source. That does not mean thatthey are wrong.
  
  One point in favor of a connection between the Roet's Catherine of Hainault (sister of Edward III's consort Queen Philippa) is that the Payne, Philippa, and Catherine Roet were at one time or another in Queen Philippa's household.
  
  === !BIR-MAR: Bk, Medieval Knight by Stephen ===
  !BIR-MAR: Bk, Medieval Knight by Stephen Turnbull.
  
  === MOTHER IS NOT CATHERINE D’AVESNES ===
  Why are people on this app so insistent upon adding Catherine d’Avesnes as mother of Catherine de Roet. It concerns me that someone so well documented as Catherine, 1st Duchess of Lancaster, keeps attracting on this app false information; what are people here doing to more obscure persons if they can’t even get this one right, which is: the mother of Catherine de Roet is unknown. We may never know—leave it at that. Two points of easy verification: the ancestry pedigree on Wikipedia shows no mother for Catherine; the bio on her mentions no mother and neither does that of her father; moreover, the bios of this purported mother show no children listed with the name Catherine. Were this Catherine d’Avesnes the mother of Catherine de Roet, the marriage to John of Gaunt would not have created such a stir, for it would have made de Roet a relation of Queen Philippa, John’s mother (which then would have created another stir about which we surely would have read: violation of church laws of consanguinity). I’ve deleted this mother several times, but for whatever reason my app keeps deleting the father, not the mother. May someone else delete her. . .
  
  === Katherine Swynford, Duchess of Lancaster ===
  Katherine Swynford, Duchess of Lancaster (born Katherine de Roet, c. 1350 – 10 May 1403), also spelled Katharine or Catherine,[2] was the third wife of John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster, a son of King Edward III. She had been the Duke's lover for many years before their marriage. The couple's children, born before the marriage, were later legitimised during the reign of the Duke's nephew, Richard II. When the Duke's son from his first marriage overthrew Richard, becoming Henry IV, he introduced a provision[citation needed] that neither they nor their descendants could ever claim the throne of England; however, the legitimacy for all rights was a parliamentary statute that Henry IV lacked the authority to amend.
  
  Their descendants were members of the Beaufort family, which played a major role in the Wars of the Roses. Henry VII, who became King of England in 1485, derived his claim to the throne from his mother, Margaret Beaufort, who was a great-granddaughter of Gaunt and Swynford. His legal claim to the throne, therefore, was through a cognatic and previously illegitimate line. Henry's first action was to declare himself king "by right of conquest" retroactively from 21 August 1485, the day before his army defeated King Richard III at the Battle of Bosworth.[3]
  
  ROYALTY FOR COMMONERS, P.1; SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 SO68) P.49; ANCESTRAL FILE, LDS GENEALOGICAL SOCEITY;
  
  Having checked several printed sources andthe general internet for information on the mother of Philippa and Catherine de Roet and/or the wife of Payne de Roet, I have found nothing on her identity. The only sources for Catherine of Hainault being that person are several WorldConnect data bases-and they do not indicate a source. That does not mean thatthey are wrong.
  
  One point in favor of a connection between the Roet's Catherine of Hainault (sister of Edward III's consort Queen Philippa) is that the Payne, Philippa, and Catherine Roet were at one time or another in Queen Philippa's household.
  
  !BIR-MAR: Bk, Medieval Knight by Stephen Turnbull.
  
  last of known line
  
  Why are people on this app so insistent upon adding Catherine d’Avesnes as mother of Catherine de Roet. It concerns me that someone so well documented as Catherine, 1st Duchess of Lancaster, keeps attracting on this app false information; what are people here doing to more obscure persons if they can’t even get this one right, which is: the mother of Catherine de Roet is unknown. We may never know—leave it at that. Two points of easy verification: the ancestry pedigree on Wikipedia shows no mother for Catherine; the bio on her mentions no mother and neither does that of her father; moreover, the bios of this purported mother show no children listed with the name Catherine. Were this Catherine d’Avesnes the mother of Catherine de Roet, the marriage to John of Gaunt would not have created such a stir, for it would have made de Roet a relation of Queen Philippa, John’s mother (which then would have created another stir about which we surely would have read: violation of church laws of consanguinity). I’ve deleted this mother several times, but for whatever reason my app keeps deleting the father, not the mother. May someone else delete her. . .
  
  LDS Ordinances found in IGI.
  
  Katherine continued as governess and her and John fell in love. This, no doubt, created a shock wave of scandal in the royal household. It appears to have been a quite open affair but one which would have placed Katherine in a very difficult position in society. It was a huge scandal. She was described thus by the chroniclers of St Albans and St Mary’s Abbey York
  ‘that unspeakable concubine, that witch, that whore, that enchantress’
  
  But John stood alongside her and the children, each given the surname Beaufort, after one of Prince Johns French estates in Champagne. She must have been a woman of considerable strength because through it all and she must have been shunned by many, she maintained the Swynford estates, continued to care for Blanche’s children and take care of her own.
  
  Then it all went horribly wrong
  The nation was thrown into political upheaval when Edward the Black Prince died, closely followed by King Edward III. John was left, all but regent to Richard his nephew. Prior to his fathers death, John had taken on a forceful position in government and made many enemies. The ordinary people too, made him the brunt of their grievances. John was routed by the mob who eventually destroyed his London property Savoy House and caused him and his family, including Katherine, to flee. Their affair seems to have become more discreet following this and little is known of this period.
  
  When Constance died in 1394, John turned to Katherine
  
  John asked the Pope to allow them to marry and asked that their children be legitimized. He did not need to do this and surely tells of the love affair that went deep and true. The King recognized Katherine’s children and was very kind to Katherine throughout. They appear to have lived very happily together until Johns death in 1399. Their children made good marriages and Katherine Swynford’s descendants became the Beauforts who were behind the Lancastrian claim in the War of the Roses against their Yorkist cousins. It was through them that (the Tudor) King Henry VII made his claim to the throne.
  
  Katherine was loved by her children and her step children
  King Henry IV, son of Blanche was very fond of Katherine and paid her the deepest honour by calling her, the “Kings mother”. He was very young when Blanche died and with the kindness she showed all the children and the respect which his father paid her, makes her a genuinely regal lady.
  
  After John’s death she returned to Lincoln and lived in a house close by the cathedral until she died in May 1403. Her tomb has lost its adornments and there is little to remind us of her rather wonderful life and the foundations she set in place for England’s future dynasties.
  
  SOURCE: Intriguing women of the Middle Ages...
  
  ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM ARTICLE:
  "Katherine Swynford, the love of Prince John of Gaunt's life?"
  
  Katherine Swynford, another one of those intriguing medieval woman to explore, she was a daughter of Payne Roët of Guienne in France, who was born about 1310. He was a knight and herald from Hainaut who fought in the 100 years war and when King Edward III of England married Philippa of Hainault, he became part of the court scene. Little did he realize at this time that one of his daughters would become the mother of some of the most influential nobles in 14th century England and have a descendant an English king.
  
  Katherine and her sister Philippa, were placed in the court household of Queen Philippa. The Queen herself had thirteen children and Katherine and Philippa Roët would have been taken in as companions to the royal children. Such a placement in a royal household was generally a good thing, a way of ensuring advancement in young adulthood.
  
  Katherine Swynford grew up around the royal princes, Prince Edward and Prince John. The court would have been a hothouse of debate and gossip. Both sisters therefore would have learned very early on how to behave in such society and the expectations placed upon them. The royal household made the young girls marriage arrangements. Katherine was married to Sir Hugh Swynford from Lincoln and Philippa was placed in an interesting marriage with the poet and writer Geoffrey Chaucer. Geoffrey Chaucer was born into a wealthy merchant family and mixed with nobles in London. He was the friend of John Gower, poet laureate to King Richard II and involved himself with politics of the day. Their marriage became a complicated affair.
  
  There is nothing to suggest Katherine had anything but a happy marriage to Sir Swynford. The two were servants to the royal household, Sir Hugh serving the King at arms and Katherine went to serve in the household of Blanche of Lancaster, wife of Prince John, known as John of Gaunt. Both John and Blanche were members of the Plantagenet Royal family. John being the third surviving son of Edward III & Philippa.Her father was Henry of Lancaster, her mother Isabel Beaumont. They were married at Reading Abbey at a joyous occasion. She was reported to be extremely beautiful and the match between her and John deemed a strong and secure one. They had their family and Katherine Swynford acted as governess to their daughters.
  
  Blanche and Katherine had grown up together and knew each other as contemporaries but still a massive gulf in status separated them. Theirs appeared to have been a happy household, the relationship between Katherine and Philippa was close and all three women would have enjoyed each others company.
  
  The household of Katherine Swynford was about to change
  The household suffered terribly when, in 1368, at the age of just twenty three years old, Blanche died, whether in child birth is not certain. She had had seven children and Prince John was devastated. Geoffrey Chaucer wrote his first poem, ‘The Book of the Duchess’ in honour of her.
  
  I wonder greatly, by this day’s light, How I still live, for day and night, The sleep I gain is well nigh naught
  
  With the loss of her mistress to bear, Katherine also lost her husband, Sir Hugh. As a widow, Katherine now had certain rights but she relied upon the King and also Prince John for support, which they freely gave as long as she did not remarry without their permission. In 1371, John made a political marriage with the Infanta Constance of Castille.
  
  Katherine continued as governess and her and John fell in love. This, no doubt, created a shock wave of scandal in the royal household. It appears to have been a quite open affair but one which would have placed Katherine in a very difficult position in society. It was a huge scandal. She was described thus by the chroniclers of St Albans and St Mary’s Abbey York

• m. 13 JAN 1396 in Lincolnshire, England

1. Joan Beaufort Countess of Westmorland, b. 29 JAN 1379 in Kettlethorpe, Lincolnshire, England     d. 13 NOV 1440 in Howden, Humberside, East Riding, Yorkshire, England
2. John de Beaufort 1st Earl of Somerset, b. 1373 in Goudet, Haute-Loire, Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes, France     d. 16 MAR 1410 in Precinct of St Katherine, Middlesex, England

• m. MAY 1366 in St. Clements Danes, Westminster, Middlesex, England

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    Note: Katherine de Roet Swynford BIRTH 25 Nov 1350 Hainaut, Belgium DEATH 10 May 1403 (aged 52) Lincoln, City of Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England BURIAL Lincoln Cathedral Lincoln, City of Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England PLOT Near high altar; Daughter Joan Beaufort Neville is buried there as well. MEMORIAL ID 20205 She was married to a knight, Hugh Swynford. After his death, Katherine was the mistress and true love of John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster. He married Katherine after Constance died to legitimize their relationship and provide for their children. Parents: Paon de Roët (unknown–1380)
    
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