John Savage I

• Preferred Name: John Savage I^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5]}
  
• Gender: M
  
• Christening: in Clifton, Cheshire, England at LATI: N3.3139 LONG: E2.7161
  
• Death: 1386 in Clifton, Cheshire, England at LATI: N3.3139 LONG: E2.7161
  
• FSID: GDZR-BLJ
  
• Posted+originally+by+Mack+Slye+under+Sir+John+Savage+II: with note: Description: Find a grave #143822831 Metropolitan Borough of Stockport Ask Mask Slye.
  
• Birth: 1331 in Cheadle, Cheshire, England at LATI: N3.4 LONG: E2.2167
  
• Burial: 1386 in St. Michael and All Angels Church, Macclesfield, Cheshire, England at LATI: N3.2603 LONG: E2.1245
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Savage,_KG
  
  • Background Information. Through his marriage John Savage seems to have succeeded to the royal favour granted to his father-in-law, Sir Thomas Danyer, for in 1397 Henry III appointed him bailiff of the Royal Forest of Macclesfield. Although Clifton long remained the home of the Savages, they had close ties with Macclesfield and Congleton, and are buried in the Parish Church at Macclesfield.
  
  The first Sir John Savage died in 1386.
  
  718 Sir John Savage, of Stainesby, Knight, was living in 49 Edward II (1375/76). He married Margaret, daughter and heiress of Sir Thomas Danyers (Daniers/Daniels) Knight, de Bradley. By this marriage, Clifton, Cheshire, came into the possession of the Savage family.
  
  The manor of Chedle belonged to a family of that name in the 12th century. A grandson of the possessor, Sir Roger, left two daughters, one who was named Clemence. Clemence married William de Bagaly, and they had a daughter named Isabel. Isabel married Thomas Danyers. Their daughter married, about 49 Edward III, John Savage as her second husband. Clemence, one of the co-heiresses of Sir Roger de Chedle, had Slifton and divers lands in Chedle by inheritance, which descended to his grand daughter Margaret and John Savage in the right of his wife, he became Lord of Chedle.
  
  Children of Sir John and Margaret Danyers were along with comparision to the Savage entries in Boyer's The Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell. 721: • John Savage, son and heir of William Savage, Boyer agrees with this placing, p. 213 • Arthur Savage, whose son was named John and was of Edwall, living 1 Edward IV (Not shown by Boyers or may be Arnuld shown in next generation). • Roger Savage (Boyer's The Medieval Ancestors of Robert Abell places him as the son of the following John Savage, p. 214. • George Savage The Medieval Ancestors of Robert Abell places him as the son of the following John Savage, p. 214. • Petronel Savage, married to Reginald Leigh of Blackbrook, Boyer's The Medieval Ancestors of Robert Abell places her as the daughter of the following John Savage, p. 214. • Elizabeth Savage, married 1st to Sir John Macclesfield, and 2nd to Randle Mainwaring of Carengham, Boyer also places Elizabeth here as well, but he does not identify a husband. • Isabella Savage, who became a nun, shown by Boyer, but he doesn't idetify her as a nun. • Margaret Savage, married to John Dutton, Esquire, 2nd son of Sir Piers Dutton, 6 Henry V, later to be the heir to his father Sir Piers, Boyer says she is a possible daughter of this John Savage. • Dowse Savage, married to Sir Henry Bold, Knight, Boyer's The Medieval Ancestors of Robert Abell calls her Alice and places her as the daughter of the following John Savage, pg 214 • Mary or Maud Savage, married to John Leigh of Boothes, Boyer's The Medieval Ancestors of Robert Abell calls her Maud and places her as the daughter of the following John Savage, p. 214 • Lucy Savage, married to Hamlet Carrington, (Not shown by Boyers) • Ann Savage, married to Charles Noel, Esquire of Dalby (Boyer's The Medieval Ancestors of Robert Abell places her as the daughter of the following John Savage, p. 214) • Eleanor Savage, married to Jofrey Warberton, Esquire of Arley( Not shown by Boyers) • Blanch Savage, married to Thomas Carrington, Esquire, shown by Boyer, but no husband is named. • Dorothy Savage, married to Robert Needham, Esquire of Sherington (Not shown by Boyers)
  
  Sir John Savage, died in 1386 and was succeeded by his eldest son also named Sir John Savage. ~The Ancient and Noble Family of Savage, pg. 15-17 (This work has been discredited due to numerous errors of fact)
  
  ID: I116168
  
  Name: John [I >] de Savage
  
  Sex: M
  
  Birth: ABT 1343 in Cheadle, Cheshire, England
  
  Death: 1386
  
  Father: Sir Robert [>] de Savage b: 1318 in Cheadle, Cheshire, England
  
  Mother: Amicia [>] Walkington b: 1322 in Stainesby, Derbyshire, England
  
  Marriage 1 Margaret [@ >] de Danyers b: 1347 in Cheadle, Cheshire, England
  
  Married: 1365 in Contract, Cheadle, Cheshire, England
  
  Married: 1365 in Chedle, Cheshire, England
  
  Children
  
  Dorothy [@ <] Savage b: ABT 1366 in Clifton, Cheshire, England
  John [II @ >] de Savage b: 1375 in Clifton, Cheshire, England
  Sir John was Esquire of Clifton, Cheshire England. He built Bradshaw Manor during the reign of King Henry. He was the possessor of several houses and in comparison Bradshaw was a very modest building. Sir John Savage, an extremely wealthy man, was engaged in building a magnificent mansion for himself at Clifton, near Frodsham, which when completed in 1568 was named Rocksavage. Unfortunately this hall fell into decay at an early date and the only likeness now remaining is Brereton Hall, built as a replica of Rocksavage by Sir John's son-in-law, Sir William Brereton. Bradshaw Hall thus outlived Rocksavage by almost two centuries. It was in 1877 that Bradshaw Hall was demolished and replaced by the present buildings, and until that date it had stood in somewhat solitary splendour for over 400 years. As was usual with local halls, in its later years it had considerably diminished in size and undergone several transformations in the name of modernisation - only the external shape and the porch with its date-stone recalled its pre-Elizabethan origins.
  
  The Savage family were Lords over half of Cheadle Township.
  
  From: http://www.stepneyrobarts.co.uk/15252.htm
  
  William the Conqueror's nephew, Hugh Lupus, received the County of Chester and most of North Wales, together with other special privileges. He in turn found it expedient to divide the greater part of his possessions amongst his own friends, and Nigell or Niell received the barony of Halton. Nigell had five brothers, though whether they were actually related to him of whether they were merely close friends or retainers is not certain. They were called Odard (or Hudard), Edard, Womere, Horswyne, and Wolfaith. Odard seems to have received the township of Dutton, or Duntune as it was called, and he became known as Hugh de Dutton.
  
  About 100 years later there is a record of the village of Clifton being given to Galfrid or Geoffrey of Dutton, a son of the then Lord of Dutton, by John the Baron and Constable of Chester.In due course this branch of the Dutton family lapsed and the two daughters of Sir Roger de Cheadle were the co-heirs. The elder daughter named Clemence chose Clifton as part of her share of the estate and later married Raufe de Baggiley. Their daughter Isobel married Sir Thomas Danyers of Bradley and Appleton who greatly distinguished himself at the battle of Cressy in 1346 by rescuing the Royal Standard of the Black Prince and also capturing the Chamberlain of France. For this service the Black Prince granted him an annuity charged on his Royal Manor of Frodsham.
  
  Sir Thomas and Lady Isobel had a daughter, Margaret, who married Sir John Savage in 1357. She received as her dowry her mother's lands and lived with her husband at the Old Hall at Clifton. It is possible that it may have been erected as part of the dowry, as there is no mention of it before this time.The name "Clifton" is interesting, and may derive from the fact that the township was founded on a steep rocky slope rising from the flat land that was covered in those days with water - hence Cliff-Town - Clifton.Through his marriage John Savage seems to have succeeded to the royal favour granted to his father-in-law, Sir Thomas Danyer, for in 1397 Henry III appointed him bailiff of the Royal Forest of Macclesfield. Although Clifton long remained the home of the Savages, they had close ties with Macclesfield and Congleton, and are buried in the Parish Church at Macclesfield
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  Sir John served under King Henry in the Battle of Bosworth in England. For his service King Henry gave Sir John lands obtained during this battle. Sir John continued his service to King Henry. When Henry invaded France in the Battle of Bullen John was killed. The Battle was between King Richard and King Henry. King Richard was slain and King Henry the 7th became Tudor king of England. This ushered in the Tudor dynasty which began a new era in English History. (see map) There was a Ballard of Bosworth written and sung by a poet. There was little written word in those days so tales were told by poetry and stories were sung. There is a verse about our grandfather that goes Sir John Savage that hardy knight, deathes dints he delt that day with many a whitehood in fith that sad men were att assay. found at: http://www.stumpranchonline.com/Savage/SavageAncestry.htm

• m. 1365 in Cheadle, Cheshire, England

1. John Savage II, b. 1370 in Clifton, Cheshire, England     d. 1 AUG 1450 in Cheshire, England
2. John Savage, b. ABT 1377 in of Clifton, Cheshire, England    

1. Title: Geni - Sir John Savage, of Stainesby
   Publication: Name: https://www.geni.com/people/Sir-John-Savage-of-Stainesby/6000000005049745686;
   
2. Title: John Savage (1343-1386), Find a Grave (memorial added in 2015)
   Publication: Name: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/143822831/john-savage;
   Note: Sir John Savage BIRTH 1343 Cheadle, Metropolitan Borough of Stockport, Greater Manchester, England DEATH 1386 (aged 42–43) Cheshire, England BURIAL St. Michael's & All Angels Churchyard Macclesfield, Cheshire East Unitary Authority, Cheshire, England MEMORIAL ID 143822831 Sir John was the son of Sir Robert Savage and Amicia de Walkington. He married Margaret Danyers. In 1397 Henry III appointed him bailiff of the Royal Forest of Macclesfield
   
3. Title: The Ancient and Noble Family of Savage
   Author: George Francis Armstrong, published 1888, London, pages 15-25
   Publication: Name: https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Ancient_and_Noble_Family_of_the_Sava/MU5RKM6ekl4C?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover;
   
4. Title: John Savage in Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors
   Author: Citations: 1. [S2739] Unknown author, The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester, by George Ormerod, 1819, p. 526; Lineage and Ancestry of HRH Prince Charles by Paget, Vol. II, p. 417; The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, by Ronny O. Bodine, p. 55. 2. [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 490. 3. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 553. 4. [S13] Worldroots.com. 5. [S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 638.
   Publication: Name: https://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p362.htm#i10869;
   Note: John Savage (1,2,3) Last Edited 4 Apr 2020 M, #10869, d. 1386 Father Sir Robert Savage Mother Amicia Walkington John Savage Was descended from the Savages of Steinesbre, Derbyshire, England. He was born at of Clifton and Chedle, Cheshire, England. He married Margaret Daniell, daughter of Sir Thomas Daniell and Isabel Baggiley, in 1365. (2,3) John Savage died in 1386. Family: Margaret Daniell d. 24 Jun 1428 Children: Sir John Savage, Bailiff of the Forest of Macclesfield, Constable of Halton Castle, Chamberlain of Middlewich+ (5,2,3) b. c 1378, d. 1 Aug 1450
   
5. Title: Wikitree- John Savage
   Author: ↑ https://www.british-history.ac.uk/magna-britannia/vol5/pp172-192 ↑ 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 A. E. Stamp, J. B. W. Chapman, M. C. B. Dawes and D. B. Wardle. "Inquisitions Post Mortem, Edward III, File 215," in Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem: Volume 13, Edward III, (London: Her Majesty's Stationery Office, 1954), 1-17. British History Online, accessed January 22, 2021, http://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol13/pp1-17. ↑ G.F.A. [George Francis Armstrong], editor, The Ancient and Noble Family of the Savages of the Ards with Sketches of English and American Branches of the House of Savage (London: Marcus Ward & Co., 1888) pp. 15-17; Internet Archive (https://archive.org : accessed 24 Jan 2021). et.al.
   Publication: Name: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Savage-475;
   Note: Biography This profile is part of the Savage Name Study. The Savage family held the manor and lands of Stainsby in the parish of Kirk-Hallam, Derbyshire from at least 1206. The manor of Steynesby was held, at the time of taking the Domesday Survey, by Roger de Poitou. In the reign of King John (1199-1216) it was held by the Savage family; in the year 1235, William son of Walkelin de Savage, held it by the annual render of a sore hawk. In 1580/81, a later John Savage conveyed this manor to Lord Chancellor Bromley, by whom, it is probable, it was again conveyed, about the same time as Rowthorn, to Sir William Cavendish and is now the property of the Duke of Devonshire.[1] Birth John was probably born in Stennesby, Derbyshire, England, as he was descended from the Savages of Steinesbie. John was aged 38 years (ie born about 1331) in his mother's IPM of 1370.[2] Erroneous Published Pedigree Armstrong's The Ancient and Noble Family of the Savages, published in 1888,[3] contains numerous errors in its pedigree of the Savages of Cheshire and Derbyshire. It incorrectly records John's parents as Robert Savage and Amicia Walkington. It also incorrectly records the children of John's son, John Savage (d. 1450), as being the children of this John Savage (d. 1386). This error has propagated into numerous online family trees. Parents His father, Roger le Savage, was a notorious felon and outlaw, associated with the Coterel gang.[4][5][6] Roger was dead by 1339.[2] His mother, Isabel, died 10 November 1369. Two inquisition post mortems were held; one at Chesterfield on 11 January 1369/70 and one at Sawley on 23 February 1369/70 (a second writ was presumably issued due to a perceived or actual lack of response to the first). It was determined that she held the manor of Stainsby with her husband, Roger le Savage, who had died 30 years previously (ie about 1339). The heir of Roger and Isabel was their son, John, aged 38 years.[2] Isabel held the manor of Stainsby jointly with husband Roger in fee tail, by service of a sore sparrowhawk annually.[2] Succession to Manor of Stainsby In 44 Edward III (1370 or 1371), John paid his feudal relief in the Court of Exchequer, which entitled him to succeed his mother to the lordship of the manor of Stainsby.[7] Marriage In about 49 Edward III [1375], John Savage married Margaret Daniers.[8] Margaret was the only child and heir of Isabel, the daughter and heir of William Baggily and his wife Clemence Dutton of Chedill, Cheshire.[8] Her father was Sir Thomas Daniers, commonly called Daniel, of Bradley in Appleton.[8] Margaret inherited all her mother Isabel's estate including Clifton and other lands in Chedle and Hulme, and her husband became John Savage of Clifton in right of his wife.[8] Margaret had previously been married to John Ratcliffe in 42 Edward III [1368], with whom she had no children.[8] After her second husband's death, the twice widowed Margaret married Piers Legh of Maxfield, the younger son of Robert Legh of Adlington in November 12 Richard II [1388], who also predeceased her.[8] Children John and Margaret had children: John Savage, heir, living in 4 Henry IV [1402];[8] Elizabeth, living in 4 Henry IV [1402];[8] Blanch, living in 4 Henry IV [1402];[8] and Lucy Savage,[9] living in the reign of Henry VI[8] [1422-1461; 1470-1471]. Problem Children These children are unsourced and appear to actually be the children of his son, John (see additional Research Note): Petronel Savage, see duplicate Parnella (Savage) Leigh (abt.1408-1434) William Savage, see duplicate William Savage (aft.1402-) Isabella Savage, see duplicate Isabel Savage (1409-1480) Margaret Savage, see duplicate Margaret (Savage) Dutton (abt.1403-1463) Roger Savage, see duplicate Roger Savage (aft.1401-) George Savage, see duplicate George Savage (abt.1394-1395) Anne Savage, see duplicate Ann (Savage) Nowell (1407-1434) Eleanor Savage, see duplicate Ellen Savage (1415-) Dorothy Savage, Arthur Savage, should probably be Arnold[8] Maud Savage, see duplicate Maude (Savage) Booth (aft.1401-) Death John Savage of Clifton died in Cheadle, Cheshire, England 10 Richard II [1386].[8]